(06-04-2021 06:27 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  I wonder if new WAC members will realign their sports offerings to become more competitive in the all sports trophy chase, or if the WAC will rethink the sports it sponsors in light of NCAA sports that are rapidly growing?

I am still curious if we see beach volleyball and/or bowling in the coming years.

It sounds like the Southland Bowling League (without a single Southland member in it - SFA & SHSU were founding members) will continue at least through 21-22.

The WAC has ACU, SFA, Grand Canyon in beach volleyball. I do suspect Sam Houston will add it at some point.

(06-04-2021 01:50 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  

(06-04-2021 06:27 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  I wonder if new WAC members will realign their sports offerings to become more competitive in the all sports trophy chase, or if the WAC will rethink the sports it sponsors in light of NCAA sports that are rapidly growing?

I am still curious if we see beach volleyball and/or bowling in the coming years.

It sounds like the Southland Bowling League (without a single Southland member in it - SFA & SHSU were founding members) will continue at least through 21-22.

The WAC has ACU, SFA, Grand Canyon in beach volleyball. I do suspect Sam Houston will add it at some point.

Can count NMSU out of adding Beach Volleyball. UNM dumped theirs a few years ago. If they don't have one, NMSU can't have one.

(06-04-2021 02:12 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  Can count NMSU out of adding Beach Volleyball. UNM dumped theirs a few years ago. If they don't have one, NMSU can't have one.

Independents out in the west include Boise State and San Jose State.

The three current WAC schools (GCU, ACU & SFA). Add in Boise State, San Jose State and get Sam Houston to start the sport... boom, six schools!

See, solving the world's problems...

(06-04-2021 02:12 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(06-04-2021 01:50 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  

(06-04-2021 06:27 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  I wonder if new WAC members will realign their sports offerings to become more competitive in the all sports trophy chase, or if the WAC will rethink the sports it sponsors in light of NCAA sports that are rapidly growing?

I am still curious if we see beach volleyball and/or bowling in the coming years.

It sounds like the Southland Bowling League (without a single Southland member in it - SFA & SHSU were founding members) will continue at least through 21-22.

The WAC has ACU, SFA, Grand Canyon in beach volleyball. I do suspect Sam Houston will add it at some point.

Can count NMSU out of adding Beach Volleyball. UNM dumped theirs a few years ago. If they don't have one, NMSU can't have one.

Without a conference based qualification for the national tournament, there is no purpose in attempting to add members from all over to form a conference anyway. We already are meeting all minimums. We don't need any more sports, except probably mens track.

(06-04-2021 11:08 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(06-04-2021 02:12 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(06-04-2021 01:50 PM)TexasTerror Wrote:  

(06-04-2021 06:27 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  I wonder if new WAC members will realign their sports offerings to become more competitive in the all sports trophy chase, or if the WAC will rethink the sports it sponsors in light of NCAA sports that are rapidly growing?

I am still curious if we see beach volleyball and/or bowling in the coming years.

It sounds like the Southland Bowling League (without a single Southland member in it - SFA & SHSU were founding members) will continue at least through 21-22.

The WAC has ACU, SFA, Grand Canyon in beach volleyball. I do suspect Sam Houston will add it at some point.

Can count NMSU out of adding Beach Volleyball. UNM dumped theirs a few years ago. If they don't have one, NMSU can't have one.

Without a conference based qualification for the national tournament, there is no purpose in attempting to add members from all over to form a conference anyway. We already are meeting all minimums. We don't need any more sports, except probably mens track.

Adding men’s track potentially raises Title IX issues as schools will need to continue to balance scholarship opportunities for men and women. Few programs could add 12.6 men’s scholarships without creating a compliance issue. Maybe men’s track and beach volleyball.

Early Commissioners Cup standings are in with only X-country and soccer results counted so far.

Current Standings
GCU = 17
UVU = 15.5
CBU = 14.5
SU = 8.5
SFA = 8
Lamar = 7.5
ACU = 6
DSU = 6
NMSU = 5
SHSU = 4
CSU = 4
UTRGV = 4
Tarleton = 2

(11-18-2021 12:23 PM)DZ1 Wrote:  Early Commissioners Cup standings are in with only X-country and soccer results counted so far.

Current Standings
GCU = 17
UVU = 15.5
CBU = 14.5
SU = 8.5
SFA = 8
Lamar = 7.5
ACU = 6
DSU = 6
NMSU = 5
SHSU = 4
CSU = 4
UTRGV = 4
Tarleton = 2

Updated Commissioner Cup Standings after the completion of Indoor T&F (M&W) plus Swimming & Diving (M&W).

GCU = 38.5
SFA = 24
SHSU = 21
CBU = 20.5
UVU = 20.5
ACU = 17
NMSU = 16
Lamar = 14
Seattle = 13.5
UTRGV = 10
DSU = 9.5
CSU = 8.5
Tarleton = 8

(02-28-2022 07:41 PM)DZ1 Wrote:  

(11-18-2021 12:23 PM)DZ1 Wrote:  Early Commissioners Cup standings are in with only X-country and soccer results counted so far.

Current Standings
GCU = 17
UVU = 15.5
CBU = 14.5
SU = 8.5
SFA = 8
Lamar = 7.5
ACU = 6
DSU = 6
NMSU = 5
SHSU = 4
CSU = 4
UTRGV = 4
Tarleton = 2

Updated Commissioner Cup Standings after the completion of Indoor T&F (M&W) plus Swimming & Diving (M&W).

GCU = 38.5
SFA = 24
SHSU = 21
CBU = 20.5
UVU = 20.5
ACU = 17
NMSU = 16
Lamar = 14
Seattle = 13.5
UTRGV = 10
DSU = 9.5
CSU = 8.5
Tarleton = 8

Updated standings after adding basketball (M & W). SFA is making a push for the top spot.

GCU = 46
SFA = 36
CBU = 25.5
SHSU = 25
UVU = 24.5
NMSU = 23
ACU = 19.5
Seattle = 19.5
Lamar = 16
UTRGV = 12
DSU = 11.5
CSU = 10.5
Tarleton = 10

Good lord, is Tarleton is still behind Chicago State lol. I didn’t think I’d EVER see anyone rank below Chicago State overall.

Updated Standings after adding Tennis (M & W) plus Women's Golf:

GCU = 57.5
SFA = 39.5
NMSU = 38.0
SHSU = 31
ACU = 26.5
CBU = 26.5
Seattle = 25.5
UVU = 25.5
Lamar = 24
UTRGV = 18.5
Tarleton = 16.5
DSU = 13.5
CSU = 13.5

GCU is very strong in the remaining 5 sports [Men's Golf; Softball, Baseball, Outdoor Track (M & W)] so it looks like they will win their 4th Commissioner's Cub in the last five years.

(04-27-2022 11:13 AM)DZ1 Wrote:  Updated Standings after adding Tennis (M & W) plus Women's Golf:

GCU = 57.5
SFA = 39.5
NMSU = 38.0
SHSU = 31
ACU = 26.5
CBU = 26.5
Seattle = 25.5
UVU = 25.5
Lamar = 24
UTRGV = 18.5
Tarleton = 16.5
DSU = 13.5
CSU = 13.5

GCU is very strong in the remaining 5 sports [Men's Golf; Softball, Baseball, Outdoor Track (M & W)] so it looks like they will win their 4th Commissioner's Cub in the last five years.

The Commissioner Cup stopped mattering when NMSU stopped winning it every year. I thought everybody knew that.

(04-27-2022 02:18 PM)gleadley Wrote:  

(04-27-2022 11:13 AM)DZ1 Wrote:  Updated Standings after adding Tennis (M & W) plus Women's Golf:

GCU = 57.5
SFA = 39.5
NMSU = 38.0
SHSU = 31
ACU = 26.5
CBU = 26.5
Seattle = 25.5
UVU = 25.5
Lamar = 24
UTRGV = 18.5
Tarleton = 16.5
DSU = 13.5
CSU = 13.5

GCU is very strong in the remaining 5 sports [Men's Golf; Softball, Baseball, Outdoor Track (M & W)] so it looks like they will win their 4th Commissioner's Cub in the last five years.

The Commissioner Cup stopped mattering when NMSU stopped winning it every year. I thought everybody knew that.

I did notice that as well.

(04-27-2022 02:28 PM)DZ1 Wrote:  

(04-27-2022 02:18 PM)gleadley Wrote:  

(04-27-2022 11:13 AM)DZ1 Wrote:  Updated Standings after adding Tennis (M & W) plus Women's Golf:

GCU = 57.5
SFA = 39.5
NMSU = 38.0
SHSU = 31
ACU = 26.5
CBU = 26.5
Seattle = 25.5
UVU = 25.5
Lamar = 24
UTRGV = 18.5
Tarleton = 16.5
DSU = 13.5
CSU = 13.5

GCU is very strong in the remaining 5 sports [Men's Golf; Softball, Baseball, Outdoor Track (M & W)] so it looks like they will win their 4th Commissioner's Cub in the last five years.

The Commissioner Cup stopped mattering when NMSU stopped winning it every year. I thought everybody knew that.

I did notice that as well.

Not true but GCU has an unfair advantage. NMSU could come in first in just about every sport we sponsor and still not beat GCU. The WAC needs to tweak the Commissioner Cup.

(04-27-2022 02:31 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(04-27-2022 02:28 PM)DZ1 Wrote:  

(04-27-2022 02:18 PM)gleadley Wrote:  

(04-27-2022 11:13 AM)DZ1 Wrote:  Updated Standings after adding Tennis (M & W) plus Women's Golf:

GCU = 57.5
SFA = 39.5
NMSU = 38.0
SHSU = 31
ACU = 26.5
CBU = 26.5
Seattle = 25.5
UVU = 25.5
Lamar = 24
UTRGV = 18.5
Tarleton = 16.5
DSU = 13.5
CSU = 13.5

GCU is very strong in the remaining 5 sports [Men's Golf; Softball, Baseball, Outdoor Track (M & W)] so it looks like they will win their 4th Commissioner's Cub in the last five years.

The Commissioner Cup stopped mattering when NMSU stopped winning it every year. I thought everybody knew that.

I did notice that as well.

Not true but GCU has an unfair advantage. NMSU could come in first in just about every sport we sponsor and still not beat GCU. The WAC needs to tweak the Commissioner Cup.

The WAC should keep it the way it is. If other school want to sponsor more WAC sports to win it then go for it.

It mattered to NMSU when they had a realistic chance to win the Commissioner's Cup. But NMSU fails to participate in multiple (5) WAC sponsored sports, much like most of its WAC peers. However, GCU competes in all but one sport sponsored by the WAC... FCS football. GCU (and Seattle) accumulate points from every sport which gives them a distinct advantage to win the Commissioner's Cup each year. So, yes... the Commissioner's Cup ceased to matter to Aggie fans.

GCU obviously has the "money" to compete in every Olympic sport the WAC sponsors and don't have to bother with the gender equity issues that FCS football causes with 63 men's scholarships and balancing men's and women's sports.

But Hey! You're winning the Commissioner's Cup. Yippee!

(04-27-2022 02:42 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  It mattered to NMSU when they had a realistic chance to win the Commissioner's Cup. But NMSU fails to participate in multiple (5) WAC sponsored sports, much like most of its WAC peers. However, GCU competes in all but one sport sponsored by the WAC... FCS football. GCU (and Seattle) accumulate points from every sport which gives them a distinct advantage to win the Commissioner's Cup each year. So, yes... the Commissioner's Cup ceased to matter to Aggie fans.

GCU obviously has the "money" to compete in every Olympic sport the WAC sponsors and don't have to bother with the gender equity issues that FCS football causes with 63 men's scholarships and balancing men's and women's sports.

But Hey! You're winning the Commissioner's Cup. Yippee!

Don't you guys get tired of playing the "money" card when it comes to GCU? In sports sponsored by both schools, GCU has a 43.5 to 38 point edge so far this school year. Last last school year, GCU finished with a 68 to 57 point edge in sports sponsored by both schools. Shame on GCU for not blowing up well-rounded and overall successful athletics program just for the chance to have a below-average football team who's only function is to collect losses and paychecks for the school. What are they thinking?

(04-27-2022 03:31 PM)gleadley Wrote:  

(04-27-2022 02:42 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  It mattered to NMSU when they had a realistic chance to win the Commissioner's Cup. But NMSU fails to participate in multiple (5) WAC sponsored sports, much like most of its WAC peers. However, GCU competes in all but one sport sponsored by the WAC... FCS football. GCU (and Seattle) accumulate points from every sport which gives them a distinct advantage to win the Commissioner's Cup each year. So, yes... the Commissioner's Cup ceased to matter to Aggie fans.

GCU obviously has the "money" to compete in every Olympic sport the WAC sponsors and don't have to bother with the gender equity issues that FCS football causes with 63 men's scholarships and balancing men's and women's sports.

But Hey! You're winning the Commissioner's Cup. Yippee!

Don't you guys get tired of playing the "money" card when it comes to GCU? In sports sponsored by both schools, GCU has a 43.5 to 38 point edge so far this school year. Last last school year, GCU finished with a 68 to 57 point edge in sports sponsored by both schools. Shame on GCU for not blowing up well-rounded and overall successful athletics program just for the chance to have a below-average football team who's only function is to collect losses and paychecks for the school. What are they thinking?

When GCU shows how much they pay their coach's. BTW, how's it going becoming top 25 in all sports sponsored?

Quote:"We're shooting for the stars," said Athletic Director Mike Vaught, who came to GCU in the fall with Division I experience, helping Southern Methodist University rise from the football ashes. "That's the way I've always been. Our vision for the program is exactly what I established on Day 1, to be top 25 in everything we do."

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/c.../21919093/

(04-27-2022 02:35 PM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(04-27-2022 02:31 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  

(04-27-2022 02:28 PM)DZ1 Wrote:  

(04-27-2022 02:18 PM)gleadley Wrote:  

(04-27-2022 11:13 AM)DZ1 Wrote:  Updated Standings after adding Tennis (M & W) plus Women's Golf:

GCU = 57.5
SFA = 39.5
NMSU = 38.0
SHSU = 31
ACU = 26.5
CBU = 26.5
Seattle = 25.5
UVU = 25.5
Lamar = 24
UTRGV = 18.5
Tarleton = 16.5
DSU = 13.5
CSU = 13.5

GCU is very strong in the remaining 5 sports [Men's Golf; Softball, Baseball, Outdoor Track (M & W)] so it looks like they will win their 4th Commissioner's Cub in the last five years.

The Commissioner Cup stopped mattering when NMSU stopped winning it every year. I thought everybody knew that.

I did notice that as well.

Not true but GCU has an unfair advantage. NMSU could come in first in just about every sport we sponsor and still not beat GCU. The WAC needs to tweak the Commissioner Cup.

The WAC should keep it the way it is. If other school want to sponsor more WAC sports to win it then go for it.

Do you honestly believe that? I mean, it's you prerogative. Don't you think there is a way to make things equitable for all WAC schools? I think there are several ways.

(04-27-2022 03:31 PM)gleadley Wrote:  

(04-27-2022 02:42 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  It mattered to NMSU when they had a realistic chance to win the Commissioner's Cup. But NMSU fails to participate in multiple (5) WAC sponsored sports, much like most of its WAC peers. However, GCU competes in all but one sport sponsored by the WAC... FCS football. GCU (and Seattle) accumulate points from every sport which gives them a distinct advantage to win the Commissioner's Cup each year. So, yes... the Commissioner's Cup ceased to matter to Aggie fans.

GCU obviously has the "money" to compete in every Olympic sport the WAC sponsors and don't have to bother with the gender equity issues that FCS football causes with 63 men's scholarships and balancing men's and women's sports.

But Hey! You're winning the Commissioner's Cup. Yippee!

Don't you guys get tired of playing the "money" card when it comes to GCU? In sports sponsored by both schools, GCU has a 43.5 to 38 point edge so far this school year. Last last school year, GCU finished with a 68 to 57 point edge in sports sponsored by both schools. Shame on GCU for not blowing up well-rounded and overall successful athletics program just for the chance to have a below-average football team who's only function is to collect losses and paychecks for the school. What are they thinking?

43.5-38 and 68-57 means NMSU had a chance if there were a level playing field. Who is saying for GCU to blow up programs or add football? I think there are several ways to tweak the Cup to try and level the playing field. What's wrong with that notion?

(04-27-2022 03:36 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(04-27-2022 03:31 PM)gleadley Wrote:  

(04-27-2022 02:42 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  It mattered to NMSU when they had a realistic chance to win the Commissioner's Cup. But NMSU fails to participate in multiple (5) WAC sponsored sports, much like most of its WAC peers. However, GCU competes in all but one sport sponsored by the WAC... FCS football. GCU (and Seattle) accumulate points from every sport which gives them a distinct advantage to win the Commissioner's Cup each year. So, yes... the Commissioner's Cup ceased to matter to Aggie fans.

GCU obviously has the "money" to compete in every Olympic sport the WAC sponsors and don't have to bother with the gender equity issues that FCS football causes with 63 men's scholarships and balancing men's and women's sports.

But Hey! You're winning the Commissioner's Cup. Yippee!

Don't you guys get tired of playing the "money" card when it comes to GCU? In sports sponsored by both schools, GCU has a 43.5 to 38 point edge so far this school year. Last last school year, GCU finished with a 68 to 57 point edge in sports sponsored by both schools. Shame on GCU for not blowing up well-rounded and overall successful athletics program just for the chance to have a below-average football team who's only function is to collect losses and paychecks for the school. What are they thinking?

When GCU shows how much they pay their coach's. BTW, how's it going becoming top 25 in all sports sponsored?

Quote:"We're shooting for the stars," said Athletic Director Mike Vaught, who came to GCU in the fall with Division I experience, helping Southern Methodist University rise from the football ashes. "That's the way I've always been. Our vision for the program is exactly what I established on Day 1, to be top 25 in everything we do."

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/c.../21919093/

Oh, snap. GCU Athletics busted for having aspirational standards for its programs.