(12-28-2022 03:27 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(12-28-2022 03:20 PM)green Wrote:  

(12-28-2022 01:25 PM)XLance Wrote:  In the OP reference was made that it was too late on Cincinnati.
I agree that it is too late for any Big 12 team. ESPN and FOX have already decided how they would divvy up the Big 12. Those plans were finalized while Phillips was trying to decide on a Country Club in Charlotte.
That leaves Notre Dame, UConn and what ever schools are left in the AAC, and some unlikely PAC targets as ACC expansion hopefuls.

Because the ACC can't get the whiz bang football school everyone has dreamed of, it would be important to grab two schools that actually "fit" the core ACC profile, so I'll nominate USF and Tulane.

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That's about the same size as Wake Forest.

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Why are people concerned with Yulman?

The Superdome seats nearly 75K. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesars_Superdome

Yuleman is a lot bigger than Miami's or Pitt's on campus football stadium.

ESPN and FOX have divided up the Big 12. FOX gets more basketball, ESPN gets more football. It's doubtful that any school will leave the Big 12 and upset those joint negotiations.
I believe you just have to fact the fact that Big 12 schools are "off the table". Phillips was asleep at the wheel and now we'll just have to make the best of what is left over.
You don't like Tulane, well we can keep everything in the ETZ by substituting Navy for Tulane.

(12-28-2022 03:56 PM)XLance Wrote:  ESPN and FOX have divided up the Big 12. FOX gets more basketball, ESPN gets more football. It's doubtful that any school will leave the Big 12 and upset those joint negotiations.
I believe you just have to fact the fact that Big 12 schools are "off the table". Phillips was asleep at the wheel and now we'll just have to make the best of what is left over.
You don't like Tulane, well we can keep everything in the ETZ by substituting Navy for Tulane.

The efficacy of Tulane is that it brings the ACC into New Orleans and it gives LSU, TAMU, Ole Miss, MSU, Arkansas, Auburn, and Alabama, a reason to play Tulane OOC beyond nostalgia.

I would imagine that a typical year would see 3-4 games in Yulman and 2-3 in the Superdome. WF and Tulane are not going to need the Superdome. Clemson, FSU, UNC, NCSU, VT, ND, would need the seating capacity. In November everyone in BC, Syracuse, and perhaps Louisville would be chaffing at the bit to get to New Orleans.

Who really goes to Tampa to watch a football game? You go for the beach, the weather, Ybor City, Cuban food, etc. Perhaps a side trip to Busch Gardens or God forbid a day trip to Disney.

When you go to Auburn, Penn State, Clemson, VT, Tuscaloosa, etc., you are not in the lap of luxury as if you were visiting a spa - although the Auburn and Clemson, and Bama girls will look better than spa attendants. But you are there for football.

When you go to Pitt, Ohio State, NW, MD, BC, etc., etc., you are visiting real cities.

I like to be able to do something the day before and day after instead of screaming to get out of a two star red rash inn.

(12-28-2022 04:02 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(12-28-2022 03:56 PM)XLance Wrote:  ESPN and FOX have divided up the Big 12. FOX gets more basketball, ESPN gets more football. It's doubtful that any school will leave the Big 12 and upset those joint negotiations.
I believe you just have to fact the fact that Big 12 schools are "off the table". Phillips was asleep at the wheel and now we'll just have to make the best of what is left over.
You don't like Tulane, well we can keep everything in the ETZ by substituting Navy for Tulane.

The efficacy of Tulane is that it brings the ACC into New Orleans and it gives LSU, TAMU, Ole Miss, MSU, Arkansas, Auburn, and Alabama, a reason to play Tulane OOC beyond nostalgia.

We both know that Tulane would be a great add for the ACC.

We need to trade FSU for Vandy and South Carolina, and trade Syracuse for Purdue.
Add USF, Tulane and Navy for 18. The SEC could function very well with only 15.

(12-28-2022 04:23 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(12-28-2022 04:02 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(12-28-2022 03:56 PM)XLance Wrote:  ESPN and FOX have divided up the Big 12. FOX gets more basketball, ESPN gets more football. It's doubtful that any school will leave the Big 12 and upset those joint negotiations.
I believe you just have to fact the fact that Big 12 schools are "off the table". Phillips was asleep at the wheel and now we'll just have to make the best of what is left over.
You don't like Tulane, well we can keep everything in the ETZ by substituting Navy for Tulane.

The efficacy of Tulane is that it brings the ACC into New Orleans and it gives LSU, TAMU, Ole Miss, MSU, Arkansas, Auburn, and Alabama, a reason to play Tulane OOC beyond nostalgia.

We both know that Tulane would be a great add for the ACC.

We need to trade FSU for Vandy and South Carolina, and trade Syracuse for Purdue.
Add USF, Tulane and Navy for 18. The SEC could function very well with only 15.

did someone kidnap XLance ...

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(12-28-2022 04:23 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(12-28-2022 04:02 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(12-28-2022 03:56 PM)XLance Wrote:  ESPN and FOX have divided up the Big 12. FOX gets more basketball, ESPN gets more football. It's doubtful that any school will leave the Big 12 and upset those joint negotiations.
I believe you just have to fact the fact that Big 12 schools are "off the table". Phillips was asleep at the wheel and now we'll just have to make the best of what is left over.
You don't like Tulane, well we can keep everything in the ETZ by substituting Navy for Tulane.

The efficacy of Tulane is that it brings the ACC into New Orleans and it gives LSU, TAMU, Ole Miss, MSU, Arkansas, Auburn, and Alabama, a reason to play Tulane OOC beyond nostalgia.

We both know that Tulane would be a great add for the ACC.

We need to trade FSU for Vandy and South Carolina, and trade Syracuse for Purdue.
Add USF, Tulane and Navy for 18. The SEC could function very well with only 15.

Yes at 15 they can play 3 divisions of 5 and not expand unless they want 18.

On paper Colorado and Kansas are probably toss ups for them. They bring no more money per se, but they allow schools like TAMU, Tennessee, Florida, and Auburn to add winnable games in football. Someone has to play the role of the Washington Generals. Utah would fit if Colorado comes along. So would Arizona, then again so would Ok State, and or TT.

We really need to figure out how to monetize U Toronto and McGill. Once players can organize the exploitation of student labor ceases to be a legal impediment to US style college football in Canada. If there are only a handful of teams playing in the US, that might not collapse the semi-pro league they have for this level.

The Pac 12 really could use U of Alberta, and UBC in my opinion.

Canadian University - American Analog based on academic input and output rankings:

Toronto - Johns Hopkins, Michigan, Washington (AAU members)
BC - Texas, Colorado
McGill - Vandy, U of Southern Cal (AAU members)
Alberta - Utah, Ohio State, Pitt
Calgary - UVa, Rochester

For those always looking at AAU - notice that three Canadian universities are well into the normal range of American AAU members. Any of these is a great addition to the ACC, B10, or P10/12 even if their football and basketball might suck for 20 years. They are great additions because they allow for great trips and they have no expectation of winning unless the sport is hockey.

(12-28-2022 01:25 PM)XLance Wrote:  In the OP reference was made that it was too late on Cincinnati.
I agree that it is too late for any Big 12 team. ESPN and FOX have already decided how they would divvy up the Big 12. Those plans were finalized while Phillips was trying to decide on a Country Club in Charlotte.
That leaves Notre Dame, UConn and what ever schools are left in the AAC, and some unlikely PAC targets as ACC expansion hopefuls.

Because the ACC can't get the whiz bang football school everyone has dreamed of, it would be important to grab two schools that actually "fit" the core ACC profile, so I'll nominate USF and Tulane.

That’s the biggest problem with the conference as it is now. Too many teams that fit the ACC core profile….. small private universities.

(09-30-2022 04:36 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(09-30-2022 02:11 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I'm on record as saying I think Commissioner Phillips has already made a critical mistake in not getting Cincinnati in expansion. If he had kept WVU on an island (and I use past tense even though it may not be too late), that improves his chances of getting what he wants in the future.

That said, there are a number of dominoes yet to fall which will have a huge bearing on the financial future of the ACC, IMO:
- does the Big Ten pull the trigger on more Pac-12 expansion? This could sew up late night/Friday night CFB TV (neutral for the ACC)
- if so, does the Big XII grab the "corner 4"? If so, it probably makes the Big XII "unpoachable" for the ACC (worst-case scenario?).
- does ESPN get a portion of the Big XII and/or Pac-10 (if it still exists), or are they shut out? If ESPN ends up being shut out (possible), it makes the ACC inventory suddenly more valuable, IMO (best case scenario?).
- if ESPN does get a chunk of the Big XII, how cheaply do they get it? They would be less interested in working with the ACC if they have an alternative - especially a cheap one (very bad for the ACC).

Thoughts? I'm probably missing and/or oversimplifying here.

HokieMark,

What if the BIG decides not to add more Pac teams? I actually think it’s more likely that the BIG will not expand.

This is where I think each conference stands now:

SEC: no plan to add

BIG: considering UO/UW/Stanford

ACC: waiting for BIG’s decision. If the BIG doesn’t move, the ACC may move to add Pac schools

PAC: waiting for BIG’s and ACC’s decisions. If the BIG and the ACC don’t move, the Pac will sign the short term media deal.

B12: waiting for BIG’s and ACC’s decisions. If enough number of Pac schools leave for the BIG/ACC, the B12 would try to kill off the Pac

I think the ACC is still in the game.

As I said, BIG didn’t move. Phillips better approach OU and UW.

(12-28-2022 04:31 PM)green Wrote:  

(12-28-2022 04:23 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(12-28-2022 04:02 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(12-28-2022 03:56 PM)XLance Wrote:  ESPN and FOX have divided up the Big 12. FOX gets more basketball, ESPN gets more football. It's doubtful that any school will leave the Big 12 and upset those joint negotiations.
I believe you just have to fact the fact that Big 12 schools are "off the table". Phillips was asleep at the wheel and now we'll just have to make the best of what is left over.
You don't like Tulane, well we can keep everything in the ETZ by substituting Navy for Tulane.

The efficacy of Tulane is that it brings the ACC into New Orleans and it gives LSU, TAMU, Ole Miss, MSU, Arkansas, Auburn, and Alabama, a reason to play Tulane OOC beyond nostalgia.

We both know that Tulane would be a great add for the ACC.

We need to trade FSU for Vandy and South Carolina, and trade Syracuse for Purdue.
Add USF, Tulane and Navy for 18. The SEC could function very well with only 15.

did someone kidnap XLance ...

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XLance is actually a reptilian alien from the center of the Earth who has come to the surface to overthrow the ACC, which is the only conference which poses a threat to their master plan...

(12-28-2022 05:28 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(12-28-2022 01:25 PM)XLance Wrote:  In the OP reference was made that it was too late on Cincinnati.
I agree that it is too late for any Big 12 team. ESPN and FOX have already decided how they would divvy up the Big 12. Those plans were finalized while Phillips was trying to decide on a Country Club in Charlotte.
That leaves Notre Dame, UConn and what ever schools are left in the AAC, and some unlikely PAC targets as ACC expansion hopefuls.

Because the ACC can't get the whiz bang football school everyone has dreamed of, it would be important to grab two schools that actually "fit" the core ACC profile, so I'll nominate USF and Tulane.

That’s the biggest problem with the conference as it is now. Too many teams that fit the ACC core profile….. small private universities.

Some might say that the real ACC problem was dropping its standards to replace MD.

I'm not saying that. But some might say that.

(12-28-2022 06:46 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(12-28-2022 05:28 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(12-28-2022 01:25 PM)XLance Wrote:  In the OP reference was made that it was too late on Cincinnati.
I agree that it is too late for any Big 12 team. ESPN and FOX have already decided how they would divvy up the Big 12. Those plans were finalized while Phillips was trying to decide on a Country Club in Charlotte.
That leaves Notre Dame, UConn and what ever schools are left in the AAC, and some unlikely PAC targets as ACC expansion hopefuls.

Because the ACC can't get the whiz bang football school everyone has dreamed of, it would be important to grab two schools that actually "fit" the core ACC profile, so I'll nominate USF and Tulane.

That’s the biggest problem with the conference as it is now. Too many teams that fit the ACC core profile….. small private universities.

Some might say that the real ACC problem was dropping its standards to replace MD.

I'm not saying that. But some might say that.

Some might be full of boloney, too.

(12-28-2022 06:46 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(12-28-2022 05:28 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(12-28-2022 01:25 PM)XLance Wrote:  In the OP reference was made that it was too late on Cincinnati.
I agree that it is too late for any Big 12 team. ESPN and FOX have already decided how they would divvy up the Big 12. Those plans were finalized while Phillips was trying to decide on a Country Club in Charlotte.
That leaves Notre Dame, UConn and what ever schools are left in the AAC, and some unlikely PAC targets as ACC expansion hopefuls.

Because the ACC can't get the whiz bang football school everyone has dreamed of, it would be important to grab two schools that actually "fit" the core ACC profile, so I'll nominate USF and Tulane.

That’s the biggest problem with the conference as it is now. Too many teams that fit the ACC core profile….. small private universities.

Some might say that the real ACC problem was dropping its standards to replace MD.

I'm not saying that. But some might say that.

Personally I wish they hadn’t but that’s just me.

"reptilian alien"?

I remember that in 1990, UVa was the #1 ranked football team in the country for most of the year. Once tied Georgia Tech (13-13 in Chapel Hill) ended up beating UVa to win the conference title and to share the National Title with Colorado. This was before Florida State was in the league.

The conference is stuck in a fork in the road.
To simplify, we can either chase the P2, be the best of the little P's, or whither.

Realistically, I don't think we have a prayer to chase the P2 and I for one am not ready to sell out or to dry up and blow away.

“Reptilian alien” might be a reference to David Icke, few people will get the reference, but I’m sure all the reptilians got it.

(12-28-2022 08:43 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(12-28-2022 06:46 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  

(12-28-2022 05:28 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(12-28-2022 01:25 PM)XLance Wrote:  In the OP reference was made that it was too late on Cincinnati.
I agree that it is too late for any Big 12 team. ESPN and FOX have already decided how they would divvy up the Big 12. Those plans were finalized while Phillips was trying to decide on a Country Club in Charlotte.
That leaves Notre Dame, UConn and what ever schools are left in the AAC, and some unlikely PAC targets as ACC expansion hopefuls.

Because the ACC can't get the whiz bang football school everyone has dreamed of, it would be important to grab two schools that actually "fit" the core ACC profile, so I'll nominate USF and Tulane.

That’s the biggest problem with the conference as it is now. Too many teams that fit the ACC core profile….. small private universities.

Some might say that the real ACC problem was dropping its standards to replace MD.

I'm not saying that. But some might say that.

Personally I wish they hadn’t but that’s just me.

Would that mean Louisville would have improved their academic ratings before entering the league?

(12-29-2022 06:08 AM)XLance Wrote:  "reptilian alien"?

I remember that in 1990, UVa was the #1 ranked football team in the country for most of the year. Once tied Georgia Tech (13-13 in Chapel Hill) ended up beating UVa to win the conference title and to share the National Title with Colorado. This was before Florida State was in the league.

The conference is stuck in a fork in the road.
To simplify, we can either chase the P2, be the best of the little P's, or whither.

Realistically, I don't think we have a prayer to chase the P2 and I for one am not ready to sell out or to dry up and blow away.

Attacks by Gamilons no doubt.

(12-29-2022 06:08 AM)XLance Wrote:  "reptilian alien"?

I remember that in 1990, UVa was the #1 ranked football team in the country for most of the year. Once tied Georgia Tech (13-13 in Chapel Hill) ended up beating UVa to win the conference title and to share the National Title with Colorado. This was before Florida State was in the league.

The conference is stuck in a fork in the road.
To simplify, we can either chase the P2, be the best of the little P's, or whither.

Realistically, I don't think we have a prayer to chase the P2 and I for one am not ready to sell out or to dry up and blow away.

Yes, the addition of FSU stunted the football programs at UVa, UNC, and NC State.

Here is what a decade of FSU did for the ACC:

92 - Costs NC State ACC Title and Orange or Sugar Bowl
93 - Costs UNC ACC Title and Orange or Sugar Bowl
94 - Costs NC State ACC Title and costs UVa a major bowl
96 - Costs UNC the ACC Title and Orange Bowl
97 - Costs UNC the ACC Title and National Championship Game
98 - Costs GT the ACC Title and Orange Bowl
00 - Costs Clemson ACC Title
01 - Costs Maryland National Championship Game

None of this means FSU did not earn what it won - it did. But adding the number one program in the nation to the ACC in 92 had devastating results on NC State, UNC, UVa, GT, Clemson, and MD.

As Clemson in 81 and GT in 90 clearly proved facing a top 5 program in a bowl game with everything on the line clearly showed that the ACC schools could rise to the occasion UNLESS they were being forced to play the undisputed, unrivaled number one or two.

Adding FSU probably cost UNC the national title in 97. I don't think MD had the horses in 01.