I would have to think the eventual goal of the BIG10 and SEC would have to be two 20 team leagues. Which I would think that would mean the SEC will scoop four out of the ACC (Clemson, FL ST, Miami and VA TECH/NC ST?). To that scenario, who does the ACC backfill with? WVU? UCF? USF? ECU? Memphis? Cincinnati? Who do you guys think? Somebody’s got a chance.

(07-04-2022 11:20 AM)Herdforlife Wrote:  I would have to think the eventual goal of the BIG10 and SEC would have to be two 20 team leagues. Which I would think that would mean the SEC will scoop four out of the ACC (Clemson, FL ST, Miami and VA TECH/NC ST?). To that scenario, who does the ACC backfill with? WVU? UCF? USF? ECU? Memphis? Cincinnati? Who do you guys think? Somebody’s got a chance.

If/when they gut the ACC, I think they may fold the better and geographical teams into the B12.

IF B12 pulls 4 from the PAC, they will be in a strong position to go on the offensive one more time. I think Pitt and UofL will jump to be with old rivals like WVU and UC instead of a made up conference with the leftovers like WF and BC.

I think the American has an opportunity to hopefully be the aggressor, but probably USF, ECU and the stronger east coast teams will have a chance to raise their profile and join a gutted ACC.

(07-03-2022 10:19 PM)bearcat29 Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 10:03 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 09:47 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  We're going to get beat out by Mountain West teams. Unfrikkenreal.

What do you mean? If 4 PAC 12 teams join the Big 12, you're not going to get beaten out of the Big 12 by MWC teams.

Let's slow this down, take it step by step...

If they lose 4 teams to the Big 12, there would be 6 PAC 12 "remainers." The PAC 12 would have to reload with at least 6 quality schools at that point. They would probably take 4 to 6 of the best MWC schools. In addition, they might grab a couple of the best available schools to the east, and it's conceivable that they might invite Memphis to join the PAC-12.

Another possibility is that, after losing 4-6 schools to the PAC-12, Air Force would apply for membership in the AAC, and ESPN would see that as a good business proposition for them. It's hard to imagine the AAC refusing a membership to Air Force. For all we know, Colorado State might come along with Air Force, if they haven't been snapped up by the PAC-12.

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Stanford goes to b10. Oregon and Washington if they cant get to the b10 they go to B12 or ACC. Cal folds their team. WSU and OSU are probably MWC.

Media that follows the PAC 12 have indicated that Cal facilities are some of the absolute worst in the conference and college football. The only attractive things about them are their cheerleaders and AAU status.

(07-03-2022 10:48 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 10:00 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 09:46 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  That craters us. Enjoy everyone. We get to stay in the land of misfit toys. F-this.

Dude...

If this actually happens, the B12 is going to have to balance out the"East." Memphis is still very much alive and kicking. Maybe even in a stronger position since the "West" question will be answered.

Our only chance in is if the B12 goes to 20. But I guarantee you the B12 will say we're done expanding for now while they're at 18. You can set your watch to it. We've had those F'ers put that carrot in front of us for years.

AAC isn't going to change because of that ridiculous GOR. Maybe they go to 20. Who knows. I'm sure Duke will jump in to ****-block us.

It's over. We're done. I'll get to spend more time with family though.

Not a chance. Big 12 will get to 20 within the year. Gotta keep up with the SEC and B1G. We will definitely be little brother, maybe even nephew, but we will still need to keep up.

(07-04-2022 11:28 AM)bearcat29 Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 11:20 AM)Herdforlife Wrote:  I would have to think the eventual goal of the BIG10 and SEC would have to be two 20 team leagues. Which I would think that would mean the SEC will scoop four out of the ACC (Clemson, FL ST, Miami and VA TECH/NC ST?). To that scenario, who does the ACC backfill with? WVU? UCF? USF? ECU? Memphis? Cincinnati? Who do you guys think? Somebody’s got a chance.

If/when they gut the ACC, I think they may fold the better and geographical teams into the B12.

IF B12 pulls 4 from the PAC, they will be in a strong position to go on the offensive one more time. I think Pitt and UofL will jump to be with old rivals like WVU and UC instead of a made up conference with the leftovers like WF and BC.

I think the American has an opportunity to hopefully be the aggressor, but probably USF, ECU and the stronger east coast teams will have a chance to raise their profile and join a gutted ACC.

I’d like to think UAB has as good of a chance as ECU. Amount of time in American doesn’t mean THAT much. Larger market, more success in basketball (UAB has more sweet 16 than ECU has tourney appearances), more recent success in football, much newer and nicer facilities

I don't see the PAC losing more than 6 right now (USC and UCLA to B1G. Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Utah to Big XII). I don't think that Stanford, Cal, Washington, or Oregon are worth enough to pay for their own $120 mil a year cost to the B1G. Maybe Stanford if that is what it takes to lure Notre Dame.

I think the PAC will survive and target programs with good academics over straight athletic additions.

Rice, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, AFA, Colorado State, SDSU, etc.

I don't think they take Boise State unless they are down to only Washington State and Oregon State. Stanford and Cal will want to associate with peers (or as close to it as they can get). The added benefit for the PAC would be getting into new markets and time zones.

(07-04-2022 11:38 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 10:19 PM)bearcat29 Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 10:03 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 09:47 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  We're going to get beat out by Mountain West teams. Unfrikkenreal.

What do you mean? If 4 PAC 12 teams join the Big 12, you're not going to get beaten out of the Big 12 by MWC teams.

Let's slow this down, take it step by step...

If they lose 4 teams to the Big 12, there would be 6 PAC 12 "remainers." The PAC 12 would have to reload with at least 6 quality schools at that point. They would probably take 4 to 6 of the best MWC schools. In addition, they might grab a couple of the best available schools to the east, and it's conceivable that they might invite Memphis to join the PAC-12.

Another possibility is that, after losing 4-6 schools to the PAC-12, Air Force would apply for membership in the AAC, and ESPN would see that as a good business proposition for them. It's hard to imagine the AAC refusing a membership to Air Force. For all we know, Colorado State might come along with Air Force, if they haven't been snapped up by the PAC-12.

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Stanford goes to b10. Oregon and Washington if they cant get to the b10 they go to B12 or ACC. Cal folds their team. WSU and OSU are probably MWC.

Media that follows the PAC 12 have indicated that Cal facilities are some of the absolute worst in the conference and college football. The only attractive things about them are their cheerleaders and AAU status.

This is true - I was surprised with how crappy their stadium is.

This is going to blow up in the new big 12s face.

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(07-04-2022 12:10 PM)Engblazr Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 11:28 AM)bearcat29 Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 11:20 AM)Herdforlife Wrote:  I would have to think the eventual goal of the BIG10 and SEC would have to be two 20 team leagues. Which I would think that would mean the SEC will scoop four out of the ACC (Clemson, FL ST, Miami and VA TECH/NC ST?). To that scenario, who does the ACC backfill with? WVU? UCF? USF? ECU? Memphis? Cincinnati? Who do you guys think? Somebody’s got a chance.

If/when they gut the ACC, I think they may fold the better and geographical teams into the B12.

IF B12 pulls 4 from the PAC, they will be in a strong position to go on the offensive one more time. I think Pitt and UofL will jump to be with old rivals like WVU and UC instead of a made up conference with the leftovers like WF and BC.

I think the American has an opportunity to hopefully be the aggressor, but probably USF, ECU and the stronger east coast teams will have a chance to raise their profile and join a gutted ACC.

I’d like to think UAB has as good of a chance as ECU. Amount of time in American doesn’t mean THAT much. Larger market, more success in basketball (UAB has more sweet 16 than ECU has tourney appearances), more recent success in football, much newer and nicer facilities

ECU is upgrading pretty much all of it's facilities right now, plus has a decently larger fanbase than UAB. Historically one of the better non-power, BCS, etc programs. Has turned it's team around after some bad years. History with a good chunk of the ACC teams that would likely be leftovers. A very good geographic and cultural fit. You'd essentially be replacing one large NC public university with another just down the road.

While Greenville isn't a big market, there's a reason why ECU is the only non-metro school in the AAC. It's an hour from Raleigh and ECU controls most of the Eastern NC market. Unlike other schools in good markets but don't control them.

Your right our basketball sucks though

(07-04-2022 12:41 PM)b2b Wrote:  This is going to blow up in the new big 12s face.

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Why, they are taking logical steps?

That's just hope talking.

Even if the B12 stays pat for now, the PAC has been neutered as a threat to go after any current or incoming B12 programs. Nobody is answering that call.

(07-04-2022 12:50 PM)CLTPirate Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 12:10 PM)Engblazr Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 11:28 AM)bearcat29 Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 11:20 AM)Herdforlife Wrote:  I would have to think the eventual goal of the BIG10 and SEC would have to be two 20 team leagues. Which I would think that would mean the SEC will scoop four out of the ACC (Clemson, FL ST, Miami and VA TECH/NC ST?). To that scenario, who does the ACC backfill with? WVU? UCF? USF? ECU? Memphis? Cincinnati? Who do you guys think? Somebody’s got a chance.

If/when they gut the ACC, I think they may fold the better and geographical teams into the B12.

IF B12 pulls 4 from the PAC, they will be in a strong position to go on the offensive one more time. I think Pitt and UofL will jump to be with old rivals like WVU and UC instead of a made up conference with the leftovers like WF and BC.

I think the American has an opportunity to hopefully be the aggressor, but probably USF, ECU and the stronger east coast teams will have a chance to raise their profile and join a gutted ACC.

I’d like to think UAB has as good of a chance as ECU. Amount of time in American doesn’t mean THAT much. Larger market, more success in basketball (UAB has more sweet 16 than ECU has tourney appearances), more recent success in football, much newer and nicer facilities

ECU is upgrading pretty much all of it's facilities right now, plus has a decently larger fanbase than UAB. Historically one of the better non-power, BCS, etc programs. Has turned it's team around after some bad years. History with a good chunk of the ACC teams that would likely be leftovers. A very good geographic and cultural fit. You'd essentially be replacing one large NC public university with another just down the road.

While Greenville isn't a big market, there's a reason why ECU is the only non-metro school in the AAC. It's an hour from Raleigh and ECU controls most of the Eastern NC market. Unlike other schools in good markets but don't control them.

Your right our basketball sucks though

Not a hit on ECU at all but I was stating that because a lot of the current AAC teams think they’re a top tier pick based, I guess, on being associated with Cincy, Houston, UCF.

Institutionally, UAB has around triple the endowment of ECU. R1 classification. The facilities have pretty much all been renovated at UAB already. Baseball is next but in the meantime we have the nicest minor league stadium in the nation to play larger games at.

Geography and fan base size is definitely on the side of ECU though. And history.

All I am saying is I wouldn’t be shocked if some current American teams weren’t jumped by UAB

If you look around, everyone is talking to everyone.. Remaining PAC teams are talking about sticking together and now Big 12 targeting 4 teams. But, I sure PAC are talking about poaching MW and/or Big 12. Rumor of ACC talking to PAC teams.
No one is seriously talking unless tv executives are present.

(07-03-2022 09:46 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  That craters us. Enjoy everyone. We get to stay in the land of misfit toys. F-this.

Shocknawe agrees that Memphis is screwed if there are teams from Pac 12 interested in joining the Big 12. Big 12 can add and then wait out to see what happens in the ACC and Oregon etc. Why would they add Memphis or anyone outside the Power 5 until that all shakes out? Shocknawe likes Memphis but this Memphis Yankee is correct in his opinion. Shocknawe also would have zero interest in his Bearcats playing ECU or UNC Charlotte in anything after this season b/c the fan bases are so lacking in hygiene and believe incest is acceptable

if the 10 others extended their GOR then they're stuck...

(07-04-2022 12:41 PM)b2b Wrote:  This is going to blow up in the new big 12s face.

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He's right.

The AAC has been in secret negotiations and will announce the additions of Alabama, Ohio State, Texas and Notre Dame tomorrow.

And they're never letting UC, Houston and UCF back in!!!

(07-03-2022 11:45 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 10:00 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 09:46 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  That craters us. Enjoy everyone. We get to stay in the land of misfit toys. F-this.

Dude...

If this actually happens, the B12 is going to have to balance out the"East." Memphis is still very much alive and kicking. Maybe even in a stronger position since the "West" question will be answered.

I don't know brother. I don't know. Looks like we're still going to be digging ditches.

U ain’t sufferin alone bro.

(07-04-2022 02:10 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

if the 10 others extended their GOR then they're stuck...

Im skeptical that any schools lawyers would have signed such a GOR extension without a rider that indicates its only enforceable if every school in the conference signs the extension. The main value of a GOR for a conference is it prevents the loss of the leagues best assets. The fact at least 6 schools that supposedly signed the document are talking to other conferences tells me that the document (assuming such a GOR extension even exists) is likely not a significant barrier to exit.

(07-04-2022 09:50 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 10:03 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-03-2022 09:47 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  We're going to get beat out by Mountain West teams. Unfrikkenreal.

I think the PAC survives this as a much weaker conference, with a few new additions from the MWC and some AAC west programs.

Starting to get a bit more nervous about this scenario where even three remaining PAC members (Cal, Oregon State, and Washington State) could rebuild with the best MWC and AAC West programs. Then when the SEC guts the ACC, the ACC backfills with the best AAC East programs.

I expect the SEC, BIG10, & Big12 will all snatch up ACC programs. Does the ACC have any programs as low as Oregon State or Washington State? Seems to me the P5's west of the Rockies care more about their football. But it seems some programs always get left out in the cold. So if some ACC programs do get left out, I could see them absorbing the better AAC programs that are left.

As for the MWC programs, I think only San Diego State is a lock. UNLV has Vegas, so maybe they are the second best MWC candidate. But after that, I don't see anyone with better prospects than what the AAC Texas markets offer.

(07-04-2022 02:31 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 02:10 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

if the 10 others extended their GOR then they're stuck...

Im skeptical that any schools lawyers would have signed such a GOR extension without a rider that indicates its only enforceable if every school in the conference signs the extension. The main value of a GOR for a conference is it prevents the loss of the leagues best assets. The fact at least 6 schools that supposedly signed the document are talking to other conferences tells me that the document (assuming such a GOR extension even exists) is likely not a significant barrier to exit.

This is Nonbinding Contract. You cant have some of the members sign the contract but not all. If the LA schools decided not to sign the contract, that makes the contract null and void so therefore it doesn't exist. The teams that are leaving is because this doesn't exist.