(07-16-2022 01:32 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-16-2022 12:19 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  .

Question: Do the AAC schools with the toughest schedules have a better or worse chance of making their way into the NCAA tournament?

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depends on the situation of the team and the goals of the team.. for example usf's schedule is perfect for its situation but a terrible schedule for a team trying to make the tournament, or houston is an amazing schedule for making the tournament but not great for a team trying to get the 1 seed

memphis schedule is borderline foolish, the worst noncon they have of their known 8 is ole miss, who beat them last year, it is strategically dumb to have that hard a schedule on such a rebuild

for just "making the tournament" ucf (assuming the rest are buy games) and houston are the best schedules, ironically ucf might not be good enough to make the tournament and scheduled too hard, and houston might be weak for its goals

temple schedule is also really good, with the only complaint being the home and away doesnt have any guaranteed q1 (vill switching coaches might not be top 30).. temple is the closest to "team goals matches the schedule"

cincy has 4 unknown, from miller track record theyll probably be buy games.1 monster MTE/xavier and rest not great seems to be his MO

Tulane likely need 2 great games to get to solid, 1 to atleast get to passable , smu fits, its weak which might be beneficial for a rebuilding team but good enough that if they magically turned out great theyd still have a small shot for bid. one more decent game wouldnt hurt

Wichita according to their coach their goal is to make the ncaa tournament (thinks they'll be better than last year), their schedule is really bad for that, its not only weak, its extremely unfavorable in home and away for net games .

usf is great for a rebuilding team, tulsa's will be terrible but thats fine for a projected bottom team, ECU's will be interesting when the full schedule comes out, their new coach loves hard schedules is open to being a buy game to get that

COMMENTS:

Houston: With only 3 Q1/Q2 OOC games, their schedule certainly doesn't seem to be built for a #1 tournament seed, although they might still be able to earn a #1 seed by finishing the regular season with 28 or 29+ wins and a good Q1 W-L record.

Tulane: Suprisingly, only has one top 50 team on their OOC schedule so far - and it's a home game. They still have 5 games to add to their schedule, but right now, it's pretty light from a SOS standpoint, and that could hurt them at tournament time unless they meet & surpass all expectations in conference play.

Cincinnati: Their OOC schedule does look pretty light, unless they play 3 Q1 or Q2 games in the Maui Invitational. With a schedule like theirs, they should be able to finish the reg. season with 23-24 wins, but their NET rank may suffer due to their modest SOS.

Temple: The Owls have 6 or 7 Q1/Q2 games on their OOC schedule, although only 2-3 of those games are vs. top 50 teams and only 5-6 are vs. top 100 teams. With a tough conference schedule, Temple could win 20 to 23 regular season games and might be able to make their way into the NIT or the NCAA tournament.

UCF: The Knights have a very challenging OOC schedule for a program that hasn't had a great deal of success since 2019, and they have to play Houston, Memphis, Cincy, and Temple twice (and on the road at Tulane), so their conference schedule will also present them with a lot of challenges.

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Reviewing the schedules, it appears very possible that the AAC may be a 3-NCAA-bid conference (e.g., Houston, Memphis & Tulane/Temple/or Cincy) this season, with 2 NIT teams.

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(07-16-2022 07:48 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

putting or doesnt make any point correct, which is a habit of yours
and will then complain when i say a take of yours is nuts

if i said memphis has too many hard games.... you stating there are some unknown games doesn't counter that at all.. this is a very simple point

(07-16-2022 09:55 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-16-2022 07:48 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

putting or doesnt make any point correct, which is a habit of yours
and will then complain when i say a take of yours is nuts

if i said memphis has too many hard games.... you stating there are some unknown games doesn't counter that at all.. this is a very simple point

You're a master dig maker. You make these little subtle digs all the time. You think you're clever and you're not. "Memphis has the second worst roster under Penny". Says who...you? Memphis has one of the most mature rosters in the country. They average 23 years old. Most of Penny's teams have been babies in the past. He learned his lesson. He's done with brats.

Now you get to deal with the brats. Let's see how it all plays out.

(07-16-2022 07:40 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(07-16-2022 01:32 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-16-2022 12:19 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  .

Question: Do the AAC schools with the toughest schedules have a better or worse chance of making their way into the NCAA tournament?

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depends on the situation of the team and the goals of the team.. for example usf's schedule is perfect for its situation but a terrible schedule for a team trying to make the tournament, or houston is an amazing schedule for making the tournament but not great for a team trying to get the 1 seed

memphis schedule is borderline foolish, the worst noncon they have of their known 8 is ole miss, who beat them last year, it is strategically dumb to have that hard a schedule on such a rebuild

for just "making the tournament" ucf (assuming the rest are buy games) and houston are the best schedules, ironically ucf might not be good enough to make the tournament and scheduled too hard, and houston might be weak for its goals

temple schedule is also really good, with the only complaint being the home and away doesnt have any guaranteed q1 (vill switching coaches might not be top 30).. temple is the closest to "team goals matches the schedule"

cincy has 4 unknown, from miller track record theyll probably be buy games.1 monster MTE/xavier and rest not great seems to be his MO

Tulane likely need 2 great games to get to solid, 1 to atleast get to passable , smu fits, its weak which might be beneficial for a rebuilding team but good enough that if they magically turned out great theyd still have a small shot for bid. one more decent game wouldnt hurt

Wichita according to their coach their goal is to make the ncaa tournament (thinks they'll be better than last year), their schedule is really bad for that, its not only weak, its extremely unfavorable in home and away for net games .

usf is great for a rebuilding team, tulsa's will be terrible but thats fine for a projected bottom team, ECU's will be interesting when the full schedule comes out, their new coach loves hard schedules is open to being a buy game to get that

That's a very interesting analysis.

With regard to Memphis's schedule, even if the rest of their OOC games are scheduled vs. cupcakes, they have a pretty tough OOC schedule, with as many as 8 games vs. potential or likely NIT or NCAA tournament teams.

MEMPHIS (#36) (barttorvik.com rankings)

11/24/2022 vs. TBD; Kissimmee, FL - ESPN Invitational
11/25/2022 vs. TBD; Kissimmee, FL
11/27/2022 vs. TBD; Kissimmee, FL
12/3/2022 OLE MISS (#44) (Q2)
12/10/2022 vs. Auburn; Atlanta, GA (#18) (Q1)
12/17/2022 TEXAS A&M (#19) (Q1)
TBD @ Alabama (#37) (Q1)
TBD @ Saint Louis (#41) (Q2)

ESPN Invitational
Participants:
Florida State (ACC) (#73) (Q2)
Nebraska (Big Ten) (#91) (Q2)
Oklahoma (Big 12) (#31) (Q1)
Ole Miss (SEC) (#44) (Q1)
Seton Hall (Big East) (#55) (Q2)
Siena (Metro Atlantic) (#326) (Q4)
Stanford (Pac-12) (#39) (Q1)

OOC schedule: 3 to 5 Q1 and 2 to 4 Q2 OOC games


Regular season Q1 and Q2 games:

Houston (#6) (Home: Q1; Away Q1)
Tulane (#42) (Home: Q2; Away Q1)
Cincinnati (#52) (Home: Q2; Away Q1)
Temple (#63) (Home: Q2; Away Q1)
UCF (#99) (Home: Q3; Away Q2)

AAC schedule: 5 Q1 and 4 Q2 games

Overall Memphis Schedule: 8 to 10 Q1 and 6 to 8 Q2 games.

With this schedule, I would estimate that Memphis will probably go something like 8-5 in OOC play and that they'll win 13 conference games (splitting with Houston, Tulane, Temple, Cincy, and losing to one other AAC team), to wind up the season with ~21 wins, but with a relatively high NET rank, due to the strength of their schedule.

If they finish the regular season with a 21-10 record, with a NET of 35-40 and a Q1/Q2 record something like (4-4) (5-2), that will be good enough to get them into the NCAA tournament with something like a (9) or (10) seed.

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and nothing the torvik is underselling some of memphis games...

bama is a top 20 team according to most human poills, saint louis is top 30 in most human polls
florida state will almost certainly be a top 50 team (plague with injuries last year but stacked with 5stars).. i also like setons transfer class

(07-16-2022 08:29 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  [

COMMENTS:

Houston: With only 3 Q1/Q2 OOC games, their schedule certainly doesn't seem to be built for a #1 tournament seed, although they might still be able to earn a #1 seed by finishing the regular season with 28 or 29+ wins and a good Q1 W-L record.

Tulane: Suprisingly, only has one top 50 team on their OOC schedule so far - and it's a home game. They still have 5 games to add to their schedule, but right now, it's pretty light from a SOS standpoint, and that could hurt them at tournament time unless they meet & surpass all expectations in conference play.

Cincinnati: Their OOC schedule does look pretty light, unless they play 3 Q1 or Q2 games in the Maui Invitational. With a schedule like theirs, they should be able to finish the reg. season with 23-24 wins, but their NET rank may suffer due to their modest SOS.

Temple: The Owls have 6 or 7 Q1/Q2 games on their OOC schedule, although only 2-3 of those games are vs. top 50 teams and only 5-6 are vs. top 100 teams. With a tough conference schedule, Temple could win 20 to 23 regular season games and might be able to make their way into the NIT or the NCAA tournament.

UCF: The Knights have a very challenging OOC schedule for a program that hasn't had a great deal of success since 2019, and they have to play Houston, Memphis, Cincy, and Temple twice (and on the road at Tulane), so their conference schedule will also present them with a lot of challenges.

Reviewing the schedules, it appears very possible that the AAC may be a 3-NCAA-bid conference (e.g., Houston, Memphis & Tulane/Temple/or Cincy) this season, with 2 NIT teams.

It is surprising Sampson did not choose a schedule similar to Memphis. Perhaps he did not have a choice. Otherwise, it edges on insensibility.

(07-16-2022 10:20 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-16-2022 07:40 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(07-16-2022 01:32 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-16-2022 12:19 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  .

Question: Do the AAC schools with the toughest schedules have a better or worse chance of making their way into the NCAA tournament?

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depends on the situation of the team and the goals of the team.. for example usf's schedule is perfect for its situation but a terrible schedule for a team trying to make the tournament, or houston is an amazing schedule for making the tournament but not great for a team trying to get the 1 seed

memphis schedule is borderline foolish, the worst noncon they have of their known 8 is ole miss, who beat them last year, it is strategically dumb to have that hard a schedule on such a rebuild

for just "making the tournament" ucf (assuming the rest are buy games) and houston are the best schedules, ironically ucf might not be good enough to make the tournament and scheduled too hard, and houston might be weak for its goals

temple schedule is also really good, with the only complaint being the home and away doesnt have any guaranteed q1 (vill switching coaches might not be top 30).. temple is the closest to "team goals matches the schedule"

cincy has 4 unknown, from miller track record theyll probably be buy games.1 monster MTE/xavier and rest not great seems to be his MO

Tulane likely need 2 great games to get to solid, 1 to atleast get to passable , smu fits, its weak which might be beneficial for a rebuilding team but good enough that if they magically turned out great theyd still have a small shot for bid. one more decent game wouldnt hurt

Wichita according to their coach their goal is to make the ncaa tournament (thinks they'll be better than last year), their schedule is really bad for that, its not only weak, its extremely unfavorable in home and away for net games .

usf is great for a rebuilding team, tulsa's will be terrible but thats fine for a projected bottom team, ECU's will be interesting when the full schedule comes out, their new coach loves hard schedules is open to being a buy game to get that

That's a very interesting analysis.

With regard to Memphis's schedule, even if the rest of their OOC games are scheduled vs. cupcakes, they have a pretty tough OOC schedule, with as many as 8 games vs. potential or likely NIT or NCAA tournament teams.

MEMPHIS (#36) (barttorvik.com rankings)

11/24/2022 vs. TBD; Kissimmee, FL - ESPN Invitational
11/25/2022 vs. TBD; Kissimmee, FL
11/27/2022 vs. TBD; Kissimmee, FL
12/3/2022 OLE MISS (#44) (Q2)
12/10/2022 vs. Auburn; Atlanta, GA (#18) (Q1)
12/17/2022 TEXAS A&M (#19) (Q1)
TBD @ Alabama (#37) (Q1)
TBD @ Saint Louis (#41) (Q2)

ESPN Invitational
Participants:
Florida State (ACC) (#73) (Q2)
Nebraska (Big Ten) (#91) (Q2)
Oklahoma (Big 12) (#31) (Q1)
Ole Miss (SEC) (#44) (Q1)
Seton Hall (Big East) (#55) (Q2)
Siena (Metro Atlantic) (#326) (Q4)
Stanford (Pac-12) (#39) (Q1)

OOC schedule: 3 to 5 Q1 and 2 to 4 Q2 OOC games


Regular season Q1 and Q2 games:

Houston (#6) (Home: Q1; Away Q1)
Tulane (#42) (Home: Q2; Away Q1)
Cincinnati (#52) (Home: Q2; Away Q1)
Temple (#63) (Home: Q2; Away Q1)
UCF (#99) (Home: Q3; Away Q2)

AAC schedule: 5 Q1 and 4 Q2 games

Overall Memphis Schedule: 8 to 10 Q1 and 6 to 8 Q2 games.

With this schedule, I would estimate that Memphis will probably go something like 8-5 in OOC play and that they'll win 13 conference games (splitting with Houston, Tulane, Temple, Cincy, and losing to one other AAC team), to wind up the season with ~21 wins, but with a relatively high NET rank, due to the strength of their schedule.

If they finish the regular season with a 21-10 record, with a NET of 35-40 and a Q1/Q2 record something like (4-4) (5-2), that will be good enough to get them into the NCAA tournament with something like a (9) or (10) seed.

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and nothing the torvik is underselling some of memphis games...

bama is a top 20 team according to most human poills, saint louis is top 30 in most human polls
florida state will almost certainly be a top 50 team (plague with injuries last year but stacked with 5stars).. i also like setons transfer class

So what? Bring it on. Ya wanna be the best, ya got to beat the best. Penny has gotten off to a slow start every year because of the brats. I bet he hits the ground running this year because of the mature roster.

(07-16-2022 10:23 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(07-16-2022 08:29 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  [

COMMENTS:

Houston: With only 3 Q1/Q2 OOC games, their schedule certainly doesn't seem to be built for a #1 tournament seed, although they might still be able to earn a #1 seed by finishing the regular season with 28 or 29+ wins and a good Q1 W-L record.

Tulane: Suprisingly, only has one top 50 team on their OOC schedule so far - and it's a home game. They still have 5 games to add to their schedule, but right now, it's pretty light from a SOS standpoint, and that could hurt them at tournament time unless they meet & surpass all expectations in conference play.

Cincinnati: Their OOC schedule does look pretty light, unless they play 3 Q1 or Q2 games in the Maui Invitational. With a schedule like theirs, they should be able to finish the reg. season with 23-24 wins, but their NET rank may suffer due to their modest SOS.

Temple: The Owls have 6 or 7 Q1/Q2 games on their OOC schedule, although only 2-3 of those games are vs. top 50 teams and only 5-6 are vs. top 100 teams. With a tough conference schedule, Temple could win 20 to 23 regular season games and might be able to make their way into the NIT or the NCAA tournament.

UCF: The Knights have a very challenging OOC schedule for a program that hasn't had a great deal of success since 2019, and they have to play Houston, Memphis, Cincy, and Temple twice (and on the road at Tulane), so their conference schedule will also present them with a lot of challenges.

Reviewing the schedules, it appears very possible that the AAC may be a 3-NCAA-bid conference (e.g., Houston, Memphis & Tulane/Temple/or Cincy) this season, with 2 NIT teams.

It is surprising Sampson did not choose a schedule similar to Memphis. Perhaps he did not have a choice. Otherwise, it edges on insensibility.

he spoke on it, says there's a sense of teams being afraid to play us because of our style of play and how good we've become .. note the nuetral with st joes was supposed to be with a bigger team but no one wanted it
note 1 q1 nuetral is expected to be announced soon ...

plus houston has brand association, on samspon's name alone we will get a 1-2 seed if we are 29+ wins .. the schedule is weak for a fir sure 1 seed, but if you are happy with any "high seed" (1 to 3) then the schedule is fine

(07-16-2022 10:20 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  You're a master dig maker. You make these little subtle digs all the time. You think you're clever and you're not. "Memphis has the second worst roster under Penny". Says who...you? Memphis has one of the most mature rosters in the country. They average 23 years old. Most of Penny's teams have been babies in the past. He learned his lesson. He's done with brats.

Now you get to deal with the brats. Let's see how it all plays out.

age doesnt mean talent... you have atleast 1 5star on every your other rosters but the 1st year,

im confused this isnt a dig but simply stating a fact, this is the least touted memphis roster but your 1st year ..this isnt a hot take

year #2 nations best recruiting class
year #3 most of the previous years top players + nolley + deandre + cisse
year #4 nations best recruiting class + top 10 transfer class

which year are you saying this year roster is more talent than??
i feel you guys just take offense to little things

i think your point is memphis will be more mature and thus will win more games, thats fine, but that doesnt mean more talent

(07-16-2022 10:20 PM)pesik Wrote:  ...torvik is underselling some of memphis games...

bama is a top 20 team according to most human poills, saint louis is top 30 in most human polls
florida state will almost certainly be a top 50 team (plague with injuries last year but stacked with 5stars).. i also like setons transfer class

True, Alabama is a top 20 or 25 team in several rankings, and also, they'll have the revenge factor and will play on their home court.

In addition, depending on the luck of the draw, Memphis could (most likely) have one or two Q1 games in the ESPN invitational.

I still expect them to win at least 20 games and to earn a NCAA bid, but if they get off to a slow start (like they did last season), they might end up back in the NIT again.

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(07-16-2022 10:48 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-16-2022 10:20 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  You're a master dig maker. You make these little subtle digs all the time. You think you're clever and you're not. "Memphis has the second worst roster under Penny". Says who...you? Memphis has one of the most mature rosters in the country. They average 23 years old. Most of Penny's teams have been babies in the past. He learned his lesson. He's done with brats.

Now you get to deal with the brats. Let's see how it all plays out.

age doesnt meant talent... you have atleast 1 5star on every your other rosters but the 1st year,

im confused this isnt a dig but simply stating a fact, this is the least touted memphis roster but your 1st year ..this isnt a hot take

year #2 nations best recruiting class
year #3 most of the previous years top players + nolley + deandre + cisse
year #4 nations best recruiting class + top 10 transfer class

which year are you saying this year roster is more talent than??
i feel you guys just take offense to little things

i think your point is memphis will be more mature and thus will win more games, thats fine, but that doesnt mean more talent

No age doesn't meant talent (slow down with your typing). You're the same person that said Memphis' #1 classes don't mean Memphis is going to win. Now you get to deal with it. Now it's a good thing? Make up your mind. You have a bunch of unknowns. We don't.

Memphis has two players in the top five conference players first team. We have talent. Your favorite player Malcolm Dandridge is also on the team.

Wait til your midget Sasser has to deal with 6-9 Akot and Keonte Kennedy. We'll see how great he is playing horse during the season when Memphis stops him from walking up shooting uncontested 3's.

EDIT: Sasser is not a point guard. He's a midget 2.

(07-16-2022 09:55 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-16-2022 07:48 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

putting or doesnt make any point correct, which is a habit of yours
and will then complain when i say a take of yours is nuts

if i said memphis has too many hard games.... you stating there are some unknown games doesn't counter that at all.. this is a very simple point

OK, I'll take the time to spell it out for you. You said the schedule is "borderline foolish" too hard b/c Ole Miss is the easiest of the 8 teams so far.

My implied counter was that the other 5 unknown opponents could be easy opponents, thus making your point moot, b/c then the schedule wouldn't be "borderline foolish" hard.

Thus, you were making that too hard assumption when 5 more games were left to be scheduled.

The fact you think that doesn't counter your point is why we have such stupid debates. You talk around or past everybody, and if someone counters a point, you change your argument around, or say whatever it takes to not admit you were wrong, or concede a simple point.

(07-17-2022 01:45 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  No age doesn't meant talent (slow down with your typing). You're the same person that said Memphis' #1 classes don't mean Memphis is going to win. Now you get to deal with it. Now it's a good thing? Make up your mind. You have a bunch of unknowns. We don't.

Memphis has two players in the top five conference players first team. We have talent. Your favorite player Malcolm Dandridge is also on the team.

Wait til your midget Sasser has to deal with 6-9 Akot and Keonte Kennedy. We'll see how great he is playing horse in the off season.

what? i overhyped the hell out of memphis last year, i has memphis the preseason #1, i said memphis had overwhelming talent and was playing at an elite level to finish the year in the NIT...

here is the preview i made from last year
https://csnbbs.com/thread-927710.html

Quote:Overview: IMO this is the best on-paper roster in all of college basketball.. elite defense, shooting, size, experience, depth its all there. no true PG but bates has elite handles and can handle the position. the big question mark will be if penny can take Memphis to that next level, even that worry is lessened with larry brown on staff. it'll be about putting what's on paper and turning it into results

let not pretend like i didnt hype the hell out of memphis coming into last year..and pretended like the talent wasnt amazing

also basketball isnt black and white, talent alone doesnt win, that is true... but that has nothing to do with this conversation as i said "2nd worst roster under penny" (which you took issue with) this conversation was solely about roster talent

to address your other points...
1) no one said "you didnt have talent", ..it was "less talent than the last 3 years", which was elite at memphis. being less than the last 3 years doesnt mean bad..

2) neither akot or kennedy are threatening players .. and sasser is 6'3 (technically 6.275 from the combine) with a 6'7 wingspan... the sole and only legitimately threatening player on memphis is likely 5'10/5'11! is height where we want to target?

(07-17-2022 02:04 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(07-16-2022 09:55 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-16-2022 07:48 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

putting or doesnt make any point correct, which is a habit of yours
and will then complain when i say a take of yours is nuts

if i said memphis has too many hard games.... you stating there are some unknown games doesn't counter that at all.. this is a very simple point

OK, I'll take the time to spell it out for you. You said the schedule is "borderline foolish" too hard b/c Ole Miss is the easiest of the 8 teams so far.

My implied counter was that the other 5 unknown opponents could be easy opponents, thus making your point moot, b/c then the schedule wouldn't be "borderline foolish" hard.

Thus, you were making that too hard assumption when 5 more games were left to be scheduled.

The fact you think that doesn't counter your point is why we have such stupid debates. You talk around or past everybody, and if someone counters a point, you change your argument around, or say whatever it takes to not admit you were wrong, or concede a simple point.

the point was based around "too many hard games" scheduled.. if your 5 games were easy it wouldnt changed there are too many hard games

having 8 of of you 13 ooc be that hard is a ton to ask for a rebuilding team.. saying we dont know the other 5 games, doesnt change the fact that there are still 8 of the 13 are still extremely tough

saying 5 unkown only enforces that it could get even worse, its impossible to get better without cancelling games

(07-17-2022 02:12 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-17-2022 01:45 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  No age doesn't meant talent (slow down with your typing). You're the same person that said Memphis' #1 classes don't mean Memphis is going to win. Now you get to deal with it. Now it's a good thing? Make up your mind. You have a bunch of unknowns. We don't.

Memphis has two players in the top five conference players first team. We have talent. Your favorite player Malcolm Dandridge is also on the team.

Wait til your midget Sasser has to deal with 6-9 Akot and Keonte Kennedy. We'll see how great he is playing horse in the off season.

what? i overhyped the hell out of memphis last year, i has memphis the preseason #1, i said memphis had overwhelming talent and was playing at an elite level to finish the year in the NIT...

here is the preview i made from last year
https://csnbbs.com/thread-927710.html

Quote:Overview: IMO this is the best on-paper roster in all of college basketball.. elite defense, shooting, size, experience, depth its all there. no true PG but bates has elite handles and can handle the position. the big question mark will be if penny can take Memphis to that next level, even that worry is lessened with larry brown on staff. it'll be about putting what's on paper and turning it into results

let not pretend like i didnt hype the hell out of memphis coming into last year..and pretended like the talent wasnt amazing

also basketball isnt black and white, talent alone doesnt win, that is true... but that has nothing to do with this conversation as i said "2nd worst roster under penny" (which you took issue with) this conversation was solely about roster talent

to address your other points...
1) no one said "you didnt have talent", ..it was "less talent than the last 3 years", which was elite at memphis. being less than the last 3 years doesnt mean bad..

2) neither akot or kennedy are threatening players .. and sasser is 6'3 (technically 6.275 from the combine) with a 6'7 wingspan... the sole and only legitimately threatening player on memphis is likely 5'10/5'11! is height where we want to target?

You're talking about roster talent? Memphis has as many players on the first team as Houston has. Two players. WTF are you talking about. No we don't have the # 1 class this year. Penny has gone in a different direction. He's done with the Emoni Bates of the world. That's a bad thing?

Akot and Kennedy are not threating players? You got better players to match up against them?

Give it a rest dude. Akot shoots 40 percent from 3. Just stop it. There you go again with the digs.

Houston has no idea what they're going to be this year yet. Maybe they'll be great. Maybe they'll be the Memphis team that couldn't make the NIT.

All I know is you'll be young and Memphis will have seasoned vets. That matters.

(07-17-2022 02:37 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  You're talking about roster talent? Memphis has as many players on the first team as Houston has. Two players. WTF are you talking about. No we don't have the # 1 class this year. Penny has gone in a different direction. He's done with the Emoni Bates of the world. That's a bad thing?

Akot and Kennedy are not threating players? You got better players to match up against them?

Give it a rest dude. Akot shoots 40 percent from 3. Just stop it. There you go again with the digs.

Houston has no idea what they're going to be this year yet. Maybe they'll be great. Maybe they'll be the Memphis team that couldn't make the NIT.

All I know is you'll be young and Memphis will have seasoned vets. That matters.

houston isnt young... walker is the only non junior+ expected to crack the starters

shead (junior) sasser (senior) mark (junior) walker (freshmen) reggie (5th year) is the projected starting line up (6th/7th man are juniors).. i think you have this misconception that houston is the all freshmen 5star roster that may or may not be good.. houston is a upperclass roster almost guaranteed to have elite defense, that has elite recruit backups

emoni wasnt the only 5star you got, duren & precious? yes not having those guys is a bad thing

i think akot is a good player, i dont see him as a threat-- threat= can take over a game offensively... he was the 3rd-4th scoring option on boise, that was a bad offensive team..akot isnt agile.. against houston i dont think you need to match up in size, he doesnt take many contested 3s even on shorter player .. his biggest skillest is posting player..houston double everyone in the post..but houston has top 40 recruit terrance arcenueax who is a 6'7 guard to akots 6'8 if need be but i doubt it... against top tier defense davis is the only major threat to takeover

and the we have "2 first team players" is such a bad point.. last year i openly said memphis had overwhelming talent over everyone else in the AAC..based on your analysis it was Actually SMU who had 2 top end players (davis & weathers) and a majority senior roster

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I'm not taking either side in this debate about Memphis's schedule.

All I will say is this: If I were a Memphis fan, I might feel a little uneasy (i.e., terrified) about the OOC schedule Memphis has put together this year.

Penny is a high-stakes gambler when it comes to scheduling. He's gambling that playing an extremely tough schedule - - despite having a team with a lot of new personnel - - is going to pay off in terms of NET rankings and the selection committee, even if his team only wins 20 or 21 games, like they did last season. He may well turn out to be right, but this season could be a roller-coaster ride for Memphis fans if his team is depleted by injuries or has a run of bad luck.





He must realize that he's taking a calculated risk, and that it's possible that his gamble won't pay off, given that it wasn't clear until the closing weeks of last season whether the Tigers were going to make the 2022 tournament.

Maybe he likes to live dangerously. Some people are thrill seekers, and maybe he's one. Or, maybe he's wise enough to know that his players will respond better to a challenging schedule than to one with too many "cupcakes."


. . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Those of us who have been around for a while may remember this expression from the ABC Wide World of Sports.

"The thrill of victory and the agony of defeat."













The question some AAC fans are asking about Memphis's 2022-23 season is whether it will turn out to be:

"The thrill of victory and the agony of defeat."

- or -

"The thrill of agony and the victory of defeat?"

.

(07-16-2022 10:37 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-16-2022 10:23 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(07-16-2022 08:29 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  [

COMMENTS:

Houston: With only 3 Q1/Q2 OOC games, their schedule certainly doesn't seem to be built for a #1 tournament seed, although they might still be able to earn a #1 seed by finishing the regular season with 28 or 29+ wins and a good Q1 W-L record.

Tulane: Suprisingly, only has one top 50 team on their OOC schedule so far - and it's a home game. They still have 5 games to add to their schedule, but right now, it's pretty light from a SOS standpoint, and that could hurt them at tournament time unless they meet & surpass all expectations in conference play.

Cincinnati: Their OOC schedule does look pretty light, unless they play 3 Q1 or Q2 games in the Maui Invitational. With a schedule like theirs, they should be able to finish the reg. season with 23-24 wins, but their NET rank may suffer due to their modest SOS.

Temple: The Owls have 6 or 7 Q1/Q2 games on their OOC schedule, although only 2-3 of those games are vs. top 50 teams and only 5-6 are vs. top 100 teams. With a tough conference schedule, Temple could win 20 to 23 regular season games and might be able to make their way into the NIT or the NCAA tournament.

UCF: The Knights have a very challenging OOC schedule for a program that hasn't had a great deal of success since 2019, and they have to play Houston, Memphis, Cincy, and Temple twice (and on the road at Tulane), so their conference schedule will also present them with a lot of challenges.

Reviewing the schedules, it appears very possible that the AAC may be a 3-NCAA-bid conference (e.g., Houston, Memphis & Tulane/Temple/or Cincy) this season, with 2 NIT teams.

It is surprising Sampson did not choose a schedule similar to Memphis. Perhaps he did not have a choice. Otherwise, it edges on insensibility.

he spoke on it, says there's a sense of teams being afraid to play us because of our style of play and how good we've become .. note the nuetral with st joes was supposed to be with a bigger team but no one wanted it
note 1 q1 nuetral is expected to be announced soon ...

plus houston has brand association, on samspon's name alone we will get a 1-2 seed if we are 29+ wins .. the schedule is weak for a fir sure 1 seed, but if you are happy with any "high seed" (1 to 3) then the schedule is fine

Or perhaps Sampson is afraid of the competition unlike Penny? Absent a truth serum, the real reasons are unknown.

(07-17-2022 03:44 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  .

I'm not taking either side in this debate about Memphis's schedule.

All I will say is this: If I were a Memphis fan, I might feel a little uneasy (i.e., terrified) about the OOC schedule Memphis has put together this year.

Penny is a high-stakes gambler when it comes to scheduling. He's gambling that playing an extremely tough schedule - - despite having a team with a lot of new personnel - - is going to pay off in terms of NET rankings and the selection committee, even if his team only wins 20 or 21 games, like they did last season. He may well turn out to be right, but this season could be a roller-coaster ride for Memphis fans if his team is depleted by injuries or has a run of bad luck.





He must realize that he's taking a calculated risk, and that it's possible that his gamble won't pay off, given that it wasn't clear until the closing weeks of last season whether the Tigers were going to make the 2022 tournament.

Maybe he likes to live dangerously. Some people are thrill seekers, and maybe he's one. Or, maybe he's wise enough to know that his players will respond better to a challenging schedule than to one with too many "cupcakes."


. . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Those of us who have been around for a while may remember this expression from the ABC Wide World of Sports.

"The thrill of victory and the agony of defeat."













The question some AAC fans are asking about Memphis's 2022-23 season is whether it will turn out to be:

"The thrill of victory and the agony of defeat."

- or -

"The thrill of agony and the victory of defeat?"

.

Hiding behind a relatively soft schedule will only delay identification and resolution of problems regardless of injuries or bad luck.

(07-16-2022 10:48 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-16-2022 10:20 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  You're a master dig maker. You make these little subtle digs all the time. You think you're clever and you're not. "Memphis has the second worst roster under Penny". Says who...you? Memphis has one of the most mature rosters in the country. They average 23 years old. Most of Penny's teams have been babies in the past. He learned his lesson. He's done with brats.

Now you get to deal with the brats. Let's see how it all plays out.

age doesnt mean talent... you have atleast 1 5star on every your other rosters but the 1st year,

im confused this isnt a dig but simply stating a fact, this is the least touted memphis roster but your 1st year ..this isnt a hot take

year #2 nations best recruiting class
year #3 most of the previous years top players + nolley + deandre + cisse
year #4 nations best recruiting class + top 10 transfer class

which year are you saying this year roster is more talent than??
i feel you guys just take offense to little things

i think your point is memphis will be more mature and thus will win more games, thats fine, but that doesnt mean more talent

But talent does not matter, right? Otherwise, how could Penny best Sampson last year?

(07-17-2022 08:00 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Or perhaps Sampson is afraid of the competition unlike Penny? Absent a truth serum, the real reasons are unknown.

sampson spoke on it flat said they called every projected major team...afraid of competition is almost silly to say.. oregon, Virginia, bama were projected final 4 teams when they were scheduled last year

we blew out virginia and oregon by like 25pts.. common sense states sampson isn't afraid of competition on his projected best team.. so we are clear houston is playing the most preseason top 25 in the conference, its the middle of the schedule that needs work