Quote:By and large, leftists like to consider themselves higher-minded and more civilized people than the bumpkin peasants of middle America. If you’re tooling engines in a shop or maintaining pipes in a sewer, the left generally believes you’re probably not very refined as a person.

One thing that has always been a point of contention between these elitists and everyone else is that if these blue-collar workers disappeared tomorrow, civilization would collapse and these leftists who thought they were too good for the rabble would be the first to die off. They take civilization, something that these blue-collar workers built, for granted.

It’s an opinion that former “Dirty Jobs” host Mike Rowe shares and he discussed as much with podcast host Tim Pool in a very interesting conversation.

“Liberals won’t survive the apocalypse,” Pool began. “People in cities won’t know how to survive. They don’t know how to hunt. And there are a lot more people who are more rural who believe they will probably fare better.”

Pool added that many of these “Starbucks hippies” wouldn’t do too well if and when it all goes belly-up, implying that they wouldn’t know how to take care of themselves, a complete opposite assessment he gave to rural farmers who know how to work the land and raise livestock.

Rowe couldn’t help but agree, pointing out which team he’d be on in these situations.

“If you had to choose a side — I mean it’s “Walking Dead” time, okay,” said Rowe. “You’re gonna have to hunker down in a place that is primarily populated with well-educated, thoughtful writers and thinkers? Or hunters and gatherers and builders? What team do you go on when things get sporty?”





This conversation brings up an interesting thought experiment.

What happens when civilization collapses? How many people would die and how quickly because they don’t have the ability to take care of themselves, or know how to fish or hunt? How used to creature comforts are people that the moment things did regress back into a sort of dark age that many would rather end it themselves because they can’t handle the strain of life without ease?

To be sure, both people on the right and the left have gotten soft, but it’s doubtless that people on the right would be more willing to embrace a survivalist lifestyle than the left. The left has, by and large, taken civilization for granted and become wholly reliant upon it as a result. They think peace, full stomachs, and goods just happen. The right typically understands the mechanics of society and while it’s likely many would die, the right would be most likely to resort to the basics of these mechanics and also be the most likely to reorder them to restore civilization.

But all this also leads to other questions. If we were facing the collapse of our country due to an attack, who would be the first to go? Once again, the leftist would be the obvious choice since they’re wholly resistant to the idea of self-defense through the best means. For hundreds of years, the leftists have had other people do their fighting for them and even spitting on them for it. They wouldn’t be able to defend

When you really break it down, the leftists have had all of their needs taken care of for them be it farming, maintenance, or defense, and their true status as a societal parasite would become very apparent in the event of civilization’s collapse. When savagery of nature rears its head, the leftist won’t be able to “woke” himself to victory. He’ll likely be consumed by whatever force is bearing down on him, be it starvation or violence.

Pool and Rowe are right. The left isn’t surviving the apocalypse.

(01-12-2022 01:46 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  World War Z, the book not the awful movie, goes into pretty deep detail on the fall of modern civilization and some of these topics. From things like people going North where the zombies freeze but having no idea how to survive in the cold to people basically going feral. Great read even if you are not into the zombie genre

The writer has another great book about an attack on an ultra-liberal green community in the pacific northwest that gets attacked by yetis trying to escape a mt Reiner volcanic eruption and how those green/liberal ideals quickly fall to the wayside against when nature turns against you. Called Devolution. Basically humans were pray to the yeti but evolved with tools and community and eventually almost killed all of them off, but humans have since devolved back into a weaker species.

(01-12-2022 01:35 PM)Claw Wrote:  This is romantic bull****.

Hunting and fishing can't support even the number of rural people. Make that the primary source of food and it will all be gone in a few months.

Farming? Unless you are an armed compound, how will you keep what you are growing? Without chemicals and gasoline, farm production will drop like a rock. Millions will starve in the first two years. After that you might see agriculture reorganize to a point that it can sustain the people who are left.

There will be no "winner" if things fall apart. The bodies will pile up everywhere.

(01-12-2022 01:35 PM)Claw Wrote:  This is romantic bull****.

Hunting and fishing can't support even the number of rural people. Make that the primary source of food and it will all be gone in a few months.

Farming? Unless you are an armed compound, how will you keep what you are growing? Without chemicals and gasoline, farm production will drop like a rock. Millions will starve in the first two years. After that you might see agriculture reorganize to a point that it can sustain the people who are left.

There will be no "winner" if things fall apart. The bodies will pile up everywhere.

(01-12-2022 03:15 PM)Claw Wrote:  There's a reason we have industrial-sized farm operations for livestock and crops - even fish for that matter.

There are WAY too many of us to survive using 1800's farming techniques.

(01-12-2022 03:15 PM)Claw Wrote:  There's a reason we have industrial-sized farm operations for livestock and crops - even fish for that matter.

There are WAY too many of us to survive using 1800's farming techniques.

(01-12-2022 03:46 PM)banker Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 03:15 PM)Claw Wrote:  There's a reason we have industrial-sized farm operations for livestock and crops - even fish for that matter.

There are WAY too many of us to survive using 1800's farming techniques.

Yeah, but 60-70 million would starve in the first month or die in the riots. Every big city/metro area would descend into chaos within 7-10 days. Within 3 months 80-90% of every major and mid size metro area would be dead. At that point we are already back to 1920s population levels.

So it’s really just about surviving the first 3-6 months and then you have sustainable levels with early 20th century systems. That’s the point about who would survive. You don’t need farming and game to support 350 million, you need it for the 120 million that could survive for that six months.

I may have to eat a lot of catfish, bluegill and rabbit, but I can make it six months.

(01-12-2022 03:46 PM)banker Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 03:15 PM)Claw Wrote:  There's a reason we have industrial-sized farm operations for livestock and crops - even fish for that matter.

There are WAY too many of us to survive using 1800's farming techniques.

Yeah, but 60-70 million would starve in the first month or die in the riots. Every big city/metro area would descend into chaos within 7-10 days. Within 3 months 80-90% of every major and mid size metro area would be dead. At that point we are already back to 1920s population levels.

So it’s really just about surviving the first 3-6 months and then you have sustainable levels with early 20th century systems. That’s the point about who would survive. You don’t need farming and game to support 350 million, you need it for the 120 million that could survive for that six months.

I may have to eat a lot of catfish, bluegill and rabbit, but I can make it six months.

(01-12-2022 03:55 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 03:46 PM)banker Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 03:15 PM)Claw Wrote:  There's a reason we have industrial-sized farm operations for livestock and crops - even fish for that matter.

There are WAY too many of us to survive using 1800's farming techniques.

Yeah, but 60-70 million would starve in the first month or die in the riots. Every big city/metro area would descend into chaos within 7-10 days. Within 3 months 80-90% of every major and mid size metro area would be dead. At that point we are already back to 1920s population levels.

So it’s really just about surviving the first 3-6 months and then you have sustainable levels with early 20th century systems. That’s the point about who would survive. You don’t need farming and game to support 350 million, you need it for the 120 million that could survive for that six months.

I may have to eat a lot of catfish, bluegill and rabbit, but I can make it six months.

Country folks abosolutely would survive. Gotta a well, an creek, saw a flock of turkey last week, have to keep from hitting deer with truck at night. Forty acres is enough to support an extended family with corn, beans and squash.

Plenty of ammo and weapons.

Bring it frickers.

Adios prog filth urbanites.

(01-12-2022 01:56 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 01:46 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  World War Z, the book not the awful movie, goes into pretty deep detail on the fall of modern civilization and some of these topics. From things like people going North where the zombies freeze but having no idea how to survive in the cold to people basically going feral. Great read even if you are not into the zombie genre

The writer has another great book about an attack on an ultra-liberal green community in the pacific northwest that gets attacked by yetis trying to escape a mt Reiner volcanic eruption and how those green/liberal ideals quickly fall to the wayside against when nature turns against you. Called Devolution. Basically humans were pray to the yeti but evolved with tools and community and eventually almost killed all of them off, but humans have since devolved back into a weaker species.

You might enjoy the opening chapters of The Unincorporated Man.

Virtual reality gaming progresses to incorporate all senses. Society collapses as people become addicted to virtual reality. As the collapse happens, more and more people just plug their families up to the VR so they don't suffer. They starve to death in a VR world.

(01-12-2022 09:55 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 01:56 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 01:46 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  World War Z, the book not the awful movie, goes into pretty deep detail on the fall of modern civilization and some of these topics. From things like people going North where the zombies freeze but having no idea how to survive in the cold to people basically going feral. Great read even if you are not into the zombie genre

The writer has another great book about an attack on an ultra-liberal green community in the pacific northwest that gets attacked by yetis trying to escape a mt Reiner volcanic eruption and how those green/liberal ideals quickly fall to the wayside against when nature turns against you. Called Devolution. Basically humans were pray to the yeti but evolved with tools and community and eventually almost killed all of them off, but humans have since devolved back into a weaker species.

You might enjoy the opening chapters of The Unincorporated Man.

Virtual reality gaming progresses to incorporate all senses. Society collapses as people become addicted to virtual reality. As the collapse happens, more and more people just plug their families up to the VR so they don't suffer. They starve to death in a VR world.

Thanks Claw, I have a 2 hour commute every day to make that city money and sleep a little in the country. Audiobooks keep me sane so I'm always looking for new ones

(01-12-2022 03:46 PM)banker Wrote:  

(01-12-2022 03:15 PM)Claw Wrote:  There's a reason we have industrial-sized farm operations for livestock and crops - even fish for that matter.

There are WAY too many of us to survive using 1800's farming techniques.

Yeah, but 60-70 million would starve in the first month or die in the riots. Every big city/metro area would descend into chaos within 7-10 days. Within 3 months 80-90% of every major and mid size metro area would be dead. At that point we are already back to 1920s population levels.

So it’s really just about surviving the first 3-6 months and then you have sustainable levels with early 20th century systems. That’s the point about who would survive. You don’t need farming and game to support 350 million, you need it for the 120 million that could survive for that six months.

I may have to eat a lot of catfish, bluegill and rabbit, but I can make it six months.

(01-12-2022 01:35 PM)Claw Wrote:  This is romantic bull****.

Hunting and fishing can't support even the number of rural people. Make that the primary source of food and it will all be gone in a few months.

Farming? Unless you are an armed compound, how will you keep what you are growing? Without chemicals and gasoline, farm production will drop like a rock. Millions will starve in the first two years. After that you might see agriculture reorganize to a point that it can sustain the people who are left.

There will be no "winner" if things fall apart. The bodies will pile up everywhere.