How does it make sense for Minnesota to effectively rent Correa at a high price for one season? They missed the playoffs by 19 games last year, and missed 6th place (what would be last playoff spot in 2022) by 18 games.

(03-19-2022 01:29 AM)Wedge Wrote:  How does it make sense for Minnesota to effectively rent Correa at a high price for one season? They missed the playoffs by 19 games last year, and missed 6th place (what would be last playoff spot in 2022) by 18 games.

It really doesn't. But realistically that's exactly what it is.

Only thing I can guess is that if the Twins are out of it at the deadline they try to trade him and get prospects back in return that would be better than a draft pick(which for the Twins would be down around the 70th pick in the draft). Feels like that would be a pretty safe bet.

Not a good look for the Yankees. Twins used avoided Donaldson money to pick up Correa.

(03-19-2022 02:01 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-19-2022 01:29 AM)Wedge Wrote:  How does it make sense for Minnesota to effectively rent Correa at a high price for one season? They missed the playoffs by 19 games last year, and missed 6th place (what would be last playoff spot in 2022) by 18 games.

It really doesn't. But realistically that's exactly what it is.

Maybe were under pressure from baseball to do the signing and take one for the sport.

(03-18-2022 07:23 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(03-16-2022 12:51 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(03-15-2022 08:06 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Am I crazy or did the Braves just redefine the market for Freeman?

Sign a comparable player who's younger to a longer term deal for less money?

Not saying Freeman won't get a monster contract, but it's going to take multiple high level bidders going back and forth.

Just a few years ago, the City of Atlanta government cartel tried to hold the Braves hostage and force them to sign a new crappy lease downtown for Turner Field surrounded by urban blight and abandoned when team not in town caused primarily by...the City of Atlanta government. They told the Braves they had no choice and nowhere else they could go. Fast forward to today, Braves have a beautiful new ballpark just north of the Atlanta city limits, surrounded by prosperity, tons of thriving businesses and a pleasant place to spend the afternoon/evening watching a game or just hanging out nearby whether a game was in town or not.

Getting to Truist Park is a pain though

Free parking and a short walk? Much easier, and far more pleasant than old downtown stadium for sure.

(03-18-2022 09:25 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Dodgers/Braves gonna be interesting for sure.... Jansen now going to the Braves.

Not sure how I feel about this one as per all the comments the last few years on Jansen. Braves made a big blunder not re-signing Melancon last year. Anyone really believe Will Smith won't revert to his previous "uh, oh, oh no" form? Last year's playoffs were an aberration for him, but he still made it an adventure. Trade Jansen to AZ for Melancon, solves the problem.

Edit: Jansen walked 12.9% of opponents last year, his highest rate since his 2010 rookie season, the fourth consecutive year in which Jansen’s walk percentage climbed relative to the year prior, and it was his first season in a decade walking more batters than the average reliever did. Not good.

edit: Hardly a flamethrower by today’s standards, but Melancon has established himself as one of the game’s most consistently effective relievers. Across a 13-year career with the Yankees, Astros, Red Sox, Pirates, Nationals, Giants, Braves, and Padres, Melancon has covered 670 2/3 innings with a sparkling 2.79 ERA (2.94 FIP). His 244 saves ranked fourth among active players. His home run rate of 1.4% is less than half the 2.9% big-league average. Can't say the same about Jansen, who tends to give up the longball at the worst possible times, despite his decent numbers overall. Kills you in the playoffs, and Will Smith said he was willing to step aside as closer to sign Jansen. Guess Smith knew his luck was due to change this year and wants someone else to take the blame. We'll have to see how this goes, but thank goodness Brave limited the damage to just a one-year deal.

what a picture-

(03-19-2022 10:32 AM)stever20 Wrote:  what a picture-

And remember… back then he was a catcher!

Great Dodger; I’ll miss him but not sure I’ll miss the heartburn I got when he came out of the bullpen the last couple of years. (But to be fair, he did seem to rebound somewhat from the inconsistency in 2021.)

Lots of chatter about Dodgers going after Kimbrel, which makes sense. Had a huge comeback last season.

(03-19-2022 10:37 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  Lots of chatter about Dodgers going after Kimbrel, which makes sense. Had a huge comeback last season.

Braves-Dogs is approaching Red Sox-Yankers territory.

Back story on Jansen/Dodgers: LA wanted to sign, and were even willing to give him 2 years (he signed a one year deal with Atlanta) but asked him to wait to see if they could clear salary and avoid the 80% threshold of the CBT of $290MM. They're less than $5MM from it now.

Holy @#$%

I'm certainly not gonna complain about this - if the Dodgers are comfortable spending $290MM on payroll and also the subsequent tax, ok by me. But if you're looking for reasons the CBA is difficult to negotiate, this really shines a light on the gap(s) within ownership. While there are teams that are happy to be non-competitive and just enjoy the shared wealth, there are owners out there who really want to win but simply don't have the markets to compete with this kind of spending and have virtually no chance to contend. It's like the Power 5 vs Group of 5 conferences in FBS.

(03-21-2022 10:56 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  I'm certainly not gonna complain about this - if the Dodgers are comfortable spending $290MM on payroll and also the subsequent tax, ok by me. But if you're looking for reasons the CBA is difficult to negotiate, this really shines a light on the gap(s) within ownership. While there are teams that are happy to be non-competitive and just enjoy the shared wealth, there are owners out there who really want to win but simply don't have the markets to compete with this kind of spending and have virtually no chance to contend. It's like the Power 5 vs Group of 5 conferences in FBS.

wonder what that's like...

edit: but more seriously, it's one of the reasons I find it easier to root for a mid-market team over a big-spender big market team. The Mid-market GMs and organizations have to be more precise and use the whole system from the farm, to good coaching and teaching, to successful reclamation projects, to knowing when to press and when to let go, and try to make signings that work for the longer term good, even if it means letting a heretofore fan-favorite or two go somewhere else because the financials just don't make rational sense. Mid-markets can't just buy their championships and cover over or eat their mistakes with more money. Though I have no connection, you have to really admire the philosophy of a Tampa Bay Rays club who competes in arguably the toughest division year-in, year-out, and yet can find a way to consistently win by simply being better at what the game and the finances are about than the boys with big pockets. Makes teams like Cubs/Phillies look pathetic when they have the resources but not the will or know-how of how to win. And while I sided with Owners in the CBA because they provide the opportunity and take the risks, one area I would like to see is any revenue sharing MUST be spent on player development and/or player salaries. Just pocketing the revenue sharing seems harmful to the game overall.

man that looks weird-

(03-21-2022 10:49 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  Back story on Jansen/Dodgers: LA wanted to sign, and were even willing to give him 2 years (he signed a one year deal with Atlanta) but asked him to wait to see if they could clear salary and avoid the 80% threshold of the CBT of $290MM. They're less than $5MM from it now.

Holy @#$%

BASEBALL NEEDS A SALARY CAP

(03-21-2022 02:06 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(03-21-2022 10:49 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  Back story on Jansen/Dodgers: LA wanted to sign, and were even willing to give him 2 years (he signed a one year deal with Atlanta) but asked him to wait to see if they could clear salary and avoid the 80% threshold of the CBT of $290MM. They're less than $5MM from it now.

Holy @#$%

BASEBALL NEEDS A SALARY CAP

MLB needs a salary floor far more than it needs a cap.

(03-21-2022 02:12 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(03-21-2022 02:06 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(03-21-2022 10:49 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  Back story on Jansen/Dodgers: LA wanted to sign, and were even willing to give him 2 years (he signed a one year deal with Atlanta) but asked him to wait to see if they could clear salary and avoid the 80% threshold of the CBT of $290MM. They're less than $5MM from it now.

Holy @#$%

BASEBALL NEEDS A SALARY CAP

MLB needs a salary floor far more than it needs a cap.

Right. Saw the Pirates have a team salary of about 22.5 million right now.

26 rookies would get paid 18.2 million.

Far more of a problem with them than I do with teams that actually give a damn.

(03-21-2022 02:12 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(03-21-2022 02:06 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(03-21-2022 10:49 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  Back story on Jansen/Dodgers: LA wanted to sign, and were even willing to give him 2 years (he signed a one year deal with Atlanta) but asked him to wait to see if they could clear salary and avoid the 80% threshold of the CBT of $290MM. They're less than $5MM from it now.

Holy @#$%

BASEBALL NEEDS A SALARY CAP

MLB needs a salary floor far more than it needs a cap.

Exactly.

(03-21-2022 02:12 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(03-21-2022 02:06 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(03-21-2022 10:49 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  Back story on Jansen/Dodgers: LA wanted to sign, and were even willing to give him 2 years (he signed a one year deal with Atlanta) but asked him to wait to see if they could clear salary and avoid the 80% threshold of the CBT of $290MM. They're less than $5MM from it now.

Holy @#$%

BASEBALL NEEDS A SALARY CAP

MLB needs a salary floor far more than it needs a cap.

Needs both