(07-13-2021 02:10 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  over 1,600 spots lost when garages come down (work already underway on west garage) but I do not know if that is net loss accounting for new surface lot spots on garage footprints

I wonder how often M-F 9-5 during fall/spring terms when classes are in session were garages at 100% capacity? I have no idea

When I was in school, class of '13, the east lot was never full, no matter the hour. I would always go straight to the top of the garage and quickly park so I could start walking.

The west garage, however, was usually full from like....10am-2pm?

(07-14-2021 08:56 AM)T4C8 Wrote:  

(07-13-2021 02:10 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  over 1,600 spots lost when garages come down (work already underway on west garage) but I do not know if that is net loss accounting for new surface lot spots on garage footprints

I wonder how often M-F 9-5 during fall/spring terms when classes are in session were garages at 100% capacity? I have no idea

When I was in school, class of '13, the east lot was never full, no matter the hour. I would always go straight to the top of the garage and quickly park so I could start walking.

The west garage, however, was usually full from like....10am-2pm?

Most people coming from NW, W and SW? Maybe the U will be best to just turn the East spot into greenspace as originally suggested by BCMan?

(07-14-2021 08:56 AM)T4C8 Wrote:  

(07-13-2021 02:10 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  over 1,600 spots lost when garages come down (work already underway on west garage) but I do not know if that is net loss accounting for new surface lot spots on garage footprints

I wonder how often M-F 9-5 during fall/spring terms when classes are in session were garages at 100% capacity? I have no idea

When I was in school, class of '13, the east lot was never full, no matter the hour. I would always go straight to the top of the garage and quickly park so I could start walking.

The west garage, however, was usually full from like....10am-2pm?

Guessing lot 10 provides option to students entering into east side of campus, surface lot of that size is not on west side-hence heavier use of west parking garage????

My sense (20+ years parking in or near lot 10 year round) is that is location on main campus where parking really becomes as issue as closest to large academic classroom buildings in center of campus around the mall PLUS staff and faculty offices in UH, HHS, SM, FH, GH, SU etc...... Pretty dense grouping of "destinations" for students, staff and faculty especially 930a-200p period M-F when classes in session. And this fall without east garage this is where the pressure, anger and complaining will be focused, for any one trying to find a spot mid day Mon to Thursday during term. And Tues Nov 2nd home game going to be disaster for parking on that park of campus, with lot 10 closed all day

UT students are making their rounds on social media about lack of parking today. Some (exaggerating or not) mentioned 1.5 hour parking search and missing class entirely. I tend to agree with the folks closer to my age and current students that it is indeed not a walking problem. Ticketing students who park on near by streets makes life rough. When you have 10 or 30 or even 50 minutes between a job, a sport, or class... You dont expect to have to park in engineering (15-20 min walk) when your class is at the field house.

Is there parking? Maybe, but its not conveniently close to class rooms in the mall.

(08-30-2021 04:20 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  UT students are making their rounds on social media about lack of parking today. Some (exaggerating or not) mentioned 1.5 hour parking search and missing class entirely. I tend to agree with the folks closer to my age and current students that it is indeed not a walking problem. Ticketing students who park on near by streets makes life rough. When you have 10 or 30 or even 50 minutes between a job, a sport, or class... You dont expect to have to park in engineering (15-20 min walk) when your class is at the field house.

Is there parking? Maybe, but its not conveniently close to class rooms in the mall.

Agreed...this whole thing smells like someone just counting the spots we had on campus, looked at the amount of parking passes, subtracted the spots in the garages and said we were good with absolutely no care to the where the available spots are. They have literally rolled out gravel and spray painted spots near the old railroad tracks in front of Engineering...it's so small-time/minor league. Makes me sad driving by that in the morning. I know why the garage had to come down, hell, they were about ready to come down with or without assistance from a wrecking ball, but there was absolutely nothing done to figure out a solution after the Port Authority laid a check on the table. As with most things on the operations side of things at UT, when money is involved, the human factor normally goes out the window.

(08-30-2021 04:20 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  UT students are making their rounds on social media about lack of parking today. Some (exaggerating or not) mentioned 1.5 hour parking search and missing class entirely. I tend to agree with the folks closer to my age and current students that it is indeed not a walking problem. Ticketing students who park on near by streets makes life rough. When you have 10 or 30 or even 50 minutes between a job, a sport, or class... You dont expect to have to park in engineering (15-20 min walk) when your class is at the field house.

Is there parking? Maybe, but its not conveniently close to class rooms in the mall.

As a graduate student (who paid for parking) at another institution in the 90s the only parking we had access to was located in a corner lot just next to main campus, everyday I would walk to our department building the equivalent to Rocket Hall to U Hall here at UToledo (and during winters harder than Toledo)....... we have a walking problem, everyone expects a spot right next to building they have class in.

Worth noting that in last decade both total students and total faculty/staff on main campus are -20% in numbers.

(08-31-2021 08:22 AM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(08-30-2021 04:20 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  UT students are making their rounds on social media about lack of parking today. Some (exaggerating or not) mentioned 1.5 hour parking search and missing class entirely. I tend to agree with the folks closer to my age and current students that it is indeed not a walking problem. Ticketing students who park on near by streets makes life rough. When you have 10 or 30 or even 50 minutes between a job, a sport, or class... You dont expect to have to park in engineering (15-20 min walk) when your class is at the field house.

Is there parking? Maybe, but its not conveniently close to class rooms in the mall.

As a graduate student (who paid for parking) at another institution in the 90s the only parking we had access to was located in a corner lot just next to main campus, everyday I would walk to our department building the equivalent to Rocket Hall to U Hall here at UToledo (and during winters harder than Toledo)....... we have a walking problem, everyone expects a spot right next to building they have class in.

Worth noting that in last decade both total students and total faculty/staff on main campus are -20% in numbers.

Thats a hell of a lot different than juniors and seniors showing up 20 minutes prior to class on the first day of school to figure out 1000 spots are gone where they expect to park. And freshman get, what, rec and Rocket Hall lot? This is a commuter school with 8,000 cars finding their way on and off campus a day. Like i mentioned...more than 1 tweet of students driving around for the enirety of their early afternoon class missing it completely.

How quickly can these be turned into surface lots? I am wondering about the 1600 spots gone. Does that include the amount to be added back once the demolition is done and the surface lots are paved?

(08-31-2021 08:22 AM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(08-30-2021 04:20 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  UT students are making their rounds on social media about lack of parking today. Some (exaggerating or not) mentioned 1.5 hour parking search and missing class entirely. I tend to agree with the folks closer to my age and current students that it is indeed not a walking problem. Ticketing students who park on near by streets makes life rough. When you have 10 or 30 or even 50 minutes between a job, a sport, or class... You dont expect to have to park in engineering (15-20 min walk) when your class is at the field house.

Is there parking? Maybe, but its not conveniently close to class rooms in the mall.

As a graduate student (who paid for parking) at another institution in the 90s the only parking we had access to was located in a corner lot just next to main campus, everyday I would walk to our department building the equivalent to Rocket Hall to U Hall here at UToledo (and during winters harder than Toledo)....... we have a walking problem, everyone expects a spot right next to building they have class in.

Worth noting that in last decade both total students and total faculty/staff on main campus are -20% in numbers.

UT is largely a commuter school, many with little time between job and class. Walking a mile doesn't even guarantee a quick find of a spot.

Ultimately, proof is in the pudding. Students are having difficulty. It is the university's best interest to mititgate it regardless the cause or they pay with next enrollment.

Considering the number of students UT has lost recently, I'm surprised parking is a problem. BTW, a few years ago, I walked from Rocket Hall to the center of the mall in ten minutes. Decent pace, but not that fast.

(08-31-2021 03:34 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  Considering the number of students UT has lost recently, I'm surprised parking is a problem. BTW, a few years ago, I walked from Rocket Hall to the center of the mall in ten minutes. Decent pace, but not that fast.

The issue might be no more than the general direction students arrive from, filling spots there while others sit empty elsewhere. They university should have that information and if that is correctly the problem, figure a way to help students with the logistics of quickly finding a spot.

Not having a parking garage on campus does feel small-time, now that BearcatMan mentions it. Subtracting without any addition is not a good trend for a University.

(08-31-2021 04:11 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 03:34 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  Considering the number of students UT has lost recently, I'm surprised parking is a problem. BTW, a few years ago, I walked from Rocket Hall to the center of the mall in ten minutes. Decent pace, but not that fast.

The issue might be no more than the general direction students arrive from, filling spots there while others sit empty elsewhere. They university should have that information and if that is correctly the problem, figure a way to help students with the logistics of quickly finding a spot.

How about an app that would show real time empty spots?

(08-31-2021 09:04 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 08:22 AM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(08-30-2021 04:20 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  UT students are making their rounds on social media about lack of parking today. Some (exaggerating or not) mentioned 1.5 hour parking search and missing class entirely. I tend to agree with the folks closer to my age and current students that it is indeed not a walking problem. Ticketing students who park on near by streets makes life rough. When you have 10 or 30 or even 50 minutes between a job, a sport, or class... You dont expect to have to park in engineering (15-20 min walk) when your class is at the field house.

Is there parking? Maybe, but its not conveniently close to class rooms in the mall.

As a graduate student (who paid for parking) at another institution in the 90s the only parking we had access to was located in a corner lot just next to main campus, everyday I would walk to our department building the equivalent to Rocket Hall to U Hall here at UToledo (and during winters harder than Toledo)....... we have a walking problem, everyone expects a spot right next to building they have class in.

Worth noting that in last decade both total students and total faculty/staff on main campus are -20% in numbers.

Thats a hell of a lot different than juniors and seniors showing up 20 minutes prior to class on the first day of school to figure out 1000 spots are gone where they expect to park. And freshman get, what, rec and Rocket Hall lot? This is a commuter school with 8,000 cars finding their way on and off campus a day. Like i mentioned...more than 1 tweet of students driving around for the enirety of their early afternoon class missing it completely.

Plenty of parking in Rocket Hall lot, you can walk from there to far corners on campus in 10-15 minutes. Freshmen have many more options then your list, including Rocket Hall lot. There is simply no way or need to drive around for an hour looking for parking, especially considering no lot on main campus (of which you can find spots) is that long of a walk. I agree losing 100% of parking garages is a problems when the 30% capacity of the replacement surface lots are not still ready. Parking issues and problems on main campus are real but their are options including free street parking in nearby neighborhoods that are 10-15 minute walk to main campus-not ideal but if the alternative is missing classes one needs to be innovative. BTW the same issues are faced by staff and faculty, even though their permits give them access to other lots they largely share parking lots with students-leaving and returning mid day is a problem for them as well.

(08-31-2021 03:34 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  Considering the number of students UT has lost recently, I'm surprised parking is a problem. BTW, a few years ago, I walked from Rocket Hall to the center of the mall in ten minutes. Decent pace, but not that fast.

BINGO

This whole thing smells bad to me. Port Authority involvement, timing so close to the start of school, lack of acceptable parking for Savage Arena, the small time feel with no significant parking facilities on campus, out sourcing to a disinterested third party...
Cant think of another project in my 50+ years of supporting UT that has the total appearance of being a complete mess. Really surprised and disappointed.

(09-01-2021 09:12 AM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 09:04 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 08:22 AM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(08-30-2021 04:20 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  UT students are making their rounds on social media about lack of parking today. Some (exaggerating or not) mentioned 1.5 hour parking search and missing class entirely. I tend to agree with the folks closer to my age and current students that it is indeed not a walking problem. Ticketing students who park on near by streets makes life rough. When you have 10 or 30 or even 50 minutes between a job, a sport, or class... You dont expect to have to park in engineering (15-20 min walk) when your class is at the field house.

Is there parking? Maybe, but its not conveniently close to class rooms in the mall.

As a graduate student (who paid for parking) at another institution in the 90s the only parking we had access to was located in a corner lot just next to main campus, everyday I would walk to our department building the equivalent to Rocket Hall to U Hall here at UToledo (and during winters harder than Toledo)....... we have a walking problem, everyone expects a spot right next to building they have class in.

Worth noting that in last decade both total students and total faculty/staff on main campus are -20% in numbers.

Thats a hell of a lot different than juniors and seniors showing up 20 minutes prior to class on the first day of school to figure out 1000 spots are gone where they expect to park. And freshman get, what, rec and Rocket Hall lot? This is a commuter school with 8,000 cars finding their way on and off campus a day. Like i mentioned...more than 1 tweet of students driving around for the enirety of their early afternoon class missing it completely.

Plenty of parking in Rocket Hall lot, you can walk from there to far corners on campus in 10-15 minutes. Freshmen have many more options then your list, including Rocket Hall lot. There is simply no way or need to drive around for an hour looking for parking, especially considering no lot on main campus (of which you can find spots) is that long of a walk. I agree losing 100% of parking garages is a problems when the 30% capacity of the replacement surface lots are not still ready. Parking issues and problems on main campus are real but their are options including free street parking in nearby neighborhoods that are 10-15 minute walk to main campus-not ideal but if the alternative is missing classes one needs to be innovative. BTW the same issues are faced by staff and faculty, even though their permits give them access to other lots they largely share parking lots with students-leaving and returning mid day is a problem for them as well.

I can speak to your point on Rocket Hall, it has been filled everyday this week in the spots students are allowed to park in, the majority of rocket hall parking, is deemed, “not student parking” and students have and will get ticketed if you decide to park behind barnes and noble, jimmy johns, dominos, etc. all of those there right off of Secor. Students have been filling up Rocket Hall though rest assured, it is one of two spots (the rec center being the other) that many freshman are finding solace in parking.

(09-01-2021 10:04 AM)PrettyGoodRocket Wrote:  

(09-01-2021 09:12 AM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 09:04 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 08:22 AM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(08-30-2021 04:20 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  UT students are making their rounds on social media about lack of parking today. Some (exaggerating or not) mentioned 1.5 hour parking search and missing class entirely. I tend to agree with the folks closer to my age and current students that it is indeed not a walking problem. Ticketing students who park on near by streets makes life rough. When you have 10 or 30 or even 50 minutes between a job, a sport, or class... You dont expect to have to park in engineering (15-20 min walk) when your class is at the field house.

Is there parking? Maybe, but its not conveniently close to class rooms in the mall.

As a graduate student (who paid for parking) at another institution in the 90s the only parking we had access to was located in a corner lot just next to main campus, everyday I would walk to our department building the equivalent to Rocket Hall to U Hall here at UToledo (and during winters harder than Toledo)....... we have a walking problem, everyone expects a spot right next to building they have class in.

Worth noting that in last decade both total students and total faculty/staff on main campus are -20% in numbers.

Thats a hell of a lot different than juniors and seniors showing up 20 minutes prior to class on the first day of school to figure out 1000 spots are gone where they expect to park. And freshman get, what, rec and Rocket Hall lot? This is a commuter school with 8,000 cars finding their way on and off campus a day. Like i mentioned...more than 1 tweet of students driving around for the enirety of their early afternoon class missing it completely.

Plenty of parking in Rocket Hall lot, you can walk from there to far corners on campus in 10-15 minutes. Freshmen have many more options then your list, including Rocket Hall lot. There is simply no way or need to drive around for an hour looking for parking, especially considering no lot on main campus (of which you can find spots) is that long of a walk. I agree losing 100% of parking garages is a problems when the 30% capacity of the replacement surface lots are not still ready. Parking issues and problems on main campus are real but their are options including free street parking in nearby neighborhoods that are 10-15 minute walk to main campus-not ideal but if the alternative is missing classes one needs to be innovative. BTW the same issues are faced by staff and faculty, even though their permits give them access to other lots they largely share parking lots with students-leaving and returning mid day is a problem for them as well.

I can speak to your point on Rocket Hall, it has been filled everyday this week in the spots students are allowed to park in, the majority of rocket hall parking, is deemed, “not student parking” and students have and will get ticketed if you decide to park behind barnes and noble, jimmy johns, dominos, etc. all of those there right off of Secor. Students have been filling up Rocket Hall though rest assured, it is one of two spots (the rec center being the other) that many freshman are finding solace in parking.

All I can say is that I have a UT colleague with basic staff parking pass, which is same access to lots that students have in sections at Rocket Hall, they had no issues going home for lunch on Monday and finding spot upon return

(09-01-2021 10:18 AM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(09-01-2021 10:04 AM)PrettyGoodRocket Wrote:  

(09-01-2021 09:12 AM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 09:04 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 08:22 AM)PaulJ Wrote:  As a graduate student (who paid for parking) at another institution in the 90s the only parking we had access to was located in a corner lot just next to main campus, everyday I would walk to our department building the equivalent to Rocket Hall to U Hall here at UToledo (and during winters harder than Toledo)....... we have a walking problem, everyone expects a spot right next to building they have class in.

Worth noting that in last decade both total students and total faculty/staff on main campus are -20% in numbers.

Thats a hell of a lot different than juniors and seniors showing up 20 minutes prior to class on the first day of school to figure out 1000 spots are gone where they expect to park. And freshman get, what, rec and Rocket Hall lot? This is a commuter school with 8,000 cars finding their way on and off campus a day. Like i mentioned...more than 1 tweet of students driving around for the enirety of their early afternoon class missing it completely.

Plenty of parking in Rocket Hall lot, you can walk from there to far corners on campus in 10-15 minutes. Freshmen have many more options then your list, including Rocket Hall lot. There is simply no way or need to drive around for an hour looking for parking, especially considering no lot on main campus (of which you can find spots) is that long of a walk. I agree losing 100% of parking garages is a problems when the 30% capacity of the replacement surface lots are not still ready. Parking issues and problems on main campus are real but their are options including free street parking in nearby neighborhoods that are 10-15 minute walk to main campus-not ideal but if the alternative is missing classes one needs to be innovative. BTW the same issues are faced by staff and faculty, even though their permits give them access to other lots they largely share parking lots with students-leaving and returning mid day is a problem for them as well.

I can speak to your point on Rocket Hall, it has been filled everyday this week in the spots students are allowed to park in, the majority of rocket hall parking, is deemed, “not student parking” and students have and will get ticketed if you decide to park behind barnes and noble, jimmy johns, dominos, etc. all of those there right off of Secor. Students have been filling up Rocket Hall though rest assured, it is one of two spots (the rec center being the other) that many freshman are finding solace in parking.

All I can say is that I have a UT colleague with basic staff parking pass, which is same access to lots that students have in sections at Rocket Hall, they had no issues going home for lunch on Monday and finding spot upon return

A Lots (Staff-only) are not the struggle at all.

(09-01-2021 10:22 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(09-01-2021 10:18 AM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(09-01-2021 10:04 AM)PrettyGoodRocket Wrote:  

(09-01-2021 09:12 AM)PaulJ Wrote:  

(08-31-2021 09:04 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Thats a hell of a lot different than juniors and seniors showing up 20 minutes prior to class on the first day of school to figure out 1000 spots are gone where they expect to park. And freshman get, what, rec and Rocket Hall lot? This is a commuter school with 8,000 cars finding their way on and off campus a day. Like i mentioned...more than 1 tweet of students driving around for the enirety of their early afternoon class missing it completely.

Plenty of parking in Rocket Hall lot, you can walk from there to far corners on campus in 10-15 minutes. Freshmen have many more options then your list, including Rocket Hall lot. There is simply no way or need to drive around for an hour looking for parking, especially considering no lot on main campus (of which you can find spots) is that long of a walk. I agree losing 100% of parking garages is a problems when the 30% capacity of the replacement surface lots are not still ready. Parking issues and problems on main campus are real but their are options including free street parking in nearby neighborhoods that are 10-15 minute walk to main campus-not ideal but if the alternative is missing classes one needs to be innovative. BTW the same issues are faced by staff and faculty, even though their permits give them access to other lots they largely share parking lots with students-leaving and returning mid day is a problem for them as well.

I can speak to your point on Rocket Hall, it has been filled everyday this week in the spots students are allowed to park in, the majority of rocket hall parking, is deemed, “not student parking” and students have and will get ticketed if you decide to park behind barnes and noble, jimmy johns, dominos, etc. all of those there right off of Secor. Students have been filling up Rocket Hall though rest assured, it is one of two spots (the rec center being the other) that many freshman are finding solace in parking.

All I can say is that I have a UT colleague with basic staff parking pass, which is same access to lots that students have in sections at Rocket Hall, they had no issues going home for lunch on Monday and finding spot upon return

A Lots (Staff-only) are not the struggle at all.

Lot 25 (west side of RH, north of Gateway restricted parking lot) is one of the largest parking lots on campus and includes staff and student parking-that is where my colleague parks, it is best option for available parking on main campus when busy
https://www.utoledo.edu/campus/direction...us-map.pdf