(08-06-2021 09:21 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote: People are confused do to the misinformation campaign waged by many on the right.
People are confused because the people whose job it is have done an incredibly poor job of articulating the issues. Fauci in particular.
Something like 30% of Democrats and independents haven't been vaccinated... Making this PURELY a 'left/right' issue only serves to drive the wedge deeper and misrepresents the reality. Is what you're saying true?? Sure... but with perhaps 30% of dems and 40% of reps not getting vaccinated, it's demonstrably a SMALL portion of those who are 'following the misinformation of the right'. There are places in San Fran where barely 50% are choosing to be vaccinated. I do find it odd that the left was so concerned about Russian interference in 2016 through misinformation on facebook etc... and now such things are completely ignored and even dismissed in both the misinformation campaign and their ability to influence elections.
(08-06-2021 11:26 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote: (08-06-2021 11:04 AM)Hambone10 Wrote: I'd add one more thought regarding 'the rise in cases'. The rise in cases as you reopen is inevitable and there IS value in having natural immunities develop along with a vaccine.... The key indicator is severity, not a simple 'infection or no'. H1N1 wasn't as bad as COVID, but it was eventually added to the annual flu vaccine, so its still around and in fairly large numbers... but we aren't as concerned about it as we once were because we've developed better testing and treatment for it.
You can't SIMPLY rely on vaccines. Better living through Chemistry isn't the law of nature, who always wins.
Does that last statement need some sort of qualifier? What about polio? Smallpox? I’m not a huge history buff, so people should fill in a gap if it exists, but weren’t vaccines the reason they have basically been eradicated in the US?
It's difficult to know what would have happened since we didn't do that. Would we have been as effective if we'd only vaccinated 70%? Who knows. Still today, only about 90% of Americans have completed the polio vaccine.... and only about 79% get them according to the CDC recommendation.... so even THIS hasn't been near 100%, and I feel pretty confident that we didn't engage in as aggressive a vaccination campaign back in the 1950's... and NO WAY we could have maintained a database of vaccinations or had reasonable records. To think these haven't been faked or what have you for decades is silly. I think the 79% and 90% numbers today are likely very close to correct... but this is a vaccine and 'settled science' that has been around for 65 years now. The death rate from Polio was 2-5% for children and 15-30% for adolescents and adults.... and can be as high as 75% with ALS.
The first smallpox vaccine was developed 225 years ago.... and smallpox had a mortality rate of 30% of those infected. We made an aggressive move against smallpox at about the same time as Polio... but again, had been studied and attacked for 150+ years. If CoVID is still around in meaningful numbers in 2050, I could see being more aggressive. If it is more similar to our experience with H1N1, then it makes zero sense.
CoVID isn't either one of these. It's much closer to the flu than it is to those, and isn't that close to flu either. That's a different issue, but its important to consider. When we speak of 'misinformation', I think comparisons to Polio and Smallpox vaccines as if we're doing for COVID what we did for those are similarly misleading. Yes ultimately we required vaccines for those, but there were still many exceptions, the diseases were much more deadly and we knew a lot more about both them and these vaccines and the long-term impacts of both.
I THINK that's a pretty fair assessment of the comparison. 'Misleading' can often simply be presenting a bias that someone else disagrees with. If the CDC/Left want to convince more people, then need to tell a more convincing story. They still won't get everyone, but they never will anyway.
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