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RE: From Sun Belt board: SEC network saying Big 12 has 4 teams in mind
(07-27-2021 03:58 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote: Am I reading this wrong or is this a statement from Kansas State sources?
https://247sports.com/college/kansas-sta...2bB7XkPpG8
There is no coincidence to the order mentioned. Cincinnati, Memphis, UCF and Houston. That has been the order since 2016, and when I post, I name Cincinnati ahead of us. There were only 3 real targets, with Cincinnati and us being in, UCF being in if they went to 4; but no viable 4th addition; everyone hates Houston.
Now the idiots are in full panic mode and have no choice but to add Houston. Another thing, BYU isn't getting an invite.
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RE: From Sun Belt board: SEC network saying Big 12 has 4 teams in mind
Ike can divulge he heard similar talk on Monday evening in Norman from a Dude from Kansas
TIGERNATION will be in great shape when everything shakes out
Unfortunately Oklahoma state is shopping
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RE: From Sun Belt board: SEC network saying Big 12 has 4 teams in mind
This is the closest we've ever really been. A much better fit than that 6 month stint in the Big East. 8 B12 teams, 4 AAC teams (Memphis, Cincinnati, UCF and Houston) and maybe a Boise St, USF, Temple and/or BYU??? Wow.
What would really be cool is if we could poach a couple of ACC teams to round out 16 and lend some long term stability. I can dream, but adding a couple of teams the likes of Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Syracuse, Pitt and Louisville would be spectacular. That might get us a really good TV contract too.
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RE: From Sun Belt board: SEC network saying Big 12 has 4 teams in mind
(07-27-2021 03:04 PM)Claw Wrote: (07-27-2021 02:29 PM)hk25 Wrote: Wonder who next call is after potentially both Cincy & BYU turn them down, SMU or Boise I would assume.
I would not be surprised if Cincy is waiting on ACC decision.
Shocked B12 would move fast unless current schools are already hearing thanks but no thanks from the other conferences.
Although could just be step 2 of a multi step process or plan B if A falls through.
They didn't move fast last time. I too would be surprised if they actually move quickly.
Better to be the lion & not the lamb… if the Big 12 is deliberate, then they’ll get picked apart. They need to target 4 schools and settle the ship, and do it as quickly as possible.
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RE: From Sun Belt board: SEC network saying Big 12 has 4 teams in mind
(07-27-2021 06:48 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote: (07-27-2021 03:04 PM)Claw Wrote: (07-27-2021 02:29 PM)hk25 Wrote: Wonder who next call is after potentially both Cincy & BYU turn them down, SMU or Boise I would assume.
I would not be surprised if Cincy is waiting on ACC decision.
Shocked B12 would move fast unless current schools are already hearing thanks but no thanks from the other conferences.
Although could just be step 2 of a multi step process or plan B if A falls through.
They didn't move fast last time. I too would be surprised if they actually move quickly.
Better to be the lion & not the lamb… if the Big 12 is deliberate, then they’ll get picked apart. They need to target 4 schools and settle the ship, and do it as quickly as possible.
exactly. Their tv deal diminishes without Tx and OU.
Adding Cinci, us, UCF, and Houston can keep it within the $20 million range.
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RE: From Sun Belt board: SEC network saying Big 12 has 4 teams in mind
(07-27-2021 03:10 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote: (07-27-2021 03:04 PM)Claw Wrote: (07-27-2021 02:29 PM)hk25 Wrote: Wonder who next call is after potentially both Cincy & BYU turn them down, SMU or Boise I would assume.
I would not be surprised if Cincy is waiting on ACC decision.
Shocked B12 would move fast unless current schools are already hearing thanks but no thanks from the other conferences.
Although could just be step 2 of a multi step process or plan B if A falls through.
They didn't move fast last time. I too would be surprised if they actually move quickly.
They weren't losing Texas and Oklahoma last time desperate times call for desperate measures
^ this. doen't mean it's true but no TX/OU should mean no dog and pony show this time
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RE: From Sun Belt board: SEC network saying Big 12 has 4 teams in mind
(07-27-2021 03:13 PM)Tiger46 Wrote: (07-27-2021 03:10 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote: (07-27-2021 03:04 PM)Claw Wrote: (07-27-2021 02:29 PM)hk25 Wrote: Wonder who next call is after potentially both Cincy & BYU turn them down, SMU or Boise I would assume.
I would not be surprised if Cincy is waiting on ACC decision.
Shocked B12 would move fast unless current schools are already hearing thanks but no thanks from the other conferences.
Although could just be step 2 of a multi step process or plan B if A falls through.
They didn't move fast last time. I too would be surprised if they actually move quickly.
They weren't losing Texas and Oklahoma last time desperate times call for desperate measures
They have known for years this day would come.
In fairness, this info was leaked and was a TOTAL shock to everyone that's involved.....This was an extreme game of hush hush....NOW theses pundits are scrambling to right a sinking ship
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RE: From Sun Belt board: SEC network saying Big 12 has 4 teams in mind
Yes because if there’s anything the B12 has shown is prescience and strong leadership.
I will be extremely surprised if they can move this fast.
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RE: From Sun Belt board: SEC network saying Big 12 has 4 teams in mind
(07-27-2021 08:34 PM)UofMemphis Wrote: (07-27-2021 03:10 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote: (07-27-2021 03:04 PM)Claw Wrote: (07-27-2021 02:29 PM)hk25 Wrote: Wonder who next call is after potentially both Cincy & BYU turn them down, SMU or Boise I would assume.
I would not be surprised if Cincy is waiting on ACC decision.
Shocked B12 would move fast unless current schools are already hearing thanks but no thanks from the other conferences.
Although could just be step 2 of a multi step process or plan B if A falls through.
They didn't move fast last time. I too would be surprised if they actually move quickly.
They weren't losing Texas and Oklahoma last time desperate times call for desperate measures
^ this. doen't mean it's true but no TX/OU should mean no dog and pony show this time
The real question is what kind of clauses the network legal eagles put into that contract.
They could be six kinda ******.
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RE: From Sun Belt board: SEC network saying Big 12 has 4 teams in mind
(07-27-2021 05:52 PM)memphisike Wrote: Ike can divulge he heard similar talk on Monday evening in Norman from a Dude from Kansas
TIGERNATION will be in great shape when everything shakes out
Unfortunately Oklahoma state is shopping
OSU shopping would make sense. I would think they would try to get into the SEC with OU going there.
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RE: From Sun Belt board: SEC network saying Big 12 has 4 teams in mind
That would all be great but would likely end up like our entry into the Big East
Almost immediately teams left, including Louisville and the basketball schools
However the net result is we still elevated some from CUSA. Reconnected with Cincy and USF, got Temple and UCF.
If the Big12 added the four being mentioned above (including us), great. Better affiliation with OKState, WV, Kansas etc. But if very shortly thereafter Kansas and WV etc leave, we end up with basically losing Tulsa for Baylor. Maybe Temple for TX Tech or KState or TCU. Overall would be a slight improvement and in a good result, closer road trips
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RE: From Sun Belt board: SEC network saying Big 12 has 4 teams in mind
(07-27-2021 09:26 PM)DallasTiger Wrote: (07-27-2021 05:52 PM)memphisike Wrote: Ike can divulge he heard similar talk on Monday evening in Norman from a Dude from Kansas
TIGERNATION will be in great shape when everything shakes out
Unfortunately Oklahoma state is shopping
OSU shopping would make sense. I would think they would try to get into the SEC with OU going there.
Why would the SEC want Oklahoma State? They could probably get just about any team in the country they wanted (only possible one that might say no would be Notre Dame in my mind). Forget Ok State, if they want more ask Ohio State / Michigan or Clemson /FSU. Don’t mess with any of the smaller P5 teams.
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RE: From Sun Belt board: SEC network saying Big 12 has 4 teams in mind
Ike said they r shopping, but looking out for themselves, Ike was told they want the sec but, the sec don't want them.
They will beg the BIG but, the BIG has other priorities.
IKE's sources say in all probability they'll be in the 12 for a little longer, their biggest fear is they will not dominate and will become a mediocre 12 member.
Ike can say everything is very fluid with several conferences planning additions and subtractions.
TIGERNATION is in a great spot, the 12 and ACC both want us and the AAC is upgrading
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RE: From Sun Belt board: SEC network saying Big 12 has 4 teams in mind
Every school in the B12 wants to leave before the ship sinks. It makes sense that they won’t do anything in the way of adding teams unless the ACC, B10 or PAC makes a move. Those three leagues know the B12 teams will be there plus the B10 could also cherry pick from the other leagues. So it’s basically a game of chicken. Everybody waiting to pounce as soon as the first move is made.
Then we still have the super league.
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RE: From Sun Belt board: SEC network saying Big 12 has 4 teams in mind
(07-27-2021 07:05 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote: (07-27-2021 06:48 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote: (07-27-2021 03:04 PM)Claw Wrote: (07-27-2021 02:29 PM)hk25 Wrote: Wonder who next call is after potentially both Cincy & BYU turn them down, SMU or Boise I would assume.
I would not be surprised if Cincy is waiting on ACC decision.
Shocked B12 would move fast unless current schools are already hearing thanks but no thanks from the other conferences.
Although could just be step 2 of a multi step process or plan B if A falls through.
They didn't move fast last time. I too would be surprised if they actually move quickly.
Better to be the lion & not the lamb… if the Big 12 is deliberate, then they’ll get picked apart. They need to target 4 schools and settle the ship, and do it as quickly as possible.
exactly. Their tv deal diminishes without Tx and OU.
Adding Cinci, us, UCF, and Houston can keep it within the $20 million range.
If the diminished B-12 wound up with a contract @$20M that would be amazing. I'm guessing it will be in the range of $12-15M even if they get BYU, and the perceived top AAC schools (whoever they are) - and there's no guarantee FOX will even bid. With ESPN giving the SEC the biggest deal in history with the arrival of UT/OU, ESPN will be looking for a bargain price to get the B-12.
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RE: From Sun Belt board: SEC network saying Big 12 has 4 teams in mind
Do we really want to go the that mess? I say we stay here and make the Big 12 teams come to us. The AAC is more stable right now
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RE: From Sun Belt board: SEC network saying Big 12 has 4 teams in mind
(07-28-2021 09:16 AM)gotigers1 Wrote: Do we really want to go the that mess? I say we stay here and make the Big 12 teams come to us. The AAC is more stable right now
Not a chance we want that. Our conference is bottom heavy with schools that aren't good, with no brand. The Big 12 still has very good programs remaining. This is a chance for our 4 best, 3 of which have a national brand, to add as much value as possible to that conference and break away from the bottom feeders. The only school I would miss is Navy.
Navy
Tulsa
ECU
Temple
USF
SMU
Tulane
Aside from Kansas, the Big 12's least successful programs are still good.
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RE: From Sun Belt board: SEC network saying Big 12 has 4 teams in mind
(07-28-2021 06:48 AM)Atlanta Wrote: (07-27-2021 07:05 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote: (07-27-2021 06:48 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote: (07-27-2021 03:04 PM)Claw Wrote: (07-27-2021 02:29 PM)hk25 Wrote: Wonder who next call is after potentially both Cincy & BYU turn them down, SMU or Boise I would assume.
I would not be surprised if Cincy is waiting on ACC decision.
Shocked B12 would move fast unless current schools are already hearing thanks but no thanks from the other conferences.
Although could just be step 2 of a multi step process or plan B if A falls through.
They didn't move fast last time. I too would be surprised if they actually move quickly.
Better to be the lion & not the lamb… if the Big 12 is deliberate, then they’ll get picked apart. They need to target 4 schools and settle the ship, and do it as quickly as possible.
exactly. Their tv deal diminishes without Tx and OU.
Adding Cinci, us, UCF, and Houston can keep it within the $20 million range.
If the diminished B-12 wound up with a contract @$20M that would be amazing. I'm guessing it will be in the range of $12-15M even if they get BYU, and the perceived top AAC schools (whoever they are) - and there's no guarantee FOX will even bid. With ESPN giving the SEC the biggest deal in history with the arrival of UT/OU, ESPN will be looking for a bargain price to get the B-12.
I completely disagree. There are only so many networks and so many games you can televise at once. The networks will have to replace premium Big 12 content as well as AAC content that will immediately become worthless. The revamped Big 12 will be very valuable to whichever network gets the contract.
Having said that, $12 - $20 million seems like an accurate number. If I had to bet, I would say $15 million.
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RE: From Sun Belt board: SEC network saying Big 12 has 4 teams in mind
(07-28-2021 01:47 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote: Every school in the B12 wants to leave before the ship sinks. It makes sense that they won’t do anything in the way of adding teams unless the ACC, B10 or PAC makes a move. Those three leagues know the B12 teams will be there plus the B10 could also cherry pick from the other leagues. So it’s basically a game of chicken. Everybody waiting to pounce as soon as the first move is made.
Then we still have the super league.
You may be right, but they would be foolish to sit still. They are currently at 8 teams and if they wait until a couple more are poached, it'll be too late.
They can still add 4 teams, while keeping their individual ears open to "better deals".
My guess is that they move to add 4 teams, quickly. My fear is that this may happen, but we're looking at another "Big East Bound" situation, like a decade ago. We get invited to the big party, only to show up and everyone has gone to the super big party.
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RE: From Sun Belt board: SEC network saying Big 12 has 4 teams in mind
(07-28-2021 10:26 AM)oruvoice Wrote: (07-28-2021 01:47 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote: Every school in the B12 wants to leave before the ship sinks. It makes sense that they won’t do anything in the way of adding teams unless the ACC, B10 or PAC makes a move. Those three leagues know the B12 teams will be there plus the B10 could also cherry pick from the other leagues. So it’s basically a game of chicken. Everybody waiting to pounce as soon as the first move is made.
Then we still have the super league.
You may be right, but they would be foolish to sit still. They are currently at 8 teams and if they wait until a couple more are poached, it'll be too late.
They can still add 4 teams, while keeping their individual ears open to "better deals".
My guess is that they move to add 4 teams, quickly. My fear is that this may happen, but we're looking at another "Big East Bound" situation, like a decade ago. We get invited to the big party, only to show up and everyone has gone to the super big party.
From a competitive standpoint, we need for Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Baylor and TCU to stick around. I think the only flight risk, and a slight one at that is Oklahoma State. If Kansas and Iowa State leave, that would help the conference football wise.
If only Kansas and Iowa State leave, the conference can sign a really good tv contract with a GOR for the next 15 years, and make a good living with 10 teams and decent bowl tie ins.
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