(04-26-2022 01:15 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 12:51 PM)green Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 12:39 PM)bluesox Wrote:  I’d say it’s time for ESPN to make ND a full ACC member or release them from the conference and add WVU and Cincinnati to get to 16. No point keep ND around if they are going to jump to the big 10 in 15 years or so (FIFY).

STUCK ON US

You assume that the GOR will remain move prohibitive through 2036, despite the huge revenue disparities between the ACC and the SEC/Big Ten.

MAKES AN ASS......

https://twitter.com/ByPatForde/status/15...9982824448

you assume our tv partner won’t move heaven & earth to protect its $3.6B investment in Atlantic Coast athletics ...

JACK IN THE BOX

As long as NBC is in the game, why is ND joining the Big Ten?

(04-26-2022 09:02 AM)esayem Wrote:  Gobbler, I never said ND owes the ACC. I was pointing out the very thing your blog did about self determination. I don’t think it’s too late, unlike the pessimists. The ACC has great bones and Notre Dame joining full time keeps the conference in “tier 1” or whatever you want to call it.

ND as an institution has more in common with the ACC than any other conference and there is a reason they are here. It isn’t just bowl bids.

Sorry, that comment wasn't aimed at you (although I can see why you'd think it was). My apologies, esayem - I was quoting your post because I thought you made a good point!

(04-26-2022 01:28 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 01:24 PM)esayem Wrote:  Notre Dame doesn’t need Big Ten money to compete, and as Terry said they will renew the NBC deal. IMO this is more about Swarbrick coming to grips with having to tell the eggheads ND will be going along with the minor leagues.

The eggheads would love it.

The big donors, the alumni and the fan base will revolt.

I think that your post is correct except for the last line.

Reading your posts in this thread, Terry, I can understand your pain.

As you know from my prior posts, as a BC alum and fan, I also have a huge amount of respect for ND. I respect the fact that they have successfully pulled off what no other program has been able to do - be independent and not beholden to anyone. This has made them, perhaps singularly, a NATIONAL program where millions all across the country identify with them. It has made them special - and I don't think you can put a price tag on this.

Perhaps you are correct about the future of CFB and the emergence of a P2. (I must say, I don't necessarily agree with this (see my posts on the other Board); but for this discussion, let's assume you are correct). If ND chooses to move to the B10, they will, IMO no longer have what has made them special.

Yes, in this scenario they will remain a CFB power and be well paid. But they would now, IMO, simply be another B10 school, playing mostly a regional schedule and typically behind OSU and UM in the B10 pecking order. They will not longer be that special national program. In short, IMO, ND will still be ND, but they will no longer be "ND", if that makes any sense.

Such a move does not come without a cost, IMO.

(04-26-2022 02:09 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 01:28 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 01:24 PM)esayem Wrote:  Notre Dame doesn’t need Big Ten money to compete, and as Terry said they will renew the NBC deal. IMO this is more about Swarbrick coming to grips with having to tell the eggheads ND will be going along with the minor leagues.

The eggheads would love it.

The big donors, the alumni and the fan base will revolt.

I think that your post is correct except for the last line.

Reading your posts in this thread, Terry, I can understand your pain.

As you know from my prior posts, as a BC alum and fan, I also have a huge amount of respect for ND. I respect the fact that they have successfully pulled off what no other program has been able to do - be independent and not beholden to anyone. This has made them, perhaps singularly, a NATIONAL program where millions all across the country identify with them. It has made them special - and I don't think you can put a price tag on this.

Perhaps you are correct about the future of CFB and the emergence of a P2. (I must say, I don't necessarily agree with this (see my posts on the other Board); but for this discussion, let's assume you are correct). If ND chooses to move to the B10, they will, IMO no longer have what has made them special.

Yes, in this scenario they will remain a CFB power and be well paid. But they would now, IMO, simply be another B10 school, playing mostly a regional schedule and typically behind OSU and UM in the B10 pecking order. They will not longer be that special national program. In short, IMO, ND will still be ND, but they will no longer be "ND", if that makes any sense.

Such a move does not come without a cost, IMO.

What is the alternative in a P2 world? (if it happens) ?

Relegation to Tier Two status, either as a football independent or a minor conference full member?

Those are the apparent choices, if a two tier college sports world occurs.

If not, no harm, no foul, business as usual then.

ND can stay independent in football and keep the rest in the ACC/Big Ten. (my preference by far).

I still see no reason for ND football to join the ACC.

I just think that ACC, Pac 12 and Big 12 fans have their heads in the sand about the SEC/Big Ten payouts.

I don't have any pain. This is just sports, this is all just for fun as a fan.

ND will be fine either way. In fact, it will be better off than most programs either way.

(04-25-2022 04:24 PM)green Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 04:07 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  Maybe Swarbrick is simply expressing some frustrations and communicating expectations to Irish boosters. Media revenues of the B1G and SEC are climbing rapidly, while ND’s chosen path (football independence and proprietary media deal) isn’t as lucrative.

With regards to many schools wanting to get out of their conference, that comment doesn’t help calm any nerves.

post of the day ...
my thoughts exactly ...
plus, professionalism goes against their religion ...

AT A CROSSROADS

...and divorce.

The ACC has been very accommodative to ND so far but if ND is really determined to leave at the ene of GoR, the ACC leaders should be proactive and prepare for the divorce settlement (or annulment if you don’t believe in divorce).

While keeping ND until the end of the GOR is more profitable, letting them go early might be advantageous. If ND is indeed heading to the BIG, it is very possible that the BIG would attempt to lure another ACC school as ND’s partner school. But if ND leaves say around 2025, then the BIG and ND would have the following three choices:

1) Add only ND and operate as a 15 team conference and wait for 10 years or so. Add another ACC school in 2036. Not ideal in terms of scheduling.
2) Let ND stay as a true independent or join the Big East for 10 years or so. Add ND and another ACC school in 2036. Not ideal for ND.
3) Add ND and another school that is readily available. KU seems like a good choice here.

I think the third option is the most probable and also the best outcome for the ACC. The ACC keeps its fourteen members strong and may add a couple of schools. Of course, the BIG may go beyond 16 and try to raid the ACC anyway when the GoR expires (assuming it’s not renewed). Even then, it’s going to be one less school joining the BIG from the ACC.

What if ND doesn’t want to leave early? I don’t see any reason for them not to leave early but if they want to stick around only until 2036, the ACC always reserves a nuclear option. After all, it’s better to dump than being dumped. Don’t you think so?

(04-26-2022 03:30 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  The ACC has been very accommodative to ND so far but if ND is really determined to leave at the ene of GoR, the ACC leaders should be proactive and prepare for the divorce settlement (or annulment if you don’t believe in divorce).

While keeping ND until the end of the GOR is more profitable, letting them go early might be advantageous. If ND is indeed heading to the BIG, it is very possible that the BIG would attempt to lure another ACC school as ND’s partner school. But if ND leaves say around 2025, then the BIG and ND would have the following three choices:

1) Add only ND and operate as a 15 team conference and wait for 10 years or so. Add another ACC school in 2036. Not ideal in terms of scheduling.
2) Let ND stay as a true independent or join the Big East for 10 years or so. Add ND and another ACC school in 2036. Not ideal for ND.
3) Add ND and another school that is readily available. KU seems like a good choice here.

I think the third option is the most probable and also the best outcome for the ACC. The ACC keeps its fourteen members strong and may add a couple of schools. Of course, the BIG may go beyond 16 and try to raid the ACC anyway when the GoR expires (assuming it’s not renewed). Even then, it’s going to be one less school joining the BIG from the ACC.

What if ND doesn’t want to leave early? I don’t see any reason for them not to leave early but if they want to stick around only until 2036, the ACC always reserves a nuclear option. After all, it’s better to dump than being dumped. Don’t you think so?

The GOR has teeth it seems so we're "committed" to 2036. But we may start some small tremors a few years out to allow for the ACC to plan. ESPN will not want the ACC to kick out ND. We're stuck together for a good bit.

I do have a hard time though (in contradiction to what I just wrote) that this will take to the mid '30's to resolve. So much movement happening now with NIL and other issues that I believe a reckoning happens sooner.

(04-26-2022 03:30 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  The ACC has been very accommodative to ND so far but if ND is really determined to leave at the ene of GoR, the ACC leaders should be proactive and prepare for the divorce settlement (or annulment if you don’t believe in divorce).

While keeping ND until the end of the GOR is more profitable, letting them go early might be advantageous. If ND is indeed heading to the BIG, it is very possible that the BIG would attempt to lure another ACC school as ND’s partner school. But if ND leaves say around 2025, then the BIG and ND would have the following three choices:

1) Add only ND and operate as a 15 team conference and wait for 10 years or so. Add another ACC school in 2036. Not ideal in terms of scheduling.
2) Let ND stay as a true independent or join the Big East for 10 years or so. Add ND and another ACC school in 2036. Not ideal for ND.
3) Add ND and another school that is readily available. KU seems like a good choice here.

I think the third option is the most probable and also the best outcome for the ACC. The ACC keeps its fourteen members strong and may add a couple of schools. Of course, the BIG may go beyond 16 and try to raid the ACC anyway when the GoR expires (assuming it’s not renewed). Even then, it’s going to be one less school joining the BIG from the ACC.

What if ND doesn’t want to leave early? I don’t see any reason for them not to leave early but if they want to stick around only until 2036, the ACC always reserves a nuclear option. After all, it’s better to dump than being dumped. Don’t you think so?

listen here ...
swofford told you ...
swarbrick told you ...
nd wedded to us for 15 more years ...

NO IFS ANDS OR BUTS

Hmmm... I wonder why Bryan Kelly just left his so-called dream-job at ND? Was his abrupt departure a wakeup call that Swarbrick can no longer ignore? Inquiring minds want to know.

(04-26-2022 03:45 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  The GOR has teeth it seems so we're "committed" to 2036. But we may start some small tremors a few years out to allow for the ACC to plan. ESPN will not want the ACC to kick out ND. We're stuck together for a good bit.

I do have a hard time though (in contradiction to what I just wrote) that this will take to the mid '30's to resolve. So much movement happening now with NIL and other issues that I believe a reckoning happens sooner.

One side or the other would have to break the contract for something to change before the last years of the current agreement. I just don't see that happening until it gets close enough that the penalty is more affordable. Beyond that, the only thing that I can see changing things is if the Irish go all in with football to bring Disney back to the table to talk about a new contract. Of course, that would definitely bump up the current payouts for the ACC members and ND would get a lot more than their current contract with NBC. However, I'm not sure it would close the gap enough to make it worth it for ND long term. An ACC with ND is still probably not going to compete with the SEC and B1G in the future. It would require Miami, FSU, UNC, VT, etc. to all get their football programs to the top potential at the same time. Even then, I'm not sure it closes the gap enough to entice the Irish to give up independence.

(04-26-2022 03:50 PM)colohank Wrote:  Hmmm... I wonder why [b]Bryan Kelly[/b] just left his so-called dream-job at ND? Was his abrupt departure a wakeup call that Swarbrick can no longer ignore? Inquiring minds want to know.

Its Brian Kelly.

(Sorry, but I have seen people misspell ND coach names for decades. Bob Davies, Charlie Weiss)

Didn't he previously coach the Bearcats? Why did he leave there ? Was that a wake up call for Cincy?

Brian Kelly left ND because:

1) He received a $95 million/10 year deal, most of it guaranteed.

2) Kelly is 60 years old. He coached at ND for 12 years, longer than any ND head coach since Rockne. He won more games at ND than anyone. He also lost more games at ND than anyone.

He had two years left on his ND deal. ND was not going to renew his contract. Jack Swarbrick and the ND brass were tired of Kelly sniffing around new jobs every year after losing a big game and then trying to re-negotiate his deal. They wanted him to retire in 2 years.

3) He and Swarbrick were feuding over the above and Kelly didn't like that ND didn't have a separate athletic dining chef and didn't build a separate academic center for players and other things fast enough for him.

It was time for him to move on, from both his and ND's point of view.

4) He doesn't like to recruit and doesn't do it that much/well.

He even said that it will be easier to recruit locally/regionally in Louisiana than nationally at ND. It is something that he dislikes, didn't do well and now feels that he will have to do even less of it personally at LSU.

Look at ND's recruiting rankings since 2010. Kelly usually had them about #8-13 or so every year.

Last year, ND was #6, mostly because of Marcus Freeman. This current class is ranked #1. Recruiting is trending up at ND, not down, since Kelly left.

5) Kelly says that LSU gives him the facilities, the players, the easy recruiting, the perks, bells and whistles, everything he can imagine to allow him to win the one thing he never has done (besides win any big game) and that is win a national championship.

(I wonder why, if he has everything he ever dreamed of at LSU, he feels the need to run his mouth so much lately)

Kelly left ND (many were glad to see him go despite his W/L record) to take his last shot at winning a national championship.

He thinks that it is easier....for him....to win one at LSU than at ND. Chefs matter, I guess.

I now expect that to happen since Kelly has talked so much lately that he now has everything he needs.

Don't you? What if he doesn't do that and what if ND does better without him ?

Inquiring minds want to know.

(04-26-2022 04:19 PM)Schema Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 03:45 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  The GOR has teeth it seems so we're "committed" to 2036. But we may start some small tremors a few years out to allow for the ACC to plan. ESPN will not want the ACC to kick out ND. We're stuck together for a good bit.

I do have a hard time though (in contradiction to what I just wrote) that this will take to the mid '30's to resolve. So much movement happening now with NIL and other issues that I believe a reckoning happens sooner.

One side or the other would have to break the contract for something to change before the last years of the current agreement. I just don't see that happening until it gets close enough that the penalty is more affordable. Beyond that, the only thing that I can see changing things is if the Irish go all in with football to bring Disney back to the table to talk about a new contract. Of course, that would definitely bump up the current payouts for the ACC members and ND would get a lot more than their current contract with NBC. However, I'm not sure it would close the gap enough to make it worth it for ND long term. An ACC with ND is still probably not going to compete with the SEC and B1G in the future. It would require Miami, FSU, UNC, VT, etc. to all get their football programs to the top potential at the same time. Even then, I'm not sure it closes the gap enough to entice the Irish to give up independence.

The ND/NBC deal expires in three years. The ACC TV deal runs through 2036.

NBC or someone else is going to pay ND a lot more TV money than it received under the 2015 contract.

Will ND get more TV/conference payout money as a football independent and a partial ACC member after 2025 than it would get as a full ACC member?

(04-26-2022 01:31 PM)green Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 01:15 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 12:51 PM)green Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 12:39 PM)bluesox Wrote:  I’d say it’s time for ESPN to make ND a full ACC member or release them from the conference and add WVU and Cincinnati to get to 16. No point keep ND around if they are going to jump to the big 10 in 15 years or so (FIFY).

STUCK ON US

You assume that the GOR will remain move prohibitive through 2036, despite the huge revenue disparities between the ACC and the SEC/Big Ten.

MAKES AN ASS......

https://twitter.com/ByPatForde/status/15...9982824448

you assume our tv partner won’t move heaven & earth to protect its $3.6B investment in Atlantic Coast athletics ...

JACK IN THE BOX

Your tv partner has enough sense to realize the best brands in the ACC are more valuable as a member of another of your tv partners properties...that includes Miami. BC, Pitt, WF, NC State, etc should be sweating bullets.

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(04-26-2022 04:54 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 04:19 PM)Schema Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 03:45 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  The GOR has teeth it seems so we're "committed" to 2036. But we may start some small tremors a few years out to allow for the ACC to plan. ESPN will not want the ACC to kick out ND. We're stuck together for a good bit.

I do have a hard time though (in contradiction to what I just wrote) that this will take to the mid '30's to resolve. So much movement happening now with NIL and other issues that I believe a reckoning happens sooner.

One side or the other would have to break the contract for something to change before the last years of the current agreement. I just don't see that happening until it gets close enough that the penalty is more affordable. Beyond that, the only thing that I can see changing things is if the Irish go all in with football to bring Disney back to the table to talk about a new contract. Of course, that would definitely bump up the current payouts for the ACC members and ND would get a lot more than their current contract with NBC. However, I'm not sure it would close the gap enough to make it worth it for ND long term. An ACC with ND is still probably not going to compete with the SEC and B1G in the future. It would require Miami, FSU, UNC, VT, etc. to all get their football programs to the top potential at the same time. Even then, I'm not sure it closes the gap enough to entice the Irish to give up independence.

The ND/NBC deal expires in three years. The ACC TV deal runs through 2036.

NBC or someone else is going to pay ND a lot more TV money than it received under the 2015 contract.

Will ND get more TV/conference payout money as a football independent and a partial ACC member after 2025 than it would get as a full ACC member?

Technically ND as a full ACC member may be able to get the payment as large as the payment it would get as a Big Ten member IF (this is a big IF) the ACC decides to go with the uneven payout scheme (eat what you kill).

But I don’t think we are going that way.

(04-26-2022 02:36 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 02:09 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 01:28 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 01:24 PM)esayem Wrote:  Notre Dame doesn’t need Big Ten money to compete, and as Terry said they will renew the NBC deal. IMO this is more about Swarbrick coming to grips with having to tell the eggheads ND will be going along with the minor leagues.

The eggheads would love it.

The big donors, the alumni and the fan base will revolt.

I think that your post is correct except for the last line.

Reading your posts in this thread, Terry, I can understand your pain.

As you know from my prior posts, as a BC alum and fan, I also have a huge amount of respect for ND. I respect the fact that they have successfully pulled off what no other program has been able to do - be independent and not beholden to anyone. This has made them, perhaps singularly, a NATIONAL program where millions all across the country identify with them. It has made them special - and I don't think you can put a price tag on this.

Perhaps you are correct about the future of CFB and the emergence of a P2. (I must say, I don't necessarily agree with this (see my posts on the other Board); but for this discussion, let's assume you are correct). If ND chooses to move to the B10, they will, IMO no longer have what has made them special.

Yes, in this scenario they will remain a CFB power and be well paid. But they would now, IMO, simply be another B10 school, playing mostly a regional schedule and typically behind OSU and UM in the B10 pecking order. They will not longer be that special national program. In short, IMO, ND will still be ND, but they will no longer be "ND", if that makes any sense.

Such a move does not come without a cost, IMO.

What is the alternative in a P2 world? (if it happens) ?

Relegation to Tier Two status, either as a football independent or a minor conference full member?

Those are the apparent choices, if a two tier college sports world occurs.

If not, no harm, no foul, business as usual then.

ND can stay independent in football and keep the rest in the ACC/Big Ten. (my preference by far).

I still see no reason for ND football to join the ACC.

I just think that ACC, Pac 12 and Big 12 fans have their heads in the sand about the SEC/Big Ten payouts.

I don't have any pain. This is just sports, this is all just for fun as a fan.

ND will be fine either way. In fact, it will be better off than most programs either way.

A P2 world? In revenue. I’m still trying to figure out what the incentive is to break away from Our Lady of the Poor and the ACC. Are they somehow going to make more money by not playing them?

If there is a breakaway then it will be around 75 football schools and a few basketball centric conferences, but some of their football squads will be regulated down a tier or listed as Independents at the top tier.

Welcome to 1975. What’s old is new. There’s nothing new under the Sun. I feel like I’ve been here before.

(04-26-2022 04:54 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 04:19 PM)Schema Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 03:45 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  The GOR has teeth it seems so we're "committed" to 2036. But we may start some small tremors a few years out to allow for the ACC to plan. ESPN will not want the ACC to kick out ND. We're stuck together for a good bit.

I do have a hard time though (in contradiction to what I just wrote) that this will take to the mid '30's to resolve. So much movement happening now with NIL and other issues that I believe a reckoning happens sooner.

One side or the other would have to break the contract for something to change before the last years of the current agreement. I just don't see that happening until it gets close enough that the penalty is more affordable. Beyond that, the only thing that I can see changing things is if the Irish go all in with football to bring Disney back to the table to talk about a new contract. Of course, that would definitely bump up the current payouts for the ACC members and ND would get a lot more than their current contract with NBC. However, I'm not sure it would close the gap enough to make it worth it for ND long term. An ACC with ND is still probably not going to compete with the SEC and B1G in the future. It would require Miami, FSU, UNC, VT, etc. to all get their football programs to the top potential at the same time. Even then, I'm not sure it closes the gap enough to entice the Irish to give up independence.

The ND/NBC deal expires in three years. The ACC TV deal runs through 2036.

NBC or someone else is going to pay ND a lot more TV money than it received under the 2015 contract.

Will ND get more TV/conference payout money as a football independent and a partial ACC member after 2025 than it would get as a full ACC member?

disney + alliance + orange bowl ...
closer than farther ...

MEMBERSHIP HAS ITS PRIVILEGES

(04-26-2022 05:35 PM)b2b Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 01:31 PM)green Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 01:15 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 12:51 PM)green Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 12:39 PM)bluesox Wrote:  I’d say it’s time for ESPN to make ND a full ACC member or release them from the conference and add WVU and Cincinnati to get to 16. No point keep ND around if they are going to jump to the big 10 in 15 years or so (FIFY).

STUCK ON US

You assume that the GOR will remain move prohibitive through 2036, despite the huge revenue disparities between the ACC and the SEC/Big Ten.

MAKES AN ASS......

https://twitter.com/ByPatForde/status/15...9982824448

you assume our tv partner won’t move heaven & earth to protect its $3.6B investment in Atlantic Coast athletics ...

JACK IN THE BOX

Your tv partner has enough sense to realize the best brands in the ACC are more valuable as a member of another of your tv partners properties...that includes Miami. BC, Pitt, WF, NC State, etc should be sweating bullets.

Sent from my Pixel 3 using Tapatalk

money’s great & all ...
but it can’t buy everything ...
i.e. academic rep ...
aspiring Miami desperately wants to rub elbows w/ like-minded aristocracy ...
BC, ND, Duke, UNC, GT, Wake, UVA ...

JUST MEANS MORE

So if the SEC and Big 10 split off to do their own thing you prefer Miami stay behind with whatever's left of the ACC?

(04-25-2022 10:44 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 10:23 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 08:49 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Jack knows that ND has to join the Big Ten in full to play Tier One college football in the P2 future, breakaway or not.

Everything not in the Big Ten or SEC will be considered Tier Two football, a step down.

The money disparity between the two will determine the tiers.

He is letting the ND fan base know this. That was who his audience was. He wasn't just spewing hot air to hear himself talk.

ND has to decide which way to go.

The administration will lean towards the Tier Two academic side, the big donors, alumni and fan base will push hard to keep ND football at Tier One.

ND may or may not have enough clout if in Tier Two to remain a football independent and cut some kind of deal for the rest. If in Tier One, its all in.

My guess is that ND will re-sign with NBC for a five year deal, let the dust settle and will make a move around 2030 if necessary.

Which side wins? Jack is just teeing this up with his statements. I don't think that debate has even begun at ND.

I think the side that wants ND to stay with Tier One football will win. Time will tell.

I agree that events may well force ND football to join a conference. I just think that, if so, it is more likely to be the Big Ten than the ACC.

If ND has to sell its independence, I don't think it will go to the lowest bidder and not for Tier Two status.

As much as I hate the idea, I think ND moves to join the Big Ten in full around 2030 and challenges/pays off the GOR. Just my prediction.

Woo! Is this real TerryD?

A quick question.

Let’s say the BIG and the SEC are Tier I and the ACC and the Pac are Tier II (you can include the B12 and G5 in the Tier II; it doesn’t matter)

What if both Tier I and Tier II adopt the pay for play model and ND decides not to go with it? Then, ND is going to stay independent and play Ivy and Patriot league schools? I think that’s certainly a possibility.

I don't.

I think that ND joins the Big Ten in full and makes about $100 million or so a year in TV/conference payouts and plays in a Tier One /P2 league.

I think that ND will adopt pay for play, ultimately, if that is what the P2 do.

We shall see.

From Yahoo Sports

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Yahoo Sports’ Dan Wetzel and Sports Illustrated’s Pat Forde discuss Pat’s conversation with Notre Dame Athletic Director Jack Swarbrick...

And his theory is that we're going to end up with two ends of the spectrum. One end are the schools that still say, hey, we are a university that's tethered to higher education, and athletics is a part of that. But we are not subservient to athletics, and we're just going to do things as much the way we traditionally have as possible. So that's going to be Notre Dame. That's going to be a lot of your academic heavyweight schools.

If you're really going to do it this way, it's going to be Stanford, it's going to be Duke, it's going to be Vanderbilt, it's going to be Wake Forest, it's going to be maybe USC, UCLA, Cal, Virginia, North Carolina, maybe Michigan, and then the Ivy Leagues. And then at the other end of the spectrum is going to be schools that he thinks will spin off a licensing deal with their name, nickname, colors, logos, all those sort of things, and you'll just run an athletic business. That will be the tie to the university...

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https://sports.yahoo.com/notre-dame-ad-f...ccounter=1

I wonder how you (and many other ND fans) concluded that ND would join the “Tier One” based on Swarbrick’s interviews. Maybe ND will indeed the BIG in 2035 but that’s not what Swarbrick meant. He thinks ND will choose the academics.