(07-05-2022 10:44 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 10:23 AM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 09:43 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 07:35 AM)maybeimhere Wrote:  Why does anyone think the PAC is just gonna close shop? There's value in it to the teams that get left behind. Why throw away all that money?

it should be pretty clear now more than ever that at least for ESPN and Fox they are tightening the belt around the content they fully control or know they have a high high probably of continuing to control in the near future and they are adding to that with teams that bring MORE VALUE

they are not out there running around adding teams that bring SIMILAR VALUE or a little less value to get a lot more silly "content" or "markets" to add to the already massive amount of content they have and already do not have time slots for

for any one conference to be the clear one that has stepped above the others it does not matter if any of the other conferences "close shop" (though it would be a benefit) what matters is that conference (and their members) are put in an extremely poor position of being the conference of choice to go on StajiumStreamz3000 for $19.95 a month with games starting at 9:45am their time and 10:45pm central time......and that conference is filled with teams that are clearly going to struggle at the "P" level if that conference is still considered "P" level or is grandfathered in

and maybe they have some ridiculous geography and travel issue to go along with it....better yet if none of them are really happy to be there especially their "top members" and they constantly complain, bash each other, and talk about leaving (with nowhere to go)

what would be bad for a surviving P conference if another one "closed shop" is if that conference closed shop because the surviving one went out there and loaded themselves down with all the dead weight from the dying conference to secure that "content and markets" and to secure a future with a lot of dead weight in your own conference and a lot of complaining about "maybe the best of us should do something"

uh news flash....NOW is the time to do something....LEAVE THE DEAD WEIGHT WHERE IT IS....and if a couple of academic snobs and some "we can do better" or "we do not want to be with those others and never have" types want to hang around with their dead weight and rebuild.....great if I can get a bootleg stream of your games for free I might watch, but I and most others will not be catching you in SportzStrmz5200 for even $7.95 a month and most of your "fans" and those in your "market" will not either

Our old buddy DavidSt posted on the Realignment board that Fresno St. has applied for PAC membership... just throwing it out there...

at this point applications to the PAC 12 and probably the Big 12 are flying in faster than when david boren had his "david needs attention and love" expansion party/pony show

I would expect every MWC member will blow their fax machine up, UTEP, UTSA (probably hear from the mayor of San Antonio), north Texas state, SMU, and probably a dozen more will go public that their application and vitae has been sent in

The smart universities that are actually negotiating for membership will keep their mouths shut and do their talking once announcements are ready to become official. Only universities that are lacking support go public in the faint hopes that publicity might sway a conference's opinion. Hang on this is probably going to get even weirder.

(07-04-2022 01:13 PM)Engblazr Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 12:50 PM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 12:10 PM)Engblazr Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 11:28 AM)bearcat29 Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 11:20 AM)Herdforlife Wrote:  I would have to think the eventual goal of the BIG10 and SEC would have to be two 20 team leagues. Which I would think that would mean the SEC will scoop four out of the ACC (Clemson, FL ST, Miami and VA TECH/NC ST?). To that scenario, who does the ACC backfill with? WVU? UCF? USF? ECU? Memphis? Cincinnati? Who do you guys think? Somebody’s got a chance.

If/when they gut the ACC, I think they may fold the better and geographical teams into the B12.

IF B12 pulls 4 from the PAC, they will be in a strong position to go on the offensive one more time. I think Pitt and UofL will jump to be with old rivals like WVU and UC instead of a made up conference with the leftovers like WF and BC.

I think the American has an opportunity to hopefully be the aggressor, but probably USF, ECU and the stronger east coast teams will have a chance to raise their profile and join a gutted ACC.

I’d like to think UAB has as good of a chance as ECU. Amount of time in American doesn’t mean THAT much. Larger market, more success in basketball (UAB has more sweet 16 than ECU has tourney appearances), more recent success in football, much newer and nicer facilities

ECU is upgrading pretty much all of it's facilities right now, plus has a decently larger fanbase than UAB. Historically one of the better non-power, BCS, etc programs. Has turned it's team around after some bad years. History with a good chunk of the ACC teams that would likely be leftovers. A very good geographic and cultural fit. You'd essentially be replacing one large NC public university with another just down the road.

While Greenville isn't a big market, there's a reason why ECU is the only non-metro school in the AAC. It's an hour from Raleigh and ECU controls most of the Eastern NC market. Unlike other schools in good markets but don't control them.

Your right our basketball sucks though

Not a hit on ECU at all but I was stating that because a lot of the current AAC teams think they’re a top tier pick based, I guess, on being associated with Cincy, Houston, UCF.

Institutionally, UAB has around triple the endowment of ECU. R1 classification. The facilities have pretty much all been renovated at UAB already. Baseball is next but in the meantime we have the nicest minor league stadium in the nation to play larger games at.

Geography and fan base size is definitely on the side of ECU though. And history.

All I am saying is I wouldn’t be shocked if some current American teams weren’t jumped by UAB

clt says that is an absurd statement. Truist Field in Charlotte> whatever birmingham al has

(07-05-2022 01:32 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 01:13 PM)Engblazr Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 12:50 PM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 12:10 PM)Engblazr Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 11:28 AM)bearcat29 Wrote:  If/when they gut the ACC, I think they may fold the better and geographical teams into the B12.

IF B12 pulls 4 from the PAC, they will be in a strong position to go on the offensive one more time. I think Pitt and UofL will jump to be with old rivals like WVU and UC instead of a made up conference with the leftovers like WF and BC.

I think the American has an opportunity to hopefully be the aggressor, but probably USF, ECU and the stronger east coast teams will have a chance to raise their profile and join a gutted ACC.

I’d like to think UAB has as good of a chance as ECU. Amount of time in American doesn’t mean THAT much. Larger market, more success in basketball (UAB has more sweet 16 than ECU has tourney appearances), more recent success in football, much newer and nicer facilities

ECU is upgrading pretty much all of it's facilities right now, plus has a decently larger fanbase than UAB. Historically one of the better non-power, BCS, etc programs. Has turned it's team around after some bad years. History with a good chunk of the ACC teams that would likely be leftovers. A very good geographic and cultural fit. You'd essentially be replacing one large NC public university with another just down the road.

While Greenville isn't a big market, there's a reason why ECU is the only non-metro school in the AAC. It's an hour from Raleigh and ECU controls most of the Eastern NC market. Unlike other schools in good markets but don't control them.

Your right our basketball sucks though

Not a hit on ECU at all but I was stating that because a lot of the current AAC teams think they’re a top tier pick based, I guess, on being associated with Cincy, Houston, UCF.

Institutionally, UAB has around triple the endowment of ECU. R1 classification. The facilities have pretty much all been renovated at UAB already. Baseball is next but in the meantime we have the nicest minor league stadium in the nation to play larger games at.

Geography and fan base size is definitely on the side of ECU though. And history.

All I am saying is I wouldn’t be shocked if some current American teams weren’t jumped by UAB

clt says that is an absurd statement. Truist Field in Charlotte> whatever birmingham al has

that's a great setting.

(07-05-2022 01:36 PM)Meatwad Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 01:32 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 01:13 PM)Engblazr Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 12:50 PM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 12:10 PM)Engblazr Wrote:  I’d like to think UAB has as good of a chance as ECU. Amount of time in American doesn’t mean THAT much. Larger market, more success in basketball (UAB has more sweet 16 than ECU has tourney appearances), more recent success in football, much newer and nicer facilities

ECU is upgrading pretty much all of it's facilities right now, plus has a decently larger fanbase than UAB. Historically one of the better non-power, BCS, etc programs. Has turned it's team around after some bad years. History with a good chunk of the ACC teams that would likely be leftovers. A very good geographic and cultural fit. You'd essentially be replacing one large NC public university with another just down the road.

While Greenville isn't a big market, there's a reason why ECU is the only non-metro school in the AAC. It's an hour from Raleigh and ECU controls most of the Eastern NC market. Unlike other schools in good markets but don't control them.

Your right our basketball sucks though

Not a hit on ECU at all but I was stating that because a lot of the current AAC teams think they’re a top tier pick based, I guess, on being associated with Cincy, Houston, UCF.

Institutionally, UAB has around triple the endowment of ECU. R1 classification. The facilities have pretty much all been renovated at UAB already. Baseball is next but in the meantime we have the nicest minor league stadium in the nation to play larger games at.

Geography and fan base size is definitely on the side of ECU though. And history.

All I am saying is I wouldn’t be shocked if some current American teams weren’t jumped by UAB

clt says that is an absurd statement. Truist Field in Charlotte> whatever birmingham al has

that's a great setting.

clt says thanks meatwad.

(07-05-2022 02:38 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 01:36 PM)Meatwad Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 01:32 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 01:13 PM)Engblazr Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 12:50 PM)CLTPirate Wrote:  ECU is upgrading pretty much all of it's facilities right now, plus has a decently larger fanbase than UAB. Historically one of the better non-power, BCS, etc programs. Has turned it's team around after some bad years. History with a good chunk of the ACC teams that would likely be leftovers. A very good geographic and cultural fit. You'd essentially be replacing one large NC public university with another just down the road.

While Greenville isn't a big market, there's a reason why ECU is the only non-metro school in the AAC. It's an hour from Raleigh and ECU controls most of the Eastern NC market. Unlike other schools in good markets but don't control them.

Your right our basketball sucks though

Not a hit on ECU at all but I was stating that because a lot of the current AAC teams think they’re a top tier pick based, I guess, on being associated with Cincy, Houston, UCF.

Institutionally, UAB has around triple the endowment of ECU. R1 classification. The facilities have pretty much all been renovated at UAB already. Baseball is next but in the meantime we have the nicest minor league stadium in the nation to play larger games at.

Geography and fan base size is definitely on the side of ECU though. And history.

All I am saying is I wouldn’t be shocked if some current American teams weren’t jumped by UAB

clt says that is an absurd statement. Truist Field in Charlotte> whatever birmingham al has

that's a great setting.

clt says thanks meatwad.

Charlotte UAB ECU fans all battling out to see who is the tallest midget

Hmmm. Colorado's Board of Regents scheduled a closed Special Executive Seasion meeting this evening.

https://regents.cu.edu/

OK??? Who's our new conference mates????

(07-05-2022 03:31 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Hmmm. Colorado's Board of Regents scheduled a closed Special Executive Seasion meeting this evening.

https://regents.cu.edu/

SEC invite?

Probably discussing urgent on campus parking issues.

(07-04-2022 11:20 AM)Herdforlife Wrote:  I would have to think the eventual goal of the BIG10 and SEC would have to be two 20 team leagues. Which I would think that would mean the SEC will scoop four out of the ACC (Clemson, FL ST, Miami and VA TECH/NC ST?). To that scenario, who does the ACC backfill with? WVU? UCF? USF? ECU? Memphis? Cincinnati? Who do you guys think? Somebody’s got a chance.

The ACC isn’t doing anything for several years according to the pundits. So relax.

None of us will make the 40-48 team Tier-1 group. Now its all about getting as much $ as you can.

(07-04-2022 08:11 PM)otown Wrote:  Every conference has dead weight that simply cashes checks. This includes all current P5 conferences. There is no way the Big 12 is gonna take all the PAC dead weight in a full merger. They will pick the ones they want that are not destined for the B1G. That's how leverage works. I know many on here couldn't fathom that the PAC was in a weaker position, but here we are.

Great point. However, what’s so interesting is that the SEC and Big 10 have equal revenue sharing. It works. When you get into non-equal revenue sharing it causes even more angst. Look at Texas and Texas A&M

(07-05-2022 02:46 PM)shocknawe Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 02:38 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 01:36 PM)Meatwad Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 01:32 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 01:13 PM)Engblazr Wrote:  Not a hit on ECU at all but I was stating that because a lot of the current AAC teams think they’re a top tier pick based, I guess, on being associated with Cincy, Houston, UCF.

Institutionally, UAB has around triple the endowment of ECU. R1 classification. The facilities have pretty much all been renovated at UAB already. Baseball is next but in the meantime we have the nicest minor league stadium in the nation to play larger games at.

Geography and fan base size is definitely on the side of ECU though. And history.

All I am saying is I wouldn’t be shocked if some current American teams weren’t jumped by UAB

clt says that is an absurd statement. Truist Field in Charlotte> whatever birmingham al has

that's a great setting.

clt says thanks meatwad.

Charlotte UAB ECU fans all battling out to see who is the tallest midget

clt says Diego says hi,

(07-05-2022 11:38 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 10:53 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 10:23 AM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 09:43 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 07:35 AM)maybeimhere Wrote:  Why does anyone think the PAC is just gonna close shop? There's value in it to the teams that get left behind. Why throw away all that money?

it should be pretty clear now more than ever that at least for ESPN and Fox they are tightening the belt around the content they fully control or know they have a high high probably of continuing to control in the near future and they are adding to that with teams that bring MORE VALUE

they are not out there running around adding teams that bring SIMILAR VALUE or a little less value to get a lot more silly "content" or "markets" to add to the already massive amount of content they have and already do not have time slots for

for any one conference to be the clear one that has stepped above the others it does not matter if any of the other conferences "close shop" (though it would be a benefit) what matters is that conference (and their members) are put in an extremely poor position of being the conference of choice to go on StajiumStreamz3000 for $19.95 a month with games starting at 9:45am their time and 10:45pm central time......and that conference is filled with teams that are clearly going to struggle at the "P" level if that conference is still considered "P" level or is grandfathered in

and maybe they have some ridiculous geography and travel issue to go along with it....better yet if none of them are really happy to be there especially their "top members" and they constantly complain, bash each other, and talk about leaving (with nowhere to go)

what would be bad for a surviving P conference if another one "closed shop" is if that conference closed shop because the surviving one went out there and loaded themselves down with all the dead weight from the dying conference to secure that "content and markets" and to secure a future with a lot of dead weight in your own conference and a lot of complaining about "maybe the best of us should do something"

uh news flash....NOW is the time to do something....LEAVE THE DEAD WEIGHT WHERE IT IS....and if a couple of academic snobs and some "we can do better" or "we do not want to be with those others and never have" types want to hang around with their dead weight and rebuild.....great if I can get a bootleg stream of your games for free I might watch, but I and most others will not be catching you in SportzStrmz5200 for even $7.95 a month and most of your "fans" and those in your "market" will not either

Our old buddy DavidSt posted on the Realignment board that Fresno St. has applied for PAC membership... just throwing it out there...

I'm pretty sure that David also believes that Portland State and Azusa Pacific have also "applied" for PAC membership and that "it's only a matter of time" until they are announced.

they will be in the POD with The Claremont Colleges and Pepperdine

....bring back Pacific! Home of the Occidental Tiger and other cool logos...

(07-04-2022 04:38 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  If the B12 could grab “the four corners” it would be tremendous. It would be a fun conference for sure.

I am willing to bet that what we’ll most likely see discussed is something even more exciting: a merger of both conferences

With that being said, so much depends on who’s left in the PAC. If there are no further defections, the PAC may wind up being the ones who do the raiding. We also need to see how the ACC responds to all of this.

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I'm not sure the ACC can expand without risking the GOR.

(07-06-2022 07:58 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 04:38 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  If the B12 could grab “the four corners” it would be tremendous. It would be a fun conference for sure.

I am willing to bet that what we’ll most likely see discussed is something even more exciting: a merger of both conferences

With that being said, so much depends on who’s left in the PAC. If there are no further defections, the PAC may wind up being the ones who do the raiding. We also need to see how the ACC responds to all of this.

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I'm not sure the ACC can expand without risking the GOR.

I had asked about this previously and either no one has replied or I missed it: would the GOR be nullified if the ACC expanded?

I guess it would be clearly stated either way but I don’t get why someone would write such a clause into a contract. If members can benefit by expanding why would they make it hard to do so?

Arguments can be made both ways.

The GOR is such a novel contractual device that to my knowledge it's never been directly addressed by courts. Nobody is entirely sure how it would be interpreted by a court. That kind of uncertainty makes parties freeze in the headlights.

It's tailor made for a suit for a declaratory judgment but my guess is nobody really wants to risk finding out the answers go against their interest.

(07-06-2022 09:49 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Arguments can be made both ways.

The GOR is such a novel contractual device that to my knowledge it's never been directly addressed by courts. Nobody is entirely sure how it would be interpreted by a court. That kind of uncertainty makes parties freeze in the headlights.

It's tailor made for a suit for a declaratory judgment but my guess is nobody really wants to risk finding out the answers go against their interest.

Thanks for the reply. The only thing I have to add is that the signers of such a contract should be shot in public if they agreed to something while not knowing the risks. Geesh.

(07-06-2022 10:21 AM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(07-06-2022 09:49 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Arguments can be made both ways.

The GOR is such a novel contractual device that to my knowledge it's never been directly addressed by courts. Nobody is entirely sure how it would be interpreted by a court. That kind of uncertainty makes parties freeze in the headlights.

It's tailor made for a suit for a declaratory judgment but my guess is nobody really wants to risk finding out the answers go against their interest.

Thanks for the reply. The only thing I have to add is that the signers of such a contract should be shot in public if they agreed to something while not knowing the risks. Geesh.

If every conference had long term GORs, none of this would be happening because they work. But then, message boards would die instead.