(07-14-2021 09:25 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 04:18 PM)skunk100 Wrote:  Y'all, last year showed that Cal can't coach a horse to water even if he tried. He relies too heavily on luck. Talent alone will most often only get you so far. UK may have many titles and such—but when speaking in terms of the present, those are mere relics from the past. The fact is, at present, Memphis has the better coaching staff.

Quote:Y'all, last year showed that Cal can't coach a horse to water even if he tried. He relies too heavily on luck

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I have no idea wtf you are talking about. Is this a joke? In the last 15 years...

44 NCAA wins
1 National Championship
5 Final Four
5 Elite 8
2 Sweet 16

Cal averages an Elite 8 every year, and in 2020 they were ranked #8 when the season was cancelled. We have fans that have lost their marbles.

Proven that Cal can't coach. Hilarious.

Come on, man...you know it's all just luck.

(07-15-2021 01:54 PM)SigEpMike Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 09:25 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 04:18 PM)skunk100 Wrote:  Y'all, last year showed that Cal can't coach a horse to water even if he tried. He relies too heavily on luck. Talent alone will most often only get you so far. UK may have many titles and such—but when speaking in terms of the present, those are mere relics from the past. The fact is, at present, Memphis has the better coaching staff.

Quote:Y'all, last year showed that Cal can't coach a horse to water even if he tried. He relies too heavily on luck

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I have no idea wtf you are talking about. Is this a joke? In the last 15 years...

44 NCAA wins
1 National Championship
5 Final Four
5 Elite 8
2 Sweet 16

Cal averages an Elite 8 every year, and in 2020 they were ranked #8 when the season was cancelled. We have fans that have lost their marbles.

Proven that Cal can't coach. Hilarious.

Come on, man...you know it's all just luck.

Cant coach is an exaggeration, but I do want to see what he does without a) highly superior athletes who can dominate defensively (doesn't really have that this year) b) a really good off dribble shot creator (if Ty Ty Washington is mediocre). Those two things have always been fallback for him

(07-15-2021 10:45 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(07-15-2021 10:38 AM)SouthernMSTiger Wrote:  

(07-15-2021 08:35 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 09:10 PM)SouthernMSTiger Wrote:  And then there are those in Kentucky that appear to think he is leaning Miami. What’s the reasoning—anything in the wind that indicates any substance to it?

I think Miami hired his HS coach

Well, if he should choose Miami, it’s more about relationships, not about who can best prepare him for the NBA.

Really high-risk high-reward when we send all three of our active coaches to watch his games rather than spreading the eyeballs to evaluate other talent. We will see.

He's going to be a 2021 reclass.
Who else should coaches be recruiting for 2021?
It's actually no risk/high reward - as long as someone's willing to pay for the travel.

Now in Georgia, there is going to be talent all around. So they get to "evaluate" Duren, while also being seen by 2022 players.

(07-15-2021 10:45 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(07-15-2021 10:38 AM)SouthernMSTiger Wrote:  

(07-15-2021 08:35 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 09:10 PM)SouthernMSTiger Wrote:  And then there are those in Kentucky that appear to think he is leaning Miami. What’s the reasoning—anything in the wind that indicates any substance to it?

I think Miami hired his HS coach

Well, if he should choose Miami, it’s more about relationships, not about who can best prepare him for the NBA.

Really high-risk high-reward when we send all three of our active coaches to watch his games rather than spreading the eyeballs to evaluate other talent. We will see.

....ala Green and Hampton

(07-14-2021 04:18 PM)skunk100 Wrote:  Y'all, last year showed that Cal can't coach a horse to water even if he tried. RHe relies too heavily on luck. Talent alone will most often only get you so far. UK may have many titles and such—but when speaking in terms of the present, those are mere relics from the past. The fact is, at present, Memphis has the better coaching staff.

That’s is disproven many times over.

Don’t care for the man but count the wins, count the Tournys, check the NC box, see the paycheck.

As head coach, whatever his coaching style makes him one of the best.

(07-16-2021 06:52 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 04:18 PM)skunk100 Wrote:  Y'all, last year showed that Cal can't coach a horse to water even if he tried. RHe relies too heavily on luck. Talent alone will most often only get you so far. UK may have many titles and such—but when speaking in terms of the present, those are mere relics from the past. The fact is, at present, Memphis has the better coaching staff.

That’s is disproven many times over.

Don’t care for the man but count the wins, count the Tournys, check the NC box, see the paycheck.

As head coach, whatever his coaching style makes him one of the best.

It can be argued about his actual basketball knowledge and ability to teach the game.

But part of being a college coach is attracting talent...Tubby is a better basketball mind than Cal...Which one would any of us choose.

(07-15-2021 03:29 PM)dwash Wrote:  

(07-15-2021 01:54 PM)SigEpMike Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 09:25 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 04:18 PM)skunk100 Wrote:  Y'all, last year showed that Cal can't coach a horse to water even if he tried. He relies too heavily on luck. Talent alone will most often only get you so far. UK may have many titles and such—but when speaking in terms of the present, those are mere relics from the past. The fact is, at present, Memphis has the better coaching staff.

Quote:Y'all, last year showed that Cal can't coach a horse to water even if he tried. He relies too heavily on luck

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I have no idea wtf you are talking about. Is this a joke? In the last 15 years...

44 NCAA wins
1 National Championship
5 Final Four
5 Elite 8
2 Sweet 16

Cal averages an Elite 8 every year, and in 2020 they were ranked #8 when the season was cancelled. We have fans that have lost their marbles.

Proven that Cal can't coach. Hilarious.

Come on, man...you know it's all just luck.

Cant coach is an exaggeration, but I do want to see what he does without a) highly superior athletes who can dominate defensively (doesn't really have that this year) b) a really good off dribble shot creator (if Ty Ty Washington is mediocre). Those two things have always been fallback for him

It isn't an exaggeration, it is completely false.

Every good coach has the types of players you are mentioning. We saw that when he was at UMass, and we saw that with our 2007 team, where he did a great job with little or no star power. I would like to see others try and meld a revolving door of freshmen and sophmores into 1 National Championship, 5 Final Fours, 3 Elite 8's and 2 Sweet 16's in 16 years. Good luck with that.

(07-15-2021 06:11 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(07-15-2021 10:45 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(07-15-2021 10:38 AM)SouthernMSTiger Wrote:  

(07-15-2021 08:35 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 09:10 PM)SouthernMSTiger Wrote:  And then there are those in Kentucky that appear to think he is leaning Miami. What’s the reasoning—anything in the wind that indicates any substance to it?

I think Miami hired his HS coach

Well, if he should choose Miami, it’s more about relationships, not about who can best prepare him for the NBA.

Really high-risk high-reward when we send all three of our active coaches to watch his games rather than spreading the eyeballs to evaluate other talent. We will see.

....ala Green and Hampton

Different situations.
People say we wasted time on Green and Hampton instead of going after guys we could get IN THE SAME CLASS.
There are no other players available that will help us for this coming year - which is what Duren will be shortly when he reclassifies.
No risk / high reward

(07-16-2021 10:04 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-15-2021 03:29 PM)dwash Wrote:  

(07-15-2021 01:54 PM)SigEpMike Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 09:25 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 04:18 PM)skunk100 Wrote:  Y'all, last year showed that Cal can't coach a horse to water even if he tried. He relies too heavily on luck. Talent alone will most often only get you so far. UK may have many titles and such—but when speaking in terms of the present, those are mere relics from the past. The fact is, at present, Memphis has the better coaching staff.

Quote:Y'all, last year showed that Cal can't coach a horse to water even if he tried. He relies too heavily on luck

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I have no idea wtf you are talking about. Is this a joke? In the last 15 years...

44 NCAA wins
1 National Championship
5 Final Four
5 Elite 8
2 Sweet 16

Cal averages an Elite 8 every year, and in 2020 they were ranked #8 when the season was cancelled. We have fans that have lost their marbles.

Proven that Cal can't coach. Hilarious.

Come on, man...you know it's all just luck.

Cant coach is an exaggeration, but I do want to see what he does without a) highly superior athletes who can dominate defensively (doesn't really have that this year) b) a really good off dribble shot creator (if Ty Ty Washington is mediocre). Those two things have always been fallback for him

It isn't an exaggeration, it is completely false.

Every good coach has the types of players you are mentioning. We saw that when he was at UMass, and we saw that with our 2007 team, where he did a great job with little or no star power. I would like to see others try and meld a revolving door of freshmen and sophmores into 1 National Championship, 5 Final Fours, 3 Elite 8's and 2 Sweet 16's in 16 years. Good luck with that.

His willingness to change the offense in 2005 based on maximizing his personnel showed me quite a bit about his ability to coach. His game preparation and game plans were always excellent (maybe that's Robic, but Cal has to be given a lot of credit). in-game adjustments and situations are the only weakness.

I thought this was a thread about Jalen Duran. My bad, I didn't realize it was about Calipari.

(07-16-2021 08:09 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  I thought this was a thread about Jalen Duran. My bad, I didn't realize it was about Calipari.

No problem. Actually it was about neither of the above you mentioned.

(07-14-2021 04:18 PM)skunk100 Wrote:  Y'all, last year showed that Cal can't coach a horse to water even if he tried. He relies too heavily on luck. Talent alone will most often only get you so far. UK may have many titles and such—but when speaking in terms of the present, those are mere relics from the past. The fact is, at present, Memphis has the better coaching staff.

I hate Calipari, but to say he can’t coach and it’s all luck is fantasy. Has taken 3 programs to final fours and has more players in the NBA than any coach in history maybe. What Cal lacks in bench coaching ability, he makes up for in recruiting, program building, program promoting and media moxie.

I coach a small 1A private school where we compete against large 3A and 5A schools. I was plucked from the parent ranks. I get circles coached around me nearly every game. Our first season we went 0-20. 2nd season we went 13-8, and might would have won around 18 games if not for Covid cancellation. We went to the State Tournament semifinal and we are returning every player but 1. And adding 2 transfers from Dallas and a 7 kids from our Junior High team that will all be difference makers and who have all bought into our 3 year long now skills program. Last season I had a 7 man rotation. This season I’ll have too much talent maybe.

Am I the best bench coach? No. But I guarantee no private school coach will out work me during the summer. I hit the playgrounds and let kids and parents know about our school. I get to know local sports writers, radio personalities and get as many people talking about us as possible. I find the players riding the bench at large public schools and let them know they can be a difference maker on the private school level. My first season we had 11 players total of all ages. This season we are approaching 40.

As a result, Oral Robert’s University has been watching our program. A former Baylor assistant who lives near me is pushing us as well.

I say all of this to make the point, coaching is one aspect of building a program. The coaches that just wanna coach, Tubby Smith for example. Are the ones who struggle at high level high visibility schools. Calipari thrives in it. He’s a program builder. One off season will not define his career.

(07-17-2021 07:51 AM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  

(07-14-2021 04:18 PM)skunk100 Wrote:  Y'all, last year showed that Cal can't coach a horse to water even if he tried. He relies too heavily on luck. Talent alone will most often only get you so far. UK may have many titles and such—but when speaking in terms of the present, those are mere relics from the past. The fact is, at present, Memphis has the better coaching staff.

I hate Calipari, but to say he can’t coach and it’s all luck is fantasy. Has taken 3 programs to final fours and has more players in the NBA than any coach in history maybe. What Cal lacks in bench coaching ability, he makes up for in recruiting, program building, program promoting and media moxie.

I coach a small 1A private school where we compete against large 3A and 5A schools. I was plucked from the parent ranks. I get circles coached around me nearly every game. Our first season we went 0-20. 2nd season we went 13-8, and might would have won around 18 games if not for Covid cancellation. We went to the State Tournament semifinal and we are returning every player but 1. And adding 2 transfers from Dallas and a 7 kids from our Junior High team that will all be difference makers and who have all bought into our 3 year long now skills program. Last season I had a 7 man rotation. This season I’ll have too much talent maybe.

Am I the best bench coach? No. But I guarantee no private school coach will out work me during the summer. I hit the playgrounds and let kids and parents know about our school. I get to know local sports writers, radio personalities and get as many people talking about us as possible. I find the players riding the bench at large public schools and let them know they can be a difference maker on the private school level. My first season we had 11 players total of all ages. This season we are approaching 40.

As a result, Oral Robert’s University has been watching our program. A former Baylor assistant who lives near me is pushing us as well.

I say all of this to make the point, coaching is one aspect of building a program. The coaches that just wanna coach, Tubby Smith for example. Are the ones who struggle at high level high visibility schools. Calipari thrives in it. He’s a program builder. One off season will not define his career.

It's funny; I saw it so many times in the restaurant business. Wealthy people who want to stay in the background and throw money into a restaurant or bar, so they will have a place to hang out with their friends. Once the money is in, it's a different story. They start putting crazy hours into something that will not even approach 10% of the ROI of their other ventures.

There you were minding your own business, watching your kid play basketball, and then the next minute you are putting crazy hours into it. Good for you. It must be rewarding to see all of the good you are doing for those kids.

So Miami hired Jalen Duren's High School coach?

(07-17-2021 11:23 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  So Miami hired Jalen Duren's High School coach?

Andrew Slater tweet

https://mobile.twitter.com/Andrew__Slate...6715285516

(07-17-2021 11:23 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  So Miami hired Jalen Duren's High School coach?

Old news

Jalen Duren has a nice game with a nose for the ball. He can coast in HS but can be a real force down low when he wants. See for yourself. Number 0 on the white team is Bronny James.

https://www.twitch.tv/eybl3

been watching this whole game and he's done zero.

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(07-17-2021 02:41 PM)rolexjames Wrote:  Jalen Duren has a nice game with a nose for the ball. He can coast in HS but can be a real force down low when he wants. See for yourself. Number 0 on the white team is Bronny James.

https://www.twitch.tv/eybl3

He brings that wing span we are going to miss from DJ and Moussa.