Quote:A Betrayed Maroon@MBEmpower

Black Men this is your reminder that in 2010 Kamala Harris extended the sentence of Caramad Conley for a murder he didn't commit. Nearly 20 yrs of his life gone.

In 2007, she also sent Jamal Trulove to prison for six years for a murder he didn't commit.

Kamala hates Black Men

Quote:CJ G@cjgproduxions·Jul 21
Replying to @TorraineWalker
Black Men for Harris 2024!!!
1:20 PM · Jul 22, 2024

wait, wait...many Democrat Leaders don't want to hear the truth, just wait as the media washes evidence of their crimes against black folks away yet again...then it ok, right?...

(07-27-2024 11:37 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

Quote:Meghan's Towel@MeghansTowel

#BlackTwitter nothing wrong with #KamalaHarris being from #India but there is something wrong with legacy media deceiving you. #KamalaHarrisIsNotBlack

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8:24 PM · Jul 24, 2024

Anyone can see True Dat.

What does this even mean?

She was born in Oakland, he father is black, and her mother is Indian.

(07-27-2024 11:17 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-27-2024 10:24 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-27-2024 10:27 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  OO said that Kamala screwed up by not giving a 100% rubber-stamp publicly to Netanyahu.

I said she screwed up by not adhering to the points agree upon privately. It is a basic point of diplomacy to talk about what was agreed and not go off the reservation with other points..

You are taking the word for the Israeli spokesman as to what was said between Kamala and Netanyahu. I mean… maybe… but certainly this dude has an agenda.

If she had stuck to discussing what had been agreed upon, he would have no complaint. What agenda do you imagine he has? When you go out for photo ops, that is the time to publicize the agreements you came to, not to bring up other points for domestic political purposes.

(07-28-2024 09:47 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-27-2024 11:17 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-27-2024 10:24 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-27-2024 10:27 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  OO said that Kamala screwed up by not giving a 100% rubber-stamp publicly to Netanyahu.

I said she screwed up by not adhering to the points agree upon privately. It is a basic point of diplomacy to talk about what was agreed and not go off the reservation with other points..

You are taking the word for the Israeli spokesman as to what was said between Kamala and Netanyahu. I mean… maybe… but certainly this dude has an agenda.

If she had stuck to discussing what had been agreed upon, he would have no complaint. What agenda do you imagine he has? When you go out for photo ops, that is the time to publicize the agreements you came to, not to bring up other points for domestic political purposes.

Hahahahaha. Who is the saying that she didn’t stick to what was discussed. Again, you are taking one side of the story but not the other side. And maybe her comments were a calculated message to the Israeli government that the United States is not satisfied with the discussions date and we are not going to roll over. Who knows? Nobody on this forum

I just think that this doesn’t make sense that you are so completely sure that this was a screwup when it comes to Diplomacy 101. Like a violation of the praise in public scold in private leadership mantra. Perhaps Israel was completely uninterested in listening to any of our concerns and the decision was made to send this message that we were not going to do their bidding regardless.

(07-28-2024 10:18 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-28-2024 09:47 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-27-2024 11:17 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-27-2024 10:24 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-27-2024 10:27 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  OO said that Kamala screwed up by not giving a 100% rubber-stamp publicly to Netanyahu.

I said she screwed up by not adhering to the points agree upon privately. It is a basic point of diplomacy to talk about what was agreed and not go off the reservation with other points..

You are taking the word for the Israeli spokesman as to what was said between Kamala and Netanyahu. I mean… maybe… but certainly this dude has an agenda.

If she had stuck to discussing what had been agreed upon, he would have no complaint. What agenda do you imagine he has? When you go out for photo ops, that is the time to publicize the agreements you came to, not to bring up other points for domestic political purposes.

Hahahahaha. Who is the saying that she didn’t stick to what was discussed. Again, you are taking one side of the story but not the other side. And maybe her comments were a calculated message to the Israeli government that the United States is not satisfied with the discussions date and we are not going to roll over. Who knows? Nobody on this forum

I just think that this doesn’t make sense that you are so completely sure that this was a screwup when it comes to Diplomacy 101. Like a violation of the praise in public scold in private leadership mantra. Perhaps Israel was completely uninterested in listening to any of our concerns and the decision was made to send this message that we were not going to do their bidding regardless.

Say Netanyahu and Harris were out there to announce agreements on humanitarian aid, then Netayahu gratuitously throws in some comments about Harris enabling rioters. Would that be a diplomatic screw up? Or just "not rubberstamping", in your lingo.

When two heads of state go out to face the press, they need to have confidence in what the other side will say. Do you think any head of state has confidence now in Harris? Maybe the head of Hamas.

(07-28-2024 10:18 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-28-2024 09:47 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-27-2024 11:17 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-27-2024 10:24 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-27-2024 10:27 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  OO said that Kamala screwed up by not giving a 100% rubber-stamp publicly to Netanyahu.

I said she screwed up by not adhering to the points agree upon privately. It is a basic point of diplomacy to talk about what was agreed and not go off the reservation with other points..

You are taking the word for the Israeli spokesman as to what was said between Kamala and Netanyahu. I mean… maybe… but certainly this dude has an agenda.

If she had stuck to discussing what had been agreed upon, he would have no complaint. What agenda do you imagine he has? When you go out for photo ops, that is the time to publicize the agreements you came to, not to bring up other points for domestic political purposes.

Hahahahaha. Who is the saying that she didn’t stick to what was discussed. Again, you are taking one side of the story but not the other side. And maybe her comments were a calculated message to the Israeli government that the United States is not satisfied with the discussions date and we are not going to roll over. Who knows? Nobody on this forum

I just think that this doesn’t make sense that you are so completely sure that this was a screwup when it comes to Diplomacy 101. Like a violation of the praise in public scold in private leadership mantra. Perhaps Israel was completely uninterested in listening to any of our concerns and the decision was made to send this message that we were not going to do their bidding regardless.

That's just it. Who's knows what she's doing? Nobody on this board knows, the Israeli government no longer trusts her, and even Blue Team voters have to admit they aren't sure what she's up to - or even if she knows what she's doing. It's not a good look, and neither is publicly backstabbing an ally.

Quote: publicly backstabbing an ally.

THAT is a screw up.

(07-28-2024 10:18 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  Who is the saying that she didn’t stick to what was discussed.

Israel

citizenship for illegals

(07-28-2024 12:10 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(07-28-2024 10:18 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-28-2024 09:47 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-27-2024 11:17 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-27-2024 10:24 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I said she screwed up by not adhering to the points agree upon privately. It is a basic point of diplomacy to talk about what was agreed and not go off the reservation with other points..

You are taking the word for the Israeli spokesman as to what was said between Kamala and Netanyahu. I mean… maybe… but certainly this dude has an agenda.

If she had stuck to discussing what had been agreed upon, he would have no complaint. What agenda do you imagine he has? When you go out for photo ops, that is the time to publicize the agreements you came to, not to bring up other points for domestic political purposes.

Hahahahaha. Who is the saying that she didn’t stick to what was discussed. Again, you are taking one side of the story but not the other side. And maybe her comments were a calculated message to the Israeli government that the United States is not satisfied with the discussions date and we are not going to roll over. Who knows? Nobody on this forum

I just think that this doesn’t make sense that you are so completely sure that this was a screwup when it comes to Diplomacy 101. Like a violation of the praise in public scold in private leadership mantra. Perhaps Israel was completely uninterested in listening to any of our concerns and the decision was made to send this message that we were not going to do their bidding regardless.

That's just it. Who's knows what she's doing? Nobody on this board knows, the Israeli government no longer trusts her, and even Blue Team voters have to admit they aren't sure what she's up to - or even if she knows what she's doing. It's not a good look, and neither is publicly backstabbing an ally.

It takes two to tango. No one knows what Israel is doing in the same vein. I’m more apt to believe Harris’ statement because the Israeli government’s support at home and abroad is plummeting and they view the US Republican Party as the group most likely to support them without conditions. At least, that’s my take on the situation.

It doesn’t make much sense for Harris to either flub or to intentionally deviate.

(07-28-2024 12:58 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-28-2024 12:10 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(07-28-2024 10:18 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-28-2024 09:47 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-27-2024 11:17 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  You are taking the word for the Israeli spokesman as to what was said between Kamala and Netanyahu. I mean… maybe… but certainly this dude has an agenda.

If she had stuck to discussing what had been agreed upon, he would have no complaint. What agenda do you imagine he has? When you go out for photo ops, that is the time to publicize the agreements you came to, not to bring up other points for domestic political purposes.

Hahahahaha. Who is the saying that she didn’t stick to what was discussed. Again, you are taking one side of the story but not the other side. And maybe her comments were a calculated message to the Israeli government that the United States is not satisfied with the discussions date and we are not going to roll over. Who knows? Nobody on this forum

I just think that this doesn’t make sense that you are so completely sure that this was a screwup when it comes to Diplomacy 101. Like a violation of the praise in public scold in private leadership mantra. Perhaps Israel was completely uninterested in listening to any of our concerns and the decision was made to send this message that we were not going to do their bidding regardless.

That's just it. Who's knows what she's doing? Nobody on this board knows, the Israeli government no longer trusts her, and even Blue Team voters have to admit they aren't sure what she's up to - or even if she knows what she's doing. It's not a good look, and neither is publicly backstabbing an ally.

It takes two to tango. No one knows what Israel is doing in the same vein. I’m more apt to believe Harris’ statement because the Israeli government’s support at home and abroad is plummeting and they view the US Republican Party as the group most likely to support them without conditions. At least, that’s my take on the situation.

It doesn’t make much sense for Harris to either flub or to intentionally deviate.

And when one of them breaks into a fox trot....?

Agree with your last sentence. At least the latter clause. But why assume she is being logical?

(07-28-2024 12:58 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-28-2024 12:10 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(07-28-2024 10:18 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-28-2024 09:47 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-27-2024 11:17 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  You are taking the word for the Israeli spokesman as to what was said between Kamala and Netanyahu. I mean… maybe… but certainly this dude has an agenda.

If she had stuck to discussing what had been agreed upon, he would have no complaint. What agenda do you imagine he has? When you go out for photo ops, that is the time to publicize the agreements you came to, not to bring up other points for domestic political purposes.

Hahahahaha. Who is the saying that she didn’t stick to what was discussed. Again, you are taking one side of the story but not the other side. And maybe her comments were a calculated message to the Israeli government that the United States is not satisfied with the discussions date and we are not going to roll over. Who knows? Nobody on this forum

I just think that this doesn’t make sense that you are so completely sure that this was a screwup when it comes to Diplomacy 101. Like a violation of the praise in public scold in private leadership mantra. Perhaps Israel was completely uninterested in listening to any of our concerns and the decision was made to send this message that we were not going to do their bidding regardless.

That's just it. Who's knows what she's doing? Nobody on this board knows, the Israeli government no longer trusts her, and even Blue Team voters have to admit they aren't sure what she's up to - or even if she knows what she's doing. It's not a good look, and neither is publicly backstabbing an ally.

It takes two to tango. No one knows what Israel is doing in the same vein. I’m more apt to believe Harris’ statement because the Israeli government’s support at home and abroad is plummeting and they view the US Republican Party as the group most likely to support them without conditions. At least, that’s my take on the situation.

It doesn’t make much sense for Harris to either flub or to intentionally deviate.

What does that even mean? If she flubbed, she flubbed. Maybe she isn’t being sensible. Surely she’s capable of error in your mind?

(07-28-2024 02:41 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(07-28-2024 12:58 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-28-2024 12:10 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(07-28-2024 10:18 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-28-2024 09:47 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  If she had stuck to discussing what had been agreed upon, he would have no complaint. What agenda do you imagine he has? When you go out for photo ops, that is the time to publicize the agreements you came to, not to bring up other points for domestic political purposes.

Hahahahaha. Who is the saying that she didn’t stick to what was discussed. Again, you are taking one side of the story but not the other side. And maybe her comments were a calculated message to the Israeli government that the United States is not satisfied with the discussions date and we are not going to roll over. Who knows? Nobody on this forum

I just think that this doesn’t make sense that you are so completely sure that this was a screwup when it comes to Diplomacy 101. Like a violation of the praise in public scold in private leadership mantra. Perhaps Israel was completely uninterested in listening to any of our concerns and the decision was made to send this message that we were not going to do their bidding regardless.

That's just it. Who's knows what she's doing? Nobody on this board knows, the Israeli government no longer trusts her, and even Blue Team voters have to admit they aren't sure what she's up to - or even if she knows what she's doing. It's not a good look, and neither is publicly backstabbing an ally.

It takes two to tango. No one knows what Israel is doing in the same vein. I’m more apt to believe Harris’ statement because the Israeli government’s support at home and abroad is plummeting and they view the US Republican Party as the group most likely to support them without conditions. At least, that’s my take on the situation.

It doesn’t make much sense for Harris to either flub or to intentionally deviate.

What does that even mean? If she flubbed, she flubbed. Maybe she isn’t being sensible. Surely she’s capable of error in your mind?

Of course she might have flubbed. Totally possible.

OTOH perhaps this was a calculated move endorsed by her foreign policy team and was in no way going off-script.

Some here seem to believe that second scenario is impossible.

(07-28-2024 12:39 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

Quote: publicly backstabbing an ally.

THAT is a screw up.

Publicly backstabbing?

Are we saying that the US should not say anything about civilian deaths in Gaza?

(07-28-2024 03:03 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-28-2024 02:41 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(07-28-2024 12:58 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-28-2024 12:10 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(07-28-2024 10:18 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  Hahahahaha. Who is the saying that she didn’t stick to what was discussed. Again, you are taking one side of the story but not the other side. And maybe her comments were a calculated message to the Israeli government that the United States is not satisfied with the discussions date and we are not going to roll over. Who knows? Nobody on this forum

I just think that this doesn’t make sense that you are so completely sure that this was a screwup when it comes to Diplomacy 101. Like a violation of the praise in public scold in private leadership mantra. Perhaps Israel was completely uninterested in listening to any of our concerns and the decision was made to send this message that we were not going to do their bidding regardless.

That's just it. Who's knows what she's doing? Nobody on this board knows, the Israeli government no longer trusts her, and even Blue Team voters have to admit they aren't sure what she's up to - or even if she knows what she's doing. It's not a good look, and neither is publicly backstabbing an ally.

It takes two to tango. No one knows what Israel is doing in the same vein. I’m more apt to believe Harris’ statement because the Israeli government’s support at home and abroad is plummeting and they view the US Republican Party as the group most likely to support them without conditions. At least, that’s my take on the situation.

It doesn’t make much sense for Harris to either flub or to intentionally deviate.

What does that even mean? If she flubbed, she flubbed. Maybe she isn’t being sensible. Surely she’s capable of error in your mind?

Of course she might have flubbed. Totally possible.

OTOH perhaps this was a calculated move endorsed by her foreign policy team and was in no way going off-script.

Some here seem to believe that second scenario is impossible.

Oh, I certainly believe that is possible. Is it also possible that their calculated move is a miscalculation? Is that an excuse for her - blame whoever wrote the script?

(07-28-2024 03:09 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(07-28-2024 03:03 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-28-2024 02:41 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(07-28-2024 12:58 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-28-2024 12:10 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  That's just it. Who's knows what she's doing? Nobody on this board knows, the Israeli government no longer trusts her, and even Blue Team voters have to admit they aren't sure what she's up to - or even if she knows what she's doing. It's not a good look, and neither is publicly backstabbing an ally.

It takes two to tango. No one knows what Israel is doing in the same vein. I’m more apt to believe Harris’ statement because the Israeli government’s support at home and abroad is plummeting and they view the US Republican Party as the group most likely to support them without conditions. At least, that’s my take on the situation.

It doesn’t make much sense for Harris to either flub or to intentionally deviate.

What does that even mean? If she flubbed, she flubbed. Maybe she isn’t being sensible. Surely she’s capable of error in your mind?

Of course she might have flubbed. Totally possible.

OTOH perhaps this was a calculated move endorsed by her foreign policy team and was in no way going off-script.

Some here seem to believe that second scenario is impossible.

Oh, I certainly believe that is possible. Is it also possible that their calculated move is a miscalculation? Is that an excuse for her - blame whoever wrote the script?

Of course it is possible that it is miscalculation. I don’t think any of us know the behind-the-scenes stuff that would allow us to evaluate whether or not it was a miscalculation.

“This was a screw-up.” is certainly a valid partially-informed opinion, but it is not a fact.

Similarly,“This was not a screwup.” is a valid partially-informed opinion.

*edit* To be clear, I don't endorse either of those. Mine would be "I don't know enough about the back-room dealings between these two countries to say that this was or was not a screw-up."

(07-28-2024 12:45 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-28-2024 10:18 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  Who is the saying that she didn’t stick to what was discussed.

Israel

That's my point!

had thought there couldn't be a worse clown than Brandon....
unfortunately the Dems found a bigger one who wears it even better....
you almost feel sorry for Dem voters...almost...
after all, they believed their "leaders" who have now betrayed even their own voters...

(07-28-2024 03:40 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-28-2024 12:45 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-28-2024 10:18 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  Who is the saying that she didn’t stick to what was discussed.

Israel

That's my point!

No, your point is that they are lying when they say she blindsided them, and that she had every right to do so.

My point is that it was a mistake for the rookie to blindside them.

(07-28-2024 03:09 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(07-28-2024 03:03 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-28-2024 02:41 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(07-28-2024 12:58 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-28-2024 12:10 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  That's just it. Who's knows what she's doing? Nobody on this board knows, the Israeli government no longer trusts her, and even Blue Team voters have to admit they aren't sure what she's up to - or even if she knows what she's doing. It's not a good look, and neither is publicly backstabbing an ally.

It takes two to tango. No one knows what Israel is doing in the same vein. I’m more apt to believe Harris’ statement because the Israeli government’s support at home and abroad is plummeting and they view the US Republican Party as the group most likely to support them without conditions. At least, that’s my take on the situation.

It doesn’t make much sense for Harris to either flub or to intentionally deviate.

What does that even mean? If she flubbed, she flubbed. Maybe she isn’t being sensible. Surely she’s capable of error in your mind?

Of course she might have flubbed. Totally possible.

OTOH perhaps this was a calculated move endorsed by her foreign policy team and was in no way going off-script.

Some here seem to believe that second scenario is impossible.

Oh, I certainly believe that is possible. Is it also possible that their calculated move is a miscalculation? Is that an excuse for her - blame whoever wrote the script?

It’s also possible that the Israeli spokesman is the one going off script.

All we have are two competing narratives, yet some are declaring this a flub (OO in his initial post).