(08-11-2022 06:34 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-11-2022 05:49 AM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  

(08-11-2022 05:01 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  It’s shortsighted to believe every Big 12 team would answer the phone if The ACC called. Aside from Cincinnati, West Virginia and perhaps Kansas, everyone else would let the phone ring.

We’ll see real quick who in The Big 12 thinks they have opportunities in another conference by those who refuse to sign a renewed GOR.

Conversely no one from The ACC is going to answer a call from The Big 12 until after the realignment dust has settled. When that happens will be determined by The ACC and ESPN because of the ACC’s Grant of Rights. If The ESPN wants certain ACC programs moved to The SEC in the near future, ESPN will pay for it.

At the other end of realignment, The PAC and The Big 12 are already arguing about who the smartest kid on the short bus is. Big 12 media reports PAC schools are meeting to immediately join The Big 12. The PAC media is reporting there is no program in The Big 12 worth expanding with.

The ACC won’t join that debate until 2036, unless ESPN takes out its checkbook and writes some big checks.

Is it the ACC that is calling, or really an eventual rump ACC in which the conference championship gets out viewed by American? The ACC isn’t a P2 even before losing its best brands. Hard to see anyone but WVU paying exit fees to move laterally for the ACC for at best 9 years, then Big East 3.0.

And if ESPN doesn’t write those checks, will the ACC be last in pay? Seems unlikely ESPN would write any checks without getting consolidation benefits. Particularly now that it’s needing matchups to compete against 3 BIG OTA.

The Big 12 doesn’t sign a GOR for two years- the question will be answered before that due to PAC resolution. No one is crazy enough to go PAC, even if pac decides to stay together, short of a near perpetuity GOR. It will take moving a dissolution block to ACC, then maybe the leftovers go west

In the end, The ACC will remain a tier above The Big 12 and The PAC. The Big 12 has lost or is losing Nebraska, Missouri, Texas A&M, Oklahoma and Texas. The PAC is losing USC and UCLA.

The ACC lost Maryland.

Now if The ACC losing Maryland makes The ACC “The Rump”. What does losing Nebraska, Missouri, Texas A&M, Oklahoma and Texas make The Big 12?

I refuse to get into the name calling you seem to use regularly in your posts so I’ll leave you with this.

“Profanity is the effort of a feeble brain to express itself forcibly.”

Don’t bother replying with more profanity because I refuse to acknowledge anyone who can’t write without it.

Big XII also lost Colorado, but who's counting? Five AAU schools and Oklahoma but still standing.

(08-11-2022 06:34 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-11-2022 05:49 AM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  

(08-11-2022 05:01 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  It’s shortsighted to believe every Big 12 team would answer the phone if The ACC called. Aside from Cincinnati, West Virginia and perhaps Kansas, everyone else would let the phone ring.

We’ll see real quick who in The Big 12 thinks they have opportunities in another conference by those who refuse to sign a renewed GOR.

Conversely no one from The ACC is going to answer a call from The Big 12 until after the realignment dust has settled. When that happens will be determined by The ACC and ESPN because of the ACC’s Grant of Rights. If The ESPN wants certain ACC programs moved to The SEC in the near future, ESPN will pay for it.

At the other end of realignment, The PAC and The Big 12 are already arguing about who the smartest kid on the short bus is. Big 12 media reports PAC schools are meeting to immediately join The Big 12. The PAC media is reporting there is no program in The Big 12 worth expanding with.

The ACC won’t join that debate until 2036, unless ESPN takes out its checkbook and writes some big checks.

Is it the ACC that is calling, or really an eventual [...] ACC in which the conference championship gets out viewed by American? The ACC isn’t a P2 even before losing its best brands. Hard to see anyone but WVU paying exit fees to move laterally for the ACC for at best 9 years, then Big East 3.0.

And if ESPN doesn’t write those checks, will the ACC be last in pay? Seems unlikely ESPN would write any checks without getting consolidation benefits. Particularly now that it’s needing matchups to compete against 3 BIG OTA.

The Big 12 doesn’t sign a GOR for two years- the question will be answered before that due to PAC resolution. No one is crazy enough to go PAC, even if pac decides to stay together, short of a near perpetuity GOR. It will take moving a dissolution block to ACC, then maybe the leftovers go west

In the end, The ACC will remain a tier above The Big 12 and The PAC. The Big 12 has lost or is losing Nebraska, Missouri, Texas A&M, Oklahoma and Texas. The PAC is losing USC and UCLA.

The ACC lost Maryland.

Now if The ACC losing Maryland makes The ACC “The Rump”. What does losing Nebraska, Missouri, Texas A&M, Oklahoma and Texas make The Big 12?
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As someone else noted, the B12 also lost CO.

That aside, I don't think anyone doubts that ACC is likely to lose FSU and Clemson (and maybe Miami) sooner than 2036.

As to whether Cin, WV, and UCF go to the ACC, or Pitt, Syracuse (and maybe BC) go to the B12, is anyone's guess. Though I think USF and Memphis come along on that ride, which ever direction it goes.

(08-11-2022 06:34 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-11-2022 05:49 AM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  

(08-11-2022 05:01 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  It’s shortsighted to believe every Big 12 team would answer the phone if The ACC called. Aside from Cincinnati, West Virginia and perhaps Kansas, everyone else would let the phone ring.

We’ll see real quick who in The Big 12 thinks they have opportunities in another conference by those who refuse to sign a renewed GOR.

Conversely no one from The ACC is going to answer a call from The Big 12 until after the realignment dust has settled. When that happens will be determined by The ACC and ESPN because of the ACC’s Grant of Rights. If The ESPN wants certain ACC programs moved to The SEC in the near future, ESPN will pay for it.

At the other end of realignment, The PAC and The Big 12 are already arguing about who the smartest kid on the short bus is. Big 12 media reports PAC schools are meeting to immediately join The Big 12. The PAC media is reporting there is no program in The Big 12 worth expanding with.

The ACC won’t join that debate until 2036, unless ESPN takes out its checkbook and writes some big checks.

Is it the ACC that is calling, or really an eventual rump ACC in which the conference championship gets out viewed by American? The ACC isn’t a P2 even before losing its best brands. Hard to see anyone but WVU paying exit fees to move laterally for the ACC for at best 9 years, then Big East 3.0.

And if ESPN doesn’t write those checks, will the ACC be last in pay? Seems unlikely ESPN would write any checks without getting consolidation benefits. Particularly now that it’s needing matchups to compete against 3 BIG OTA.

The Big 12 doesn’t sign a GOR for two years- the question will be answered before that due to PAC resolution. No one is crazy enough to go PAC, even if pac decides to stay together, short of a near perpetuity GOR. It will take moving a dissolution block to ACC, then maybe the leftovers go west

In the end, The ACC will remain a tier above The Big 12 and The PAC. The Big 12 has lost or is losing Nebraska, Missouri, Texas A&M, Oklahoma and Texas. The PAC is losing USC and UCLA.

The ACC lost Maryland.

Now if The ACC losing Maryland makes The ACC “The Rump”. What does losing Nebraska, Missouri, Texas A&M, Oklahoma and Texas make The Big 12?

I refuse to get into the name calling you seem to use regularly in your posts so I’ll leave you with this.

“Profanity is the effort of a feeble brain to express itself forcibly.”

Don’t bother replying with more profanity because I refuse to acknowledge anyone who can’t write without it.

Again, which ACC is calling- the one now, which makes peer money and is an afterthought in ratings without Clemson/FSU, or the rump ACC after the looming P2 departures are executed?

What are you talking about with profanity? You do know what the term means, right? Do better.

(08-11-2022 05:03 PM)EdwordL Wrote:  

(08-11-2022 06:34 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-11-2022 05:49 AM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  

(08-11-2022 05:01 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  It’s shortsighted to believe every Big 12 team would answer the phone if The ACC called. Aside from Cincinnati, West Virginia and perhaps Kansas, everyone else would let the phone ring.

We’ll see real quick who in The Big 12 thinks they have opportunities in another conference by those who refuse to sign a renewed GOR.

Conversely no one from The ACC is going to answer a call from The Big 12 until after the realignment dust has settled. When that happens will be determined by The ACC and ESPN because of the ACC’s Grant of Rights. If The ESPN wants certain ACC programs moved to The SEC in the near future, ESPN will pay for it.

At the other end of realignment, The PAC and The Big 12 are already arguing about who the smartest kid on the short bus is. Big 12 media reports PAC schools are meeting to immediately join The Big 12. The PAC media is reporting there is no program in The Big 12 worth expanding with.

The ACC won’t join that debate until 2036, unless ESPN takes out its checkbook and writes some big checks.

Is it the ACC that is calling, or really an eventual rump ACC in which the conference championship gets out viewed by American? The ACC isn’t a P2 even before losing its best brands. Hard to see anyone but WVU paying exit fees to move laterally for the ACC for at best 9 years, then Big East 3.0.

And if ESPN doesn’t write those checks, will the ACC be last in pay? Seems unlikely ESPN would write any checks without getting consolidation benefits. Particularly now that it’s needing matchups to compete against 3 BIG OTA.

The Big 12 doesn’t sign a GOR for two years- the question will be answered before that due to PAC resolution. No one is crazy enough to go PAC, even if pac decides to stay together, short of a near perpetuity GOR. It will take moving a dissolution block to ACC, then maybe the leftovers go west

In the end, The ACC will remain a tier above The Big 12 and The PAC. The Big 12 has lost or is losing Nebraska, Missouri, Texas A&M, Oklahoma and Texas. The PAC is losing USC and UCLA.

The ACC lost Maryland.

Now if The ACC losing Maryland makes The ACC “The Rump”. What does losing Nebraska, Missouri, Texas A&M, Oklahoma and Texas make The Big 12?

I refuse to get into the name calling you seem to use regularly in your posts so I’ll leave you with this.

“Profanity is the effort of a feeble brain to express itself forcibly.”

Don’t bother replying with more profanity because I refuse to acknowledge anyone who can’t write without it.

Big XII also lost Colorado, but who's counting? Five AAU schools and Oklahoma but still standing.

But CU was a P5 to P5 move. One long coming.

Everything else has really been P5 to P2. OUT. NU. A&M, MU. Maryland. USC, UCLA. All despite many attempts otherwise

That consolidation hit Big 12 first inherent to Big 12 being a corporate marriage, but the consolidation driven poaching itself is not

(08-09-2022 02:14 PM)Bluedevil16 Wrote:  ACC is going to need a large increase to stay within the same league as the 2 most powerful contracts, but ESPN seemingly doesn’t need to agree to anything during the look in.

The look in is the stupidest thing in a contract I have ever heard of. It’s just a thing where the ACC can say “Pretty, please increase our contract.” And ESPN of course says no. I have no idea why the ACC actually thought these look ins were a good idea.


The only way the look in would have helped the ACC is if it said that ESPN was required to increase the ACC’s tv contract if the ACC met certain tv ratings criteria. But the look in as it’s written is a completely meaningless joke.

Kill the GOR and let the chips fall. If Pitt is left behind then so be it. Being in limbo for the next 15 years is fckin stupid.