(12-07-2021 05:22 PM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  ...June Jones seems to be available... wiki says he's coaching a developmental league team or something...

June Jones, lol. Get John Jenkins.

(12-08-2021 04:55 PM)splitstud Wrote:  

(12-07-2021 05:22 PM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  ...June Jones seems to be available... wiki says he's coaching a developmental league team or something...

June Jones, lol. Get John Jenkins.

...honestly, not sure why Jones left UH, but hopefully not under any weird/bad circumstances... I know the one game we (UAB) had against Hawaii was a wild offensive deal, with Jones coaching - but alas, it WAS quite a few years ago, and the game most likely has passed ol' June by...

Et tu, Brute?

Daddy issues.

Imagine being such a terrible person & coach that folks are willing to give up 4 years in Hawaii to get away from you.

A lot has happened since this thread petered out three weeks ago. The Hawaii Bowl cancellation due to Covid was a black eye for the program. Even worse, pretty much all of the best players on the team with remaining eligibility have declared for the transfer portal, including the top QB, RB, WR, DE, DT, LB and DB. Notably, their farewell messages consistently thank the UH fans, their teammates and even the team's trainers and equipment managers, but not the coaching staff. Graham's son bailing just underlines how bad it's gotten.

I don't know what rabbit Graham can pull out of his hat to restock the roster but if he doesn't figure out something it's hard to see UH winning more than one or two games next season.

(12-30-2021 03:57 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  A lot has happened since this thread petered out three weeks ago. The Hawaii Bowl cancellation due to Covid was a black eye for the program. Even worse, pretty much all of the best players on the team with remaining eligibility have declared for the transfer portal, including the top QB, RB, WR, DE, DT, LB and DB. Notably, their farewell messages consistently thank the UH fans, their teammates and even the team's trainers and equipment managers, but not the coaching staff. Graham's son bailing just underlines how bad it's gotten.

I don't know what rabbit Graham can pull out of his hat to restock the roster but if he doesn't figure out something it's hard to see UH winning more than one or two games next season.

...where is the Administration in all of this? I would think between the player mass exodus and obvious dissention in the fan base (including the 'fat cat' alumni), there would be a change made soon - of course, I'm sure Graham's contract is a doozy, else he would have already been shown the door...

(12-30-2021 06:18 PM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  

(12-30-2021 03:57 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  A lot has happened since this thread petered out three weeks ago. The Hawaii Bowl cancellation due to Covid was a black eye for the program. Even worse, pretty much all of the best players on the team with remaining eligibility have declared for the transfer portal, including the top QB, RB, WR, DE, DT, LB and DB. Notably, their farewell messages consistently thank the UH fans, their teammates and even the team's trainers and equipment managers, but not the coaching staff. Graham's son bailing just underlines how bad it's gotten.

I don't know what rabbit Graham can pull out of his hat to restock the roster but if he doesn't figure out something it's hard to see UH winning more than one or two games next season.

...where is the Administration in all of this? I would think between the player mass exodus and obvious dissention in the fan base (including the 'fat cat' alumni), there would be a change made soon - of course, I'm sure Graham's contract is a doozy, else he would have already been shown the door...

Our AD Dave Matlin posted this two days ago:

My guess is that UH’s legal counsel hasn’t found sufficient grounds to terminate Coach Graham for cause and, because the university lacks the $1.2 million needed to buy him out, Matlin has been told to give Graham another year and explain it away as best he can.

Is this the REAL reason Hawaii withdrew from the Hawaii Bowl? I mean, they said it was COVID, but really, was it?

(12-30-2021 09:55 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(12-30-2021 06:18 PM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  

(12-30-2021 03:57 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  A lot has happened since this thread petered out three weeks ago. The Hawaii Bowl cancellation due to Covid was a black eye for the program. Even worse, pretty much all of the best players on the team with remaining eligibility have declared for the transfer portal, including the top QB, RB, WR, DE, DT, LB and DB. Notably, their farewell messages consistently thank the UH fans, their teammates and even the team's trainers and equipment managers, but not the coaching staff. Graham's son bailing just underlines how bad it's gotten.

I don't know what rabbit Graham can pull out of his hat to restock the roster but if he doesn't figure out something it's hard to see UH winning more than one or two games next season.

...where is the Administration in all of this? I would think between the player mass exodus and obvious dissention in the fan base (including the 'fat cat' alumni), there would be a change made soon - of course, I'm sure Graham's contract is a doozy, else he would have already been shown the door...

Our AD Dave Matlin posted this two days ago:

My guess is that UH’s legal counsel hasn’t found sufficient grounds to terminate Coach Graham for cause and, because the university lacks the $1.2 million needed to buy him out, Matlin has been told to give Graham another year and explain it away as best he can.

dang - toxic situation, it appears... hopefully all of this goes away soon, and y'all can get back to it without distraction or worse... I've always thought Hawai'i brings something unique and cool to the table of College Football, and most always is a formidable opponent... Hope 2022 finds resolution for y'all!!!

(12-30-2021 03:57 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  A lot has happened since this thread petered out three weeks ago. The Hawaii Bowl cancellation due to Covid was a black eye for the program. Even worse, pretty much all of the best players on the team with remaining eligibility have declared for the transfer portal, including the top QB, RB, WR, DE, DT, LB and DB. Notably, their farewell messages consistently thank the UH fans, their teammates and even the team's trainers and equipment managers, but not the coaching staff. Graham's son bailing just underlines how bad it's gotten.

I don't know what rabbit Graham can pull out of his hat to restock the roster but if he doesn't figure out something it's hard to see UH winning more than one or two games next season.

If favoritism was one of the chief complaints from all of these players, do you suppose the coach's son leaving had more to do with the need to distance himself from the favoritism issue than it did with his desire to continue playing for his dad? Sounds like the son didn't have many options and quite possibly even fewer friends on the team.

(12-30-2021 02:18 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Et tu, Brute?

The coach should be let go now. The AD also needs to be ushered out. This is a disaster that will take years to fix. But it starts with cleaning house. Trying to save some money by getting another year out of their contracts will wind up costing Hawaii more money than they save, while the program collapses.

Time to cut your losses and move on.

Live thread on Hawai’i legislature hearing today

(01-07-2022 09:11 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  Live thread on Hawai’i legislature hearing today

Hawaii better get their stuff straight of they could get booted from the MWC. This looks like a program on its death bed.
BTW: what happened to Hawaii getting a new FB stadium? Did that ever happen?

(01-07-2022 09:42 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(01-07-2022 09:11 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  Live thread on Hawai’i legislature hearing today

Hawaii better get their stuff straight of they could get booted from the MWC. This looks like a program on its death bed.
BTW: what happened to Hawaii getting a new FB stadium? Did that ever happen?

The state requested proposals in November for the new stadium so it must be going forward.

(01-07-2022 10:14 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(01-07-2022 09:42 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(01-07-2022 09:11 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  Live thread on Hawai’i legislature hearing today

Hawaii better get their stuff straight of they could get booted from the MWC. This looks like a program on its death bed.
BTW: what happened to Hawaii getting a new FB stadium? Did that ever happen?

The state requested proposals in November for the new stadium so it must be going forward.

Will hawaii have a new stadium this fall? If not will they play on the mainland?

(01-07-2022 10:17 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(01-07-2022 10:14 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  The state requested proposals in November for the new stadium so it must be going forward.

Will hawaii have a new stadium this fall? If not will they play on the mainland?

They turned their on-campus track facility into a temporary 9,000 seat stadium. It's not intended to be permanent, but they'll be there longer than necessary. They limited attendance for at least some games this past season due to Covid restrictions, so the small capacity hasn't been the issue it could be. Still, they can't generate enough revenue to buy out a coach that they need to release.

So, Todd Graham stays another year.

(01-07-2022 10:34 PM)johnintx Wrote:  

(01-07-2022 10:17 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(01-07-2022 10:14 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  The state requested proposals in November for the new stadium so it must be going forward.

Will hawaii have a new stadium this fall? If not will they play on the mainland?

They turned their on-campus track facility into a temporary 9,000 seat stadium. It's not intended to be permanent, but they'll be there longer than necessary. They limited attendance for at least some games this past season due to Covid restrictions, so the small capacity hasn't been the issue it could be. Still, they can't generate enough revenue to buy out a coach that they need to release.

So, Todd Graham stays another year.

UH’s temporary on-campus stadium capacity is slated to be increased to 15,000 for next season. But yes, work on the permanent replacement stadium is taking much longer than necessary. The legislature screwed up the funding process which has delayed issuance of the final construction RFP. Best case is that the new stadium will open for the 2024 season, but it could take until 2025.

Regarding some earlier posts in this thread, no the football program is not on its deathbed. But today’s legislative hearing was a black eye. Some of the legislators were grandstanding and went out of their way to ask questions intended to make the UH administration look bad, and the university’s president and AD compounded the damage by responding with answers that came across as evasive or ill-prepared.

Ironically Graham came out halfway-unscathed. He categorically denied the most damning accusations against him, said the right things about trying to improve his demeanor, and benefitted from positive testimony submitted by an assistant coach and a few players. Meanwhile the voluminous negative testimony against him was undermined by some of it being unreasonable, emotional or plain nuts. I’d love to see him gone but the reality is that he’ll almost certainly keep his job for another year.

Classic situation. Hawaii athletics is too much in debt with too little revenue coming in to be able to fire a coach and AD who are making the program financially insecure into the future.

Graham is basically a lame duck they cannot afford to let go.