(08-09-2022 06:52 PM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  

(08-09-2022 02:23 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  ACC needs to find ways to generate revenue outside of ESPN and TV money. Maybe they become the first ever league that goes by a corporate name. "The Bank of America Atlantic Coast Conference" becomes their official name.

...howza bout naming rights obtained by AFLAC? Thus, "...AFLACC!!!"

LOL... I like it!

(08-09-2022 02:31 PM)Jericho Wrote:  This is how it will go

ACC: Pay us more money
ESPN: Why?
ACC: because
ESPN: No.
End scene

ACC: Pay us more money
ESPN: Stay in your lane or there'll be a new 30 for 30: "Requiem for the ACC."
ACC: (Gulp.)

(08-09-2022 04:47 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-09-2022 04:09 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  

(08-09-2022 03:56 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(08-09-2022 02:45 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  This is why the ACC may be very interested in a P12N merger with ACCN, as at least it could significantly bump up the digital side of the deal.

It'll be the Pac-2 after the B1G is done cherry pickin' and the XII convinces the Four Corners 4 the ACC is a sinking ship

Even if the SEC and B1G went to 24 each, there would still be more left in the ACC/PAC than in the BigXII.

Remember: the Big XII is "secure" because they "don't have any teams anyone else wants"!

It’s not a contradiction.

That conference is down 5 to P2. When the same occurs to PAC and ACC, those conferences likely don’t survive given they already were peers.

The Big 12 being a corporate marriage meant it felt consolidation first, but that’s now an advantage against its peers.

(08-09-2022 02:14 PM)Bluedevil16 Wrote:  ACC is going to need a large increase to stay within the same league as the 2 most powerful contracts, but ESPN seemingly doesn’t need to agree to anything during the look in.

Look ins are a myth. AAC fans have been talking about the look in for 10 years. ESPIN doesn’t do that

(08-09-2022 02:27 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-09-2022 02:21 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(08-09-2022 02:14 PM)Bluedevil16 Wrote:  ACC is going to need a large increase to stay within the same league as the 2 most powerful contracts, but ESPN seemingly doesn’t need to agree to anything during the look in.

The ACC is not keeping up with the Super 2 and it won't. ESPN decided the matter with its paydays and its SEC hype. The gap will not be closed. That ship has left the barn. That horse has sailed.

For better and for worse, the ACC does stand to be the undisputed #3 in revenues.

ACC teams have shown that they can compete with SEC schools as long as the gap is not more than about $15 million/year. So if the SEC will be getting $750M/14 = $54M/yr, then ACC schools need at least $39M/yr (a raise of about $11M/yr in TV money, which is doable IMHO).

SEC and B1G contracts are both going to be significantly higher than that. But, I still think that the ACC schools that take football seriously will continue to compete. With NIL money separate from a school's budget, there's no reason that someone like Clemson, Miami, or FSU can't have a $40m per year gap in Conference revenues but have a very competitive NIL program. Heck, I bet Dabo is using this to get his donors all frothed up (like Saban but not all over the news about it).

(08-10-2022 10:51 PM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  

(08-09-2022 04:47 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-09-2022 04:09 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  

(08-09-2022 03:56 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(08-09-2022 02:45 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  This is why the ACC may be very interested in a P12N merger with ACCN, as at least it could significantly bump up the digital side of the deal.

It'll be the Pac-2 after the B1G is done cherry pickin' and the XII convinces the Four Corners 4 the ACC is a sinking ship

Even if the SEC and B1G went to 24 each, there would still be more left in the ACC/PAC than in the BigXII.

Remember: the Big XII is "secure" because they "don't have any teams anyone else wants"!

It’s not a contradiction.

That conference is down 5 to P2. When the same occurs to PAC and ACC, those conferences likely don’t survive given they already were peers.

The Big 12 being a corporate marriage meant it felt consolidation first, but that’s now an advantage against its peers.

I've been saying this for awhile. Take out the top 2 teams from the Pac and they're already down 50%, take out a couple more and they're the WAC with better Academics. Take out the top 3 or 4 from the ACC and it's far behind the big 12.

The best of the big 12 won't move the needle for the ACC in a look in period, if at all. But the worst of the big 12 (ok other than KU) is still a rabid football fan base that has a strong following and a dominant position in certain areas ( or a good to pretty good position in Texas ). The ACC and Pac each have a half dozen schools that just don't bring much to the table Athletically, and they will be what's left when the rest go looking for greener pastures.

Even if the SEC and B1G went to 24 each, there would still be more left in the ACC/PAC than in the BigXII.

your out of your mind

WSU, OSU, ASU, Ariz / GT, NCST, Duke, WF, Pitt, Syc, VT, BC
B-12 phone be ringing off the hook

(08-11-2022 01:41 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Even if the SEC and B1G went to 24 each, there would still be more left in the ACC/PAC than in the BigXII.

your out of your mind

WSU, OSU, ASU, Ariz / GT, NCST, Duke, WF, Pitt, Syc, VT, BC
B-12 phone be ringing off the hook

That conference would be lucky to get $15 million/school.

It would be desperate.

It’s shortsighted to believe every Big 12 team would answer the phone if The ACC called. Aside from Cincinnati, West Virginia and perhaps Kansas, everyone else would let the phone ring.

We’ll see real quick who in The Big 12 thinks they have opportunities in another conference by those who refuse to sign a renewed GOR.

Conversely no one from The ACC is going to answer a call from The Big 12 until after the realignment dust has settled. When that happens will be determined by The ACC and ESPN because of the ACC’s Grant of Rights. If The ESPN wants certain ACC programs moved to The SEC in the near future, ESPN will pay for it.

At the other end of realignment, The PAC and The Big 12 are already arguing about who the smartest kid on the short bus is. Big 12 media reports PAC schools are meeting to immediately join The Big 12. The PAC media is reporting there is no program in The Big 12 worth expanding with.

The ACC won’t join that debate until 2036, unless ESPN takes out its checkbook and writes some big checks.

(08-11-2022 05:01 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  It’s shortsighted to believe every Big 12 team would answer the phone if The ACC called. Aside from Cincinnati, West Virginia and perhaps Kansas, everyone else would let the phone ring.

We’ll see real quick who in The Big 12 thinks they have opportunities in another conference by those who refuse to sign a renewed GOR.

Conversely no one from The ACC is going to answer a call from The Big 12 until after the realignment dust has settled. When that happens will be determined by The ACC and ESPN because of the ACC’s Grant of Rights. If The ESPN wants certain ACC programs moved to The SEC in the near future, ESPN will pay for it.

At the other end of realignment, The PAC and The Big 12 are already arguing about who the smartest kid on the short bus is. Big 12 media reports PAC schools are meeting to immediately join The Big 12. The PAC media is reporting there is no program in The Big 12 worth expanding with.

The ACC won’t join that debate until 2036, unless ESPN takes out its checkbook and writes some big checks.

Is it the ACC that is calling, or really an eventual rump ACC in which the conference championship gets out viewed by American? The ACC isn’t a P2 even before losing its best brands. Hard to see anyone but WVU paying exit fees to move laterally for the ACC for at best 9 years, then Big East 3.0.

And if ESPN doesn’t write those checks, will the ACC be last in pay? Seems unlikely ESPN would write any checks without getting consolidation benefits. Particularly now that it’s needing matchups to compete against 3 BIG OTA.

The Big 12 doesn’t sign a GOR for two years- the question will be answered before that due to PAC resolution. No one is crazy enough to go PAC, even if pac decides to stay together, short of a near perpetuity GOR. It will take moving a dissolution block to ACC, then maybe the leftovers go west

(08-09-2022 02:14 PM)Bluedevil16 Wrote:  ACC is going to need a large increase to stay within the same league as the 2 most powerful contracts, but ESPN seemingly doesn’t need to agree to anything during the look in.

I don't see any reason for ESPN to pay the ACC any more than it is contractually obligated to pay them. So I don't expect any "look in" to result in more money for the ACC.

(08-11-2022 05:49 AM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  

(08-11-2022 05:01 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  It’s shortsighted to believe every Big 12 team would answer the phone if The ACC called. Aside from Cincinnati, West Virginia and perhaps Kansas, everyone else would let the phone ring.

We’ll see real quick who in The Big 12 thinks they have opportunities in another conference by those who refuse to sign a renewed GOR.

Conversely no one from The ACC is going to answer a call from The Big 12 until after the realignment dust has settled. When that happens will be determined by The ACC and ESPN because of the ACC’s Grant of Rights. If The ESPN wants certain ACC programs moved to The SEC in the near future, ESPN will pay for it.

At the other end of realignment, The PAC and The Big 12 are already arguing about who the smartest kid on the short bus is. Big 12 media reports PAC schools are meeting to immediately join The Big 12. The PAC media is reporting there is no program in The Big 12 worth expanding with.

The ACC won’t join that debate until 2036, unless ESPN takes out its checkbook and writes some big checks.

Is it the ACC that is calling, or really an eventual rump ACC in which the conference championship gets out viewed by American? The ACC isn’t a P2 even before losing its best brands. Hard to see anyone but WVU paying exit fees to move laterally for the ACC for at best 9 years, then Big East 3.0.

And if ESPN doesn’t write those checks, will the ACC be last in pay? Seems unlikely ESPN would write any checks without getting consolidation benefits. Particularly now that it’s needing matchups to compete against 3 BIG OTA.

The Big 12 doesn’t sign a GOR for two years- the question will be answered before that due to PAC resolution. No one is crazy enough to go PAC, even if pac decides to stay together, short of a near perpetuity GOR. It will take moving a dissolution block to ACC, then maybe the leftovers go west

In the end, The ACC will remain a tier above The Big 12 and The PAC. The Big 12 has lost or is losing Nebraska, Missouri, Texas A&M, Oklahoma and Texas. The PAC is losing USC and UCLA.

The ACC lost Maryland.

Now if The ACC losing Maryland makes The ACC “The Rump”. What does losing Nebraska, Missouri, Texas A&M, Oklahoma and Texas make The Big 12?

I refuse to get into the name calling you seem to use regularly in your posts so I’ll leave you with this.

“Profanity is the effort of a feeble brain to express itself forcibly.”

Don’t bother replying with more profanity because I refuse to acknowledge anyone who can’t write without it.

(08-11-2022 05:01 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  It’s shortsighted to believe every Big 12 team would answer the phone if The ACC called. Aside from Cincinnati, West Virginia and perhaps Kansas, everyone else would let the phone ring.

We’ll see real quick who in The Big 12 thinks they have opportunities in another conference by those who refuse to sign a renewed GOR.

Conversely no one from The ACC is going to answer a call from The Big 12 until after the realignment dust has settled. When that happens will be determined by The ACC and ESPN because of the ACC’s Grant of Rights. If The ESPN wants certain ACC programs moved to The SEC in the near future, ESPN will pay for it.

At the other end of realignment, The PAC and The Big 12 are already arguing about who the smartest kid on the short bus is. Big 12 media reports PAC schools are meeting to immediately join The Big 12. The PAC media is reporting there is no program in The Big 12 worth expanding with.

The ACC won’t join that debate until 2036, unless ESPN takes out its checkbook and writes some big checks.

I agree. Most nB12 teams will at least first wait and see what their contract in 2025 is likely to be. No reason to sign on to a 14-year GOR if the money is going to be in the same ballpark.

(08-11-2022 06:33 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-09-2022 02:14 PM)Bluedevil16 Wrote:  ACC is going to need a large increase to stay within the same league as the 2 most powerful contracts, but ESPN seemingly doesn’t need to agree to anything during the look in.

I don't see any reason for ESPN to pay the ACC any more than it is contractually obligated to pay them. So I don't expect any "look in" to result in more money for the ACC.

ESPN will if they truly value moving X number of ACC programs to The SEC. Keep in mind those programs won’t ever be worth more than they are now.

Just spitballing here I would say a guaranteed 75 million a year for the remaining ACC programs establishing that number would be the starting point for the next contract, guaranteed access to the CFP along with The ACC Network being continued.

Those seem like equitable terms to all parties involved.

(08-11-2022 06:39 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-11-2022 06:33 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-09-2022 02:14 PM)Bluedevil16 Wrote:  ACC is going to need a large increase to stay within the same league as the 2 most powerful contracts, but ESPN seemingly doesn’t need to agree to anything during the look in.

I don't see any reason for ESPN to pay the ACC any more than it is contractually obligated to pay them. So I don't expect any "look in" to result in more money for the ACC.

ESPN will if they truly value moving X number of ACC programs to The SEC. Keep in mind those programs won’t ever be worth more than they are now.

Just spitballing here I would say a guaranteed 75 million a year for the remaining ACC programs establishing that number would be the starting point for the next contract, guaranteed access to the CFP along with The ACC Network being continued.

Those seem like equitable terms to all parties involved.

I agree that ESPN will if they truly value that, but IMO, I do not think ESPN has that much interest in moving ACC programs to the SEC. Not anywhere near paying the remaining members that much, or anywhere close to it. If I was ESPN, the most I would offer to the remaining ACC schools to allow them to let say Clemson, FSU and UNC leave is maybe a $5m a year each bump, and guaranteed access to the CFP, through 2036.

Maybe in 10 years, when the current deal is nearing expiry, and if there is the spectre of some ACC teams leaving for the B1G, I would pay more, but that's 10 years from now. Heck, it also is likely to be two B1G contracts from now, and ESPN may well have a piece of the B1G again.

(08-11-2022 06:39 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-11-2022 06:33 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-09-2022 02:14 PM)Bluedevil16 Wrote:  ACC is going to need a large increase to stay within the same league as the 2 most powerful contracts, but ESPN seemingly doesn’t need to agree to anything during the look in.

I don't see any reason for ESPN to pay the ACC any more than it is contractually obligated to pay them. So I don't expect any "look in" to result in more money for the ACC.

ESPN will if they truly value moving X number of ACC programs to The SEC. Keep in mind those programs won’t ever be worth more than they are now.

Just spitballing here I would say a guaranteed 75 million a year for the remaining ACC programs establishing that number would be the starting point for the next contract, guaranteed access to the CFP along with The ACC Network being continued.

Those seem like equitable terms to all parties involved.

If espn values those P2 level programs, and wants to prevent brand valuation decay, moving them soon is the answer, not pretending the ACC is a P2

If ESPN is paying those schools at P2 level, they will likely be in the P2, or they go unequal revenue sharing (ESPN’s Thamel has pushed) in which the leftovers are maybe making less than now.

Anything with a premium to next 14 years and realignment security is a great offer for ACC schools without P2 invites. That represents extracting value from GOR. It may be a conference that is Big East 3.0, but that’s better than American 2.0 come 2036

Well since the B1G is leaving ESPN and they have to fill that airtime with something so I could see a small bump in pay with the added TV inventory they could provide.

(08-09-2022 02:45 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(08-09-2022 02:40 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-09-2022 02:31 PM)Jericho Wrote:  This is how it will go

ACC: Pay us more money
ESPN: Why?
ACC: because
ESPN: No.
End scene

Right. The only thing the look-in does is they look for ways to make both sides more money. Otherwise, nothing happens.

This is why the ACC may be very interested in a P12N merger with ACCN, as at least it could significantly bump up the digital side of the deal. Otherwise there is no reason for ESPN or ESPN+ to up the money from the contracted escalator.

Yes. If the ACC cannot add any valuable school, the network partnership would be the second best option for the ACC

(08-11-2022 06:49 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-11-2022 06:39 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(08-11-2022 06:33 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-09-2022 02:14 PM)Bluedevil16 Wrote:  ACC is going to need a large increase to stay within the same league as the 2 most powerful contracts, but ESPN seemingly doesn’t need to agree to anything during the look in.

I don't see any reason for ESPN to pay the ACC any more than it is contractually obligated to pay them. So I don't expect any "look in" to result in more money for the ACC.

ESPN will if they truly value moving X number of ACC programs to The SEC. Keep in mind those programs won’t ever be worth more than they are now.

Just spitballing here I would say a guaranteed 75 million a year for the remaining ACC programs establishing that number would be the starting point for the next contract, guaranteed access to the CFP along with The ACC Network being continued.

Those seem like equitable terms to all parties involved.

I agree that ESPN will if they truly value that, but IMO, I do not think ESPN has that much interest in moving ACC programs to the SEC. Not anywhere near paying the remaining members that much, or anywhere close to it. If I was ESPN, the most I would offer to the remaining ACC schools to allow them to let say Clemson, FSU and UNC leave is maybe a $5m a year each bump, and guaranteed access to the CFP, through 2036.

Maybe in 10 years, when the current deal is nearing expiry, and if there is the spectre of some ACC teams leaving for the B1G, I would pay more, but that's 10 years from now. Heck, it also is likely to be two B1G contracts from now, and ESPN may well have a piece of the B1G again.

I don't see how guaranteeing access to the CFP in the future is something within ESPN's power to give.

ACC, "we would like a few million per team added." ESPN "sorry we already gave it all in the SEC"