Most of you have probably seen this:

“We’re going to have these two conferences that have so distanced themselves from anyone else financially,” Swarbrick said. “That’s where I see it starting to break down. There are so many schools trying to get out of their current conference, and they can’t get there.”

https://www.si.com/college/2022/04/23/no...n-1-change

It’s an open secret that FSU (and maybe some other schools) wants to get out of the ACC so Swarbrick’s obvious statement is nothing new.

But if you think about it, ADs usually keep their mouths shut on this issue unless they are quite sure that their schools are leaving. So I am curious of his intention. Maybe he is giving a very advanced notice?

Or maybe Swarbrick was just not happy with the failed play off expansion and the ACC coaches’ complaint about it. (https://www.onefootdown.com/2022/2/9/229...ff-news-nd)

My take: he's just giving people a story to write (and keeping ND in the news).

If you look at what he actually said, he could be talking about G5 teams. "East Carolina would like to be in the SEC" and "Buffalo wants to be in the Big Ten" - duh!

As for FSU and the rest of the ACC, I reject the notion that they "want to leave" the ACC. What they want is more money! If they can stay AND get enough money, they'd prefer that, IMO.

Now, is Swarbrick saying that Notre Dame would like to get out of their scheduling agreement with the ACC? IDK. Maybe. Even if that's true, it may not be true by the time it actually runs out, so I'm not going to give it much thought, TBH.

Quote:puts a potential target date on that seismic change as the mid-2030s.

CROSS THAT BRIDGE WHEN WE COME TO IT

(04-25-2022 12:29 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  My take: he's just giving people a story to write (and keeping ND in the news).

If you look at what he actually said, he could be talking about G5 teams. "East Carolina would like to be in the SEC" and "Buffalo wants to be in the Big Ten" - duh!

As for FSU and the rest of the ACC, I reject the notion that they "want to leave" the ACC. What they want is more money! If they can stay AND get enough money, they'd prefer that, IMO.

Now, is Swarbrick saying that Notre Dame would like to get out of their scheduling agreement with the ACC? IDK. Maybe. Even if that's true, it may not be true by the time it actually runs out, so I'm not going to give it much thought, TBH.

who wants them ...
to be or not to be ...

THAT IS THE QUESTION

ut & ou to sec + transfer portal + nil = gamechanger
and when moses descended mount sinai w/ 2 stone tablets in hand ...

I HATE WHEN PEOPLE TELL ME SOMETHING I ALREADY KNOW

(04-25-2022 12:02 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  Most of you have probably seen this:

“We’re going to have these two conferences that have so distanced themselves from anyone else financially,” Swarbrick said. “That’s where I see it starting to break down. There are so many schools trying to get out of their current conference, and they can’t get there.”

https://www.si.com/college/2022/04/23/no...n-1-change

It’s an open secret that FSU (and maybe some other schools) wants to get out of the ACC so Swarbrick’s obvious statement is nothing new.

But if you think about it, ADs usually keep their mouths shut on this issue unless they are quite sure that their schools are leaving. So I am curious of his intention. Maybe he is giving a very advanced notice?

Or maybe Swarbrick was just not happy with the failed play off expansion and the ACC coaches’ complaint about it. (https://www.onefootdown.com/2022/2/9/229...ff-news-nd)

Do you have a link where the FSU administration proclaims that they want to move Florida State out of the Atlantic Coast Conference?
I'm curious to know where you fount that information.

(04-25-2022 02:29 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 12:02 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  Most of you have probably seen this:

“We’re going to have these two conferences that have so distanced themselves from anyone else financially,” Swarbrick said. “That’s where I see it starting to break down. There are so many schools trying to get out of their current conference, and they can’t get there.”

https://www.si.com/college/2022/04/23/no...n-1-change

It’s an open secret that FSU (and maybe some other schools) wants to get out of the ACC so Swarbrick’s obvious statement is nothing new.

But if you think about it, ADs usually keep their mouths shut on this issue unless they are quite sure that their schools are leaving. So I am curious of his intention. Maybe he is giving a very advanced notice?

Or maybe Swarbrick was just not happy with the failed play off expansion and the ACC coaches’ complaint about it. (https://www.onefootdown.com/2022/2/9/229...ff-news-nd)

Do you have a link where the FSU administration proclaims that they want to move Florida State out of the Atlantic Coast Conference?
I'm curious to know where you fount that information.

Well, nobody from FSU said so bluntly they would get out of the ACC. A more diplomatic statement would be like “We have have a good brand. Other conferences (i.e. the SEC) may invite us and we want to be ready for it.”

Please see below.

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“I just want us to be prepared..." Thrasher said.

"My point to (FSU director of athletics) David Coburn and to (new ACC commissioner) Jim Phillips is I don't want Florida State to be left behind. I consider us as part of the ACC, but I also know that we have a marquee name, Clemson has a marquee name. I think there might be people coming after us, I don't know, but we've got to be prepared no matter what the options are."

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https://www.fsunews.com/story/sports/col...415221001/

Maybe Swarbrick is simply expressing some frustrations and communicating expectations to Irish boosters. Media revenues of the B1G and SEC are climbing rapidly, while ND’s chosen path (football independence and proprietary media deal) isn’t as lucrative.

With regards to many schools wanting to get out of their conference, that comment doesn’t help calm any nerves.

(04-25-2022 04:07 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  Maybe Swarbrick is simply expressing some frustrations and communicating expectations to Irish boosters. Media revenues of the B1G and SEC are climbing rapidly, while ND’s chosen path (football independence and proprietary media deal) isn’t as lucrative.

With regards to many schools wanting to get out of their conference, that comment doesn’t help calm any nerves.

post of the day ...
my thoughts exactly ...
plus, professionalism goes against their religion ...

AT A CROSSROADS

Every school had the opportunity to refuse to sign the GOR in the Spring of 2013. Every school chose to sign away their broadcast rights until 2023. It was signed complete by April 15th and made public on April 22nd.

Just over 3 years later in June 2016, every school again had the opportunity to refuse to sign the GOR. Instead every school chose to sign a 20 year GOR in exchange for a conference network. (One month after ESPN refused to develop a conference network with the Big 12.)

That’s three opportunities in the last decade to leave and no school chose to do so.

While there may be boosters and fans of ACC programs who have eyes for another conference, apparently no ACC president or BOT does.

Now the ACC waits for 15 years, unless ESPN wants to review the terms of the ACC GOR and offers concessions to change the terms of the GOR or membership of the conference.

Swarbrick is talking so that he fills the empty air.

We are now post Peak-Swarbrick.

Jack swung for the fences but it faded out.

What FSU wants is the freedom to do as they please without Wake Forest, Duke, UNC, Syracuse, and BC having any input. I don't blame them. However it's naïve to think that life under Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Tennessee, and Oklahoma will be better.

The administration at FSU know this. Some of their fans, not so much. It's already been shown that FSU fans will not fully support the team if they win less than 11 games a year. They aren't doing that in a super SEC.

What conference is going to offer Notre Dame the deal it has with the ACC? Certainly not the B1G or the SEC. Is Notre Dame interested in being a full member of the B1G or SEC? Of course not. So STFU about this. It’s ridiculous.

(04-25-2022 07:21 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  What conference is going to offer Notre Dame the deal it has with the ACC? Certainly not the B1G or the SEC. Is Notre Dame interested in being a full member of the B1G or SEC? Of course not. So STFU about this. It’s ridiculous.

Dabo put the word on Jack. It happens.

I think ND's bigger problem is that they want to avoid full professionalism. You can't do that playing footsie with the SEC. ND might end up having to chose between Group B, and Group A with Group A being 20-24 professionalized college programs.

If ND wants to avoid a conference, it can't in an elite, limited league. Does it want to be in a division with half of Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Texas, Oklahoma, Ohio State, PSU, Iowa, USC, Oregon, TAMU, Michigan, Nebraska, Florida State, and a few other? They likely will need to play at least 8 games.

The problem with all of this is that there are so many moving parts, moving at the same time. Form and function are driving each other.

ND may be able to compete in a professional atmosphere, but it's not who they are. This is who they are:

Pitt, WF, UVa, Miami, NW, BC, UNC, GT, Purdue, MD
Vandy, Kansas, MSU, Minnesota, Stanford, ASU, TCU, Colorado
VT, NC State, Indiana, Illinois, Syracuse, Oregon State, Kansas State, Iowa State
Washington State, Arizona, Cal, BYU, TT, Cincy, USF, UCF
Baylor, Army, Navy, Air Force, Kentucky, Louisville, Rice, SMU

I would even add the following as schools that will try, but can't really compete at the Ohio State/Alabama level:

Ole Miss, MSU, Mizzou, Arkansas, USC, Iowa, Nebraska,

Now of course no one is leaving the B10, or the SEC, but they don't have to win any conference games do they?

A 48 school "B" league for football would be exciting and different most years.

The A league is going to be the same as it now - Bama, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Clemson, and Georgia and a great deal of boredom. Salary caps and the draft prevent that in the NFL.

Jack knows that ND has to join the Big Ten in full to play Tier One college football in the P2 future, breakaway or not.

Everything not in the Big Ten or SEC will be considered Tier Two football, a step down.

The money disparity between the two will determine the tiers.

He is letting the ND fan base know this. That was who his audience was. He wasn't just spewing hot air to hear himself talk.

ND has to decide which way to go.

The administration will lean towards the Tier Two academic side, the big donors, alumni and fan base will push hard to keep ND football at Tier One.

ND may or may not have enough clout if in Tier Two to remain a football independent and cut some kind of deal for the rest. If in Tier One, its all in.

My guess is that ND will re-sign with NBC for a five year deal, let the dust settle and will make a move around 2030 if necessary.

Which side wins? Jack is just teeing this up with his statements. I don't think that debate has even begun at ND.

I think the side that wants ND to stay with Tier One football will win. Time will tell.

I agree that events may well force ND football to join a conference. I just think that, if so, it is more likely to be the Big Ten than the ACC.

If ND has to sell its independence, I don't think it will go to the lowest bidder and not for Tier Two status.

As much as I hate the idea, I think ND moves to join the Big Ten in full around 2030 and challenges/pays off the GOR. Just my prediction.

(04-25-2022 08:49 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Jack knows that ND has to join the Big Ten in full to play Tier One college football in the P2 future, breakaway or not.

Everything not in the Big Ten or SEC will be considered Tier Two football, a step down.

The money disparity between the two will determine the tiers.

He is letting the ND fan base know this. That was who his audience was. He wasn't just spewing hot air to hear himself talk.

ND has to decide which way to go.

The administration will lean towards the Tier Two academic side, the big donors, alumni and fan base will push hard to keep ND football at Tier One.

ND may or may not have enough clout if in Tier Two to remain a football independent and cut some kind of deal for the rest. If in Tier One, its all in.

My guess is that ND will re-sign with NBC for a five year deal, let the dust settle and will make a move around 2030 if necessary.

Which side wins? Jack is just teeing this up with his statements. I don't think that debate has even begun at ND.

I think the side that wants ND to stay with Tier One football will win. Time will tell.

I agree that events may well force ND football to join a conference. I just think that, if so, it is more likely to be the Big Ten than the ACC.

If ND has to sell its independence, I don't think it will go to the lowest bidder and not for Tier Two status.

As much as I hate the idea, I think ND moves to join the Big Ten in full around 2030 and challenges/pays off the GOR. Just my prediction.

https://twitter.com/dennisdoddcbs/status...6201482241

you resemble a doomsday cultist ...
peddling fright ...
what will world look like in 2035 ...
let it play out ...

THAT’S WHERE ALL THE FUN IS

(04-25-2022 07:21 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  What conference is going to offer Notre Dame the deal it has with the ACC? Certainly not the B1G or the SEC. Is Notre Dame interested in being a full member of the B1G or SEC? Of course not. So STFU about this. It’s ridiculous.

I wish I were as simple minded as you are.

In my opinion, ND may indeed join the BIG in full or drop all the way down to FCS level. Both are possible.

(04-25-2022 08:49 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Jack knows that ND has to join the Big Ten in full to play Tier One college football in the P2 future, breakaway or not.

Everything not in the Big Ten or SEC will be considered Tier Two football, a step down.

The money disparity between the two will determine the tiers.

He is letting the ND fan base know this. That was who his audience was. He wasn't just spewing hot air to hear himself talk.

ND has to decide which way to go.

The administration will lean towards the Tier Two academic side, the big donors, alumni and fan base will push hard to keep ND football at Tier One.

ND may or may not have enough clout if in Tier Two to remain a football independent and cut some kind of deal for the rest. If in Tier One, its all in.

My guess is that ND will re-sign with NBC for a five year deal, let the dust settle and will make a move around 2030 if necessary.

Which side wins? Jack is just teeing this up with his statements. I don't think that debate has even begun at ND.

I think the side that wants ND to stay with Tier One football will win. Time will tell.

I agree that events may well force ND football to join a conference. I just think that, if so, it is more likely to be the Big Ten than the ACC.

If ND has to sell its independence, I don't think it will go to the lowest bidder and not for Tier Two status.

As much as I hate the idea, I think ND moves to join the Big Ten in full around 2030 and challenges/pays off the GOR. Just my prediction.

Woo! Is this real TerryD?

A quick question.

Let’s say the BIG and the SEC are Tier I and the ACC and the Pac are Tier II (you can include the B12 and G5 in the Tier II; it doesn’t matter)

What if both Tier I and Tier II adopt the pay for play model and ND decides not to go with it? Then, ND is going to stay independent and play Ivy and Patriot league schools? I think that’s certainly a possibility.

(04-25-2022 09:49 PM)green Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 08:49 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Jack knows that ND has to join the Big Ten in full to play Tier One college football in the P2 future, breakaway or not.

Everything not in the Big Ten or SEC will be considered Tier Two football, a step down.

The money disparity between the two will determine the tiers.

He is letting the ND fan base know this. That was who his audience was. He wasn't just spewing hot air to hear himself talk.

ND has to decide which way to go.

The administration will lean towards the Tier Two academic side, the big donors, alumni and fan base will push hard to keep ND football at Tier One.

ND may or may not have enough clout if in Tier Two to remain a football independent and cut some kind of deal for the rest. If in Tier One, its all in.

My guess is that ND will re-sign with NBC for a five year deal, let the dust settle and will make a move around 2030 if necessary.

Which side wins? Jack is just teeing this up with his statements. I don't think that debate has even begun at ND.

I think the side that wants ND to stay with Tier One football will win. Time will tell.

I agree that events may well force ND football to join a conference. I just think that, if so, it is more likely to be the Big Ten than the ACC.

If ND has to sell its independence, I don't think it will go to the lowest bidder and not for Tier Two status.

As much as I hate the idea, I think ND moves to join the Big Ten in full around 2030 and challenges/pays off the GOR. Just my prediction.

https://twitter.com/dennisdoddcbs/status...6201482241

you resemble a doomsday cultist ...
peddling fright ...
what will world look like in 2035 ...
let it play out ...

THAT’S WHERE ALL THE FUN IS

Just the facts.

DRAGNET

(04-25-2022 10:23 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 08:49 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Jack knows that ND has to join the Big Ten in full to play Tier One college football in the P2 future, breakaway or not.

Everything not in the Big Ten or SEC will be considered Tier Two football, a step down.

The money disparity between the two will determine the tiers.

He is letting the ND fan base know this. That was who his audience was. He wasn't just spewing hot air to hear himself talk.

ND has to decide which way to go.

The administration will lean towards the Tier Two academic side, the big donors, alumni and fan base will push hard to keep ND football at Tier One.

ND may or may not have enough clout if in Tier Two to remain a football independent and cut some kind of deal for the rest. If in Tier One, its all in.

My guess is that ND will re-sign with NBC for a five year deal, let the dust settle and will make a move around 2030 if necessary.

Which side wins? Jack is just teeing this up with his statements. I don't think that debate has even begun at ND.

I think the side that wants ND to stay with Tier One football will win. Time will tell.

I agree that events may well force ND football to join a conference. I just think that, if so, it is more likely to be the Big Ten than the ACC.

If ND has to sell its independence, I don't think it will go to the lowest bidder and not for Tier Two status.

As much as I hate the idea, I think ND moves to join the Big Ten in full around 2030 and challenges/pays off the GOR. Just my prediction.

Woo! Is this real TerryD?

A quick question.

Let’s say the BIG and the SEC are Tier I and the ACC and the Pac are Tier II (you can include the B12 and G5 in the Tier II; it doesn’t matter)

What if both Tier I and Tier II adopt the pay for play model and ND decides not to go with it? Then, ND is going to stay independent and play Ivy and Patriot league schools? I think that’s certainly a possibility.

I don't.

I think that ND joins the Big Ten in full and makes about $100 million or so a year in TV/conference payouts and plays in a Tier One /P2 league.

I think that ND will adopt pay for play, ultimately, if that is what the P2 do.

We shall see.