(01-15-2022 11:07 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 10:48 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 10:30 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  

(01-15-2022 12:35 AM)stever20 Wrote:  lol Hawaii qualified for the Hawaii Bowl my ass. They got gifted it because no one wanted to come to Hawaii so they added an extra game so the unqualified Hawaii team could play a home game and allowed the 83 teams that did qualify to have a home.

(01-15-2022 12:35 AM)stever20 Wrote:  They were a losing team. A losing team isn't a qualifying team per the rules. Hawaii was not a qualifying team. Period, the end.

It may not be what you meant, but it sounds almost like you're saying that the rules weren't followed and Hawai'i was just inserted into the bowl game. That is not the case at all, Hawai'i DID qualify under the pre-existing rules given the circumstances that existed in 2021. From wikipedia "Bowl Eligibility":

1. The team must have at least as many wins as overall losses. Wins against non-Division I teams do not count toward the number of wins.
2. No more than one win against an FCS team may count toward that win total, and only if the FCS team has awarded at least 90% of the scholarships that FCS rules allowed it to award over the last two years.(Currently, that means that wins against Ivy League, Georgetown, Pioneer Football League, and some Northeast Conference teams do not count.) The requirement that the FCS team must have awarded 90% of its allowed scholarships may be waived if a "unique or catastrophic situation" prevented the FCS team from meeting that requirement.
3. A team that has a losing record only because it lost its conference championship game remains eligible for a bowl.

If there are not enough eligible teams to fill all the bowl slots, additional teams may be selected, according to the following priorities, which must be applied in descending order:

1. Teams which would have met the eligibility criteria if not for the fact that they had one win against an FCS team that did not meet the scholarship requirement and no waiver was granted.
2. Teams which played 13 games during the regular season and finished with a 6–7 record. (This criterion normally applies only to Hawaii and some of its home opponents.)
3. Teams in their second year of reclassification from FCS to FBS football.
4. Teams with at least 5 wins and no more than 7 losses, in order of their Academic Progress Rates.

Rutgers also stepped in to save the Gator Bowl when A&M was unable to play, under the fourth rule to be applied when there are not enough eligible teams to fill all the bowl slots. Had Rutgers declined, Cal would have been offered the slot next.

So Hawai'is selection was higher up the chain than Rutgers, or than any of the other 5-7 teams who have qualified for bowl games under this rule since it was put in place in 2012 (Nebraska, Minnesota, San Jose State, Mississippi State, North Texas). Had Hawai'i not already been placed in the Hawai'i Bowl, they would have received the Gator Bowl invitation that went to Rutgers.

(01-15-2022 01:34 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Glad to see the Graham walked away. Serious rebuild starts with all the departures. Good luck Rainbow Warriors.

I am surprised but pleased to see that Graham didn't cling to his contract and Hawai'i can start to move past this situation. Certainly there are still many challenges ahead, I wish you luck as well!

Hawaii and Rutgers were alternates. They were not qualified teams. Even people who initially said that Hawaii was Bowl eligible and qualified because of 6 wins backed off that.

I agree alternates is probably the best term, and via the performance-based rules for selecting alternates first Hawai'i and then Rutgers qualified as bowl-eligible and were thus invited to bowl games. Alternates explains the process of how they got there, but it doesn't change the fact that they did and it wasn't because they were names drawn out of a hat. What did we call Gerald Ford and Suzette Charles after Richard Nixon and Vanessa Williams resigned? They were, respectively, the President of the United States and Miss America.

No, they were selected as alternate teams and not bowl eligible teams. There's a difference.

to act like they should be viewed the same as the other 83 teams that actually were eligible is a joke.

June Jones has turned down the Hawaii Head Coaching job.

(01-21-2022 11:44 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

The AD is playing games. Graham was his man.

The AD has to go too.

This story has set off a firestorm in the Islands. The UH message board is inundated with angry fans. This afternoon’s article in the Honolulu newspaper reporting the details of UH’s “offer” to Jones has already drawn nearly 400 comments, mostly denunciations of Dave Matlin. Social media is blowing up and the criticism is scalding.

As for myself, I wish I knew what the people of Hawaii have done to deserve the country’s most incompetent university athletic director.

Matlin’s proposal to Jones was obviously not in good faith. It was intentionally designed to be unacceptable. Now Matlin is free to make a much more palatable offer to someone far less qualified to turn around the football program — most likely Timmy Chang, whom Matlin has favored from the get-go despite Chang’s obvious lack of preparedness to take on such a daunting challenge. It appears whoever gets the job will have been set up to fail and UH football will be at high risk of disappearing forever.

I don’t know whether to call it a tragedy or a farce. Either way it’s infuriating to fans like myself who’ve supported UH athetics with our game attendance, our cheers and our hard-earned cash for over 30 years.

(01-22-2022 01:01 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  This story has set off a firestorm in the Islands. The UH message board is inundated with angry fans. This afternoon’s article in the Honolulu newspaper reporting the details of UH’s “offer” to Jones has already drawn nearly 400 comments, mostly denunciations of Dave Matlin. Social media is blowing up and the criticism is scalding.

As for myself, I wish I knew what the people of Hawaii have done to deserve the country’s most incompetent university athletic director.

Matlin’s proposal to Jones was obviously not in good faith. It was intentionally designed to be unacceptable. Now Matlin is free to make a much more palatable offer to someone far less qualified to turn around the football program — most likely Timmy Chang, whom Matlin has favored from the get-go despite Chang’s obvious lack of preparedness to take on such a daunting challenge. It appears whoever gets the job will have been set up to fail and UH football will be at high risk of disappearing forever.

I don’t know whether to call it a tragedy or a farce. Either way it’s infuriating to fans like myself who’ve supported UH athetics with our game attendance, our cheers and our hard-earned cash for over 30 years.

Yeah, this one is baffling. UH is entering UCONN levels self-inflected poor decision making on the football side.

The amount of disrespect shown to the guy who built Hawaii into a consistent winner…wow. Also, while 68 is on the older side for a FB coach, it’s not like he’s 75. If he comes in for 4 years, he’ll be fine and they’ll have a program restored.

When’s the stadium going to be done?

Last time I was out there it looked like a swap meet.

(01-22-2022 08:34 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  The amount of disrespect shown to the guy who built Hawaii into a consistent winner…wow. Also, while 68 is on the older side for a FB coach, it’s not like he’s 75. If he comes in for 4 years, he’ll be fine and they’ll have a program restored.

What if they paired June Jones with Timmy Chang for a couple seasons to show him the ropes before the later takes over the job.

(01-22-2022 08:37 AM)esayem Wrote:  When’s the stadium going to be done?

Last time I was out there it looked like a swap meet.

The original target was fall 2023 but state government delays have pushed that to fall 2024 at the earliest. Keep in mind this is Hawaii… where finding ways to prolong employment for unionized construction workers on public projects is an art form.

Rough situation. Hope that Hawaii can move on from the AD and clean house. The mess that he created has been self-inflicted, which means the right hires could right the ship fairly quickly if given the opportunity. All Hawaii fans can do is continue to voice the displeasure and speak with their pockets. Bad administrators/coaches don't last forever.

That didn't take long. Almost like it was all planned....

Hope he does great, college football is more fun when Hawai'i is good!

Chang isn’t ready. Matlin blew it. This will likely end up costing Matlin his job and deservedly so.

(01-23-2022 02:01 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  Chang isn’t ready. Matlin blew it. This will likely end up costing Matlin his job and deservedly so.

It's about time. The guy seems to care more about the power than actually having Hawaii be good.

(01-23-2022 02:01 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  Chang isn’t ready. Matlin blew it. This will likely end up costing Matlin his job and deservedly so.

His resume’ seems a little thin. A couple years as GA under Jones, followed by two years as OC at Jackson State. A good start, but then he takes the OC job at a D3 for a year and has coached receivers for five years at Nevada.

Sounds like a desperation move by Hawaii, hoping a hometown boy can recapture the old magic. I wish him well, but he definitely has an uphill climb at a place that is a tough job on a good day.

(01-23-2022 02:01 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  Chang isn’t ready. Matlin blew it. This will likely end up costing Matlin his job and deservedly so.

The press conference yesterday was disgraceful. A 45 minute hit piece on June Jones and a woe is me pity party. UH AD spokesman trashed the Mountain West Conference and told us how lucky we are to have a great AD in Matlin. The same guy that hired Todd Graham.

UH has no vision, no stadium, a ridiculously divided fanbase by their own handling of this mess and a bleak future with Matlin running the show.

(01-23-2022 11:49 AM)stpnum4 Wrote:  

(01-23-2022 02:01 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  Chang isn’t ready. Matlin blew it. This will likely end up costing Matlin his job and deservedly so.

The press conference yesterday was disgraceful. A 45 minute hit piece on June Jones and a woe is me pity party. UH AD spokesman trashed the Mountain West Conference and told us how lucky we are to have a great AD in Matlin. The same guy that hired Todd Graham.

UH has no vision, no stadium, a ridiculously divided fanbase by their own handling of this mess and a bleak future with Matlin running the show.

How did he trash the MWC?

(01-23-2022 12:31 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(01-23-2022 11:49 AM)stpnum4 Wrote:  

(01-23-2022 02:01 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  Chang isn’t ready. Matlin blew it. This will likely end up costing Matlin his job and deservedly so.

The press conference yesterday was disgraceful. A 45 minute hit piece on June Jones and a woe is me pity party. UH AD spokesman trashed the Mountain West Conference and told us how lucky we are to have a great AD in Matlin. The same guy that hired Todd Graham.

UH has no vision, no stadium, a ridiculously divided fanbase by their own handling of this mess and a bleak future with Matlin running the show.

How did he trash the MWC?

From the recap I saw on another board, he apparently said hiring a coach is hard because the MWC is a bottom 3 FBS conference.