Quote:By and large, leftists like to consider themselves higher-minded and more civilized people than the bumpkin peasants of middle America. If you’re tooling engines in a shop or maintaining pipes in a sewer, the left generally believes you’re probably not very refined as a person.
One thing that has always been a point of contention between these elitists and everyone else is that if these blue-collar workers disappeared tomorrow, civilization would collapse and these leftists who thought they were too good for the rabble would be the first to die off. They take civilization, something that these blue-collar workers built, for granted.
It’s an opinion that former “Dirty Jobs” host Mike Rowe shares and he discussed as much with podcast host Tim Pool in a very interesting conversation.
“Liberals won’t survive the apocalypse,” Pool began. “People in cities won’t know how to survive. They don’t know how to hunt. And there are a lot more people who are more rural who believe they will probably fare better.”
Pool added that many of these “Starbucks hippies” wouldn’t do too well if and when it all goes belly-up, implying that they wouldn’t know how to take care of themselves, a complete opposite assessment he gave to rural farmers who know how to work the land and raise livestock.
Rowe couldn’t help but agree, pointing out which team he’d be on in these situations.
“If you had to choose a side — I mean it’s “Walking Dead” time, okay,” said Rowe. “You’re gonna have to hunker down in a place that is primarily populated with well-educated, thoughtful writers and thinkers? Or hunters and gatherers and builders? What team do you go on when things get sporty?”
This conversation brings up an interesting thought experiment.
What happens when civilization collapses? How many people would die and how quickly because they don’t have the ability to take care of themselves, or know how to fish or hunt? How used to creature comforts are people that the moment things did regress back into a sort of dark age that many would rather end it themselves because they can’t handle the strain of life without ease?
To be sure, both people on the right and the left have gotten soft, but it’s doubtless that people on the right would be more willing to embrace a survivalist lifestyle than the left. The left has, by and large, taken civilization for granted and become wholly reliant upon it as a result. They think peace, full stomachs, and goods just happen. The right typically understands the mechanics of society and while it’s likely many would die, the right would be most likely to resort to the basics of these mechanics and also be the most likely to reorder them to restore civilization.
But all this also leads to other questions. If we were facing the collapse of our country due to an attack, who would be the first to go? Once again, the leftist would be the obvious choice since they’re wholly resistant to the idea of self-defense through the best means. For hundreds of years, the leftists have had other people do their fighting for them and even spitting on them for it. They wouldn’t be able to defend
When you really break it down, the leftists have had all of their needs taken care of for them be it farming, maintenance, or defense, and their true status as a societal parasite would become very apparent in the event of civilization’s collapse. When savagery of nature rears its head, the leftist won’t be able to “woke” himself to victory. He’ll likely be consumed by whatever force is bearing down on him, be it starvation or violence.
Pool and Rowe are right. The left isn’t surviving the apocalypse.
Hunting and fishing can't support even the number of rural people. Make that the primary source of food and it will all be gone in a few months.
Farming? Unless you are an armed compound, how will you keep what you are growing? Without chemicals and gasoline, farm production will drop like a rock. Millions will starve in the first two years. After that you might see agriculture reorganize to a point that it can sustain the people who are left.
There will be no "winner" if things fall apart. The bodies will pile up everywhere.
World War Z, the book not the awful movie, goes into pretty deep detail on the fall of modern civilization and some of these topics. From things like people going North where the zombies freeze but having no idea how to survive in the cold to people basically going feral. Great read even if you are not into the zombie genre
The writer has another great book about an attack on an ultra-liberal green community in the pacific northwest that gets attacked by yetis trying to escape a mt Reiner volcanic eruption and how those green/liberal ideals quickly fall to the wayside against when nature turns against you. Called Devolution. Basically humans were pray to the yeti but evolved with tools and community and eventually almost killed all of them off, but humans have since devolved back into a weaker species.
(01-12-2022 01:46 PM)bobdizole Wrote: World War Z, the book not the awful movie, goes into pretty deep detail on the fall of modern civilization and some of these topics. From things like people going North where the zombies freeze but having no idea how to survive in the cold to people basically going feral. Great read even if you are not into the zombie genre
The writer has another great book about an attack on an ultra-liberal green community in the pacific northwest that gets attacked by yetis trying to escape a mt Reiner volcanic eruption and how those green/liberal ideals quickly fall to the wayside against when nature turns against you. Called Devolution. Basically humans were pray to the yeti but evolved with tools and community and eventually almost killed all of them off, but humans have since devolved back into a weaker species.
You might enjoy the opening chapters of The Unincorporated Man.
Virtual reality gaming progresses to incorporate all senses. Society collapses as people become addicted to virtual reality. As the collapse happens, more and more people just plug their families up to the VR so they don't suffer. They starve to death in a VR world.
(01-12-2022 01:35 PM)Claw Wrote: This is romantic bull****.
Hunting and fishing can't support even the number of rural people. Make that the primary source of food and it will all be gone in a few months.
Farming? Unless you are an armed compound, how will you keep what you are growing? Without chemicals and gasoline, farm production will drop like a rock. Millions will starve in the first two years. After that you might see agriculture reorganize to a point that it can sustain the people who are left.
There will be no "winner" if things fall apart. The bodies will pile up everywhere.
I tend to agree with this. Unless you live REALLY far out there and have your own hobby farm eventually it's going to catch up with you when everybody's trying to scavenge and live off the land.
(This post was last modified: 01-12-2022 02:45 PM by b2b.)
(01-12-2022 01:35 PM)Claw Wrote: This is romantic bull****.
Hunting and fishing can't support even the number of rural people. Make that the primary source of food and it will all be gone in a few months.
Farming? Unless you are an armed compound, how will you keep what you are growing? Without chemicals and gasoline, farm production will drop like a rock. Millions will starve in the first two years. After that you might see agriculture reorganize to a point that it can sustain the people who are left.
There will be no "winner" if things fall apart. The bodies will pile up everywhere.
Claw has a point.
I've seen men catch fish and if they were too small throw them off in the weeds instead of throwing them back in the water because they only want big fish.
I've seen men kill deer illegally and continue to do so just for giggles or just to get a rack. Let me rephrase that.. I've found deer carcasses that had heads missing or just the backstraps removed and the rest left to rot.
If these people survive and are around in an apocalypse, they'd still do the same dumb stuff and would doom humanity. The only difference would be they'd do it year round and then complain come winter there's no deer meat.
They wouldn't survive the Zombie Apocalypse either....and neither would the zombies. Democrats would die because they wouldn’t have guns to blast the zombies to oblivion. The zombies would die (for good) after munching on the brains of Democrats.
BUT, but, why do so many (the majority) of Leftists look like they just got finished weeding the garden?
I have to give credit to sooommmmeee of them because they do know about herbal medicine, herbs and gardening but I don't think the majority would be able to fend for themselves. My nieces BF doesn't even know how to fish and that's as easy as can be. It doesn't take a genius to fish, to hunt that's a different animal. I've done it and in a pinch I think I could still do it but I'm not an expert. I also think I can build an adobe house not a big one but big enough like the settlers did in the early days. No mansions are required just something to keep you out of the elements.
(01-12-2022 03:15 PM)Claw Wrote: There's a reason we have industrial-sized farm operations for livestock and crops - even fish for that matter.
There are WAY too many of us to survive using 1800's farming techniques.
Yeah, but 60-70 million would starve in the first month or die in the riots. Every big city/metro area would descend into chaos within 7-10 days. Within 3 months 80-90% of every major and mid size metro area would be dead. At that point we are already back to 1920s population levels.
So it’s really just about surviving the first 3-6 months and then you have sustainable levels with early 20th century systems. That’s the point about who would survive. You don’t need farming and game to support 350 million, you need it for the 120 million that could survive for that six months.
I may have to eat a lot of catfish, bluegill and rabbit, but I can make it six months.
(01-12-2022 03:15 PM)Claw Wrote: There's a reason we have industrial-sized farm operations for livestock and crops - even fish for that matter.
There are WAY too many of us to survive using 1800's farming techniques.
Yeah, but 60-70 million would starve in the first month or die in the riots. Every big city/metro area would descend into chaos within 7-10 days. Within 3 months 80-90% of every major and mid size metro area would be dead. At that point we are already back to 1920s population levels.
So it’s really just about surviving the first 3-6 months and then you have sustainable levels with early 20th century systems. That’s the point about who would survive. You don’t need farming and game to support 350 million, you need it for the 120 million that could survive for that six months.
I may have to eat a lot of catfish, bluegill and rabbit, but I can make it six months.
Country folks abosolutely would survive. Gotta a well, an creek, saw a flock of turkey last week, have to keep from hitting deer with truck at night. Forty acres is enough to support an extended family with corn, beans and squash.
Plenty of ammo and weapons.
Bring it frickers.
Adios prog filth urbanites.
(This post was last modified: 01-12-2022 03:56 PM by shere khan.)
(01-12-2022 03:15 PM)Claw Wrote: There's a reason we have industrial-sized farm operations for livestock and crops - even fish for that matter.
There are WAY too many of us to survive using 1800's farming techniques.
Yeah, but 60-70 million would starve in the first month or die in the riots. Every big city/metro area would descend into chaos within 7-10 days. Within 3 months 80-90% of every major and mid size metro area would be dead. At that point we are already back to 1920s population levels.
So it’s really just about surviving the first 3-6 months and then you have sustainable levels with early 20th century systems. That’s the point about who would survive. You don’t need farming and game to support 350 million, you need it for the 120 million that could survive for that six months.
I may have to eat a lot of catfish, bluegill and rabbit, but I can make it six months.
That in bold is the reality. People in big cities would just eat each other alive until they were all gone. Lord of the flies...... I do not live in the country, but I am out far enough that there is a lot of natural resources around and as a community I think most could get by.
(01-12-2022 03:15 PM)Claw Wrote: There's a reason we have industrial-sized farm operations for livestock and crops - even fish for that matter.
There are WAY too many of us to survive using 1800's farming techniques.
Yeah, but 60-70 million would starve in the first month or die in the riots. Every big city/metro area would descend into chaos within 7-10 days. Within 3 months 80-90% of every major and mid size metro area would be dead. At that point we are already back to 1920s population levels.
So it’s really just about surviving the first 3-6 months and then you have sustainable levels with early 20th century systems. That’s the point about who would survive. You don’t need farming and game to support 350 million, you need it for the 120 million that could survive for that six months.
I may have to eat a lot of catfish, bluegill and rabbit, but I can make it six months.
Country folks abosolutely would survive. Gotta a well, an creek, saw a flock of turkey last week, have to keep from hitting deer with truck at night. Forty acres is enough to support an extended family with corn, beans and squash.
Plenty of ammo and weapons.
Bring it frickers.
Adios prog filth urbanites.
Some here seem to think all that it takes to go shoot a deer is get a rifle and go to the woods. It don't work that way hoss. I'm an AVID deer hunter, have been since I was old enough to legally go. I killed zero deer the last two years, mainly because I don't need the meat so my days in the woods weren't as hyper-focused on bagging one. Even at that I am still pretty quiet and conscious of my environment. But, I was just careless enough that those I saw were far enough away that I didn't have a good shot. If I absolutely needed the meat my approach would be far different and I guarantee you I could go out and come home with meat.
Liberal loons wouldn't last a minute in the woods with no stealth skills at all and with a gun they have no idea how to use.
I own acreage that butts up to a 200 acre farm we've leased for the last 10 years and have been hunting since the early 70's. The farm owner lives in Hermitage and we rare;y ever see him, we have free run of the place in exchange for taking care of it for him year round. We built a small cabin on it, no electricity or running water though. It has a nice spring fed creek running through it, plenty of game and plenty of open fields for planting. It has one way in and one way out by vehicle so it would be pretty easily defended should it come to that. The back side of it backs up to the Loosahatchie River so it's only accessible by boat.
I have 3 brothers, all who know what 's needed to survive on a place like that, and all are well armed. I am well stocked with ammo - from personal defense or tactical rounds to hunting rounds - and firearms. We probably couldn't withstand a horde but we could take out more than a few at a time. Pretty much everyone in my immediate family could survive something like that for a minute anyway.
I aint scared, not yet anyway. I bet zombies can't climb trees. I may have to build a tree house out there. Freakin zombies...
(01-12-2022 01:46 PM)bobdizole Wrote: World War Z, the book not the awful movie, goes into pretty deep detail on the fall of modern civilization and some of these topics. From things like people going North where the zombies freeze but having no idea how to survive in the cold to people basically going feral. Great read even if you are not into the zombie genre
The writer has another great book about an attack on an ultra-liberal green community in the pacific northwest that gets attacked by yetis trying to escape a mt Reiner volcanic eruption and how those green/liberal ideals quickly fall to the wayside against when nature turns against you. Called Devolution. Basically humans were pray to the yeti but evolved with tools and community and eventually almost killed all of them off, but humans have since devolved back into a weaker species.
You might enjoy the opening chapters of The Unincorporated Man.
Virtual reality gaming progresses to incorporate all senses. Society collapses as people become addicted to virtual reality. As the collapse happens, more and more people just plug their families up to the VR so they don't suffer. They starve to death in a VR world.
Thanks Claw, I have a 2 hour commute every day to make that city money and sleep a little in the country. Audiobooks keep me sane so I'm always looking for new ones
(01-12-2022 01:46 PM)bobdizole Wrote: World War Z, the book not the awful movie, goes into pretty deep detail on the fall of modern civilization and some of these topics. From things like people going North where the zombies freeze but having no idea how to survive in the cold to people basically going feral. Great read even if you are not into the zombie genre
The writer has another great book about an attack on an ultra-liberal green community in the pacific northwest that gets attacked by yetis trying to escape a mt Reiner volcanic eruption and how those green/liberal ideals quickly fall to the wayside against when nature turns against you. Called Devolution. Basically humans were pray to the yeti but evolved with tools and community and eventually almost killed all of them off, but humans have since devolved back into a weaker species.
You might enjoy the opening chapters of The Unincorporated Man.
Virtual reality gaming progresses to incorporate all senses. Society collapses as people become addicted to virtual reality. As the collapse happens, more and more people just plug their families up to the VR so they don't suffer. They starve to death in a VR world.
Thanks Claw, I have a 2 hour commute every day to make that city money and sleep a little in the country. Audiobooks keep me sane so I'm always looking for new ones
The first one is excellent. The following books are okay, but as often is the case, the first one is much better.
(01-12-2022 03:15 PM)Claw Wrote: There's a reason we have industrial-sized farm operations for livestock and crops - even fish for that matter.
There are WAY too many of us to survive using 1800's farming techniques.
Yeah, but 60-70 million would starve in the first month or die in the riots. Every big city/metro area would descend into chaos within 7-10 days. Within 3 months 80-90% of every major and mid size metro area would be dead. At that point we are already back to 1920s population levels.
So it’s really just about surviving the first 3-6 months and then you have sustainable levels with early 20th century systems. That’s the point about who would survive. You don’t need farming and game to support 350 million, you need it for the 120 million that could survive for that six months.
I may have to eat a lot of catfish, bluegill and rabbit, but I can make it six months.
60-70 million dead in one month? That seems pretty high to me but what do I know? I agree on the chaos but I'd think that it would start spilling over into the suburbs pretty quick. It's not like everybody who doesn't live in the city actually knows how to survive.
(01-12-2022 01:35 PM)Claw Wrote: This is romantic bull****.
Hunting and fishing can't support even the number of rural people. Make that the primary source of food and it will all be gone in a few months.
Farming? Unless you are an armed compound, how will you keep what you are growing? Without chemicals and gasoline, farm production will drop like a rock. Millions will starve in the first two years. After that you might see agriculture reorganize to a point that it can sustain the people who are left.
There will be no "winner" if things fall apart. The bodies will pile up everywhere.
Those farmers prior to the 1900s must've been something else.
I only need to grow enough for my family to eat and store.
But yeah, if an apocalypse comes, millions will die. That's kinda the deal.
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