(07-27-2021 04:23 PM)true_blue_thru_and_thru Wrote:  

(07-27-2021 03:33 PM)JetFixer Wrote:  I would rather have UCF than BYU. I like the sound of Cincinnati, Memphis, Houston, and UCF.

BYU can't play or travel on Sundays though right? Wonder if they even want to be in a football conference. Seems like they are like Notre Dame-lite and can schedule whoever they want. Didn't they sign an exclusive tv deal with ESPN?

If you really think about it, outside of Women’s bball how many sports play more than 1 or 2 games a season on Sunday?

(07-27-2021 06:38 PM)cmt Wrote:  This is the closest we've ever really been. A much better fit than that 6 month stint in the Big East. 8 B12 teams, 4 AAC teams (Memphis, Cincinnati, UCF and Houston) and maybe a Boise St, USF, Temple and/or BYU??? Wow.

What would really be cool is if we could poach a couple of ACC teams to round out 16 and lend some long term stability. I can dream, but adding a couple of teams the likes of Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Syracuse, Pitt and Louisville would be spectacular. That might get us a really good TV contract too.

I believe there once was a conference with Memphis, Cincinnati, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, and Louisville. 40 years ago.

(07-31-2021 01:53 PM)micman Wrote:  

(07-27-2021 06:38 PM)cmt Wrote:  This is the closest we've ever really been. A much better fit than that 6 month stint in the Big East. 8 B12 teams, 4 AAC teams (Memphis, Cincinnati, UCF and Houston) and maybe a Boise St, USF, Temple and/or BYU??? Wow.

What would really be cool is if we could poach a couple of ACC teams to round out 16 and lend some long term stability. I can dream, but adding a couple of teams the likes of Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Syracuse, Pitt and Louisville would be spectacular. That might get us a really good TV contract too.

I believe there once was a conference with Memphis, Cincinnati, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, and Louisville. 40 years ago.

Not in the sport that matters.

(07-28-2021 02:33 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-28-2021 01:32 PM)hk25 Wrote:  

(07-28-2021 11:57 AM)3rdgenerationtiger Wrote:  

(07-28-2021 11:37 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-28-2021 10:26 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  You may be right, but they would be foolish to sit still. They are currently at 8 teams and if they wait until a couple more are poached, it'll be too late.

They can still add 4 teams, while keeping their individual ears open to "better deals".

My guess is that they move to add 4 teams, quickly. My fear is that this may happen, but we're looking at another "Big East Bound" situation, like a decade ago. We get invited to the big party, only to show up and everyone has gone to the super big party.

From a competitive standpoint, we need for Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Baylor and TCU to stick around. I think the only flight risk, and a slight one at that is Oklahoma State. If Kansas and Iowa State leave, that would help the conference football wise.

If only Kansas and Iowa State leave, the conference can sign a really good tv contract with a GOR for the next 15 years, and make a good living with 10 teams and decent bowl tie ins.

Will the broadcast rights increase so that the B1G and ACC can add teams and not cut the payout per team numbers? I’m not so sure there will be, and if there’s not, there won’t be any expansion of the other leagues. The only one that will see an increase will be the SEC and that increase will match the B12 decrease which happens upon Texas and Ok. leaving.

Like I somewhat said in another post, I think the B1G decision triggers what happens next. They are the current heavyweight champ in tv $ that just took a big punch from the SEC that has staggered them. I doubt they don’t punch back & that punch is going to probably impact ACC & PAC.

Once the top Programs in PAC & ACC that are also AAU schools join B1G, then business picks up for the best of the rest to align.

But yes I do agree that there probably isn’t a lot of an incremental increase in tv $ being paid out, it’s more or less just reassigned among conferences that remain & who their members are.

I'm obviously an optimist, but aside from the PAC 12 and Big 12 merging, I can't really see much that can hurt us. The Big Ten isn't going to be able to poach any difference makers on the field. They don't seem to be willing to waver on insisting on schools with great academics.

Who are seen as potential targets? Kansas, Georgia Tech and now Iowa State are talked about the most. It seems like none among UNC, Virginia or Duke want to move even if they are invited.

The $EC schools are going to all be making a ton of money, but they are going to be spinning their wheels even more. You are going to have a lot of two loss teams that will be out of the playoff. You will have the bottom of the conference being in very real danger of not making bowl games more often than not, and never being in contention for their league championship game.

If the Big Ten and $EC add teams, that will force a 16 team playoff. The $EC will probably think they have 5 or 6 of the top 10 teams. There is no way they will accept a 12 team playoff where they only get 3 in.

When this realignment stuff came out last week, I asked on Stingtalk, a GT message board, about how serious the BIG 10 thing was last time around. No one was enthusiastic about the idea of going to the Big 10 at all. They did not like the idea of losing the ability to travel to games regionally. I doubt it will have a lot of support from the majority of their alumni.

(07-27-2021 06:38 PM)cmt Wrote:  This is the closest we've ever really been. A much better fit than that 6 month stint in the Big East. 8 B12 teams, 4 AAC teams (Memphis, Cincinnati, UCF and Houston) and maybe a Boise St, USF, Temple and/or BYU??? Wow.

What would really be cool is if we could poach a couple of ACC teams to round out 16 and lend some long term stability. I can dream, but adding a couple of teams the likes of Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Syracuse, Pitt and Louisville would be spectacular. That might get us a really good TV contract too.

You lost me at “poach a couple of ACC teams”. Never gonna happen. It makes less than zero sense for an ACC team to leave a stable and lucrative conference for the big 12 with Tex/OU, much less what it will be now.

(07-31-2021 03:12 PM)Southernpride416 Wrote:  

(07-27-2021 06:38 PM)cmt Wrote:  This is the closest we've ever really been. A much better fit than that 6 month stint in the Big East. 8 B12 teams, 4 AAC teams (Memphis, Cincinnati, UCF and Houston) and maybe a Boise St, USF, Temple and/or BYU??? Wow.

What would really be cool is if we could poach a couple of ACC teams to round out 16 and lend some long term stability. I can dream, but adding a couple of teams the likes of Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Syracuse, Pitt and Louisville would be spectacular. That might get us a really good TV contract too.

You lost me at “poach a couple of ACC teams”. Never gonna happen. It makes less than zero sense for an ACC team to leave a stable and lucrative conference for the big 12 with Tex/OU, much less what it will be now.

Not true at all. You are ridding yourself of the bottom feeders and strengthening the conference. You are also trimming to 12 from 16. 4 AAC joining the leftovers is by far the best option.

(07-31-2021 03:12 PM)Southernpride416 Wrote:  

(07-27-2021 06:38 PM)cmt Wrote:  This is the closest we've ever really been. A much better fit than that 6 month stint in the Big East. 8 B12 teams, 4 AAC teams (Memphis, Cincinnati, UCF and Houston) and maybe a Boise St, USF, Temple and/or BYU??? Wow.

What would really be cool is if we could poach a couple of ACC teams to round out 16 and lend some long term stability. I can dream, but adding a couple of teams the likes of Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Syracuse, Pitt and Louisville would be spectacular. That might get us a really good TV contract too.

You lost me at “poach a couple of ACC teams”. Never gonna happen. It makes less than zero sense for an ACC team to leave a stable and lucrative conference for the big 12 with Tex/OU, much less what it will be now.

At some point, the big conferences will look to see how they can add even more $$ to their pockets.
One option to explore will be cutting their losses, reducing expenses.
Teams like Vandy who do not pull their weight in a conference could be cut. The Big East did it to Temple ...so yeah it can happen.
I am not saying that it definitely will...but in a mega-conference scenario...tv providers want the best games...no one wants to see Vandy vs Kansas.

(07-31-2021 04:38 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(07-31-2021 03:12 PM)Southernpride416 Wrote:  

(07-27-2021 06:38 PM)cmt Wrote:  This is the closest we've ever really been. A much better fit than that 6 month stint in the Big East. 8 B12 teams, 4 AAC teams (Memphis, Cincinnati, UCF and Houston) and maybe a Boise St, USF, Temple and/or BYU??? Wow.

What would really be cool is if we could poach a couple of ACC teams to round out 16 and lend some long term stability. I can dream, but adding a couple of teams the likes of Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Syracuse, Pitt and Louisville would be spectacular. That might get us a really good TV contract too.

You lost me at “poach a couple of ACC teams”. Never gonna happen. It makes less than zero sense for an ACC team to leave a stable and lucrative conference for the big 12 with Tex/OU, much less what it will be now.

At some point, the big conferences will look to see how they can add even more $$ to their pockets.
One option to explore will be cutting their losses, reducing expenses.
Teams like Vandy who do not pull their weight in a conference could be cut. The Big East did it to Temple ...so yeah it can happen.
I am not saying that it definitely will...but in a mega-conference scenario...tv providers want the best games...no one wants to see Vandy vs Kansas.

Yeah, but any sports match is a binary proposition. 1 team wins and one team loses. No matter how many awesome teams you stack a conference with and how many dregs you let go you will still have a conference where half the teams lose more conference games than they win. Those teams will just be the new dregs.

(07-31-2021 04:47 PM)Southernpride416 Wrote:  

(07-31-2021 04:38 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(07-31-2021 03:12 PM)Southernpride416 Wrote:  

(07-27-2021 06:38 PM)cmt Wrote:  This is the closest we've ever really been. A much better fit than that 6 month stint in the Big East. 8 B12 teams, 4 AAC teams (Memphis, Cincinnati, UCF and Houston) and maybe a Boise St, USF, Temple and/or BYU??? Wow.

What would really be cool is if we could poach a couple of ACC teams to round out 16 and lend some long term stability. I can dream, but adding a couple of teams the likes of Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Syracuse, Pitt and Louisville would be spectacular. That might get us a really good TV contract too.

You lost me at “poach a couple of ACC teams”. Never gonna happen. It makes less than zero sense for an ACC team to leave a stable and lucrative conference for the big 12 with Tex/OU, much less what it will be now.

At some point, the big conferences will look to see how they can add even more $$ to their pockets.
One option to explore will be cutting their losses, reducing expenses.
Teams like Vandy who do not pull their weight in a conference could be cut. The Big East did it to Temple ...so yeah it can happen.
I am not saying that it definitely will...but in a mega-conference scenario...tv providers want the best games...no one wants to see Vandy vs Kansas.

Yeah, but any sports match is a binary proposition. 1 team wins and one team loses. No matter how many awesome teams you stack a conference with and how many dregs you let go you will still have a conference where half the teams lose more conference games than they win. Those teams will just be the new dregs.

Not necessarily. If you have one or two truly awful teams, most or all of the others could have winning records. Example: an 8-team conference that plays a double round-robin. Awful U loses every game and finishes 0-14. The other teams all split with each other, so they all finish tied for first at 8-6.

Of course this works the other way too. You could have one great team that finishes 14-0 and a bunch of mediocre ones that all finish 6-8!

(07-31-2021 06:05 PM)OldFan Wrote:  

(07-31-2021 04:47 PM)Southernpride416 Wrote:  

(07-31-2021 04:38 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(07-31-2021 03:12 PM)Southernpride416 Wrote:  

(07-27-2021 06:38 PM)cmt Wrote:  This is the closest we've ever really been. A much better fit than that 6 month stint in the Big East. 8 B12 teams, 4 AAC teams (Memphis, Cincinnati, UCF and Houston) and maybe a Boise St, USF, Temple and/or BYU??? Wow.

What would really be cool is if we could poach a couple of ACC teams to round out 16 and lend some long term stability. I can dream, but adding a couple of teams the likes of Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Syracuse, Pitt and Louisville would be spectacular. That might get us a really good TV contract too.

You lost me at “poach a couple of ACC teams”. Never gonna happen. It makes less than zero sense for an ACC team to leave a stable and lucrative conference for the big 12 with Tex/OU, much less what it will be now.

At some point, the big conferences will look to see how they can add even more $$ to their pockets.
One option to explore will be cutting their losses, reducing expenses.
Teams like Vandy who do not pull their weight in a conference could be cut. The Big East did it to Temple ...so yeah it can happen.
I am not saying that it definitely will...but in a mega-conference scenario...tv providers want the best games...no one wants to see Vandy vs Kansas.

Yeah, but any sports match is a binary proposition. 1 team wins and one team loses. No matter how many awesome teams you stack a conference with and how many dregs you let go you will still have a conference where half the teams lose more conference games than they win. Those teams will just be the new dregs.

Not necessarily. If you have one or two truly awful teams, most or all of the others could have winning records. Example: an 8-team conference that plays a double round-robin. Awful U loses every game and finishes 0-14. The other teams all split with each other, so they all finish tied for first at 8-6.

Of course this works the other way too. You could have one great team that finishes 14-0 and a bunch of mediocre ones that all finish 6-8!

The more I read, the less I'm convinced that there is a lot of optimism about this from the legacy SEC teams. UGa people don't seem very excited, and they're at the top of the food chain. I can't imagine the (2) Mississippi schools are overly excited. Tennessee certainly can't be excited over the likelihood that it loses the UT moniker to Texas. I think that the schools were collectively bullied into voting for this as none of them wanted to show weakness. If I had to guess, I bet only Alabama and Vanderbilt really fully support this.

(07-31-2021 01:53 PM)micman Wrote:  I believe there once was a conference with Memphis, Cincinnati, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, and Louisville. 40 years ago.

Florida State and South Carolina were in it longer than GA Tech..

(07-31-2021 07:18 PM)Herff Tiger Wrote:  

(07-31-2021 01:53 PM)micman Wrote:  I believe there once was a conference with Memphis, Cincinnati, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, and Louisville. 40 years ago.

Florida State and South Carolina were in it longer than GA Tech..

Correct. And Tulane , if I'm not mistaken.