(04-04-2022 07:32 PM)scorpius Wrote:  If Trump were President now, we'd still be full-force in the Afghanistan shell-game supplying the Taliban, NATO would be a divided meaningless joke, Putin would have most of Ukraine occupied and worst yet, half the American public would be brainwashed into thinking the US and the world is stronger because of it.

And you have absolutely nothing to support any of those allegations.

Wow, Scorpius can tell the future. If you're that talented why did you vote for the Bumbling Idiot? Didn't you see how "effective" he's been?

Jeepers, are all leftists stupid? (don't answer that)

(04-04-2022 07:32 PM)scorpius Wrote:  

(04-03-2022 10:15 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-03-2022 10:07 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  Please keep talking about this Trump, lets see how popular the idea of going BACK into Afghanistan is -
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/15104059...rica-rally

Another of the false rumors being spread maliciously about Trump is that he is some sort of war monger. That's the RINO neocons, who hate Trump (and he hates them).

Of the previous 5 US presidents, the record of getting us into/keeping us out of wars is as follows:

GHWB - Iraq
Bill Clinton - Balkans
GWB - Afghanistan, Iraq
Obama - Libya, Syria
Trump - nowhere

If Trump were President now, we'd still be full-force in the Afghanistan shell-game supplying the Taliban, NATO would be a divided meaningless joke, Putin would have most of Ukraine occupied and worst yet, half the American public would be brainwashed into thinking the US and the world is stronger because of it.

Septic tanks aren't as full of $h1t as you are. Wow. A few corrections to your insane postulations re Trump in his 2nd term plus two additional points:
1. Trump would have pulled out of Afghanistan in November once the Taliban left for the winter with zero incidents/unnecessary deaths.
2. NATO would still be footing their share of the costs and listening to Trump as they did in his first term.
3. Putin would have waited for Trump to be OOO on 1/20/24 before daring any aggression on Ukraine.
4. The U.S. economy would be kicking @ss and inflation would be very low because America would still be energy independent.
5. The Southern border would be under total control.

The reality that you are gamely trying to ignore with your Trump fantasies is your guy Biden* is a complete and unmitigated POS disaster as POTUS.

(04-04-2022 08:30 PM)boss man Wrote:  

(04-04-2022 07:32 PM)scorpius Wrote:  

(04-03-2022 10:15 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-03-2022 10:07 AM)Gamenole Wrote:  Please keep talking about this Trump, lets see how popular the idea of going BACK into Afghanistan is -
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/15104059...rica-rally

Another of the false rumors being spread maliciously about Trump is that he is some sort of war monger. That's the RINO neocons, who hate Trump (and he hates them).

Of the previous 5 US presidents, the record of getting us into/keeping us out of wars is as follows:

GHWB - Iraq
Bill Clinton - Balkans
GWB - Afghanistan, Iraq
Obama - Libya, Syria
Trump - nowhere

If Trump were President now, we'd still be full-force in the Afghanistan shell-game supplying the Taliban, NATO would be a divided meaningless joke, Putin would have most of Ukraine occupied and worst yet, half the American public would be brainwashed into thinking the US and the world is stronger because of it.

Septic tanks aren't as full of $h1t as you are. Wow. A few corrections to your insane postulations re Trump in his 2nd term plus two additional points:
1. Trump would have pulled out of Afghanistan in November once the Taliban left for the winter with zero incidents/unnecessary deaths.
2. NATO would still be footing their share of the costs and listening to Trump as they did in his first term.
3. Putin would have waited for Trump to be OOO on 1/20/24 before daring any aggression on Ukraine.
4. The U.S. economy would be kicking @ss and inflation would be very low because America would still be energy independent.
5. The Southern border would be under total control.

The reality that you are gamely trying to ignore with your Trump fantasies is your guy Biden* is a complete and unmitigated POS disaster as POTUS.

You said a lot of laughable things there, but this one is definitely my favorite. This isn't Westeros, winter comes every year - if the Taliban leaves in winter (what are they, geese?) then why were we never able to fully control the country despite the annual winters occurring between 2001-2020? You'd also think the Soviet Union, a country somewhat familiar with winter and using it for military advantage, might have made better use of this magical dormant season during their failed 1979-1989 occupation of Afghanistan.

As for your very stable genius using the Taliban's Achilles heel of winter to escape the Graveyard of Empires "with zero incidents/unnecessary deaths", if that was his plan it is interesting that he negotiated a withdrawal agreement promising final withdrawal by MAY 1, 2021, firmly in what we call SPRING in the northern hemisphere.

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/08/timeli...ghanistan/

(04-04-2022 07:39 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-04-2022 07:32 PM)scorpius Wrote:  If Trump were President now, we'd still be full-force in the Afghanistan shell-game supplying the Taliban, NATO would be a divided meaningless joke, Putin would have most of Ukraine occupied and worst yet, half the American public would be brainwashed into thinking the US and the world is stronger because of it.

And you have absolutely nothing to support any of those allegations.

1. Trump left us in Afghanistan during his entire Presidency. (Biden couldn't have ended it faster.)

2. Trump made a mockery of NATO, divided it and weakened it. (NATO is now as strong as it ever has been in the past under the leadership of Biden.)

3. Trump did everything he could to keep military aid out of the hands of Ukrainians, even to the point of getting impeached over extorting them over it. (Biden is pumping billions in aid to Ukraine with the only limitation being that it doesn't start WWIII, rather than political campaign extortion.)

4. Trump incited a coop attempt on the Capitol to try to stay in office for the first ever transfer of power in American history that wasn't non-violent. Yet he has half the public brainwashed into believing it's no big deal. (Biden's main message is that this is about democracy vs authoritarianism, rather than trying to brainwash us into thinking it's "genius" to just take over a country because you don't agree with an election outcome.)

Perhaps you should take a look at the authoritarian administration in Hungry for a good example of what would have happened here if Trump remained in office and/or Republicans continue down this authoritarian path. Despite going through the motions to reluctantly "support" sanctions against Putin, the Hungarian administration openly and proudly supports him, just like Trump does, and most of the Republican party would have had he remained in office.

(04-05-2022 02:02 AM)scorpius Wrote:  

(04-04-2022 07:39 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-04-2022 07:32 PM)scorpius Wrote:  If Trump were President now, we'd still be full-force in the Afghanistan shell-game supplying the Taliban, NATO would be a divided meaningless joke, Putin would have most of Ukraine occupied and worst yet, half the American public would be brainwashed into thinking the US and the world is stronger because of it.

And you have absolutely nothing to support any of those allegations.

1. Trump left us in Afghanistan during his entire Presidency. (Biden couldn't have ended it faster.)

2. Trump made a mockery of NATO, divided it and weakened it. (NATO is now as strong as it ever has been in the past under the leadership of Biden.)

3. Trump did everything he could to keep military aid out of the hands of Ukrainians, even to the point of getting impeached over extorting them over it. (Biden is pumping billions in aid to Ukraine with the only limitation being that it doesn't start WWIII, rather than political campaign extortion.)

4. Trump incited a coop attempt on the Capitol to try to stay in office for the first ever transfer of power in American history that wasn't non-violent. Yet he has half the public brainwashed into believing it's no big deal. (Biden's main message is that this is about democracy vs authoritarianism, rather than trying to brainwash us into thinking it's "genius" to just take over a country because you don't agree with an election outcome.)

Perhaps you should take a look at the authoritarian administration in Hungry for a good example of what would have happened here if Trump remained in office and/or Republicans continue down this authoritarian path. Despite going through the motions to reluctantly "support" sanctions against Putin, the Hungarian administration openly and proudly supports him, just like Trump does, and most of the Republican party would have had he remained in office.

One could also say that the rapid increase in weapons being supplied to Ukraine in the past year, at least in part, lead to the Ukrainian army buildup in the east and attempt to retake Donbas, which in part lead to their being invaded. If you flood a place with weapons when there was no war, and war then breaks out, it could be either viewed as prescient or as lighting a match.

Either way, there wasn’t a Ukrainian war under Trump.

(04-05-2022 03:30 AM)Todor Wrote:  

(04-05-2022 02:02 AM)scorpius Wrote:  

(04-04-2022 07:39 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-04-2022 07:32 PM)scorpius Wrote:  If Trump were President now, we'd still be full-force in the Afghanistan shell-game supplying the Taliban, NATO would be a divided meaningless joke, Putin would have most of Ukraine occupied and worst yet, half the American public would be brainwashed into thinking the US and the world is stronger because of it.

And you have absolutely nothing to support any of those allegations.

1. Trump left us in Afghanistan during his entire Presidency. (Biden couldn't have ended it faster.)

2. Trump made a mockery of NATO, divided it and weakened it. (NATO is now as strong as it ever has been in the past under the leadership of Biden.)

3. Trump did everything he could to keep military aid out of the hands of Ukrainians, even to the point of getting impeached over extorting them over it. (Biden is pumping billions in aid to Ukraine with the only limitation being that it doesn't start WWIII, rather than political campaign extortion.)

4. Trump incited a coop attempt on the Capitol to try to stay in office for the first ever transfer of power in American history that wasn't non-violent. Yet he has half the public brainwashed into believing it's no big deal. (Biden's main message is that this is about democracy vs authoritarianism, rather than trying to brainwash us into thinking it's "genius" to just take over a country because you don't agree with an election outcome.)

Perhaps you should take a look at the authoritarian administration in Hungry for a good example of what would have happened here if Trump remained in office and/or Republicans continue down this authoritarian path. Despite going through the motions to reluctantly "support" sanctions against Putin, the Hungarian administration openly and proudly supports him, just like Trump does, and most of the Republican party would have had he remained in office.

One could also say that the rapid increase in weapons being supplied to Ukraine in the past year, at least in part, lead to the Ukrainian army buildup in the east and attempt to retake Donbas, which in part lead to their being invaded. If you flood a place with weapons when there was no war, and war then breaks out, it could be either viewed as prescient or as lighting a match.

Either way, there wasn’t a Ukrainian war under Trump.

This is a classic case of brainwashed into believing it's not only okay to take over a country when you don't agree with their election outcome, but it's somehow even better to not support resistance against the take over.

I think you need to take a step back and look at yourself in the mirror.

(04-16-2023 02:35 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Given that Afghanistan's largest exports are heroin and radical Islamic fundamentalism---watching this trade relationship unfold should be fun.

One could say marching your army into another nation and occupying almost 20% of it predictably results in the remains of the invaded nation arming itself better. In fact, the last two Russian land grabs have resulted in Russia facing a far larger and better armed border region to its west---with even MORE Russian neighbors requesting membership in NATO. Only the most simple minded believe that that the Russians are not their own worst enemies when it comes to causing NATO to slowly increase in size and capability.

Its funny that so many understand that this war would not have occurred with Trump as the US president. The simple reason is Trump was a strong leader and would have not have stood for any invasion. Putin KNEW Trump would not allow a Russian take over of Ukraine---which is why there would not have never been an invasion to begin with if Trump were still president. That said, Trump--working from a position of strength and respect---would have worked out a deal with Putin before it got so far out of hand---but doing that required a leader that Putin respected. That aint Biden.

As for NATO's strength----Trump was the one that told NATO nations that relying on Russian gas made them vulnerable. Trump was the one who demanded that the NATO nations meet their 2% GNP minimum requirements for self defense investment. Its pure Democrat propaganda to claim that Trump undermined NATO. He sought to make NATO stronger and he sought to reduce NATO's cost/reliance on the US by demanding that NATO nations at least provide the very MINIMUM agreed upon amount toward their own defense---which would make NATO even stronger militarily. How anyone could define warning fellow NATO nations of danger and requiring NATO nations to increase defense spending as "weakening NATO" is beyond me. The leaders "weakening NATO" were the ones becoming reliant on Russian gas and the leaders who were trying to get away with spending less than the NATO minimum on defense.