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(03-31-2021 11:41 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
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(03-31-2021 10:20 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 09:25 AM)maximus Wrote:  When the same yahoos who tried to destroy a SCOTUS nominees life are involved, i give pause to any information until true facts are known.

When did the Barr DOJ do that?
Where did I mention anything about Barr?

BTW, if the facts come out he did this he should be thrown in prison.

I will also say, its known that Clinton flew with Epstein and was on his island with underage girls, where is that investigation?

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You said "the same yahoos". This Gaetz investigation was started months ago by the trump DOJ under Barr.

If you want to cover Clinton...go find another thread.

Meanwhile, Maxwell claimed in her 2016 deposition that Bill Clinton never visited the island.
She's lying he's listed on the flight manifest numerous times. She never said he didn't visit the island. She said " She was not aware of him visiting the island." Big difference.

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Time to dust off the Benny Mardones...


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(03-31-2021 11:57 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 11:41 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 11:18 AM)maximus Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 10:20 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 09:25 AM)maximus Wrote:  When the same yahoos who tried to destroy a SCOTUS nominees life are involved, i give pause to any information until true facts are known.

When did the Barr DOJ do that?
Where did I mention anything about Barr?

BTW, if the facts come out he did this he should be thrown in prison.

I will also say, its known that Clinton flew with Epstein and was on his island with underage girls, where is that investigation?

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If you want to cover Clinton...go find another thread.

I agree. We need a thread on people who have legitimate evidence of child trafficking and underage sex, and we'll include Clinton in that one. (As well as Ghislane, who was just indicted)

No need to lump people who arent in the same boat in the same thread.

Someone clear me up here on this "trafficking" thing. If the girl is 17 and this is/was a consensual relationship (Read: not a prostitution thing), is that illegal? Can a 17YO and a 26 YO marry if they want too? How about if it's the female who is the 26YO?
Why does this magically change in some period of months marking 18YO?

What if the 17YO says frack off, he did nothing I wasn't comfortable with and willing? IOW's has no interest in seeing any charges as she was a willing participant?

Seems pretty arbitrary to me, we're allowing toddlers to pick their own sex these days, is this really a concern?
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(03-31-2021 03:43 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 11:57 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 11:41 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 11:18 AM)maximus Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 10:20 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  When did the Barr DOJ do that?
Where did I mention anything about Barr?

BTW, if the facts come out he did this he should be thrown in prison.

I will also say, its known that Clinton flew with Epstein and was on his island with underage girls, where is that investigation?

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Yeesh.


If you want to cover Clinton...go find another thread.

I agree. We need a thread on people who have legitimate evidence of child trafficking and underage sex, and we'll include Clinton in that one. (As well as Ghislane, who was just indicted)

No need to lump people who arent in the same boat in the same thread.

Someone clear me up here on this "trafficking" thing. If the girl is 17 and this is/was a consensual relationship (Read: not a prostitution thing), is that illegal? Can a 17YO and a 26 YO marry if they want too? How about if it's the female who is the 26YO?
Why does this magically change in some period of months marking 18YO?

What if the 17YO says frack off, he did nothing I wasn't comfortable with and willing? IOW's has no interest in seeing any charges as she was a willing participant?

Seems pretty arbitrary to me, we're allowing toddlers to pick their own sex these days, is this really a concern?

I see we've reached the "so WHAT if a middle-aged congressman had sex with a minor?" portion of the right-wing defense.
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(03-31-2021 03:46 PM)Morkai Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 03:43 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 11:57 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 11:41 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 11:18 AM)maximus Wrote:  Where did I mention anything about Barr?

BTW, if the facts come out he did this he should be thrown in prison.

I will also say, its known that Clinton flew with Epstein and was on his island with underage girls, where is that investigation?

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Yeesh.


If you want to cover Clinton...go find another thread.

I agree. We need a thread on people who have legitimate evidence of child trafficking and underage sex, and we'll include Clinton in that one. (As well as Ghislane, who was just indicted)

No need to lump people who arent in the same boat in the same thread.

Someone clear me up here on this "trafficking" thing. If the girl is 17 and this is/was a consensual relationship (Read: not a prostitution thing), is that illegal? Can a 17YO and a 26 YO marry if they want too? How about if it's the female who is the 26YO?
Why does this magically change in some period of months marking 18YO?

What if the 17YO says frack off, he did nothing I wasn't comfortable with and willing? IOW's has no interest in seeing any charges as she was a willing participant?

Seems pretty arbitrary to me, we're allowing toddlers to pick their own sex these days, is this really a concern?

I see we've reached the "so WHAT if a middle-aged congressman had sex with a minor?" portion of the right-wing defense.


Uhhh, no dope. Not a defense or anything else of anyone or anything. It's a generic kind of question(s). I have no more idea what is actually real here and neither do you. I read the article someone posted on page one and that seems to clear some of it up, it depends on consent and the age restrictions of whatever State where the sex may or may have not taken place.

Try harder.

Please be better.
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(03-31-2021 04:03 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Uhhh, no dope. Not a defense or anything else of anyone or anything. It's a generic kind of question(s). I have no more idea what is actually real here and neither do you. I read the article someone posted on page one and that seems to clear some of it up, it depends on consent and the age restrictions of whatever State the sex may or may have not taken place.

Try harder.

Please be better.

Age of consent is 18. So yes, it's illegal.

There are exceptions that minors aged 16 and 17 can date adults older than 18, but I think 23 is the cut off limit.
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(03-31-2021 03:46 PM)Morkai Wrote:  I see we've reached the "so WHAT if a middle-aged congressman had sex with a minor?" portion of the right-wing defense.

help me out here...

As i understand it the investigation from Barr was about another politician, and the Gaetz is an ancillary part of the investigation. He has not been charged, he says he has talked to the FBI about it, that there are no names, no facts, no data... just some rumors leaked by the Times.

If he as running around with a 17y old 2 years ago then he should resign. period. But shouldn't there be at least some type of evidence?

What am i missing?
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(03-31-2021 04:06 PM)Oman Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 03:46 PM)Morkai Wrote:  I see we've reached the "so WHAT if a middle-aged congressman had sex with a minor?" portion of the right-wing defense.

help me out here...

As i understand it the investigation from Barr was about another politician, and the Gaetz is an ancillary part of the investigation. He has not been charged, he says he has talked to the FBI about it, that there are no names, no facts, no data... just some rumors leaked by the Times.

If he as running around with a 17y old 2 years ago then he should resign. period. But shouldn't there be at least some type of evidence?

What am i missing?

I am with you. I have no idea the details of this investigation and neither does anyone on the board. My point is that there are members here who are already defending Mr. Gaetz even if he did indeed sex up a minor and pay for her to cross state lines to do so. A little weird, I'd say.
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(03-31-2021 04:10 PM)Morkai Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 04:06 PM)Oman Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 03:46 PM)Morkai Wrote:  I see we've reached the "so WHAT if a middle-aged congressman had sex with a minor?" portion of the right-wing defense.
help me out here...
As i understand it the investigation from Barr was about another politician, and the Gaetz is an ancillary part of the investigation. He has not been charged, he says he has talked to the FBI about it, that there are no names, no facts, no data... just some rumors leaked by the Times.
If he as running around with a 17y old 2 years ago then he should resign. period. But shouldn't there be at least some type of evidence?
What am i missing?
I am with you. I have no idea the details of this investigation and neither does anyone on the board. My point is that there are members here who are already defending Mr. Gaetz even if he did indeed sex up a minor and pay for her to cross state lines to do so. A little weird, I'd say.

I don't think that anyone is "defending Mr. Gaetz even if he did indeed sex up a minor." I think they are saying let's see some evidence of same before convicting him, and defending him in case that turns out NOT to be true.
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Gaetz said the 17 yr old doesn't exist. It was all made up as part of the blackmail. It has been verified the FBI wired his dad. His dad was the one getting blackmailed. Former President of the Senate. Gaetz isn't getting investigated. He is part of the investigation.
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(03-31-2021 04:21 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 04:10 PM)Morkai Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 04:06 PM)Oman Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 03:46 PM)Morkai Wrote:  I see we've reached the "so WHAT if a middle-aged congressman had sex with a minor?" portion of the right-wing defense.
help me out here...
As i understand it the investigation from Barr was about another politician, and the Gaetz is an ancillary part of the investigation. He has not been charged, he says he has talked to the FBI about it, that there are no names, no facts, no data... just some rumors leaked by the Times.
If he as running around with a 17y old 2 years ago then he should resign. period. But shouldn't there be at least some type of evidence?
What am i missing?
I am with you. I have no idea the details of this investigation and neither does anyone on the board. My point is that there are members here who are already defending Mr. Gaetz even if he did indeed sex up a minor and pay for her to cross state lines to do so. A little weird, I'd say.

I don't think that anyone is "defending Mr. Gaetz even if he did indeed sex up a minor." I think they are saying let's see some evidence of same before convicting him, and defending him in case that turns out NOT to be true.

"Why does this magically change in some period of months marking 18YO?"
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(03-31-2021 04:21 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Gaetz said the 17 yr old doesn't exist. It was all made up as part of the blackmail. It has been verified the FBI wired his dad. His dad was the one getting blackmailed. Former President of the Senate. Gaetz isn't getting investigated. He is part of the investigation.

Are you sure?

The federal investigation into Florida Rep. Matt Gaetz is focused on allegations that the junior congressman had a sexual relationship with at least one minor, and is scrutinizing the Republican's conduct not only in Florida but in other states too, three sources familiar with the investigation tell ABC News.
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(03-31-2021 04:27 PM)Morkai Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 04:21 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Gaetz said the 17 yr old doesn't exist. It was all made up as part of the blackmail. It has been verified the FBI wired his dad. His dad was the one getting blackmailed. Former President of the Senate. Gaetz isn't getting investigated. He is part of the investigation.

Are you sure?

The federal investigation into Florida Rep. Matt Gaetz is focused on allegations that the junior congressman had a sexual relationship with at least one minor, and is scrutinizing the Republican's conduct not only in Florida but in other states too, three sources familiar with the investigation tell ABC News.
I'm sure those are the same "three sources" that told us Trump pissed on whores in a Russian hotel. The dad wearing a wire has been verified. Pretty sure they wouldn't wire his dad to catch a blackmailer if they thought Gaetz did something wrong. 48 hour rule. Besides last Summer they were saying he was gay because he adopted a 19 year old boy. So, which is it?
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Quote:After the news, relying on three anonymous sources, broke Tuesday through the New York Times that Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) was being investigated by the Department of Justice regarding allegations that he had a sexual relationship with a 17-year-old girl and paid her to travel with him across state lines, Gaetz appeared on “Tucker Carlson Tonight” vehemently denying the allegation and stating that he was the target of an extortion scheme led by a former federal prosecutor. Gaetz identified that former DOJ employee as David McGee, who is now an attorney in private practice in Pensacola, Florida.

In both the Times story and Gaetz’s interview with Tucker Carlson, Gaetz stated that he and his father, former president of the Florida Senate, went to the FBI about the blackmail/extortion scheme and that his father had agreed to wear a wire to get information for the FBI. Wednesday morning, the elder Gaetz spoke with Politico Florida’s Matt Dixon, confirming his son’s story. Don Gaetz also named a second man, Stephen Alford, as being involved with the plot.

Don Gaetz said in the interview he wore a wire during a meeting earlier this month with McGee and said he was set to meet Wednesday with Stephen Alford, a local developer who he said is also part of the alleged extortion scheme. During that meeting, Don Gaetz said, he was again set to wear a wire and try to get Alford to talk about payments he allegedly was to make to McGee, but the meeting fell apart when news broke that his son was being investigated by the Justice Department. Alford did not respond to text messages seeking comment.

Don Gaetz provided a March 25, 2021 email from Goldberg to Neiman to Politico. According to Politico, the email reads in part:

“I can confirm that your client is working with my office as well as the FBI at the government’s request in order to determine if a federal crime has been committed. This has been discussed with, and approved by, the FBI as well as leadership in my office and components of main justice.”

“The government thanks you for working cooperatively with the FBI,” the email concludes.

For his part, McGee vehemently denies being involved in an extortion attempt — which is wise, considering the prison sentence for such crimes.

In an interview with The Daily Beast late Tuesday night, McGee said any reports of extortion involving him or his firm were “completely, totally false.”

“This is a blatant attempt to distract from the fact that Matt Gaetz is apparently about to be indicted for sex trafficking underage girls,” McGee said.

Who’s right? Time will tell.

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Quote:Rep. Matt Gaetz possesses text message screenshots, an email, and a typed document that purportedly support his claims that a federal investigation into his relationship with a 17-year-old is related to an extortion scheme against him.

On Tuesday, the New York Times reported that the Justice Department is investing whether Gaetz had a sexual relationship with a 17-year-old and paid her to travel with him. Gaetz has called the report "totally false." Gaetz told Axios that his lawyers told him that he "was not a target but a subject of an investigation regarding sexual conduct with women."

The Florida Republican countered the report on Twitter and in statements to Axios and Fox News with a claim that his family is being extorted for $25 million and that the people pushing stories about an investigation into his relationships with women are the people extorting him and the subjects of an FBI extortion investigation over the last few weeks.

The documents in Gaetz's possession detail an alleged scheme that revolves around attempts by former Air Force intelligence officer Bob Kent and Beggs & Lane attorney David McGee, a former federal prosecutor, to free ex-FBI agent-turned-private investigator Robert Levinson from imprisonment in Iran.

Levinson went missing in Iran in March 2007. McGee is the attorney for the Levinson family. Kent in December 2018 had planned a secret mission to try to rescue Levinson, but he was reportedly thwarted by the federal government.

Screenshots provided to the Washington Examiner show a message that his father, Don Gaetz, a former Florida state Senate president, said he received from Kent on March 16. The message proposes “a plan that can make [Matt Gaetz’s] future legal and political problems go away.” Gaetz has denied any relationship with a minor.

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Despite the family members of Levinson saying in March 2020 that they presumed him to be dead based on information given by U.S. officials, the alleged message from Kent said he had located Levinson in Iran and has two “proof of life videos.” Kent also requested the Gaetz family’s help returning Levinson in exchange for giving Matt Gaetz credit for the operation and promising a presidential pardon for unnamed legal issues.

The next day, on March 17, Don Gaetz purportedly met with Kent, and Kent handed him a three-page document outlining “Project Homecoming.” That document detailed a plan to save Levinson at the cost of a $25 million loan.

In 1983, Don Gaetz co-founded VITAS Healthcare, and in 2004, he and his co-founders reportedly sold their stock in the company for $406 million.

In the Project Homecoming document, Kent then asked that the loan should be deposited in the trust account of Beggs & Land, naming David L. McGee, and deposited no later than March 19.

The Project Homecoming document states that Gaetz is “under investigation by the FBI for various public corruption and public integrity issues” and alleges that the FBI is aware of photos depicting Gaetz in a “sexual orgy with underage prostitutes.”

“In exchange for the funds being arranged, and upon the release of Mr. Levinson, the team that delivers Mr. Levinson to the President of The United States shall strongly advocate that President Biden issue a Presidential Pardon, or instruct the Department of Justice to terminate any and all investigations involving Congressman Gaetz," the document reads.

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It also implied that the White House has some knowledge of the plan: "The team has been assured by the President that he will strongly consider such matters because he considers the release of Robert Levinson a matter of National Urgency." The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Stephen M. Alford, who has previously faced fraud and extortion charges, was also allegedly at the March 17 meeting and gave Don Gaetz his business card showing Captum Consultants. The April 2020 articles of incorporation for the company indicate they came from Beggs & Land, McGee’s firm.

Kent, McGee, and Alford did not respond to requests for comment.

McGee told the Daily Beast on Tuesday night, following Gaetz naming him on national television, that any claims that he or his law firm were involved in extortion are "completely, totally false," adding, “This is a blatant attempt to distract from the fact that Matt Gaetz is apparently about to be indicted for sex trafficking underage girls.”

Another email chain appears to confirm the existence of the FBI investigating extortion claims.

“My client, Don Gaetz, was approached by two individuals to make a sizable payment in what I would call a scheme to defraud,” Jeffrey Neiman said in a March 25 email to the Department of Justice. “The FBI is not asking Don to voluntarily and proactively assist in their investigation, which Don is willing to do. Please confirm that your Office and the FBI would like Don’s assistance in this matter and that he will be working at the Government’s request.”

Assistant U.S. Attorney David Goldberg responded: “I can confirm that your client is working with my office as well as the FBI at the government’s request in order to determine if a federal crime has been committed. This has been discussed with, and approved by, the FBI as well as the leadership of my office and components of Main Justice.”

The Department of Justice and the FBI declined to comment on the email or the existence of an extortion investigation. Neiman also declined to comment.

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Gaetz on Fox News Tuesday night said his father wore a wire in order to assist with the case, and he demanded that the “Department of Justice and the FBI release the audio recordings that were made under their supervision and at their direction, which will prove my innocence.”

He suspects that a leak to the New York Times story about the investigation into whether he had a relationship with a 17-year-old was timed to thwart the FBI investigation into the extortion.

“This former Department of Justice official tomorrow was supposed to be contacted by my father so that specific instructions could be given regarding the wiring of $4.5 million as a down payment on this bribe,” Gaetz said. “I don’t think it’s a coincidence that tonight, somehow, the New York Times is leaking this information, smearing me, and ruining the investigation that would likely result in one of the former colleagues of the current DOJ being brought to justice for trying to extort me and my family.”

The 17-year-old in question "doesn't exist," Gaetz said, adding that he has "not had a relationship with a 17-year-old. That is totally false.”

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Quote:Florida Rep. Matt Gaetz's father, Don, told Politico on Wednesday that he's working with the FBI as it investigates an alleged scheme to extort the Gaetz family.


The younger Gaetz also shared emails with the news outlet that appeared to confirm the existence of the bureau's inquiry. The March 25 correspondence was between Don Gaetz's lawyer, Jeffrey Neiman, and David Goldberg, an assistant US attorney for the Northern District of Florida, Politico said.

"I can confirm that your client is working with my office as well as the FBI at the government's request in order to determine if a federal crime has been committed," Goldberg wrote to Neiman, according to Politico. "This has been discussed with, and approved by, the FBI as well as leadership in my office and components of main justice."

"The government thanks you for working cooperatively with the FBI," the email said.
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(03-31-2021 04:03 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Uhhh, no dope. Not a defense or anything else of anyone or anything. It's a generic kind of question(s). I have no more idea what is actually real here and neither do you. I read the article someone posted on page one and that seems to clear some of it up, it depends on consent and the age restrictions of whatever State the sex may or may have not taken place.

Try harder.

Please be better.

Age of consent is 18. So yes, it's illegal.

There are exceptions that minors aged 16 and 17 can date adults older than 18, but I think 23 is the cut off limit.

Is that a Fed age of consent or does it vary by state? Article on page one said the age in the DC cesspool is 16(!). Does there have to be a "victim" here, a transaction, or can the "State" bring charges regardless?

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(03-31-2021 04:43 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 04:06 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 04:03 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Uhhh, no dope. Not a defense or anything else of anyone or anything. It's a generic kind of question(s). I have no more idea what is actually real here and neither do you. I read the article someone posted on page one and that seems to clear some of it up, it depends on consent and the age restrictions of whatever State the sex may or may have not taken place.

Try harder.

Please be better.

Age of consent is 18. So yes, it's illegal.

There are exceptions that minors aged 16 and 17 can date adults older than 18, but I think 23 is the cut off limit.

Is that a Fed age of consent or does it vary by state? Article on page one said the age in the DC cesspool is 16(!). Does there have to be a "victim" here, a transaction, or can the "State" bring charges regardless?

Asking for a friend.



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Doesn't matter. The 17 yr old doesn't exist. She was made up.
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RE: Matt Gaetz under investigation by DOJ?
(03-31-2021 04:25 PM)Morkai Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 04:21 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 04:10 PM)Morkai Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 04:06 PM)Oman Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 03:46 PM)Morkai Wrote:  I see we've reached the "so WHAT if a middle-aged congressman had sex with a minor?" portion of the right-wing defense.
help me out here...
As i understand it the investigation from Barr was about another politician, and the Gaetz is an ancillary part of the investigation. He has not been charged, he says he has talked to the FBI about it, that there are no names, no facts, no data... just some rumors leaked by the Times.
If he as running around with a 17y old 2 years ago then he should resign. period. But shouldn't there be at least some type of evidence?
What am i missing?
I am with you. I have no idea the details of this investigation and neither does anyone on the board. My point is that there are members here who are already defending Mr. Gaetz even if he did indeed sex up a minor and pay for her to cross state lines to do so. A little weird, I'd say.

I don't think that anyone is "defending Mr. Gaetz even if he did indeed sex up a minor." I think they are saying let's see some evidence of same before convicting him, and defending him in case that turns out NOT to be true.

"Why does this magically change in some period of months marking 18YO?"

Not defending or excusing anything dope. I'm asking questions cause we have some pretty smart people here, not to include you. It appears to vary by State and I very specifically said NOT involving money, paid for or whatever. And yes, there are and should be age limits at some level, but for consensual acts I don't entirely see the difference between 17 Y's 10 Months and 18.

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RE: Matt Gaetz under investigation by DOJ?
(03-31-2021 04:43 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 04:06 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 04:03 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Uhhh, no dope. Not a defense or anything else of anyone or anything. It's a generic kind of question(s). I have no more idea what is actually real here and neither do you. I read the article someone posted on page one and that seems to clear some of it up, it depends on consent and the age restrictions of whatever State the sex may or may have not taken place.

Try harder.

Please be better.

Age of consent is 18. So yes, it's illegal.

There are exceptions that minors aged 16 and 17 can date adults older than 18, but I think 23 is the cut off limit.

Is that a Fed age of consent or does it vary by state? Article on page one said the age in the DC cesspool is 16(!). Does there have to be a "victim" here, a transaction, or can the "State" bring charges regardless?

Asking for a friend.

03-lmfao

It varies by state. For instance, in Florida, it's 18, or 16 if you're within in a certain age of the younger individual.

The age of consent in Georgia and Alabama is 16 regardless of circumstances (except if you're an employee of a school).

DC is 16 as long as the older person is not in a position of authority of the younger person. For instance, a pastor, teacher, employer, etc...

When I was a HS senior, I was 17 and dated a 21 year old so we looked these things up to make sure we were in the clear.

I have no idea about the latter portion of your question.
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(03-31-2021 04:50 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 04:43 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 04:06 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  
(03-31-2021 04:03 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Uhhh, no dope. Not a defense or anything else of anyone or anything. It's a generic kind of question(s). I have no more idea what is actually real here and neither do you. I read the article someone posted on page one and that seems to clear some of it up, it depends on consent and the age restrictions of whatever State the sex may or may have not taken place.

Try harder.

Please be better.

Age of consent is 18. So yes, it's illegal.

There are exceptions that minors aged 16 and 17 can date adults older than 18, but I think 23 is the cut off limit.

Is that a Fed age of consent or does it vary by state? Article on page one said the age in the DC cesspool is 16(!). Does there have to be a "victim" here, a transaction, or can the "State" bring charges regardless?

Asking for a friend.



03-lmfao
Doesn't matter. The 17 yr old doesn't exist. She was made up.

Only asking cause I don't know. Not all that concerned about Gaetz and this entire odd tale. If he did something illegal he should resign and face charges, if this is another "Dossier" meant to smear another innocent person, they've got reaaaaaal issues at DOJ and elsewhere and someone needs to get a handle on this stuff. Enough already.
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