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Would like to know more as to why he would not be in a position. Hard to imagine Gaetz would make something like this up...unless he's about to be ROYALLY screwed. Interesting that this tweet also mentions girls in the plural.


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(03-31-2021 09:06 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Would like to know more as to why he would not be in a position. Hard to imagine Gaetz would make something like this up...unless he's about to be ROYALLY screwed. Interesting that this tweet also mentions girls in the plural.



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Same old stupid shite. Where is the creepy porn lawyer when you need him.

Fricking Bannana Republic shite.
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Matt Gaetz under investigation by DOJ?
When the same yahoos who tried to destroy a SCOTUS nominees life are involved, i give pause to any information until true facts are known.

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(03-31-2021 09:06 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Would like to know more as to why he would not be in a position. Hard to imagine Gaetz would make something like this up...unless he's about to be ROYALLY screwed. Interesting that this tweet also mentions girls in the plural.



This is all a part of a conspiracy by Hillary & Obama to destroy Gaetz ability to run for POTUS. Sydney Powell will lay it all out later this week. Stay tuned!
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(03-31-2021 09:25 AM)maximus Wrote:  When the same yahoos who tried to destroy a SCOTUS nominees life are involved, i give pause to any information until true facts are known.

When did the Barr DOJ do that?
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(03-31-2021 10:20 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 09:25 AM)maximus Wrote:  When the same yahoos who tried to destroy a SCOTUS nominees life are involved, i give pause to any information until true facts are known.

When did the Barr DOJ do that?

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(03-31-2021 10:37 AM)green Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 10:20 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 09:25 AM)maximus Wrote:  When the same yahoos who tried to destroy a SCOTUS nominees life are involved, i give pause to any information until true facts are known.

When did the Barr DOJ do that?

doj staffed w/ career prosecutors ...

PERMANENT BUREAUCRACY

Again, when did any Barr DOJ staffers try to destroy a SCOTUS nominee?
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Gaetz was the only person to vote against a Human Trafficking bill...

https://www.orlandoweekly.com/Blogs/arch...cking-bill
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(03-31-2021 10:20 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 09:25 AM)maximus Wrote:  When the same yahoos who tried to destroy a SCOTUS nominees life are involved, i give pause to any information until true facts are known.

When did the Barr DOJ do that?
Where did I mention anything about Barr?

BTW, if the facts come out he did this he should be thrown in prison.

I will also say, its known that Clinton flew with Epstein and was on his island with underage girls, where is that investigation?

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(03-31-2021 11:01 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  Gaetz was the only person to vote against a Human Trafficking bill...

https://www.orlandoweekly.com/Blogs/arch...cking-bill

There was about 10 anti trafficking bills being passed around in 2017. Your article references one about commercial vehicles. No opposition to Abolish Human Trafficking Act of 2017 which was signed into law by Trump incorporated language from 5 other bills.
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(03-31-2021 11:18 AM)maximus Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 10:20 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 09:25 AM)maximus Wrote:  When the same yahoos who tried to destroy a SCOTUS nominees life are involved, i give pause to any information until true facts are known.

When did the Barr DOJ do that?
Where did I mention anything about Barr?

BTW, if the facts come out he did this he should be thrown in prison.

I will also say, its known that Clinton flew with Epstein and was on his island with underage girls, where is that investigation?

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You said "the same yahoos". This Gaetz investigation was started months ago by the trump DOJ under Barr.

If you want to cover Clinton...go find another thread.

Meanwhile, Maxwell claimed in her 2016 deposition that Bill Clinton never visited the island.
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Quote:Last night, amidst a slew of far more important stories, The New York Times sought to change the narrative from the disaster at the border by leaking about a supposed investigation involving Rep. Matt Gaetz. The report was based on anonymous sources giving very vague information about what might or might not be going on.

RedState covered this initially last night, and if Gaetz actually did something wrong, he should be held accountable.

Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) has been the subject of an inquiry by the US Department of Justice into whether he had a sexual relationship with a 17-year-old girl and paid for her to travel with him. Three people who had been briefed on the matter told the New York Times that investigators are examining whether Gaetz violated federal sex trafficking laws, the people said.

For his part, Gaetz denies the claims. He went on Tucker Carlson’s show last night and named a person he alleges is trying to extort him. Later, RedState confirmed that Gaetz was telling the truth about his father wearing a wire for the FBI to investigate the matter. Where that leaves us is anyone’s guess. Gaetz is certainly a character, and his defense is a bit convoluted, but the fact that this was leaked via “three people briefed” is yet another black-eye for the FBI.

Really, it should bother everyone, no matter their feelings on Gaetz, that the FBI can just leak something like this, to attack someone in such a blatantly political way. When you are facing an anonymous allegation, you can’t respond to it in any effective manner. Just last night, the reporter behind the Times story appeared on Rachel Maddow’s show and countered Gaetz’s claim about the man he named, yet she did so offering no proof whatsoever. These games are rigged, and you aren’t supposed to be able to defend yourself.

Notice how tightly sewn up the FBI has been about the current Hunter Biden investigation and the myriad of other past transgressions by the president’s son. Their lips only seem to get loose when a Republican is in the cross-hairs, and that should bother everyone. It’s corruption, and it deserves the scorn it receives.

Further, this makes the FBI look really stupid. You’re telling me that the FBI needs a multi-year investigation to prove whether Gaetz traveled with a 17-year-old? Shouldn’t that be readily apparent or quickly disproven given the simplicity of the evidence involved?



If the FBI is not going to charge Gaetz for anything, and they should know by now whether he did anything wrong, then they should come out publicly and slap this report down. By letting it hang in the air, it makes them look like they are part of the political play here, and perhaps they are. It also makes them look incompetent, and again, perhaps they are.

There need to be major reforms within the FBI and DOJ in regards to securing information about investigations. This constant stream of anti-Republican leaking to outlets like the Times and The Washington Post is gross and wrong. But you aren’t going to get those reforms with the current leadership so expect this kind of thing to continue and for it to always go in one direction.

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(03-31-2021 11:41 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 11:18 AM)maximus Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 10:20 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 09:25 AM)maximus Wrote:  When the same yahoos who tried to destroy a SCOTUS nominees life are involved, i give pause to any information until true facts are known.

When did the Barr DOJ do that?
Where did I mention anything about Barr?

BTW, if the facts come out he did this he should be thrown in prison.

I will also say, its known that Clinton flew with Epstein and was on his island with underage girls, where is that investigation?

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If you want to cover Clinton...go find another thread.

I agree. We need a thread on people who have legitimate evidence of child trafficking and underage sex, and we'll include Clinton in that one. (As well as Ghislane, who was just indicted)

No need to lump people who arent in the same boat in the same thread.
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(03-31-2021 11:57 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 11:41 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 11:18 AM)maximus Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 10:20 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 09:25 AM)maximus Wrote:  When the same yahoos who tried to destroy a SCOTUS nominees life are involved, i give pause to any information until true facts are known.

When did the Barr DOJ do that?
Where did I mention anything about Barr?

BTW, if the facts come out he did this he should be thrown in prison.

I will also say, its known that Clinton flew with Epstein and was on his island with underage girls, where is that investigation?

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If you want to cover Clinton...go find another thread.

I agree. We need a thread on people who have legitimate evidence of child trafficking and underage sex, and we'll include Clinton in that one. (As well as Ghislane, who was just indicted)

No need to lump people who arent in the same boat in the same thread.

Helk that dork swalwell banged a CCP spy and these cucks think its cool.

Deep state doing work on Gaetz. That's all this is.
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An investigation of a sitting Congressman for child trafficking would absolutely be something the Attorney General (Bill Barr) would be involved in.
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Quote:On Tuesday night, The New York Times alleged that Rep. Matt Gaetz (R–Fla.) is "under investigation over possible sex trafficking" of a minor. Gaetz has denied the allegations and spun some accusations of his own, involving a former federal prosecutor attempting to extort his family.

According to "three people briefed on the matter," Gaetz "is being investigated by the Justice Department over whether he had a sexual relationship with a 17-year-old and paid for her to travel with him," the Times reported. "Investigators are examining whether Mr. Gaetz violated federal sex trafficking laws, the people said."

The Times doesn't go into any more specifics about Gaetz's alleged relationship or how the activity described constitutes sex trafficking. But on Fox News last night, Gaetz denied traveling with a 17-year-old ("people can look at my travel records and see that that is verifiably not the case," he told Tucker Carlson) or having a relationship with a 17-year-old ("that's totally false," Gaetz said).

Gaetz went on to say that he was being extorted by people demanding $25 million from his dad "in exchange for making horrible sex trafficking allegations against me go away."

For more than a decade, sex trafficking has occupied a central place in modern crime panic and fears for child safety. To many, it conjures images of abduction, smuggling across borders, confinement, and physical violence. As a legal matter, it needn't actually involve any of these things. No matter which version we go by, however, it's hard to see how the conduct alleged in this case—while morally suspect and quite possibly a violation of some criminal laws—qualifies.

The federal prohibition on sex trafficking (18 U.S. Code § 1591) specifically relates to commercial sex—a.k.a. prostitution—involving force, fraud, or coercion and/or people under age 18. Passed in 2000 and expanded every few years since, it implicates anyone who "recruits, entices, harbors, transports, provides, obtains, advertises, maintains, patronizes, or solicits by any means a person" knowing that force, threats of force, fraud, or coercion "will be used to cause the person to engage in a commercial sex act, or that the person has not attained the age of 18 years and will be caused to engage in a commercial sex act." Commercial sex act is defined under federal law as "any sex act, on account of which anything of value is given to or received by any person."

Some have argued that if Gaetz paid for someone he was having sex with to travel with him, this constitutes commercial sex. But the key thing when it comes to "commercial sex acts"—whether we're talking about activity between consenting adults or activity that would qualify as criminal sex trafficking—is that any payment must be in exchange for sex. The payment needn't be a direct monetary exchange, but it must be quid pro quo.

If two adults go on a trip together, one of them pays for the plane tickets and hotel room, and the pair winds up having sex, that is not considered commercial sex. Nor is it commercial sex if someone buys a date dinner or some sort of gift and later that night the pair hooks up. And, obviously, if an adult pays for a 17-year-old to travel with them and no sexual activity takes place, that is not commercial sex, either.

But what about the activity alleged here: an adult paying for a 17-year-old to travel with him and also engaging in a sexual relationship with her?

That certainly could run afoul of a number of criminal laws. However, prosecution for child sex trafficking seems unlikely unless it could be proved that paying for the girl's travel was explicitly conditioned on her engaging in sexual activity, or that money or something else of value was specifically promised in return for these sex acts.

Saying that what Gaetz is accused of isn't child sex trafficking doesn't mean it's perfectly fine behavior for a member of Congress or that it shouldn't be condemned. But our modern tendency to describe any and all morally suspect and/or criminalized sexual activity as sex trafficking leads us not to moral righteousness but moral panic.

It's how we get masses of people believing insane conspiracy theories like those spread by QAnon, in which the highest levels of government and business are supposedly controlled by child sex traffickers who harvest kids' blood. It's how we get oodles of nonsensical Facebook memes about traffickers trailing people around supermarkets. It's how we end up with dangerous laws like the 2018 Fight Online Sex Trafficking Act (FOSTA), which criminalizes online speech surrounding consensual sex and makes it more difficult for workers in commercial sex sectors to stay safe. And it's how we end up with ever more police, FBI, and ICE stings targeting all forms of sex work, which ruin lives and drive up arrests and incarceration without actually protecting anyone.

None of this is to say that a man who is in his thirties "dating" a teenager is something to be condoned. Most people can probably agree that it is, at the very least, creepy. Many people would agree that it crosses a moral line. And depending on where the relationship took place, it could also violate a number of criminal laws.

In D.C., the age of sexual consent is 16 (meaning a sexual relationship between an adult man and a 17-year-old girl would be legal). But the age of sexual consent in many states (including Florida) is age 18, so an adult having sex with a 17-year-old in these places would be guilty of statutory rape (a state-level crime). And if state, country, or territorial lines were crossed, prosecution under a federal law known as the Mann Act is also possible.

The Mann Act of 1910—which is distinct from the federal prohibition on sex trafficking passed this century—prohibits bringing anyone, including adults, across state lines "with intent that such individual engage in prostitution, or in any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense."

This law—which once banned helping someone cross state lines for any "debauchery" or "immoral purposes"—has a dark history of being used against interracial couples, LGBTQ people, immigrants, immodest women, and others whom authorities considered de facto suspect. It also became a catchall tool to justify federal police surveillance and action. Today, it is still used in cases where no force, fraud, coercion, or minors are involved and can be levied against adult sex workers who travel in pairs or aid each other with travel plans.

In addition to crossing borders for prostitution purposes, the Mann Act also bans an array of other acts, some involving minors and some not. One section bans the transportation of minors across state lines "with intent that the individual engage in prostitution, or in any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense." If the Times report on Gaetz's relationship and activities is true, it's this part that seems like the most applicable federal statute (provided the age of consent in any of the areas traveled to was above 17). It's perhaps the only applicable federal statute unless the feds want to argue that paying for the travel constitutes engaging in a commercial sex act.

The New York Times does not say what statutes Gaetz is allegedly suspected of violating, but it does report that it "is part of a broader investigation into a political ally of his, a local official in Florida named Joel Greenberg, who was indicted last summer on an array of charges."

Where this investigation—and Gaetz's counterclaims—will ultimately lead is anyone's guess. But for now, it seems like prime example of how sex trafficking allegations have become a catchall to capture all sorts of perceived sexual misconduct.

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(03-31-2021 11:59 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 11:57 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 11:41 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 11:18 AM)maximus Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 10:20 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  When did the Barr DOJ do that?
Where did I mention anything about Barr?

BTW, if the facts come out he did this he should be thrown in prison.

I will also say, its known that Clinton flew with Epstein and was on his island with underage girls, where is that investigation?

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If you want to cover Clinton...go find another thread.

I agree. We need a thread on people who have legitimate evidence of child trafficking and underage sex, and we'll include Clinton in that one. (As well as Ghislane, who was just indicted)

No need to lump people who arent in the same boat in the same thread.

Helk that dork swalwell banged a CCP spy and these cucks think its cool.

Deep state doing work on Gaetz. That's all this is.

yep, sounds like he was being interviewed as part of some other investigation, and then some rogue FBI agent in Florida decided to target him in the investigation, with the approval of the deep state. Then "roguey" decided to get greedy and tried to extort him. Then, when it was found out that Gaetz's family was wearing wires to entrap "roguey", and the deep state decided to leak the story to the NYT's to get out in front of the fact that the FBI got busted behaving badly yet again.
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(03-31-2021 01:03 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 11:59 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 11:57 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 11:41 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 11:18 AM)maximus Wrote:  Where did I mention anything about Barr?

BTW, if the facts come out he did this he should be thrown in prison.

I will also say, its known that Clinton flew with Epstein and was on his island with underage girls, where is that investigation?

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If you want to cover Clinton...go find another thread.

I agree. We need a thread on people who have legitimate evidence of child trafficking and underage sex, and we'll include Clinton in that one. (As well as Ghislane, who was just indicted)

No need to lump people who arent in the same boat in the same thread.

Helk that dork swalwell banged a CCP spy and these cucks think its cool.

Deep state doing work on Gaetz. That's all this is.

yep, sounds like he was being interviewed as part of some other investigation, and then some rogue FBI agent in Florida decided to target him in the investigation, with the approval of the deep state. Then "roguey" decided to get greedy and tried to extort him. Then, when it was found out that Gaetz's family was wearing wires to entrap "roguey", and the deep state decided to leak the story to the NYT's to get out in front of the fact that the FBI got busted behaving badly yet again.

Sounds like you're just making shut up again...like how trump will win Arizona and how one unsupervised guy adjudicated 68% of the ballots in Antrim County, determined on his own how the voter voted, filled out a new ballot, ran it through the machine, and then destroyed the original ballot.

But please regale us with the three things you're famous for including in every sentence like Rudy. An insurance deductible, a vacation, and an audit.

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(03-31-2021 01:03 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 11:59 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 11:57 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 11:41 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 11:18 AM)maximus Wrote:  Where did I mention anything about Barr?

BTW, if the facts come out he did this he should be thrown in prison.

I will also say, its known that Clinton flew with Epstein and was on his island with underage girls, where is that investigation?

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If you want to cover Clinton...go find another thread.

I agree. We need a thread on people who have legitimate evidence of child trafficking and underage sex, and we'll include Clinton in that one. (As well as Ghislane, who was just indicted)

No need to lump people who arent in the same boat in the same thread.

Helk that dork swalwell banged a CCP spy and these cucks think its cool.

Deep state doing work on Gaetz. That's all this is.

yep, sounds like he was being interviewed as part of some other investigation, and then some rogue FBI agent in Florida decided to target him in the investigation, with the approval of the deep state. Then "roguey" decided to get greedy and tried to extort him. Then, when it was found out that Gaetz's family was wearing wires to entrap "roguey", and the deep state decided to leak the story to the NYT's to get out in front of the fact that the FBI got busted behaving badly yet again.

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(03-31-2021 01:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 01:03 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 11:59 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 11:57 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 11:41 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  If you want to cover Clinton...go find another thread.

I agree. We need a thread on people who have legitimate evidence of child trafficking and underage sex, and we'll include Clinton in that one. (As well as Ghislane, who was just indicted)

No need to lump people who arent in the same boat in the same thread.

Helk that dork swalwell banged a CCP spy and these cucks think its cool.

Deep state doing work on Gaetz. That's all this is.

yep, sounds like he was being interviewed as part of some other investigation, and then some rogue FBI agent in Florida decided to target him in the investigation, with the approval of the deep state. Then "roguey" decided to get greedy and tried to extort him. Then, when it was found out that Gaetz's family was wearing wires to entrap "roguey", and the deep state decided to leak the story to the NYT's to get out in front of the fact that the FBI got busted behaving badly yet again.

Sounds like you're just making shut up again...
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cry more b*Tch. I can speculate. Fake news media should not, but they do.

This has all of the fingerprints of the FBI trying to cover their misdeeds again. By the way, even fake news is reporting that there was an extortion against Gaetz, but that he "blew that up" to try to cover up these other charges.

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