(11-08-2021 12:23 PM)Chappy Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 10:24 AM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  Ahlers not better than: Minshew, Nelson, Benkert, Carden, Davis, James Pinkney, Garrard.

Who is he better than? Troth, Dan Gonzalez. Maybe Patrick Pinkney?

Blake Kemp, James Summers

Yeah, I don’t know though I wouldn’t really count them. They were never supposed to be starting QBs

(11-08-2021 10:16 AM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 10:14 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(11-07-2021 06:10 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(11-07-2021 12:36 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(11-06-2021 11:17 PM)No Bull Wrote:  ECU looks like it is back. On path for a bowl game. Congrats Pirates.

Close. Still think we need a better QB to be able to beat good teams.

...or a little better offensive line that can sustain blocks just a couple of seconds more. When he gets time to work..he is pretty darn good..especially when the line opens up holes and we can run the ball effectively. Just like every team...it all starts up front. Winning the battle at the point of attack makes everyone looks good.

We have another year of Ahlers. Hopefully our O line can improve and he shows everyone how good he can be. I expect the O line will be Houstons top priority going forward. We have the skilled players to really be good if we can block for them consistently. We have seen this year glimpses of how good this offense can be when we win the battle in the trenches. It just need to be more consistent.

This is 100% of the problem. Ahlers is much better than every QB other than Carden and Garrard in the past 25 years. Ahlers has a less than adequate O line and it shows in his decision making when the defense is teeing off on him. It also shows with Kirkpatrick's rudimentary play calling. It takes a guy like Mitchell or Harris that can make explosive plays to make up for the <2 yd runs due to the O line getting stuffed.

James Pinkney would have this team 8-1 easily

His numbers were mediocre at best, probably on par with Ahlers. He played with a better O line and better defense to boot.

(11-08-2021 10:24 AM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  Ahlers not better than: Minshew, Nelson, Benkert, Carden, Davis, James Pinkney, Garrard.

Who is he better than? Troth, Dan Gonzalez. Maybe Patrick Pinkney?

Minshew wasn't given a chance. He was very good at WSU, but wouldn't have had the success here under Houston. Benkert didn't get the opportunity here - that's unfortunate.

Nelson wasn't good. Surrounded by more talent than Ahlers and put up only slightly better numbers and couldn't stay healthy.


P. Nelson 67.9 Comp % 16 TD 8 Int 141 Passer Rating
P. Pinkney 60.1 Comp % 39 TD 23 Int 126 Passer Rating
J. Pinkney 57.8 Comp % 46 TD 35 Int 122 Passer Rating
D. Davis 65.9 Comp % 62 TD 35 Int 132 Passer Rating

Ahlers 57.9 Comp % 65 TD 29 Int 131 Passer Rating.

Production wise Davis is ahead considering he only had 2 years and Ahlers is in year 3+.

(11-08-2021 12:23 PM)Chappy Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 10:24 AM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  Ahlers not better than: Minshew, Nelson, Benkert, Carden, Davis, James Pinkney, Garrard.

Who is he better than? Troth, Dan Gonzalez. Maybe Patrick Pinkney?

Blake Kemp, James Summers

I think Ahlers and Summers are pretty equitable.

(11-08-2021 02:15 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 10:16 AM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 10:14 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(11-07-2021 06:10 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(11-07-2021 12:36 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  Close. Still think we need a better QB to be able to beat good teams.

...or a little better offensive line that can sustain blocks just a couple of seconds more. When he gets time to work..he is pretty darn good..especially when the line opens up holes and we can run the ball effectively. Just like every team...it all starts up front. Winning the battle at the point of attack makes everyone looks good.

We have another year of Ahlers. Hopefully our O line can improve and he shows everyone how good he can be. I expect the O line will be Houstons top priority going forward. We have the skilled players to really be good if we can block for them consistently. We have seen this year glimpses of how good this offense can be when we win the battle in the trenches. It just need to be more consistent.

This is 100% of the problem. Ahlers is much better than every QB other than Carden and Garrard in the past 25 years. Ahlers has a less than adequate O line and it shows in his decision making when the defense is teeing off on him. It also shows with Kirkpatrick's rudimentary play calling. It takes a guy like Mitchell or Harris that can make explosive plays to make up for the <2 yd runs due to the O line getting stuffed.

James Pinkney would have this team 8-1 easily

His numbers were mediocre at best, probably on par with Ahlers. He played with a better O line and better defense to boot.

ECU had one of the worst defenses in the country when James Pinkney played…Don’t remember the OL, but doubt it was that much better than now.

(11-08-2021 02:30 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 10:24 AM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  Ahlers not better than: Minshew, Nelson, Benkert, Carden, Davis, James Pinkney, Garrard.

Who is he better than? Troth, Dan Gonzalez. Maybe Patrick Pinkney?

Minshew wasn't given a chance. He was very good at WSU, but wouldn't have had the success here under Houston. Benkert didn't get the opportunity here - that's unfortunate.

Nelson wasn't good. Surrounded by more talent than Ahlers and put up only slightly better numbers and couldn't stay healthy.


P. Nelson 67.9 Comp % 16 TD 8 Int 141 Passer Rating
P. Pinkney 60.1 Comp % 39 TD 23 Int 126 Passer Rating
J. Pinkney 57.8 Comp % 46 TD 35 Int 122 Passer Rating
D. Davis 65.9 Comp % 62 TD 35 Int 132 Passer Rating

Ahlers 57.9 Comp % 65 TD 29 Int 131 Passer Rating.

Production wise Davis is ahead considering he only had 2 years and Ahlers is in year 3+.

What talent did Nelson have? Zay Jones? The OL was even worse then than it is now that’s why he couldn’t stay healthy he had concussions from getting nailed every drive.

Ahlers doesn’t match up favorably to any of those non Air-Raid QBs when you look at Yards per Attempt or completion percentage.

(11-08-2021 02:32 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 12:23 PM)Chappy Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 10:24 AM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  Ahlers not better than: Minshew, Nelson, Benkert, Carden, Davis, James Pinkney, Garrard.

Who is he better than? Troth, Dan Gonzalez. Maybe Patrick Pinkney?

Blake Kemp, James Summers

I think Ahlers and Summers are pretty equitable.

So you’d put James Summers as a top 5 ECU QB since 1996?

(11-08-2021 10:29 AM)k-vegasbuc Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 10:24 AM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  Ahlers not better than: Minshew, Nelson, Benkert, Carden, Davis, James Pinkney, Garrard.

Who is he better than? Troth, Dan Gonzalez. Maybe Patrick Pinkney?

Good point I had forgotten about Nelson, and I know ECU fans don't love on Patrick Pinkney a lot because he had a great team around him, but I think he was underrated, the guy was a gamer and led us to some huge wins (I admit I'm biased because I was a student then).

Yeah he definitely had the intangibles and knew how to win.

(11-08-2021 02:42 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 02:15 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 10:16 AM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 10:14 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(11-07-2021 06:10 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  ...or a little better offensive line that can sustain blocks just a couple of seconds more. When he gets time to work..he is pretty darn good..especially when the line opens up holes and we can run the ball effectively. Just like every team...it all starts up front. Winning the battle at the point of attack makes everyone looks good.

We have another year of Ahlers. Hopefully our O line can improve and he shows everyone how good he can be. I expect the O line will be Houstons top priority going forward. We have the skilled players to really be good if we can block for them consistently. We have seen this year glimpses of how good this offense can be when we win the battle in the trenches. It just need to be more consistent.

This is 100% of the problem. Ahlers is much better than every QB other than Carden and Garrard in the past 25 years. Ahlers has a less than adequate O line and it shows in his decision making when the defense is teeing off on him. It also shows with Kirkpatrick's rudimentary play calling. It takes a guy like Mitchell or Harris that can make explosive plays to make up for the <2 yd runs due to the O line getting stuffed.

James Pinkney would have this team 8-1 easily

His numbers were mediocre at best, probably on par with Ahlers. He played with a better O line and better defense to boot.

ECU had one of the worst defenses in the country when James Pinkney played…Don’t remember the OL, but doubt it was that much better than now.

J. Pinkney was 03 to 06. Two yrs w/ Thompson and 2 yrs w/ Holtz. The last two were by far his best and those were the defenses that grew into the 08 team. It was ball control offense with Johnson providing big play ability.

The difference between him and Ahlers is that Pinkney played to his his full potential and Ahlers has not outside if his sophomore year.

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(11-08-2021 02:48 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 02:32 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 12:23 PM)Chappy Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 10:24 AM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  Ahlers not better than: Minshew, Nelson, Benkert, Carden, Davis, James Pinkney, Garrard.

Who is he better than? Troth, Dan Gonzalez. Maybe Patrick Pinkney?

Blake Kemp, James Summers

I think Ahlers and Summers are pretty equitable.

So you’d put James Summers as a top 5 ECU QB since 1996?

Considering he was a situation QB with a few minor exceptions, no. I wouldn't say he played the position enough. I guess what I should have said was that Summers running ability is onnpar with Ahlers and given more development as a QB, they would be equitable.

As for the ranking,
Carden/Garrard
Ahlers
Pinkney/Pinkney



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(11-08-2021 05:57 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 02:42 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 02:15 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 10:16 AM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 10:14 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  This is 100% of the problem. Ahlers is much better than every QB other than Carden and Garrard in the past 25 years. Ahlers has a less than adequate O line and it shows in his decision making when the defense is teeing off on him. It also shows with Kirkpatrick's rudimentary play calling. It takes a guy like Mitchell or Harris that can make explosive plays to make up for the <2 yd runs due to the O line getting stuffed.

James Pinkney would have this team 8-1 easily

His numbers were mediocre at best, probably on par with Ahlers. He played with a better O line and better defense to boot.

ECU had one of the worst defenses in the country when James Pinkney played…Don’t remember the OL, but doubt it was that much better than now.

J. Pinkney was 03 to 06. Two yrs w/ Thompson and 2 yrs w/ Holtz. The last two were by far his best and those were the defenses that grew into the 08 team. It was ball control offense with Johnson providing big play ability.

The difference between him and Ahlers is that Pinkney played to his his full potential and Ahlers has not outside if his sophomore year.

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He threw as much as Ahlers does. He was just as good his sophomore year. 2006 was the first year the defense started to take shape. Still probably wasn’t better than ECU’s defense this year.

(11-08-2021 06:16 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 02:48 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 02:32 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 12:23 PM)Chappy Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 10:24 AM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  Ahlers not better than: Minshew, Nelson, Benkert, Carden, Davis, James Pinkney, Garrard.

Who is he better than? Troth, Dan Gonzalez. Maybe Patrick Pinkney?

Blake Kemp, James Summers

I think Ahlers and Summers are pretty equitable.

So you’d put James Summers as a top 5 ECU QB since 1996?

Considering he was a situation QB with a few minor exceptions, no. I wouldn't say he played the position enough. I guess what I should have said was that Summers running ability is onnpar with Ahlers and given more development as a QB, they would be equitable.

As for the ranking,
Carden/Garrard
Ahlers
Pinkney/Pinkney



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Ahlers is just not even in the same galaxy as Dominique Davis this is silly.

(11-09-2021 12:51 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 06:16 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 02:48 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 02:32 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 12:23 PM)Chappy Wrote:  Blake Kemp, James Summers

I think Ahlers and Summers are pretty equitable.

So you’d put James Summers as a top 5 ECU QB since 1996?

Considering he was a situation QB with a few minor exceptions, no. I wouldn't say he played the position enough. I guess what I should have said was that Summers running ability is onnpar with Ahlers and given more development as a QB, they would be equitable.

As for the ranking,
Carden/Garrard
Ahlers
Pinkney/Pinkney



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Ahlers is just not even in the same galaxy as Dominique Davis this is silly.

I think Dom Davis on pure QB talent was probably the best we had since Garrard. It's a shame we only had him for 2 years or I think he might have most of the passing records. I remember he had 36 consecutive completions which broke a record held by Aaron Rogers. He had great mechanics, threw a pretty ball, had arm strength and touch.

(11-09-2021 01:11 PM)k-vegasbuc Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 12:51 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 06:16 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 02:48 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 02:32 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  I think Ahlers and Summers are pretty equitable.

So you’d put James Summers as a top 5 ECU QB since 1996?

Considering he was a situation QB with a few minor exceptions, no. I wouldn't say he played the position enough. I guess what I should have said was that Summers running ability is onnpar with Ahlers and given more development as a QB, they would be equitable.

As for the ranking,
Carden/Garrard
Ahlers
Pinkney/Pinkney



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Ahlers is just not even in the same galaxy as Dominique Davis this is silly.

I think Dom Davis on pure QB talent was probably the best we had since Garrard. It's a shame we only had him for 2 years or I think he might have most of the passing records. I remember he had 36 consecutive completions which broke a record held by Aaron Rogers. He had great mechanics, threw a pretty ball, had arm strength and touch.

And that's what it took for ECU to get the Pirates' sole win against Navy (26 of the 36 were his first passes of the Oct 2011 game at NMCMS - which is also the single game consecutive completion record).

(11-09-2021 01:51 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 01:11 PM)k-vegasbuc Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 12:51 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 06:16 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 02:48 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  So you’d put James Summers as a top 5 ECU QB since 1996?

Considering he was a situation QB with a few minor exceptions, no. I wouldn't say he played the position enough. I guess what I should have said was that Summers running ability is onnpar with Ahlers and given more development as a QB, they would be equitable.

As for the ranking,
Carden/Garrard
Ahlers
Pinkney/Pinkney



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Ahlers is just not even in the same galaxy as Dominique Davis this is silly.

I think Dom Davis on pure QB talent was probably the best we had since Garrard. It's a shame we only had him for 2 years or I think he might have most of the passing records. I remember he had 36 consecutive completions which broke a record held by Aaron Rogers. He had great mechanics, threw a pretty ball, had arm strength and touch.

And that's what it took for ECU to get the Pirates' sole win against Navy (26 of the 36 were his first passes of the Oct 2011 game at NMCMS - which is also the single game consecutive completion record).

Everything changes this year. ECU matches up much better with Navy this time around. Btw, will your QB be 100% for this one?

(11-09-2021 01:56 PM)B easy Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 01:51 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 01:11 PM)k-vegasbuc Wrote:  

(11-09-2021 12:51 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(11-08-2021 06:16 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Considering he was a situation QB with a few minor exceptions, no. I wouldn't say he played the position enough. I guess what I should have said was that Summers running ability is onnpar with Ahlers and given more development as a QB, they would be equitable.

As for the ranking,
Carden/Garrard
Ahlers
Pinkney/Pinkney



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Ahlers is just not even in the same galaxy as Dominique Davis this is silly.

I think Dom Davis on pure QB talent was probably the best we had since Garrard. It's a shame we only had him for 2 years or I think he might have most of the passing records. I remember he had 36 consecutive completions which broke a record held by Aaron Rogers. He had great mechanics, threw a pretty ball, had arm strength and touch.

And that's what it took for ECU to get the Pirates' sole win against Navy (26 of the 36 were his first passes of the Oct 2011 game at NMCMS - which is also the single game consecutive completion record).

Everything changes this year. ECU matches up much better with Navy this time around. Btw, will your QB be 100% for this one?

Coach Niumat said Monday he should be fine.