(04-04-2021 09:30 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  PI - TIN - O!!! PI - TIN - O !!!

He had a much improved team despite all the insanity in New York State

(04-04-2021 01:02 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(04-03-2021 11:54 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  UC ain't getting Archie at this point.

Thanks goodness. Now go BIG and get a proven winner. Cincy is NOT a stepping stone job and if you have to take a chance then,,,,what's wrong with Nick Van Exel? I'm not trying be to snarky , just asking an honest question.

I was being snarky when I originally suggested it...

(04-04-2021 09:30 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  PI - TIN - O!!! PI - TIN - O !!!

Yes please!!!

Almost everyplace is a stepping stone. And I recall a recent Cincy coach leaving for UCLA.

Cincy is less of a stepping stone than many places.

(04-05-2021 08:07 AM)pvtlamb Wrote:  Almost everyplace is a stepping stone. And I recall a recent Cincy coach leaving for UCLA.

Cincy is less of a stepping stone than many places.

Kentucky was a stepping stone for Pitino. Florida was a stepping stone for Donovan. Illinois was a stepping stone for Self. Kansas was a stepping stone for Roy Williams. Just worry about hiring the right guy, not whether they're eventually going to leave.

(04-04-2021 09:30 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  PI - TIN - O!!! PI - TIN - O !!!

He's be a great get but the irony of doing a near-FBI investigation to find something to fire Brannen for cause to avoid paying him, then to hire Pitino, given his background.

(04-05-2021 08:45 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(04-04-2021 09:30 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  PI - TIN - O!!! PI - TIN - O !!!

He's be a great get but the irony of doing a near-FBI investigation to find something to fire Brannen for cause to avoid paying him, then to hire Pitino, given his background.

Pitino has zero chance at UC. President Pinto was at UL when the **** hit the fan. That being said, Pitino has already said he will not consider any other jobs, that he's retiring from Iona. I don't get why people still bring it up. He just wants to end his career in a non pressure job where he doesn't have to cater to elite players that think they know more than the coach.

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so this is supposedly going to be a legal mess.. according to all the updated articles there is no justifiable reason to fire him without a buyout.. and that cincy cant afford the 5mil buyout
there is no quick solution in sight outside of keeping him...

a few twitter folks have pointed out that longer this last the ore bad it will be for UC, both with recruiting and reputation

i am team brannen ..sorry UC fans, you signed a contract.. pay the buyout or keep him.. trying to tarnish his name to weasel out, leaves a really bad taste... someone noted that fickell is watching to see how it all plays out..
start a fundraiser ....do what you have to do but do it the right way

(04-05-2021 09:22 AM)pesik Wrote:  so this is supposedly going to be a legal mess.. according to all the updated articles there is no justifiable reason to fire him without a buyout.. and that cincy cant afford the 5mil buyout
there is no quick solution in sight outside of keeping him...

a few twitter folks have pointed out that longer this last the ore bad it will be for UC, both with recruiting and reputation

im a team brannen ..sorry UC fans, you signed a contract.. pay the buyout or keep him.. trying to tarnish his name to weasel out, leaves a really bad taste... someone noted that fickell is watching to see how it all plays out..
start a fundraiser ....do what you have to do but od it the right way

Absolutely correct. No apology needed.

(04-05-2021 08:49 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(04-05-2021 08:45 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(04-04-2021 09:30 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  PI - TIN - O!!! PI - TIN - O !!!

He's be a great get but the irony of doing a near-FBI investigation to find something to fire Brannen for cause to avoid paying him, then to hire Pitino, given his background.

Pitino has zero chance at UC. President Pinto was at UL when the **** hit the fan. That being said, Pitino has already said he will not consider any other jobs, that he's retiring from Iona. I don't get why people still bring it up. He just wants to end his career in a non pressure job where he doesn't have to cater to elite players that think they know more than the coach.

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Because some people just throw things in occasionally for a laugh.

It's called humor.

(04-05-2021 11:18 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(04-05-2021 08:49 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(04-05-2021 08:45 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(04-04-2021 09:30 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  PI - TIN - O!!! PI - TIN - O !!!

He's be a great get but the irony of doing a near-FBI investigation to find something to fire Brannen for cause to avoid paying him, then to hire Pitino, given his background.

Pitino has zero chance at UC. President Pinto was at UL when the **** hit the fan. That being said, Pitino has already said he will not consider any other jobs, that he's retiring from Iona. I don't get why people still bring it up. He just wants to end his career in a non pressure job where he doesn't have to cater to elite players that think they know more than the coach.

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Because some people just throw things in occasionally for a laugh.

It's called humor.

Hilarious.

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(04-05-2021 09:22 AM)pesik Wrote:  so this is supposedly going to be a legal mess.. according to all the updated articles there is no justifiable reason to fire him without a buyout.. and that cincy cant afford the 5mil buyout
there is no quick solution in sight outside of keeping him...

a few twitter folks have pointed out that longer this last the ore bad it will be for UC, both with recruiting and reputation

i am team brannen ..sorry UC fans, you signed a contract.. pay the buyout or keep him.. trying to tarnish his name to weasel out, leaves a really bad taste... someone noted that fickell is watching to see how it all plays out..
start a fundraiser ....do what you have to do but do it the right way

You may be right, but we'll have to see what all ends up coming out. The allegations I've seen paint a pretty bad picture of John. Not sure it's us tarnishing his name.

It's safe to say John won't be getting a head coaching job anywhere near this level any time soon. He'd probably be a pretty good assistant though.

(04-05-2021 12:21 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(04-05-2021 09:22 AM)pesik Wrote:  so this is supposedly going to be a legal mess.. according to all the updated articles there is no justifiable reason to fire him without a buyout.. and that cincy cant afford the 5mil buyout
there is no quick solution in sight outside of keeping him...

a few twitter folks have pointed out that longer this last the ore bad it will be for UC, both with recruiting and reputation

i am team brannen ..sorry UC fans, you signed a contract.. pay the buyout or keep him.. trying to tarnish his name to weasel out, leaves a really bad taste... someone noted that fickell is watching to see how it all plays out..
start a fundraiser ....do what you have to do but do it the right way

You may be right, but we'll have to see what all ends up coming out. The allegations I've seen paint a pretty bad picture of John. Not sure it's us tarnishing his name.

It's safe to say John won't be getting a head coaching job anywhere near this level any time soon. He'd probably be a pretty good assistant though.

there is nothing to come out or it would have already come out...cincy is looking for anything in every corner to find something to manipulate as bad ..

goodman said he already looked into both the players and his sources within the program who are AGAINST brannen, they said there was no physical or emotional abuse..that it was a lack of trust.

chad brandel has noted their hasnt been any violation or justifiable reason to fire with cause that has been found..yet
the worst ive heard is making te players practice too hard in covid situations... boo hoo.. it is 100% UC tarnishing his name...you are looking to find any thing that can be manipulated against him

i get it your a UC fans and want the best for UC. so youd be willing to tarnish an innocent mans names and career just so your school can have an easier situation.. but from an outside perspective looking in.. what you guys are doing is wrong

also branned has been NCAA or NIT (or would have been) 4 of the last 5 years, he isnt an assistant ..

(04-05-2021 12:49 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-05-2021 12:21 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(04-05-2021 09:22 AM)pesik Wrote:  so this is supposedly going to be a legal mess.. according to all the updated articles there is no justifiable reason to fire him without a buyout.. and that cincy cant afford the 5mil buyout
there is no quick solution in sight outside of keeping him...

a few twitter folks have pointed out that longer this last the ore bad it will be for UC, both with recruiting and reputation

i am team brannen ..sorry UC fans, you signed a contract.. pay the buyout or keep him.. trying to tarnish his name to weasel out, leaves a really bad taste... someone noted that fickell is watching to see how it all plays out..
start a fundraiser ....do what you have to do but do it the right way

You may be right, but we'll have to see what all ends up coming out. The allegations I've seen paint a pretty bad picture of John. Not sure it's us tarnishing his name.

It's safe to say John won't be getting a head coaching job anywhere near this level any time soon. He'd probably be a pretty good assistant though.

there is nothing to come out or it would have already come out...cincy is looking for anything in every corner to find something to manipulate as bad ..

goodman said he already looked into both the players and his sources within the program who are AGAINST brannen, they said there was no physical or emotional abuse..that it was a lack of trust.

chad brandel has noted their hasnt been any violation or justifiable reason to fire with cause that has been found..yet
the worst ive heard is making te players practice too hard in covid situations... boo hoo.. it is 100% UC tarnishing his name...you are looking to find any thing that can be manipulated against him

i get it your a UC fans and want the best for UC. so youd be willing to tarnish an innocent mans names and career just so your school can have an easier situation.. but from an outside perspective looking in.. what you guys are doing is wrong

also branned has been NCAA or NIT (or would have been) 4 of the last 5 years, he isnt an assistant ..

How is he an innocent man? The players hated him. He's an egotistical prick that disparaged players behind their backs and to recruits, pitted players against each other in the locker room, etc. How disconnected can you be from your players to not understood your entire freshman class is going to transfer once the season ends?

Maybe you're right and there is nothing for cause to fire him, but if Brannen wasn't a complete ******* we would not be in this situation. If he was merely a bad basketball coach, we wouldn't be in this situation. He created an untenable environment for his players and that's why we are here today. UC is doing what any university would do when they don't have money to pay the full buyout. Look at what UConn did to Ollie and he won them a national title. All we got was a multitude of terrible losses and two lost seasons of recruiting. Hopefully this is resolved by the weekend but I have my doubts...

(04-05-2021 02:07 PM)JFlight21 Wrote:  How is he an innocent man? The players hated him. He's an egotistical prick that disparaged players behind their backs and to recruits, pitted players against each other in the locker room, etc. How disconnected can you be from your players to not understood your entire freshman class is going to transfer once the season ends?

Maybe you're right and there is nothing for cause to fire him, but if Brannen wasn't a complete ******* we would not be in this situation. If he was merely a bad basketball coach, we wouldn't be in this situation. He created an untenable environment for his players and that's why we are here today. UC is doing what any university would do when they don't have money to pay the full buyout. Look at what UConn did to Ollie and he won them a national title. All we got was a multitude of terrible losses and two lost seasons of recruiting. Hopefully this is resolved by the weekend but I have my doubts...

im the most pro player person ever.. i always side with the player in 97% of the time in debates involving players where empathy is involved...
this isnt a player vs coach situation... its a coach vs a school thing, where a school is trying to weasel out of paying a man at all cost even if it means destroying his reputation ..

if UC had the money theyd have just fired him, and everyone would have moved on no matter the situation.... the sole issue is that UC lacks the funds

i have personally said before the season ended that their might be a culture issues at UC that brannen is fostering..if you wanted to fire him for the culture he built, thats fine, but pay him his buyout... it was on UC to research this before they hired him, you both agreed to terms

the biggest allegation floating around about brannen is that the medical staff wanted to step in to stop practice but were scared...and some UC fans were outraged.. to me thats the same as people surprised coaches yell at players aggressively, mainly because theyve only watched the game from a distance. That claim could be made for every team in history. Coaches push players in practice more than the should, its a common thing... in "last chance u: basketball" (east la jc), and "why not us" (nccu) there are scenes where the coaches kept making the players run, and players desperately wanted to quit, almost collapsing because they couldn't take it, but forced to finish the suicides anyways (the coaches in both shows are extremely loved, good people)

pay the man and move on....anything else is wrong...shouldn't have signed the contract

(04-05-2021 02:31 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-05-2021 02:07 PM)JFlight21 Wrote:  How is he an innocent man? The players hated him. He's an egotistical prick that disparaged players behind their backs and to recruits, pitted players against each other in the locker room, etc. How disconnected can you be from your players to not understood your entire freshman class is going to transfer once the season ends?

Maybe you're right and there is nothing for cause to fire him, but if Brannen wasn't a complete ******* we would not be in this situation. If he was merely a bad basketball coach, we wouldn't be in this situation. He created an untenable environment for his players and that's why we are here today. UC is doing what any university would do when they don't have money to pay the full buyout. Look at what UConn did to Ollie and he won them a national title. All we got was a multitude of terrible losses and two lost seasons of recruiting. Hopefully this is resolved by the weekend but I have my doubts...

im the most pro player person ever.. i always side with the player in 97% of the time in debates involving players where empathy is involved...
this isnt a player vs coach situation... its a coach vs a school thing, where a school is trying to weasel out of paying a man at all cost even if it means destroying his reputation ..

if UC had the money theyd have just fired him, and everyone would have moved on no matter the situation.... the sole issue is that UC lacks the funds

i have personally said before the season ended that their might be a culture issues at UC that brannen is fostering..if you wanted to fire him for the culture he built, thats fine, but pay him his buyout... it was on UC to research this before they hired him, you both agreed to terms

the biggest allegation floating around about brannen is that the medical staff wanted to step in to stop practice but were scared...and some UC fans were outraged.. to me thats the same as people surprised coaches yell at players aggressively.. mainly because theyve only watch the game from a distance... that claim could be made for every team in history.. coaches push players in practice more than the should, its a thing... in "last chance u basketball" (east la jc), and "why not us" (nccu) there are scenes where the coaches kept making them run, and players desperately wanted to quit almost collapsing because they couldn't take it, but forced to finish the suicides anyways (the coaches in both shows are extremely loved, good people)

pay the man and move on....anything else is wrong...shouldn't have signed the contract

Mike Bohn (now the AD at Southern Cal) gave Brannen the contract. Why he agreed a buyout of this size for a low major coach is beyond me.

(04-05-2021 02:31 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-05-2021 02:07 PM)JFlight21 Wrote:  How is he an innocent man? The players hated him. He's an egotistical prick that disparaged players behind their backs and to recruits, pitted players against each other in the locker room, etc. How disconnected can you be from your players to not understood your entire freshman class is going to transfer once the season ends?

Maybe you're right and there is nothing for cause to fire him, but if Brannen wasn't a complete ******* we would not be in this situation. If he was merely a bad basketball coach, we wouldn't be in this situation. He created an untenable environment for his players and that's why we are here today. UC is doing what any university would do when they don't have money to pay the full buyout. Look at what UConn did to Ollie and he won them a national title. All we got was a multitude of terrible losses and two lost seasons of recruiting. Hopefully this is resolved by the weekend but I have my doubts...

im the most pro player person ever.. i always side with the player in 97% of the time in debates involving players where empathy is involved...
this isnt a player vs coach situation... its a coach vs a school thing, where a school is trying to weasel out of paying a man at all cost even if it means destroying his reputation ..

if UC had the money theyd have just fired him, and everyone would have moved on no matter the situation.... the sole issue is that UC lacks the funds

i have personally said before the season ended that their might be a culture issues at UC that brannen is fostering..if you wanted to fire him for the culture he built, thats fine, but pay him his buyout... it was on UC to research this before they hired him, you both agreed to terms

the biggest allegation floating around about brannen is that the medical staff wanted to step in to stop practice but were scared...and some UC fans were outraged.. to me thats the same as people surprised coaches yell at players aggressively.. mainly because theyve only watch the game from a distance... that claim could be made for every team in history.. coaches push players in practice more than the should, its a thing... in "last chance u basketball" (east la jc), and "why not us" (nccu) there are scenes where the coaches kept making them run, and players desperately wanted to quit almost collapsing because they couldn't take it, but forced to finish the suicides anyways (the coaches in both shows are extremely loved, good people)

pay the man and move on....anything else is wrong...shouldn't have signed the contract

To your final point on the Last Chance U coaches - that absolutely exists. Heck, Cronin and Huggins were hardass coaches but their players loved him.

Brannen just doesn't appear to be a likeable guy and bordering on being socially inept. That's why he can't get away with the over the top practices. He just can't connect with his players and that would be a detriment to UC's program now and into the future. I'm almost glad this all is coming to a head now but the longer this drags out the worse the inherited situation will be for the next coach.

(04-05-2021 02:46 PM)JFlight21 Wrote:  

(04-05-2021 02:31 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-05-2021 02:07 PM)JFlight21 Wrote:  How is he an innocent man? The players hated him. He's an egotistical prick that disparaged players behind their backs and to recruits, pitted players against each other in the locker room, etc. How disconnected can you be from your players to not understood your entire freshman class is going to transfer once the season ends?

Maybe you're right and there is nothing for cause to fire him, but if Brannen wasn't a complete ******* we would not be in this situation. If he was merely a bad basketball coach, we wouldn't be in this situation. He created an untenable environment for his players and that's why we are here today. UC is doing what any university would do when they don't have money to pay the full buyout. Look at what UConn did to Ollie and he won them a national title. All we got was a multitude of terrible losses and two lost seasons of recruiting. Hopefully this is resolved by the weekend but I have my doubts...

im the most pro player person ever.. i always side with the player in 97% of the time in debates involving players where empathy is involved...
this isnt a player vs coach situation... its a coach vs a school thing, where a school is trying to weasel out of paying a man at all cost even if it means destroying his reputation ..

if UC had the money theyd have just fired him, and everyone would have moved on no matter the situation.... the sole issue is that UC lacks the funds

i have personally said before the season ended that their might be a culture issues at UC that brannen is fostering..if you wanted to fire him for the culture he built, thats fine, but pay him his buyout... it was on UC to research this before they hired him, you both agreed to terms

the biggest allegation floating around about brannen is that the medical staff wanted to step in to stop practice but were scared...and some UC fans were outraged.. to me thats the same as people surprised coaches yell at players aggressively.. mainly because theyve only watch the game from a distance... that claim could be made for every team in history.. coaches push players in practice more than the should, its a thing... in "last chance u basketball" (east la jc), and "why not us" (nccu) there are scenes where the coaches kept making them run, and players desperately wanted to quit almost collapsing because they couldn't take it, but forced to finish the suicides anyways (the coaches in both shows are extremely loved, good people)

pay the man and move on....anything else is wrong...shouldn't have signed the contract

To your final point on the Last Chance U coaches - that absolutely exists. Heck, Cronin and Huggins were hardass coaches but their players loved him.

Brannen just doesn't appear to be a likeable guy and bordering on being socially inept. That's why he can't get away with the over the top practices. He just can't connect with his players and that would be a detriment to UC's program now and into the future. I'm almost glad this all is coming to a head now but the longer this drags out the worse the inherited situation will be for the next coach.

If you want the guy fired you better start raising funds because yall aren't getting out of the contract

(04-05-2021 02:50 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  

(04-05-2021 02:46 PM)JFlight21 Wrote:  

(04-05-2021 02:31 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-05-2021 02:07 PM)JFlight21 Wrote:  How is he an innocent man? The players hated him. He's an egotistical prick that disparaged players behind their backs and to recruits, pitted players against each other in the locker room, etc. How disconnected can you be from your players to not understood your entire freshman class is going to transfer once the season ends?

Maybe you're right and there is nothing for cause to fire him, but if Brannen wasn't a complete ******* we would not be in this situation. If he was merely a bad basketball coach, we wouldn't be in this situation. He created an untenable environment for his players and that's why we are here today. UC is doing what any university would do when they don't have money to pay the full buyout. Look at what UConn did to Ollie and he won them a national title. All we got was a multitude of terrible losses and two lost seasons of recruiting. Hopefully this is resolved by the weekend but I have my doubts...

im the most pro player person ever.. i always side with the player in 97% of the time in debates involving players where empathy is involved...
this isnt a player vs coach situation... its a coach vs a school thing, where a school is trying to weasel out of paying a man at all cost even if it means destroying his reputation ..

if UC had the money theyd have just fired him, and everyone would have moved on no matter the situation.... the sole issue is that UC lacks the funds

i have personally said before the season ended that their might be a culture issues at UC that brannen is fostering..if you wanted to fire him for the culture he built, thats fine, but pay him his buyout... it was on UC to research this before they hired him, you both agreed to terms

the biggest allegation floating around about brannen is that the medical staff wanted to step in to stop practice but were scared...and some UC fans were outraged.. to me thats the same as people surprised coaches yell at players aggressively.. mainly because theyve only watch the game from a distance... that claim could be made for every team in history.. coaches push players in practice more than the should, its a thing... in "last chance u basketball" (east la jc), and "why not us" (nccu) there are scenes where the coaches kept making them run, and players desperately wanted to quit almost collapsing because they couldn't take it, but forced to finish the suicides anyways (the coaches in both shows are extremely loved, good people)

pay the man and move on....anything else is wrong...shouldn't have signed the contract

To your final point on the Last Chance U coaches - that absolutely exists. Heck, Cronin and Huggins were hardass coaches but their players loved him.

Brannen just doesn't appear to be a likeable guy and bordering on being socially inept. That's why he can't get away with the over the top practices. He just can't connect with his players and that would be a detriment to UC's program now and into the future. I'm almost glad this all is coming to a head now but the longer this drags out the worse the inherited situation will be for the next coach.

If you want the guy fired you better start raising funds because yall aren't getting out of the contract

They'll settle at a number lower than $5.25M, but may not be much lower...

(04-05-2021 12:49 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(04-05-2021 12:21 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(04-05-2021 09:22 AM)pesik Wrote:  so this is supposedly going to be a legal mess.. according to all the updated articles there is no justifiable reason to fire him without a buyout.. and that cincy cant afford the 5mil buyout
there is no quick solution in sight outside of keeping him...

a few twitter folks have pointed out that longer this last the ore bad it will be for UC, both with recruiting and reputation

i am team brannen ..sorry UC fans, you signed a contract.. pay the buyout or keep him.. trying to tarnish his name to weasel out, leaves a really bad taste... someone noted that fickell is watching to see how it all plays out..
start a fundraiser ....do what you have to do but do it the right way

You may be right, but we'll have to see what all ends up coming out. The allegations I've seen paint a pretty bad picture of John. Not sure it's us tarnishing his name.

It's safe to say John won't be getting a head coaching job anywhere near this level any time soon. He'd probably be a pretty good assistant though.

there is nothing to come out or it would have already come out...cincy is looking for anything in every corner to find something to manipulate as bad ..

goodman said he already looked into both the players and his sources within the program who are AGAINST brannen, they said there was no physical or emotional abuse..that it was a lack of trust.

chad brandel has noted their hasnt been any violation or justifiable reason to fire with cause that has been found..yet
the worst ive heard is making te players practice too hard in covid situations... boo hoo.. it is 100% UC tarnishing his name...you are looking to find any thing that can be manipulated against him

i get it your a UC fans and want the best for UC. so youd be willing to tarnish an innocent mans names and career just so your school can have an easier situation.. but from an outside perspective looking in.. what you guys are doing is wrong

also branned has been NCAA or NIT (or would have been) 4 of the last 5 years, he isnt an assistant ..

Dude, you don't know him at all. I don't think you are qualified to speak on his personality or whether he is an innocent man. You aren't even remotely close to the program.

Stay in your lane.