(04-26-2022 10:52 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 10:44 AM)green Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 10:23 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 09:02 AM)esayem Wrote:  Gobbler, I never said ND owes the ACC. I was pointing out the very thing your blog did about self determination. I don’t think it’s too late, unlike the pessimists. The ACC has great bones and Notre Dame joining full time keeps the conference in “tier 1” or whatever you want to call it.

ND as an institution has more in common with the ACC than any other conference and there is a reason they are here. It isn’t just bowl bids.

ND joining the ACC in football will do little to bridge the $$$$ gap between the ACC and the Big Ten/SEC.

It certainly will not raise the ACC payouts from $40 million a year to over $80 million or more per year.

ND joining the Big Ten will net the Irish lots of cash and Tier One status.


GAME OVER

are you privy to aforementioned contracts or ongoing negotiations ...

JUST SAYIN’

ND may be worth a lot, but not nearly enough to close the gap of 20-30-40-50 million dollars.

THE WHOLE IS GREATER THAN SUM OF ITS PARTS

(04-26-2022 11:02 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 10:23 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 09:02 AM)esayem Wrote:  Gobbler, I never said ND owes the ACC. I was pointing out the very thing your blog did about self determination. I don’t think it’s too late, unlike the pessimists. The ACC has great bones and Notre Dame joining full time keeps the conference in “tier 1” or whatever you want to call it.

ND as an institution has more in common with the ACC than any other conference and there is a reason they are here. It isn’t just bowl bids.

ND joining the ACC in football will do little to bridge the $$$$ gap between the ACC and the Big Ten/SEC.

It certainly will not raise the ACC payouts from $40 million a year to over $80 million or more per year.

ND joining the Big Ten will net the Irish lots of cash and Tier One status.


GAME OVER

That’s fine, but ND is not Independent. They have to play five ACC teams each season. They are pseudo-Independent.

ND is independent with a five game ACC scheduling agreement in football, similar to the three Big Ten schools and two Big East schools it played every year before 2012.

ND games do not count in conference standings, they are OOC games for ACC teams. They are just another game or games on the schedule to ND.

ND football is not in any ACC division nor does it play for a conference championship. ND gets no ACC/ESPN money for football nor does it share its NBC football TV money with the conference

Either way, it makes no business sense for ND football to further entangle itself with the ACC (and I have hated the Big Ten since the mid-Sixties) if it has to surrender its independence to the conferences.

(04-26-2022 11:04 AM)green Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 10:52 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 10:44 AM)green Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 10:23 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 09:02 AM)esayem Wrote:  Gobbler, I never said ND owes the ACC. I was pointing out the very thing your blog did about self determination. I don’t think it’s too late, unlike the pessimists. The ACC has great bones and Notre Dame joining full time keeps the conference in “tier 1” or whatever you want to call it.

ND as an institution has more in common with the ACC than any other conference and there is a reason they are here. It isn’t just bowl bids.

ND joining the ACC in football will do little to bridge the $$$$ gap between the ACC and the Big Ten/SEC.

It certainly will not raise the ACC payouts from $40 million a year to over $80 million or more per year.

ND joining the Big Ten will net the Irish lots of cash and Tier One status.


GAME OVER

are you privy to aforementioned contracts or ongoing negotiations ...

JUST SAYIN’

ND may be worth a lot, but not nearly enough to close the gap of 20-30-40-50 million dollars.

THE WHOLE IS GREATER THAN SUM OF ITS PARTS

The ACC with ND football included will not come anywhere near the Big Ten payouts.

MATH IS FUNDAMENTAL

(04-25-2022 10:44 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 10:23 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 08:49 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Jack knows that ND has to join the Big Ten in full to play Tier One college football in the P2 future, breakaway or not.

Everything not in the Big Ten or SEC will be considered Tier Two football, a step down.

The money disparity between the two will determine the tiers.

He is letting the ND fan base know this. That was who his audience was. He wasn't just spewing hot air to hear himself talk.

ND has to decide which way to go.

The administration will lean towards the Tier Two academic side, the big donors, alumni and fan base will push hard to keep ND football at Tier One.

ND may or may not have enough clout if in Tier Two to remain a football independent and cut some kind of deal for the rest. If in Tier One, its all in.

My guess is that ND will re-sign with NBC for a five year deal, let the dust settle and will make a move around 2030 if necessary.

Which side wins? Jack is just teeing this up with his statements. I don't think that debate has even begun at ND.

I think the side that wants ND to stay with Tier One football will win. Time will tell.

I agree that events may well force ND football to join a conference. I just think that, if so, it is more likely to be the Big Ten than the ACC.

If ND has to sell its independence, I don't think it will go to the lowest bidder and not for Tier Two status.

As much as I hate the idea, I think ND moves to join the Big Ten in full around 2030 and challenges/pays off the GOR. Just my prediction.

Woo! Is this real TerryD?

A quick question.

Let’s say the BIG and the SEC are Tier I and the ACC and the Pac are Tier II (you can include the B12 and G5 in the Tier II; it doesn’t matter)

What if both Tier I and Tier II adopt the pay for play model and ND decides not to go with it? Then, ND is going to stay independent and play Ivy and Patriot league schools? I think that’s certainly a possibility.

I don't.

I think that ND joins the Big Ten in full and makes about $100 million or so a year in TV/conference payouts and plays in a Tier One /P2 league.

I think that ND will adopt pay for play, ultimately, if that is what the P2 do.

We shall see.

Understood.

I just have to point out that this is a complete reversal of your previous position that ND won’t surrender the football independence except for champ only playoff and ND is institutionally different from others.

ND is going to be up for the media deal renewal soon and I was secretly hoping ND football joining the ACCN (not the ACC).

Instead it looks like the ACC will have to get ready for a divorce in ten years or so. It’s not ideal but losing ND won’t be fatal for the ACC. If ND leaves for the BIG, it is also possible that another ACC school (Pitt?) may join the BIG as a tag along. (Many people speculate UNC and UVa will jump but I don’t think they will be the first movers. They may never leave in my opinon).

Assuming no further defect (and that’s my belieif), the ACC may be in a position to add one, two or three schools for the next media deal depending on whether it loses that tag along school and whether the league wants to expand to 16.

(04-26-2022 11:12 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 11:04 AM)green Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 10:52 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 10:44 AM)green Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 10:23 AM)TerryD Wrote:  ND joining the ACC in football will do little to bridge the $$$$ gap between the ACC and the Big Ten/SEC.

It certainly will not raise the ACC payouts from $40 million a year to over $80 million or more per year.

ND joining the Big Ten will net the Irish lots of cash and Tier One status.


GAME OVER

are you privy to aforementioned contracts or ongoing negotiations ...

JUST SAYIN’

ND may be worth a lot, but not nearly enough to close the gap of 20-30-40-50 million dollars.

THE WHOLE IS GREATER THAN SUM OF ITS PARTS

The ACC with ND football included will not come anywhere near the Big Ten payouts.

MATH IS FUNDAMENTAL

Yep, at most they may throw 10 million and that is a stretch. 150 million more? For stability it could be possible, but yet still not solve the problem of the massive gap.

(04-26-2022 11:12 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 11:04 AM)green Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 10:52 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 10:44 AM)green Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 10:23 AM)TerryD Wrote:  ND joining the ACC in football will do little to bridge the $$$$ gap between the ACC and the Big Ten/SEC.

It certainly will not raise the ACC payouts from $40 million a year to over $80 million or more per year.

ND joining the Big Ten will net the Irish lots of cash and Tier One status.


GAME OVER

are you privy to aforementioned contracts or ongoing negotiations ...

JUST SAYIN’

ND may be worth a lot, but not nearly enough to close the gap of 20-30-40-50 million dollars.

THE WHOLE IS GREATER THAN SUM OF ITS PARTS

The ACC with ND football included will not come anywhere near the Big Ten payouts.

MATH IS FUNDAMENTAL

certainly, stand-alone nd won’t approach b1g payouts for 15 years ...

BY THE SHORT HAIRS

(04-26-2022 11:21 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 10:44 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 10:23 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 08:49 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Jack knows that ND has to join the Big Ten in full to play Tier One college football in the P2 future, breakaway or not.

Everything not in the Big Ten or SEC will be considered Tier Two football, a step down.

The money disparity between the two will determine the tiers.

He is letting the ND fan base know this. That was who his audience was. He wasn't just spewing hot air to hear himself talk.

ND has to decide which way to go.

The administration will lean towards the Tier Two academic side, the big donors, alumni and fan base will push hard to keep ND football at Tier One.

ND may or may not have enough clout if in Tier Two to remain a football independent and cut some kind of deal for the rest. If in Tier One, its all in.

My guess is that ND will re-sign with NBC for a five year deal, let the dust settle and will make a move around 2030 if necessary.

Which side wins? Jack is just teeing this up with his statements. I don't think that debate has even begun at ND.

I think the side that wants ND to stay with Tier One football will win. Time will tell.

I agree that events may well force ND football to join a conference. I just think that, if so, it is more likely to be the Big Ten than the ACC.

If ND has to sell its independence, I don't think it will go to the lowest bidder and not for Tier Two status.

As much as I hate the idea, I think ND moves to join the Big Ten in full around 2030 and challenges/pays off the GOR. Just my prediction.

Woo! Is this real TerryD?

A quick question.

Let’s say the BIG and the SEC are Tier I and the ACC and the Pac are Tier II (you can include the B12 and G5 in the Tier II; it doesn’t matter)

What if both Tier I and Tier II adopt the pay for play model and ND decides not to go with it? Then, ND is going to stay independent and play Ivy and Patriot league schools? I think that’s certainly a possibility.

I don't.

I think that ND joins the Big Ten in full and makes about $100 million or so a year in TV/conference payouts and plays in a Tier One /P2 league.

I think that ND will adopt pay for play, ultimately, if that is what the P2 do.

We shall see.

Understood.

I just have to point out that this is a complete reversal of your previous position that ND won’t surrender the football independence except for champ only playoff and ND is institutionally different from others.

Well, as a lawyer, I have often changed my opinions when the facts change.

Texas/Oklahoma to the SEC, NIL and the coming pay to play are changed facts.

A "caste system" of two conferences in Tier One and everyone else in a lower level of football is a seismic change for college football.

The entire landscape of college football is about to shift and change, hence my changed opinion.

It may well be that ND chooses the academic Tier Two route. But, I have serious doubts about that.

If it does, then ND may stay independent and use its clout/money/influence to stay independent forever. So, even in that event ND football will not join the ACC.

(ND will have even more relative clout in Tier Two if the Big Ten/SEC move on without it and ND stays with the Tier Two schools)

But, will it want to do that or play Big Boy Football? In a P2 Tier One, I doubt ND can stay football independent.

I just think it will ultimately choose to remain in Tier One for money and status reasons. That will be the expectation of ND fans.

(So, to answer the OP, yes, Jack Swarbrick is getting ND fans ready for the possibility of leaving the ACC and joining the Big Ten in full when it is best able to do so.)

(04-26-2022 11:09 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 11:02 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 10:23 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 09:02 AM)esayem Wrote:  Gobbler, I never said ND owes the ACC. I was pointing out the very thing your blog did about self determination. I don’t think it’s too late, unlike the pessimists. The ACC has great bones and Notre Dame joining full time keeps the conference in “tier 1” or whatever you want to call it.

ND as an institution has more in common with the ACC than any other conference and there is a reason they are here. It isn’t just bowl bids.

ND joining the ACC in football will do little to bridge the $$$$ gap between the ACC and the Big Ten/SEC.

It certainly will not raise the ACC payouts from $40 million a year to over $80 million or more per year.

ND joining the Big Ten will net the Irish lots of cash and Tier One status.


GAME OVER

That’s fine, but ND is not Independent. They have to play five ACC teams each season. They are pseudo-Independent.

ND is independent with a five game ACC scheduling agreement in football, similar to the three Big Ten schools and two Big East schools it played every year before 2012.

ND games do not count in conference standings, they are OOC games for ACC teams. They are just another game or games on the schedule to ND.

ND football is not in any ACC division nor does it play for a conference championship. ND gets no ACC/ESPN money for football nor does it share its NBC football TV money with the conference

Either way, it makes no business sense for ND football to further entangle itself with the ACC (and I have hated the Big Ten since the mid-Sixties) if it has to surrender its independence to the conferences.

I like Notre Dame and I think their independence is one of the coolest things about college football. I’m probably in the minority for a non-Notre Dame fan.

But to compare the current ACC deal with the Big Ten and Big East games is inaccurate. They didn’t have contracts as far as I know.

So while ND may be listed as an Independent in the standings, the fact remains they are bound for the first time in history to play almost half their schedule against a conference.

Not much ND has done by remaining Independent has made business sense vs joining the Big Ten, has it?

The ACC offers a much more national schedule than the Big Ten, which isn’t anywhere south of DC. Also, I’m not sure why you think adding the former Big East schools was bait for Notre Dame. They were talked about as far back as 1990 when the ACC (ESPN) had designs on occupying the entire east coast. Syracuse? Does ND have a large following in Syracuse NY? Lol

(04-26-2022 11:23 AM)green Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 11:12 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 11:04 AM)green Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 10:52 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 10:44 AM)green Wrote:  are you privy to aforementioned contracts or ongoing negotiations ...

JUST SAYIN’

ND may be worth a lot, but not nearly enough to close the gap of 20-30-40-50 million dollars.

THE WHOLE IS GREATER THAN SUM OF ITS PARTS

The ACC with ND football included will not come anywhere near the Big Ten payouts.

MATH IS FUNDAMENTAL

certainly, stand-alone nd won’t approach b1g payouts for 15 years ...

BY THE SHORT HAIRS

Who mentioned a stand alone ND?

I am talking about ND joining the Big Ten for all that filthy Big Ten lucre and Tier One status.

(Until it can do so, the NBC deal come up for renewal in 2025. ND will get a nice big pay raise then, unlike the ACC)

ND will get a full conference share from the beginning, unlike Maryland and Rutgers, who do not have the clout and desirability of ND to the Big Ten.

HAIR CLUB FOR MEN

(04-26-2022 11:39 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 11:21 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 10:44 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 10:23 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 08:49 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Jack knows that ND has to join the Big Ten in full to play Tier One college football in the P2 future, breakaway or not.

Everything not in the Big Ten or SEC will be considered Tier Two football, a step down.

The money disparity between the two will determine the tiers.

He is letting the ND fan base know this. That was who his audience was. He wasn't just spewing hot air to hear himself talk.

ND has to decide which way to go.

The administration will lean towards the Tier Two academic side, the big donors, alumni and fan base will push hard to keep ND football at Tier One.

ND may or may not have enough clout if in Tier Two to remain a football independent and cut some kind of deal for the rest. If in Tier One, its all in.

My guess is that ND will re-sign with NBC for a five year deal, let the dust settle and will make a move around 2030 if necessary.

Which side wins? Jack is just teeing this up with his statements. I don't think that debate has even begun at ND.

I think the side that wants ND to stay with Tier One football will win. Time will tell.

I agree that events may well force ND football to join a conference. I just think that, if so, it is more likely to be the Big Ten than the ACC.

If ND has to sell its independence, I don't think it will go to the lowest bidder and not for Tier Two status.

As much as I hate the idea, I think ND moves to join the Big Ten in full around 2030 and challenges/pays off the GOR. Just my prediction.

Woo! Is this real TerryD?

A quick question.

Let’s say the BIG and the SEC are Tier I and the ACC and the Pac are Tier II (you can include the B12 and G5 in the Tier II; it doesn’t matter)

What if both Tier I and Tier II adopt the pay for play model and ND decides not to go with it? Then, ND is going to stay independent and play Ivy and Patriot league schools? I think that’s certainly a possibility.

I don't.

I think that ND joins the Big Ten in full and makes about $100 million or so a year in TV/conference payouts and plays in a Tier One /P2 league.

I think that ND will adopt pay for play, ultimately, if that is what the P2 do.

We shall see.

Understood.

I just have to point out that this is a complete reversal of your previous position that ND won’t surrender the football independence except for champ only playoff and ND is institutionally different from others.

Well, as a lawyer, I have often changed my opinions when the facts change.

Texas/Oklahoma to the SEC, NIL and the coming pay to play are changed facts.

A "caste system" of two conferences in Tier One and everyone else in a lower level of football is a seismic change for college football.

The entire landscape of college football is about to shift and change, hence my changed opinion.

It may well be that ND chooses the academic Tier Two route. But, I have serious doubts about that.

If it does, then ND may stay independent and use its clout/money/influence to stay independent forever. So, even in that event ND football will not join the ACC.

(ND will have even more relative clout in Tier Two if the Big Ten/SEC move on without it and ND stays with the Tier Two schools)

But, will it want to do that or play Big Boy Football? In a P2 Tier One, I doubt ND can stay football independent.

I just think it will ultimately choose to remain in Tier One for money and status reasons. That will be the expectation of ND fans.

(So, to answer the OP, yes, Jack Swarbrick is getting ND fans ready for the possibility of leaving the ACC and joining the Big Ten in full when it is best able to do so.)

https://twitter.com/dennisdoddcbs/status...6201482241

meanwhile, compounding wealth leaves indy ND in the dust ...

ALTERNATIVE FACTS

Also, don’t you think ESPN will bid to keep Notre Dame under their umbrella? Why lose the last fat whale to your competition when historically fans HATE the Big Ten?

I still believe ESPN will use the GOR time to conjure up an offer that can’t be refused, whether that be absorbing top brands (ND, UNC, Duke, Clemson, FSU, Miami, and others) into the SEC media package or shedding some blubber to keep the ACC competitive.

But please, continue on the doomsday path.

(04-26-2022 11:54 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 11:09 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 11:02 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 10:23 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 09:02 AM)esayem Wrote:  Gobbler, I never said ND owes the ACC. I was pointing out the very thing your blog did about self determination. I don’t think it’s too late, unlike the pessimists. The ACC has great bones and Notre Dame joining full time keeps the conference in “tier 1” or whatever you want to call it.

ND as an institution has more in common with the ACC than any other conference and there is a reason they are here. It isn’t just bowl bids.

ND joining the ACC in football will do little to bridge the $$$$ gap between the ACC and the Big Ten/SEC.

It certainly will not raise the ACC payouts from $40 million a year to over $80 million or more per year.

ND joining the Big Ten will net the Irish lots of cash and Tier One status.


GAME OVER

That’s fine, but ND is not Independent. They have to play five ACC teams each season. They are pseudo-Independent.

ND is independent with a five game ACC scheduling agreement in football, similar to the three Big Ten schools and two Big East schools it played every year before 2012.

ND games do not count in conference standings, they are OOC games for ACC teams. They are just another game or games on the schedule to ND.

ND football is not in any ACC division nor does it play for a conference championship. ND gets no ACC/ESPN money for football nor does it share its NBC football TV money with the conference

Either way, it makes no business sense for ND football to further entangle itself with the ACC (and I have hated the Big Ten since the mid-Sixties) if it has to surrender its independence to the conferences.

I like Notre Dame and I think their independence is one of the coolest things about college football. I’m probably in the minority for a non-Notre Dame fan.

But to compare the current ACC deal with the Big Ten and Big East games is inaccurate. They didn’t have contracts as far as I know.

So while ND may be listed as an Independent in the standings, the fact remains they are bound for the first time in history to play almost half their schedule against a conference.

Not much ND has done by remaining Independent has made business sense vs joining the Big Ten, has it?

The ACC offers a much more national schedule than the Big Ten, which isn’t anywhere south of DC. Also, I’m not sure why you think adding the former Big East schools was bait for Notre Dame. They were talked about as far back as 1990 when the ACC (ESPN) had designs on occupying the entire east coast. Syracuse? Does ND have a large following in Syracuse NY? Lol

I read that stuff from ACC sources. I never believed it, though.

Five games a year (ACC versus Big Ten and Big East) is still five games dedicated per year, contract or no contract. Check old ND schedules.

SAME DIFFERENCE

(04-26-2022 07:54 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 07:18 AM)esayem Wrote:  The irony is, Notre Dame probably had the weight to convince Texas to join the ACC with them. It would have been Notre Dame’s ideal conference with academic minded schools up and down the east coast into Texas.

Let me start by saying Notre Dame owes nothing to the ACC. If ACC schools can't get out of their own way to fix the conference they themselves built, why would anyone want to tie his future to that mess?

That said, Notre Dame has been very short-sighted in my opinion, which has allowed the Big Ten to play them like a drum.

In the first year of my blog (2012!), I wrote an article about the difference between independence and self-determination called "Why Notre Dame should join a conference". In it, I tried to make the point that
"Until now the Fighting Irish have enjoyed their football independence, but that could end at any time. If they are pro-active they can choose which conference to join, but if they wait they may lose both their independence and their self-determination as well. "

Have the Irish waited too long already? Are they doomed to lose both their independence AND their freedom to choose which conference? If Terry is correct, it's starting to look that way.

While the ACC was focused on giving Notre Dame a nice home, the Big Ten planned to raise the rent until they could no longer afford to live there.

Yep!
Ultimately mid-west culture won out over size even if the monies were about to be similar.
I think Bilas touted the official ESPN line about an ACC/SEC merger, and Notre Dame has opted out for the B1G. It's a good thing that the engagement is being called off so that a divorce wouldn't be necessary (divorce is still frowned upon).
The ND and ACC fans never really bought into one another.

(04-26-2022 11:55 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 11:23 AM)green Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 11:12 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 11:04 AM)green Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 10:52 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  ND may be worth a lot, but not nearly enough to close the gap of 20-30-40-50 million dollars.

THE WHOLE IS GREATER THAN SUM OF ITS PARTS

The ACC with ND football included will not come anywhere near the Big Ten payouts.

MATH IS FUNDAMENTAL

certainly, stand-alone nd won’t approach b1g payouts for 15 years ...

BY THE SHORT HAIRS

Who mentioned a stand alone ND?

I am talking about ND joining the Big Ten for all that filthy Big Ten lucre and Tier One status.

(Until it can do so, the NBC deal come up for renewal in 2025. ND will get a nice big pay raise then, unlike the ACC)

ND will get a full conference share from the beginning, unlike Maryland and Rutgers, who do not have the clout and desirability of ND to the Big Ten.

HAIR CLUB FOR MEN

alliance game(s) of the week + Orange Bowl ...

YOU’LL GET NOTHING & LIKE IT

I’d say it’s time for ESPN to make ND a full ACC member or release them from the conference and add WVU and Cincinnati to get to 16. No point keep ND around if they are going to jump to the big 10 in 5 years or so.

(04-26-2022 12:39 PM)bluesox Wrote:  I’d say it’s time for ESPN to make ND a full ACC member or release them from the conference and add WVU and Cincinnati to get to 16. No point keep ND around if they are going to jump to the big 10 in 15 years or so (FIFY).

STUCK ON US

(04-26-2022 11:57 AM)green Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 11:39 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-26-2022 11:21 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 10:44 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 10:23 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  Woo! Is this real TerryD?

A quick question.

Let’s say the BIG and the SEC are Tier I and the ACC and the Pac are Tier II (you can include the B12 and G5 in the Tier II; it doesn’t matter)

What if both Tier I and Tier II adopt the pay for play model and ND decides not to go with it? Then, ND is going to stay independent and play Ivy and Patriot league schools? I think that’s certainly a possibility.

I don't.

I think that ND joins the Big Ten in full and makes about $100 million or so a year in TV/conference payouts and plays in a Tier One /P2 league.

I think that ND will adopt pay for play, ultimately, if that is what the P2 do.

We shall see.

Understood.

I just have to point out that this is a complete reversal of your previous position that ND won’t surrender the football independence except for champ only playoff and ND is institutionally different from others.

Well, as a lawyer, I have often changed my opinions when the facts change.

Texas/Oklahoma to the SEC, NIL and the coming pay to play are changed facts.

A "caste system" of two conferences in Tier One and everyone else in a lower level of football is a seismic change for college football.

The entire landscape of college football is about to shift and change, hence my changed opinion.

It may well be that ND chooses the academic Tier Two route. But, I have serious doubts about that.

If it does, then ND may stay independent and use its clout/money/influence to stay independent forever. So, even in that event ND football will not join the ACC.

(ND will have even more relative clout in Tier Two if the Big Ten/SEC move on without it and ND stays with the Tier Two schools)

But, will it want to do that or play Big Boy Football? In a P2 Tier One, I doubt ND can stay football independent.

I just think it will ultimately choose to remain in Tier One for money and status reasons. That will be the expectation of ND fans.

(So, to answer the OP, yes, Jack Swarbrick is getting ND fans ready for the possibility of leaving the ACC and joining the Big Ten in full when it is best able to do so.)

https://twitter.com/dennisdoddcbs/status...6201482241

meanwhile, compounding wealth leaves indy ND in the dust ...

ALTERNATIVE FACTS

Somehow, "left in the dust" independent ND is #6 in total revenues, with the worst TV and conference payout of any P5 level school.

(Don't forget that ND's TV deal renews in 2025, not 2036 like the ACC)

So, the money is flowing from somewhere for ND.

MONEY FOR NOTHING

Who is "compounding wealth", the ACC?

Is that why the SEC and Big Ten will lap it?

ALTERNATE REALITY (seems to me)

Notre Dame doesn’t need Big Ten money to compete, and as Terry said they will renew the NBC deal. IMO this is more about Swarbrick coming to grips with having to tell the eggheads ND will be going along with the minor leagues.

(04-26-2022 01:24 PM)esayem Wrote:  Notre Dame doesn’t need Big Ten money to compete, and as Terry said they will renew the NBC deal. IMO this is more about Swarbrick coming to grips with having to tell the eggheads ND will be going along with the minor leagues.

The eggheads would love it.

The big donors, the alumni and the fan base will revolt.

I think that your post is correct except for the last line.