As the past few UC fans have noted... there's just no putting the toothpaste back in the tube at this point. UC is either going to have to find something to hang their hat on or pay him his $5M to go softly into that good night. UC's AD came out and publicly said they are investigating him for claims made by players. If the AD comes back and says they have found nothing and Brannen is the guy JB is not going to be able to recruit... the fact there was an investigation will be used by every coach as way of negatively recruiting UC. Moreover, the entire fan base believes the guy should be gone. They won't be able to sell a ticket going forward with the exception of his extended friends and family in Greater Cincinnati.

(03-29-2021 10:16 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  As the past few UC fans have noted... there's just no putting the toothpaste back in the tube at this point. UC is either going to have to find something to hang their hat on or pay him his $5M to go softly into that good night. UC's AD came out and publicly said they are investigating him for claims made by players. If the AD comes back and says they have found nothing and Brannen is the guy JB is not going to be able to recruit... the fact there was an investigation will be used by every coach as way of negatively recruiting UC. Moreover, the entire fan base believes the guy should be gone. They won't be able to sell a ticket going forward with the exception of his extended friends and family in Greater Cincinnati.

Sounds like us with Tubby, except for the investigation part. The fan base gave up on him and literally walked out, with attendance dropping to Covid levels. Before Covid, lol.

I remember people here saying we shouldn't fire Tubby after 2 years, give him more time, etc. Nope. When 16K+ stop attending your games, and nobody is renewing their season tickets, and donations dry up, and the head coach tells us we need to lower our expectations, then he has to go, 2 years or 20 years.

Same with Brennan.

(03-29-2021 03:02 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-29-2021 10:16 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  As the past few UC fans have noted... there's just no putting the toothpaste back in the tube at this point. UC is either going to have to find something to hang their hat on or pay him his $5M to go softly into that good night. UC's AD came out and publicly said they are investigating him for claims made by players. If the AD comes back and says they have found nothing and Brannen is the guy JB is not going to be able to recruit... the fact there was an investigation will be used by every coach as way of negatively recruiting UC. Moreover, the entire fan base believes the guy should be gone. They won't be able to sell a ticket going forward with the exception of his extended friends and family in Greater Cincinnati.

Sounds like us with Tubby, except for the investigation part. The fan base gave up on him and literally walked out, with attendance dropping to Covid levels. Before Covid, lol.

I remember people here saying we shouldn't fire Tubby after 2 years, give him more time, etc. Nope. When 16K+ stop attending your games, and nobody is renewing their season tickets, and donations dry up, and the head coach tells us we need to lower our expectations, then he has to go, 2 years or 20 years.

Same with Brennan.

I think this time, it was the players walking out and not the fans that was the catalyst. Don’t get me wrong, fans aren’t happy. But it hasn’t been some fan revolt. It was a player revolt. And when it’s your entire freshman class, that’s not something you can survive with a job.

pesik has been understandably focusing on the ability to replace those players through the portal. Which is true. But from our ADs standpoint, he doesn’t trust him to lead the program forward and make those replacements. His roster has been a mess since he got here and he doesn’t trust him to fix it. He wants his own guy in there to try and patch things up. I get it, Brannen is a good basketball mind that doesn’t appear ready to handle the other factors that go into a high major coaching job.

(03-26-2021 12:00 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-26-2021 11:56 AM)Joprior23 Wrote:  So. What does Cincy do when the outside firm finds nothing that would help them fire Brannen for cause? He’s a lame duck now. You guys can’t afford the buyout. Good luck recruiting anyone over the next year that has actual options.

you come out with a statement of unequivocal support for him and that he will be our coach for years to come ..true or not true

Is Van Excel Coaching HS basketball in Cinci?

As stxrunner said, Brannen has a good basketball mind. People close to him have even described him as brilliant -- clearly a very smart guy. But at this level, your ability to manage people is more important than your ability to coach X's and O's. He had a lot of player turnover at NKU, but it's a lot easier to find guys at replacement level in the Horizon League than it is in the AAC.

Unless something comes out that we're not aware of, I think the wise thing to do would have been to give Brannen another year. We're cash strapped, and without the cloud now hanging over our staff, I think they could have pulled enough good transfers to field a competitive team. If you have a lot of guys hitting the transfer portal after next season and/or we fail to contend for an NCAA tournament birth, you fire him then when the buyout is more manageable and the optics are better. But at this point, the cat is out of the bag. He'll be out before the end of the week.

(03-29-2021 04:47 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-26-2021 12:00 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-26-2021 11:56 AM)Joprior23 Wrote:  So. What does Cincy do when the outside firm finds nothing that would help them fire Brannen for cause? He’s a lame duck now. You guys can’t afford the buyout. Good luck recruiting anyone over the next year that has actual options.

you come out with a statement of unequivocal support for him and that he will be our coach for years to come ..true or not true

Is Van Excel Coaching HS basketball in Cinci?

No. He’s some sort of NBA scout last I heard.

(03-29-2021 09:05 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(03-29-2021 09:00 AM)pesik Wrote:  im not sure he will be fired,
it is already confirmed there was no physical or emotional abuse by like 3 different media sources

according to those sources the players just felt they couldnt trust him anymore.. a team mostly freshman and sophomore, and didnt like how he handled certain things like covid

They're digging up compliance stuff on him, specifically CARA (Countable Athletically Related Activities). Basically, he's getting Ollie'd. He gone.

(03-29-2021 04:30 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(03-29-2021 03:02 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-29-2021 10:16 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  As the past few UC fans have noted... there's just no putting the toothpaste back in the tube at this point. UC is either going to have to find something to hang their hat on or pay him his $5M to go softly into that good night. UC's AD came out and publicly said they are investigating him for claims made by players. If the AD comes back and says they have found nothing and Brannen is the guy JB is not going to be able to recruit... the fact there was an investigation will be used by every coach as way of negatively recruiting UC. Moreover, the entire fan base believes the guy should be gone. They won't be able to sell a ticket going forward with the exception of his extended friends and family in Greater Cincinnati.

Sounds like us with Tubby, except for the investigation part. The fan base gave up on him and literally walked out, with attendance dropping to Covid levels. Before Covid, lol.

I remember people here saying we shouldn't fire Tubby after 2 years, give him more time, etc. Nope. When 16K+ stop attending your games, and nobody is renewing their season tickets, and donations dry up, and the head coach tells us we need to lower our expectations, then he has to go, 2 years or 20 years.

Same with Brennan.

I think this time, it was the players walking out and not the fans that was the catalyst. Don’t get me wrong, fans aren’t happy. But it hasn’t been some fan revolt. It was a player revolt. And when it’s your entire freshman class, that’s not something you can survive with a job.

pesik has been understandably focusing on the ability to replace those players through the portal. Which is true. But from our ADs standpoint, he doesn’t trust him to lead the program forward and make those replacements. His roster has been a mess since he got here and he doesn’t trust him to fix it. He wants his own guy in there to try and patch things up. I get it, Brannen is a good basketball mind that doesn’t appear ready to handle the other factors that go into a high major coaching job.

Good point. But whether it's a fan revolt or a player revolt, it's usually the same result. There is the similarity. It's an untenable position.

(03-29-2021 05:06 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(03-29-2021 04:47 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-26-2021 12:00 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-26-2021 11:56 AM)Joprior23 Wrote:  So. What does Cincy do when the outside firm finds nothing that would help them fire Brannen for cause? He’s a lame duck now. You guys can’t afford the buyout. Good luck recruiting anyone over the next year that has actual options.

you come out with a statement of unequivocal support for him and that he will be our coach for years to come ..true or not true

Is Van Excel Coaching HS basketball in Cinci?

No. He’s some sort of NBA scout last I heard.

Does he have any college coaching experience? Would you want him? I'm thinking no.

(03-29-2021 07:52 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-29-2021 05:06 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(03-29-2021 04:47 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-26-2021 12:00 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-26-2021 11:56 AM)Joprior23 Wrote:  So. What does Cincy do when the outside firm finds nothing that would help them fire Brannen for cause? He’s a lame duck now. You guys can’t afford the buyout. Good luck recruiting anyone over the next year that has actual options.

you come out with a statement of unequivocal support for him and that he will be our coach for years to come ..true or not true

Is Van Excel Coaching HS basketball in Cinci?

No. He’s some sort of NBA scout last I heard.

Does he have any college coaching experience? Would you want him? I'm thinking no.

He would need to finish his degree. He’s been around the NBA game a long time now as well.

USFFan

(04-03-2021 03:18 PM)usffan Wrote:  

USFFan

was all of this because he was being too tough on players?

(04-03-2021 03:30 PM)Agust Wrote:  

(04-03-2021 03:18 PM)usffan Wrote:  

USFFan

was all of this because he was being too tough on players?

No,,,It's because Cincy nor the AAC is in a position where mediocrity is acceptable at this point. Get it done Cincy.

I’m sure Archie is going to love walking into the mess created by Brannen and the AD.

UC ain't getting Archie at this point.

(04-03-2021 11:54 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  UC ain't getting Archie at this point.

Thanks goodness. Now go BIG and get a proven winner. Cincy is NOT a stepping stone job and if you have to take a chance then,,,,what's wrong with Nick Van Exel? I'm not trying be to snarky , just asking an honest question.

(04-04-2021 01:02 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(04-03-2021 11:54 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  UC ain't getting Archie at this point.

Thanks goodness. Now go BIG and get a proven winner. Cincy is NOT a stepping stone job and if you have to take a chance then,,,,what's wrong with Nick Van Exel? I'm not trying be to snarky , just asking an honest question.

1) NVE has a lack of HC experience at this point.
2) he also, apparently, never completed his degree.

The big thing is going to be budget. UC is on the hook for a $5M buyout to Brannen. Seeing as the situation is untenable, we're going to have to find that money somewhere. It also seems that the AD has lost the support of big money donors who used to step up and leverage a buy-out deal like this (or it would have been done last week). So, the money for the buy-out will have to come from the pot used for coaching salaries.

So... you can say "go big" all you want but it isn't going to happen.

Hard to see Cincy bouncing back from all of this in the short term. We will likely replace Brannen with another Horizon League coach who will struggle to accumulate talent and we turn into East Tulsa for the foreseeable future.

(04-04-2021 06:08 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(04-04-2021 01:02 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(04-03-2021 11:54 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  UC ain't getting Archie at this point.

Thanks goodness. Now go BIG and get a proven winner. Cincy is NOT a stepping stone job and if you have to take a chance then,,,,what's wrong with Nick Van Exel? I'm not trying be to snarky , just asking an honest question.

1) NVE has a lack of HC experience at this point.
2) he also, apparently, never completed his degree.

The big thing is going to be budget. UC is on the hook for a $5M buyout to Brannen. Seeing as the situation is untenable, we're going to have to find that money somewhere. It also seems that the AD has lost the support of big money donors who used to step up and leverage a buy-out deal like this (or it would have been done last week). So, the money for the buy-out will have to come from the pot used for coaching salaries.

So... you can say "go big" all you want but it isn't going to happen.

This is not good no matter how you look at it, Cincinnati and Temple, two supposed top of the conference basketball powers will be fielding JV teams for a few years due to poor coaching decisions.

PI - TIN - O!!! PI - TIN - O !!!