(09-26-2022 11:27 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  So outside of an internal hire, who should be on our radar? Id rather not over pay... 800k is much easier to wash yourself of than 1.2 million. And thats still tops in the league.

I like Sean Lewis. We could pay him much better than Kent. But hes a BG guy at heart. Which OCs or DCs at P5 are midwest minded and would take a paycut? If Miami was going to pay Candle 2 mil, im not sure there is a guy who is successful at the P5 that Toledo would be a pay jump??

Christian Smith is the DC at South Dakota state and has a studly D. But an FCS coordinator probably needs to coach first. What about NDSUs coach? What about Heacock at ISU? I dont see a glaring home run.
Which makes me think Candles salary is the problem... not the product. Pay him median MAC sallary and he is by far the best coach in the league for the buck.

Brian Hartline (coordinator and WR coach at O$U)… - great recruiter !!
He would make less here, but if you are going to start out as a coach in the Midwest and outside of the big ten, Toledo would be a great place to take over a G5 program…

(09-26-2022 12:07 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 11:27 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  So outside of an internal hire, who should be on our radar? Id rather not over pay... 800k is much easier to wash yourself of than 1.2 million. And thats still tops in the league.

I like Sean Lewis. We could pay him much better than Kent. But hes a BG guy at heart. Which OCs or DCs at P5 are midwest minded and would take a paycut? If Miami was going to pay Candle 2 mil, im not sure there is a guy who is successful at the P5 that Toledo would be a pay jump??

Christian Smith is the DC at South Dakota state and has a studly D. But an FCS coordinator probably needs to coach first. What about NDSUs coach? What about Heacock at ISU? I dont see a glaring home run.
Which makes me think Candles salary is the problem... not the product. Pay him median MAC sallary and he is by far the best coach in the league for the buck.

Brian Hartline (coordinator and WR coach at O$U)… - great recruiter !!
He would make less here, but if you are going to start out as a coach in the Midwest and outside of the big ten, Toledo would be a great place to take over a G5 program…

Current salary $950,000.

(09-26-2022 12:07 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 11:27 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  So outside of an internal hire, who should be on our radar? Id rather not over pay... 800k is much easier to wash yourself of than 1.2 million. And thats still tops in the league.

I like Sean Lewis. We could pay him much better than Kent. But hes a BG guy at heart. Which OCs or DCs at P5 are midwest minded and would take a paycut? If Miami was going to pay Candle 2 mil, im not sure there is a guy who is successful at the P5 that Toledo would be a pay jump??

Christian Smith is the DC at South Dakota state and has a studly D. But an FCS coordinator probably needs to coach first. What about NDSUs coach? What about Heacock at ISU? I dont see a glaring home run.
Which makes me think Candles salary is the problem... not the product. Pay him median MAC sallary and he is by far the best coach in the league for the buck.

Brian Hartline (coordinator and WR coach at O$U)… - great recruiter !!
He would make less here, but if you are going to start out as a coach in the Midwest and outside of the big ten, Toledo would be a great place to take over a G5 program…

If we’re at Ohio State in Brian’s shoes. I do not believe I’d leave that job.
I get the feeling he’s got his dream job

(09-26-2022 01:01 PM)Babes boy Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 12:07 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 11:27 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  So outside of an internal hire, who should be on our radar? Id rather not over pay... 800k is much easier to wash yourself of than 1.2 million. And thats still tops in the league.

I like Sean Lewis. We could pay him much better than Kent. But hes a BG guy at heart. Which OCs or DCs at P5 are midwest minded and would take a paycut? If Miami was going to pay Candle 2 mil, im not sure there is a guy who is successful at the P5 that Toledo would be a pay jump??

Christian Smith is the DC at South Dakota state and has a studly D. But an FCS coordinator probably needs to coach first. What about NDSUs coach? What about Heacock at ISU? I dont see a glaring home run.
Which makes me think Candles salary is the problem... not the product. Pay him median MAC sallary and he is by far the best coach in the league for the buck.

Brian Hartline (coordinator and WR coach at O$U)… - great recruiter !!
He would make less here, but if you are going to start out as a coach in the Midwest and outside of the big ten, Toledo would be a great place to take over a G5 program…

If we’re at Ohio State in Brian’s shoes. I do not believe I’d leave that job.
I get the feeling he’s got his dream job

Being on the staff at O$U is a great gig, but would hardly categorize that as his dream job … Hartline makes $950,000, about what Toledo could and should offer him… Has to start somewhere, right ??
Besides if R. Day would leave, I’m sure there are probably well over two dozen coaches and well thought of P5 assistants across the country that would be lined up for the HC job there by Gene Smith….

Hartline or Frye from OSU would be great hires, but they are probably both positioning themselves for possible P5 HC jobs in the not too distant future, so unlikely you could hire them for UT. Even someone like Golesh who is now OC at Tennessee could be interesting, but he's making Candle HC money down there now, so why would he come to the real UT? And my favorite former Rocket coordinator has always been Jim Harding, but again he's already making in the million range, and probably is firmly planted out west.

If you want a P5 coach, you probably have to go with a position coach. There are many who have NFL experience as well as P5 experience, but you never know whether someone like that has the needed skills to be a HC (very different skill set to run a program, compared to being a coordinator or to being a position coach.) Or, you go with a G5 coordinator, or a FCS/DII HC. Kent certainly hit a home run with Lewis, who was I think TE coach at Syracuse if I am not mistaken. Can UT find someone similar?

I wonder about someone like Eli Rasheed (Campbell's DL coach) or Lou Ayeni (now RB coach at Northwestern) if you want to look at folks with former Toledo connections. No clue whether they would make good HC's but they've done well as assistants. Tom Manning I think is attached at the hip to Campbell since he abandoned his shot at the NFL to go back to Ames. Chris Dukes is CB coach at YSU (who held Kentucky to about the same passing yards as NIU did) but has not enough experience to hire as anything more than a similar position coach in FBS I wouldn't think. Phillip Ely is QB coach at McNeese State, but not even sure how good a QB coach he is yet, let alone anything bigger. Christian Smith might be a potential name for a DC, as SDSU (Dakota) has a very strong run defense, and he's the DL coach/defensive run game coordinator.

Sorry, don't have any good ideas.

Looking at this page:

https://www.on3.com/news/2022-rising-sta...ch-series/

How about Darren Paige? From Rossford, now a Cinci assistant.

(09-26-2022 04:54 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  Looking at this page:

https://www.on3.com/news/2022-rising-sta...ch-series/

How about Darren Paige? From Rossford, now a Cinci assistant.

I was very impressed with Kittley. Saw his Offense take apart App St in person at last year's Boca Raton Bowl
As Texas Tech OC his salary is $2.2 mil.

As I said in another thread, we'd be crazy to pay over $500K. The athletic department and UT don't have the cash. If a new coach does well, he's gone no matter what we pay him. We haven't exactly done great with the highest paid coach in the MAC.

Vince Marrow, ex- Rocket and currently at Kentucky would be a great choice. Phil Parker current DC at Iowa. He was a long time secondary coach at Toledo during the Saban and Pinkle eras.

As anyone can see, assistant coaches at P5 schools make a lot of money. I agreed, if you want had coaching experience, come to UT and make less. Prove yourself at this level and then leave if you want.

(09-26-2022 11:45 AM)falconplucker Wrote:  Maybe a good offensive or defensive coordinator from the Sun Belt. Something new.

I like the Hartline idea but this is good too for recruiting. I'd lean defense. Would they adjust to up here? Easier to move south than north. I can't think of a lot that have done it. Actually, I can't think of any but that has to do with my lack of knowledge (I hope).

(09-26-2022 08:45 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 11:45 AM)falconplucker Wrote:  Maybe a good offensive or defensive coordinator from the Sun Belt. Something new.

I like the Hartline idea but this is good too for recruiting. I'd lean defense. Would they adjust to up here? Easier to move south than north. I can't think of a lot that have done it. Actually, I can't think of any but that has to do with my lack of knowledge (I hope).

I thought the Hartline idea was excellent also. I was just trying to think of a different spin. Toledo is always trying to recruit areas of the South. Why not get a coach from down there? It can't be impossible. Urban jerk Myer was able to recruit to BG, Utah, and Florida. As long as you can connect to local football as well, why not? I don't know off the top of my head of any Sun Belt coaches coming north. There have been a few SEC coaches going to the Big 12 and Pac 12 recently. Mel Tucker, although from Cleveland, was at DC at Alabama, before going to Colorado and then Michigan State. That's why I would like to see a completely open process. Just going straight in-house all of the time limits the possibilities. Now that is said that, I am sure Candle goes undefeated the rest of the season.

(09-26-2022 07:45 PM)BDV27 Wrote:  Vince Marrow, ex- Rocket and currently at Kentucky would be a great choice. Phil Parker current DC at Iowa. He was a long time secondary coach at Toledo during the Saban and Pinkle eras.

No Vince please.

Also Vince's 2022 salary $1.1 million.

(09-26-2022 01:26 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 01:01 PM)Babes boy Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 12:07 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 11:27 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  So outside of an internal hire, who should be on our radar? Id rather not over pay... 800k is much easier to wash yourself of than 1.2 million. And thats still tops in the league.

I like Sean Lewis. We could pay him much better than Kent. But hes a BG guy at heart. Which OCs or DCs at P5 are midwest minded and would take a paycut? If Miami was going to pay Candle 2 mil, im not sure there is a guy who is successful at the P5 that Toledo would be a pay jump??

Christian Smith is the DC at South Dakota state and has a studly D. But an FCS coordinator probably needs to coach first. What about NDSUs coach? What about Heacock at ISU? I dont see a glaring home run.
Which makes me think Candles salary is the problem... not the product. Pay him median MAC sallary and he is by far the best coach in the league for the buck.

Brian Hartline (coordinator and WR coach at O$U)… - great recruiter !!
He would make less here, but if you are going to start out as a coach in the Midwest and outside of the big ten, Toledo would be a great place to take over a G5 program…

If we’re at Ohio State in Brian’s shoes. I do not believe I’d leave that job.
I get the feeling he’s got his dream job

Being on the staff at O$U is a great gig, but would hardly categorize that as his dream job … Hartline makes $950,000, about what Toledo could and should offer him… Has to start somewhere, right ??
Besides if R. Day would leave, I’m sure there are probably well over two dozen coaches and well thought of P5 assistants across the country that would be lined up for the HC job there by Gene Smith….

Well if anyone would look back. I don’t remember where or when. I suggested Hartline. Probably last year’s candle beat down.

See if Urban Meyer wants to start over again…

(09-26-2022 11:18 PM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  See if Urban Meyer wants to start over again…

SO many opening for jokes but I remember two things about the guy. How he shows for Toledo charities and how he raised the educational expectations of his players. So I'll give him a pass. Ok one. Alexis Rd should see more traffic. ba da boom.

(09-26-2022 11:06 PM)Babes boy Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 01:26 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 01:01 PM)Babes boy Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 12:07 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 11:27 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  So outside of an internal hire, who should be on our radar? Id rather not over pay... 800k is much easier to wash yourself of than 1.2 million. And thats still tops in the league.

I like Sean Lewis. We could pay him much better than Kent. But hes a BG guy at heart. Which OCs or DCs at P5 are midwest minded and would take a paycut? If Miami was going to pay Candle 2 mil, im not sure there is a guy who is successful at the P5 that Toledo would be a pay jump??

Christian Smith is the DC at South Dakota state and has a studly D. But an FCS coordinator probably needs to coach first. What about NDSUs coach? What about Heacock at ISU? I dont see a glaring home run.
Which makes me think Candles salary is the problem... not the product. Pay him median MAC sallary and he is by far the best coach in the league for the buck.

Brian Hartline (coordinator and WR coach at O$U)… - great recruiter !!
He would make less here, but if you are going to start out as a coach in the Midwest and outside of the big ten, Toledo would be a great place to take over a G5 program…

If we’re at Ohio State in Brian’s shoes. I do not believe I’d leave that job.
I get the feeling he’s got his dream job

Being on the staff at O$U is a great gig, but would hardly categorize that as his dream job … Hartline makes $950,000, about what Toledo could and should offer him… Has to start somewhere, right ??
Besides if R. Day would leave, I’m sure there are probably well over two dozen coaches and well thought of P5 assistants across the country that would be lined up for the HC job there by Gene Smith….

Well if anyone would look back. I don’t remember where or when. I suggested Hartline. Probably last year’s candle beat down.

It will just be a pipe dream - as it has been for awhile once he started getting national attention for the job he was doing. He's not going to remove himself from the big time program at OSU just to get a head coaching job in a conference that is dying on the vine. Yeah, we'd love to have him and he would probably do a great job. But I think he stays at Ohio State long term. Young kids, young guy and making a ton of money while being regarded as the best in the business at what he does. May not be a priority for him to be a head coach at this time. But, enough money at the right program could do it. Just don't think Toledo will ever fit the bill for him.

(09-26-2022 11:18 PM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  See if Urban Meyer wants to start over again…

(09-26-2022 09:37 PM)falconplucker Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 08:45 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 11:45 AM)falconplucker Wrote:  Maybe a good offensive or defensive coordinator from the Sun Belt. Something new.

I like the Hartline idea but this is good too for recruiting. I'd lean defense. Would they adjust to up here? Easier to move south than north. I can't think of a lot that have done it. Actually, I can't think of any but that has to do with my lack of knowledge (I hope).

I thought the Hartline idea was excellent also. I was just trying to think of a different spin. Toledo is always trying to recruit areas of the South. Why not get a coach from down there? It can't be impossible. Urban jerk Myer was able to recruit to BG, Utah, and Florida. As long as you can connect to local football as well, why not? I don't know off the top of my head of any Sun Belt coaches coming north. There have been a few SEC coaches going to the Big 12 and Pac 12 recently. Mel Tucker, although from Cleveland, was at DC at Alabama, before going to Colorado and then Michigan State. That's why I would like to see a completely open process. Just going straight in-house all of the time limits the possibilities. Now that is said that, I am sure Candle goes undefeated the rest of the season.

Agree, if AD makes move to fire Candle after this season, UT deserves a serious and through national wide search for replacement-but we also likely need to keep our expectation measured as although UT is not a terrible job, its also likely hot HC prospects, especially from major P5 programs, will have other better options, includign those with better pay. And yea I sure hope its not an in-house or local hire (Ohio school)

(09-27-2022 10:12 AM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 09:37 PM)falconplucker Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 08:45 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(09-26-2022 11:45 AM)falconplucker Wrote:  Maybe a good offensive or defensive coordinator from the Sun Belt. Something new.

I like the Hartline idea but this is good too for recruiting. I'd lean defense. Would they adjust to up here? Easier to move south than north. I can't think of a lot that have done it. Actually, I can't think of any but that has to do with my lack of knowledge (I hope).

I thought the Hartline idea was excellent also. I was just trying to think of a different spin. Toledo is always trying to recruit areas of the South. Why not get a coach from down there? It can't be impossible. Urban jerk Myer was able to recruit to BG, Utah, and Florida. As long as you can connect to local football as well, why not? I don't know off the top of my head of any Sun Belt coaches coming north. There have been a few SEC coaches going to the Big 12 and Pac 12 recently. Mel Tucker, although from Cleveland, was at DC at Alabama, before going to Colorado and then Michigan State. That's why I would like to see a completely open process. Just going straight in-house all of the time limits the possibilities. Now that is said that, I am sure Candle goes undefeated the rest of the season.

Agree, if AD makes move to fire Candle after this season, UT deserves a serious and through national wide search for replacement-but we also likely need to keep our expectation measured as although UT is not a terrible job, its also likely hot HC prospects, especially from major P5 programs, will have other better options, includign those with better pay. And yea I sure hope its not an in-house or local hire (Ohio school)

It opens up good FCS head coaches as well as strong coordinators at the FBS level. Not to seem like dancing on the current HC's grave or anything. If he is gone after season or contract, I'm sure he will land well. As has been noted, he will make as much or more in a P5 coordinator spot.