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(11-21-2021 10:12 AM)busch Wrote:  

(11-21-2021 09:58 AM)Bham Blazer Wrote:  In 1990, Gene Stallings first season at Alabama, in the Iron Bowl, he was faced with a 4th and 2, from his own 39, late in the the 4th quarter. Anyway, they punched it for a gain of 3, and went on to drive and score, and win 16-7. As boneheaded conservative as Stallings was, at least he was not a coward. He faced 2 yards, not 2 inches!

Making a coaching decision that you don't agree with does not make him a coward.

True, that was a little harsh on my part.

(11-21-2021 10:05 AM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  

(11-21-2021 09:50 AM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  

(11-21-2021 09:39 AM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  

(11-21-2021 09:14 AM)BlazrDawg Wrote:  If we went for the 2 inches and failed, and UTSA gets the ball and drives for the winning TD, everybody would be screaming that Clark was an idiot for going for it when we could have punted them deep in their territory and surely would have stopped them . I'm faulting his decision for rushing 3 when UTSA was having a hard time handling 4 or more. You just cant give a mobile, fairly accurate QB enough time to throw long routes. All we needed was 1 sack and the clock would keep ticking.

We are going to be there for the UTEP game and hopefully a decent bowl game to follow.

Well said. While as a fan I would have gone for it I was more upset at only rushing three. I'll be there with my crew.

yes bc you're a clark apologist.

If not trashing the coach and his family makes me an apologist I can live with that.

Even though I would have gone for it. Even though I think only rushing three was a mistake final drive. Even though I disagree with the play calling since the OC has returned. Even though I would make a change at OC. (I could go on). I have disagreed with a lot of decisions but don't feel the need to be a jerk about it.

Get over yourself dude.

None of this has anything to do with his family. That's asinine and you trying to deflect.

(11-21-2021 09:53 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  CLARK BLEW IT. AFTER 6:30 PM TODAY IT'S TIME TO ACCEPT THIS MAJOR BLUNDER F-UP AND MOVE ON!

I will probably stop talking about it after about 24 hours, but man, even after a night to sleep it off - it's still mind bogglingly stupid how we handled the end of that game. WORST UAB COACHING DECISION EVER. YES, EVER. With what was at stake, the coaching decisions to end that game WERE THE WORST IN UAB HISTORY. CLARK cost us a West Division championship, CUSA championship, and has completely bungled what was supposed to be a dream season. We've gone from realistic (if we didn't always shoot ourselves in the foot) dreams of a one-loss season, triumphant transition into a brand new stadium with at least 50-75% full capacity of screaming fans, and an exciting look to the future in a new conference. Instead, we have less fans at Protective than we did at legion, the future looks incredibly cloudy now bc of the boneheaded coaching decisions and refusals to acknowledge our problems and change, and we'll be playing a meaningless game in front of less than 10,000 fans on Friday to cap off a disastrous season. What an awful year, and it was all SELF-INFLICTED.

The coaching staff, as constructed, is not built to take the next step forward. We will never be better than 2018 if no changes are made. With the step up in competition, and refusal to change or adapt, we will likely be worse.

Clark needs to man up, admit he made at least 3 boneheaded decisions to end that game, hire new offensive staff, work with some sort of coaching thinktank or something to address our terrible clock and timeout management, and finally - admit how incredibly bad our penalty situation has gotten, and vow to address it as the number one priority of the offseason. If he doesn't do those things, I really don't have a whole lot of confidence in the future. We'll be CUSA level good/overall mediocre for as long as he's the coach, if those things aren't addressed. Fans need to reset their expectations from "glad to have football back" to taking the next step forward. Clark hasn't done that yet.

Clark will never man up to the fans and nor should he regarding his playcalling. But I absolutely expect him to man up to his players privately and that's what really matters the most.

(11-21-2021 11:04 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  Clark will never man up to the fans and nor should he regarding his playcalling. But I absolutely expect him to man up to his players privately and that's what really matters the most.

Yeah he's already said he'd do it 100/100 times. Incredible. My faith in him wavers a little every game. Worst coaching decisions in UAB football history last night with what was on the line.

Like someone else said, the difference in tone and content between AK and BC is pretty stark. Clark just makes excuses and defends his decisions, whereas AK is blunt, no-nonsense, and will call out bad play or bad decisions on his part. If AK screwed up like this, I would fully expect he would own up to it and address it. Clark will just justify it away into continuing the same old same old.

The irony is, those of us who give deserved criticism get called gumps when it’s those folks who are buddies with the staff, visiting practices like folks used to do in T-town pre-Saban, giving Clark a pass. Look who’s the gump now.

(11-21-2021 11:18 AM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  

(11-21-2021 11:04 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  Clark will never man up to the fans and nor should he regarding his playcalling. But I absolutely expect him to man up to his players privately and that's what really matters the most.

Yeah he's already said he'd do it 100/100 times. Incredible. My faith in him wavers a little every game. Worst coaching decisions in UAB football history last night with what was on the line.

He's basically saying in a non direct way to his offensive players is that he didn't have confidence in them to gain a chain link for a 1st down.

(11-21-2021 11:40 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(11-21-2021 11:18 AM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  

(11-21-2021 11:04 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  Clark will never man up to the fans and nor should he regarding his playcalling. But I absolutely expect him to man up to his players privately and that's what really matters the most.

Yeah he's already said he'd do it 100/100 times. Incredible. My faith in him wavers a little every game. Worst coaching decisions in UAB football history last night with what was on the line.

He's basically saying in a non direct way to his offensive players is that he didn't have confidence in them to gain a chain link for a 1st down.

...OR, (playing devil's advocate here, as I totally agree you, but, humor me here), if we went for it, it would have been sending the message to the defense that we have no confidence in you stopping them from scoring if they get the ball back (which is the general conclusion you would expect from a defensive-minded coach)... WITH THAT, having pretty much a whole game played as 'data', and just looking at the scoreboard, of the two, I would have said, hey, we really HAVEN'T stopped them much... ...perhaps we need to go 'checkers or wreckers' on this one play... ...and with that, if you DIDN'T make it, UTSA may have come in at midfield, gone for a 'kill shot' and scored with time enough left on the clock for US to get a game-winning drive to the buzzer, of AT LEAST kick a tying FG (remember, we had the "4-pt lead / 3-pt deficit" thing going on trading TDs)...

...and I'm pretty sure Clark gets 'bonuses' for winning the division, winning the conference, etc, so if he 'overthought' the situation, that's to his detriment there... We just have to face up to the fact he is a conservative coach (as most Defensive-minded ones are)... and with that, we need to beef up the D, although they have looked great at times this season... New OC? yeah, I think it's time for them to have that heavy conversation after the season for sure...

Just more to gnaw on and dissect, but the final analysis is... move on to UTEP... see y'all (well, I guess a FEW of y'all) in the Protective next week...

Lol blah blah blah. Get over yourself.

I’ve seen defensive players show signs of frustration on social media. Even had a few like my posts on social media when I’ve shared my thoughts in the past.

They’d be the last to complain if the offense was asked to start pulling their own weight. Imagine being as good as we are on defense and still catching the blame for the losses.

Can you imagine the stress they are under, being asked to hold teams to 24-28 points to win a game? In today’s game, that’s not a fair bar to set.

“Hold em to 24 points and our offense may score more than that to win”

It’s no wonder that when things go wrong from the start of the game for them, that a lot of finger pointing happens within them on the sideline. They just implode. They know if they are off just a little bit, they have no confidence in the offense to pick up the slack and go get a win.

The head coach proved those thoughts last night.

(11-21-2021 11:20 AM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  Like someone else said, the difference in tone and content between AK and BC is pretty stark. Clark just makes excuses and defends his decisions, whereas AK is blunt, no-nonsense, and will call out bad play or bad decisions on his part. If AK screwed up like this, I would fully expect he would own up to it and address it. Clark will just justify it away into continuing the same old same old.

Is there a reason Clark only does radio post-games and not video post-games like AK? For most games AK will do radio AND video post-games with all the reporters.
Clark just does the Monday morning post-games with softball questions.

(11-21-2021 12:18 PM)blazerblazer Wrote:  

(11-21-2021 11:20 AM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  Like someone else said, the difference in tone and content between AK and BC is pretty stark. Clark just makes excuses and defends his decisions, whereas AK is blunt, no-nonsense, and will call out bad play or bad decisions on his part. If AK screwed up like this, I would fully expect he would own up to it and address it. Clark will just justify it away into continuing the same old same old.

Is there a reason Clark only does radio post-games and not video post-games like AK? For most games AK will do radio AND video post-games with all the reporters.
Clark just does the Monday morning post-games with softball questions.

It’s deliberate regarding Clark. He pretty much tries to summarize the prior game in opening statement on mondays and says let’s talk about this week. Evan is scared to ask tough questions. Goodman doesn’t like being called dumb in instances where Clark doesn’t have an answer better than insulting him, so Goodman doesn’t go to the pressers now. Speegle can’t ask questions without needing an opinion from Clark on Bama football, so he’s not really invited to pressers.

$1.5-$1.7 million dollars and you can’t ask him a tough question.

(11-21-2021 12:07 PM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  Lol blah blah blah. Get over yourself.

Well it's either his lack of confidence in his offensive players or OC. You know I am right AB.

(11-21-2021 10:20 AM)blazerblazer Wrote:  Here is one thing I noticed this game and all games this season. Why do we never try to catch the punt and run it? Multiple times we don't even field the punt and just let it roll past us.

Bad coaching ( or inept guy back there making the decision to catch or run away from the punt). The failure to catch punts was evident in the first game vs JSU ( I know it was drizzling some), and I was furious about it then. Its been going on to varying degrees all season long. We must get this fixed for next season.

(11-21-2021 11:59 AM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  

(11-21-2021 11:40 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(11-21-2021 11:18 AM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  

(11-21-2021 11:04 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  Clark will never man up to the fans and nor should he regarding his playcalling. But I absolutely expect him to man up to his players privately and that's what really matters the most.

Yeah he's already said he'd do it 100/100 times. Incredible. My faith in him wavers a little every game. Worst coaching decisions in UAB football history last night with what was on the line.

He's basically saying in a non direct way to his offensive players is that he didn't have confidence in them to gain a chain link for a 1st down.

...OR, (playing devil's advocate here, as I totally agree you, but, humor me here), if we went for it, it would have been sending the message to the defense that we have no confidence in you stopping them from scoring if they get the ball back (which is the general conclusion you would expect from a defensive-minded coach)...

I think it says you have MORE confidence in your defense if you are willing to take the (very small) chance you don’t get it to seal the game. We had already put trust in the defense and they got the stop we needed to win. You want to ask them to do it again when you only need a sneeze to seal the game? I’d wager that 90% or more of the defensive starters wanted to see us go for it.

There were multiple avenues and options for us at the end of the game and somehow we picked every single one that could lead to the worst case scenario. That’s poor game management and it isn’t new.

When we didn’t go for it, we sucked the passion/pride out of the offense, put way more pressure than may have been necessary on a spent defense that already felt as though they won us the game, and maybe even worse…ignited the UTSA crowd, players, and coaches when they thought they were done. The last two would’ve happened had we not converted the 4th down, but at least there was a significant upside attached that made it worth the risk. Instead we put blood in the water ourselves.

This impacts a lot more than just a W/L: it will have dramatic impacts on attendance on Friday, we lost the chance to host a 6th home game for the championship in our first year with a new stadium, we lost a visible Top 25 win (even being on ESPN’s Top 25 scoreboard with a W is huge), and we lost some autonomy on our bowl game selection which could impact fan travel ability (and interest)/create a conflict with a big basketball game we are trying to host/promote.

That’s a lot of opportunity cost for a couple of inches.

(11-21-2021 01:38 PM)demiveeman Wrote:  

(11-21-2021 11:59 AM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  

(11-21-2021 11:40 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(11-21-2021 11:18 AM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  

(11-21-2021 11:04 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  Clark will never man up to the fans and nor should he regarding his playcalling. But I absolutely expect him to man up to his players privately and that's what really matters the most.

Yeah he's already said he'd do it 100/100 times. Incredible. My faith in him wavers a little every game. Worst coaching decisions in UAB football history last night with what was on the line.

He's basically saying in a non direct way to his offensive players is that he didn't have confidence in them to gain a chain link for a 1st down.

...OR, (playing devil's advocate here, as I totally agree you, but, humor me here), if we went for it, it would have been sending the message to the defense that we have no confidence in you stopping them from scoring if they get the ball back (which is the general conclusion you would expect from a defensive-minded coach)...

I think it says you have MORE confidence in your defense if you are willing to take the (very small) chance you don’t get it to seal the game. We had already put trust in the defense and they got the stop we needed to win. You want to ask them to do it again when you only need a sneeze to seal the game? I’d wager that 90% or more of the defensive starters wanted to see us go for it.

There were multiple avenues and options for us at the end of the game and somehow we picked every single one that could lead to the worst case scenario. That’s poor game management and it isn’t new.

When we didn’t go for it, we sucked the passion/pride out of the offense, put way more pressure than may have been necessary on a spent defense that already felt as though they won us the game, and maybe even worse…ignited the UTSA crowd, players, and coaches when they thought they were done. The last two would’ve happened had we not converted the 4th down, but at least there was a significant upside attached that made it worth the risk. Instead we put blood in the water ourselves.

This impacts a lot more than just a W/L: it will have dramatic impacts on attendance on Friday, we lost the chance to host a 6th home game for the championship in our first year with a new stadium, we lost a visible Top 25 win (even being on ESPN’s Top 25 scoreboard with a W is huge), and we lost some autonomy on our bowl game selection which could impact fan travel ability (and interest)/create a conflict with a big basketball game we are trying to host/promote.

That’s a lot of opportunity cost for a couple of inches.

...oh I totally agree, but - just trying to figure out what Coach was trying to figure out... who knows, hopefully we can salt away future games without these decisions...

...we need more of a 'short' pass game (which currently appears to only consist of the 'throw it sideways and hope that the receiver can get 5 yards to get back to the line of scrimmage' play) - I remember Rice had those little 5 yard 'inside slants' or whatever and converted quite a few 3rd and shorts on us that way. After we burned UTSA's secondary a few times in the first half, they decided to blitz quite a bit more - for the most part, Hopkins 'kept it in the road' (save for the one INT), by either taking off running or just throwing it away... BUT, we need a 'short pass' (upfield) option to dilute a blitz attack... I think that was the ultimate difference in the game.

(11-21-2021 12:28 PM)BlazinBham Wrote:  

(11-21-2021 12:18 PM)blazerblazer Wrote:  

(11-21-2021 11:20 AM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  Like someone else said, the difference in tone and content between AK and BC is pretty stark. Clark just makes excuses and defends his decisions, whereas AK is blunt, no-nonsense, and will call out bad play or bad decisions on his part. If AK screwed up like this, I would fully expect he would own up to it and address it. Clark will just justify it away into continuing the same old same old.

Is there a reason Clark only does radio post-games and not video post-games like AK? For most games AK will do radio AND video post-games with all the reporters.
Clark just does the Monday morning post-games with softball questions.

It’s deliberate regarding Clark. He pretty much tries to summarize the prior game in opening statement on mondays and says let’s talk about this week. Evan is scared to ask tough questions. Goodman doesn’t like being called dumb in instances where Clark doesn’t have an answer better than insulting him, so Goodman doesn’t go to the pressers now. Speegle can’t ask questions without needing an opinion from Clark on Bama football, so he’s not really invited to pressers.

$1.5-$1.7 million dollars and you can’t ask him a tough question.

Pretty sure Evan did a couple weeks ago regarding penalties and was hit with, “You’ve never coached”. I was hoping that would motivate him to keep asking tough questions, but it seems he’s gone back to boring, generic questions.

(11-21-2021 04:07 PM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  

(11-21-2021 01:38 PM)demiveeman Wrote:  

(11-21-2021 11:59 AM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  

(11-21-2021 11:40 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  

(11-21-2021 11:18 AM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  Yeah he's already said he'd do it 100/100 times. Incredible. My faith in him wavers a little every game. Worst coaching decisions in UAB football history last night with what was on the line.

He's basically saying in a non direct way to his offensive players is that he didn't have confidence in them to gain a chain link for a 1st down.

...OR, (playing devil's advocate here, as I totally agree you, but, humor me here), if we went for it, it would have been sending the message to the defense that we have no confidence in you stopping them from scoring if they get the ball back (which is the general conclusion you would expect from a defensive-minded coach)...

I think it says you have MORE confidence in your defense if you are willing to take the (very small) chance you don’t get it to seal the game. We had already put trust in the defense and they got the stop we needed to win. You want to ask them to do it again when you only need a sneeze to seal the game? I’d wager that 90% or more of the defensive starters wanted to see us go for it.

There were multiple avenues and options for us at the end of the game and somehow we picked every single one that could lead to the worst case scenario. That’s poor game management and it isn’t new.

When we didn’t go for it, we sucked the passion/pride out of the offense, put way more pressure than may have been necessary on a spent defense that already felt as though they won us the game, and maybe even worse…ignited the UTSA crowd, players, and coaches when they thought they were done. The last two would’ve happened had we not converted the 4th down, but at least there was a significant upside attached that made it worth the risk. Instead we put blood in the water ourselves.

This impacts a lot more than just a W/L: it will have dramatic impacts on attendance on Friday, we lost the chance to host a 6th home game for the championship in our first year with a new stadium, we lost a visible Top 25 win (even being on ESPN’s Top 25 scoreboard with a W is huge), and we lost some autonomy on our bowl game selection which could impact fan travel ability (and interest)/create a conflict with a big basketball game we are trying to host/promote.

That’s a lot of opportunity cost for a couple of inches.

...oh I totally agree, but - just trying to figure out what Coach was trying to figure out... who knows, hopefully we can salt away future games without these decisions...

...we need more of a 'short' pass game (which currently appears to only consist of the 'throw it sideways and hope that the receiver can get 5 yards to get back to the line of scrimmage' play) - I remember Rice had those little 5 yard 'inside slants' or whatever and converted quite a few 3rd and shorts on us that way. After we burned UTSA's secondary a few times in the first half, they decided to blitz quite a bit more - for the most part, Hopkins 'kept it in the road' (save for the one INT), by either taking off running or just throwing it away... BUT, we need a 'short pass' (upfield) option to dilute a blitz attack... I think that was the ultimate difference in the game.

it seem that # 6 was catching those short pass against Marshall but i didnt see him against utsa

(11-22-2021 09:14 AM)UABFRENCHY Wrote:  

(11-21-2021 04:07 PM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  ...we need more of a 'short' pass game (which currently appears to only consist of the 'throw it sideways and hope that the receiver can get 5 yards to get back to the line of scrimmage' play) - I remember Rice had those little 5 yard 'inside slants' or whatever and converted quite a few 3rd and shorts on us that way. After we burned UTSA's secondary a few times in the first half, they decided to blitz quite a bit more - for the most part, Hopkins 'kept it in the road' (save for the one INT), by either taking off running or just throwing it away... BUT, we need a 'short pass' (upfield) option to dilute a blitz attack... I think that was the ultimate difference in the game.

it seem that # 6 was catching those short pass against Marshall but i didnt see him against utsa

...we seem to HAVE the potential, and have used it some in certain games, but it may be a 'specialist' who only does that... try throwing to a running back breaking upfield every now and then...

I just don't like the plays where you have to make 5 yards to get to the line of scrimmage... no matter WHO runs them... once in a blue moon someone will break loose and have a big play there, but it's rare...

oh well, hopefully we regroup this week and dispatch the Miners, and grab a decent bowl...