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RE: MLB 2021-22 Hot Stove Thread
(12-03-2021 10:16 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  
(12-01-2021 11:29 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(12-01-2021 11:19 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  
(12-01-2021 04:26 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(12-01-2021 04:12 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  ...not sure I'd call it "fun".

I prefer this way of free agency than the pulling teeth way of free agency that we see almost all the time.

I prefer it when a bunch of Dodgers don't get signed by other teams as FAs.

you still have Chris Taylor at least :)

Now hearing Jansen not expected to return. Won’t find out for a while of course but the Marlins are trying to spend money and it sounds like he’s had productive talks with them. He’s also from Curaçao so it’d be much closer to home.

Just when I was starting to like him again…

lol.

Marlins quietly did a lot of good stuff- not just the fa signings but also extending Alcantarra. If Sixto Sanchez can return strong in 2022, they're going to be a factor for sure.
12-03-2021 11:24 AM
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Pretty goo article on what thioer career numbers would have likely been without all the drugs and shenanigans. I don't think either belongs in the HOF in their lifetimes. Then, put Rose an Shoeless Joe in forst before considering them when they're gone:

Not as great: Assessing Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens without the PED factor

Quote:Meet baseball stats guru Dan Szymborski, the creator of the ZiPS projection system. In the simplest terms, the system (endorsed by MLB.com and explained here) uses past performance and trends on how performance degrades with age to predict a player's future performance. ESPN asked him to project Bonds' and Clemens' career stats from the season each is believed to have started using PEDs -- 1999 for Bonds and 1998 for Clemens.

Things look startlingly different in the Bonds/Clemens cases when analyzed this way:
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Instead of hitting 73 home runs in 2001, the ZiPS projection suggests Bonds would have hit only 23 that year, plus or minus a couple. And where he actually hit 209 homers during the four seasons (2001 to 2004) he used the BALCO concoction, he was projected to hit just 66 during those four years.

According to ZiPS, where should Bonds be on the all-time home run list? Rather than the king, with 762, the projection has him at 551 career homers -- placing him at No. 15, below Manny Ramirez (well, that's another discussion) and above Mike Schmidt. It's also worth noting that the projection suggests Bonds would have played one fewer season than he did.
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As for Clemens, ZiPS has a similarly deflating effect on his numbers if you predict beyond 1998, when it's believed he started using PEDs. The first thing worth noting is that ZiPS projects Clemens would have played three fewer seasons, with his career ending after 2004. That was the year when he turned 42 and went 18-4, with a 2.98 ERA, 214⅓ innings pitched and 218 strikeouts. ZiPS instead projects that final season would have looked far more mundane: 8-5, 3.35 ERA, 113 innings pitched and 105 strikeouts.

While the relevance of wins and losses has become debatable in the era of empirical analysis, Szymborski believes it's useful in dissecting Clemens' numbers. Clemens finished with 354 wins -- 141 of which came after the date when Clemens' former personal trainer, Brian McNamee, testified he first injected the pitcher with PEDs. ZiPS projects Clemens was likely to have won only 85 games during that stretch -- leaving him with a career total of 298, just short of the magic number of 300 that has long been a guaranteed ticket to Cooperstown. That total would drop him from ninth on the career list to 24th, just ahead of Tommy John (288).
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12-17-2021 11:15 AM
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Public Ballots:    311
Anonymous/Unverifiable  Ballots:    22
% of Ballots Known:    83.0%
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8/13/2021 at 13:53 PST"    
Curt Schilling    72.4%
Barry Bonds    65.8%
Roger Clemens    65.2%
Scott Rolen    57.1%
Gary Sheffield    43.2%
Todd Helton    45.9%
Billy Wagner    46.8%
Omar Vizquel    45.0%
Andruw Jones    36.0%
Manny Ramirez    28.8%
Jeff Kent    32.1%
Sammy Sosa    18.0%
Andy Pettitte    13.5%
Bobby Abreu    9.9%
Mark Buehrle    9.6%
Torii Hunter    8.1%
Tim Hudson    5.1%
Aramis Ramirez    0.6%
LaTroy Hawkins    0.3%
Shane Victorino    0.0%
A.J. Burnett    0.0%
Barry Zito    0.0%
Nick Swisher    0.0%
Dan Haren    0.0%
Michael Cuddyer    0.0%

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12-17-2021 11:19 AM
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well, this was kind of a foregone conclusion of late... but shoot, he's a good manager an would rather not have him in NY:

New York Mets hire Buck Showalter as new manager
12-18-2021 02:03 PM
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RE: MLB 2021-22 Hot Stove Thread
So Betty White passed away today....

How about these 2 things-
Babe Ruth hit 552 homers after Betty White was born

or
the last MLB game before she was born was game 8 of the 1921 World Series.
12-31-2021 08:51 PM
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