Is there anyone out there who would want some or all of the 4 MEAC baseball teams as affiliates? It seems doubtful that they’d be able to get back to 6.

(06-28-2021 06:39 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(06-28-2021 12:18 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(06-27-2021 11:39 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Hum, looks like MEAC Men's Golf joins the dead pile. Augusta was an associate member. They're down to three schools: Howard, UMES and NC Central. My guess is Howard's agreement with the NEC will likely see Men's Golf joining that conference. Not sure where UMEC and NC Central will park their Men's Golf. They must have a landing spot in mind, as I'm sure the SLC approached the MEAC schools as a whole.

I suspect the SLC will next target Morehead State and Tennessee-Martin for Beach Volleyball. No idea where they get a 6th for Men's Tennis.

The MEAC is in trouble, they need to find two more schools soon, or else the ones they have will look for homes elsewhere. And that leaves them one Men's team sport short of NCAA requirements for D-I conferences.

Golf and tennis aren't team sports. The MEAC is technically fine as is in terms of men's team sports with 6 football schools and 8 men's basketball schools. Although if they do lose another FB member, they need two more men's team sports besides basketball, and they of course do not have any others.

Howard, Delaware State, NC Central, Norfolk State and South Carolina State are all potential flight risks.

Morgan State is probably the only football school that is not a flight risk along with the non football schools of Coppin State and UMES

Who wants Delaware State and SC State? Howard, NCCU, and Norfolk I can see getting invites to other conferences, but who’s coming knocking on DSU’s door?

(06-28-2021 01:51 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Is there anyone out there who would want some or all of the 4 MEAC baseball teams as affiliates? It seems doubtful that they’d be able to get back to 6.

America East will be down to 7 in baseball with Hartford pulling out.

They could take the MEAC 4 plus UMBC and have a 5 team southern division if they wanted to. They dont need to do anything as they also sponsor lacrosse and soccer and are above the 6 team auto bid threshold, but if they wanted to pad their numbers it wouldn't be completely illogical. Could help a bit in travel costs for all.

SOUTH
Norfolk St
Coppin State
UMES
UMBC
Delaware State

NORTH
Maine
UMass Lowell
Albany
Binghamton
Stony Brook
NJIT

(06-28-2021 02:00 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(06-28-2021 06:39 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(06-28-2021 12:18 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(06-27-2021 11:39 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Hum, looks like MEAC Men's Golf joins the dead pile. Augusta was an associate member. They're down to three schools: Howard, UMES and NC Central. My guess is Howard's agreement with the NEC will likely see Men's Golf joining that conference. Not sure where UMEC and NC Central will park their Men's Golf. They must have a landing spot in mind, as I'm sure the SLC approached the MEAC schools as a whole.

I suspect the SLC will next target Morehead State and Tennessee-Martin for Beach Volleyball. No idea where they get a 6th for Men's Tennis.

The MEAC is in trouble, they need to find two more schools soon, or else the ones they have will look for homes elsewhere. And that leaves them one Men's team sport short of NCAA requirements for D-I conferences.

Golf and tennis aren't team sports. The MEAC is technically fine as is in terms of men's team sports with 6 football schools and 8 men's basketball schools. Although if they do lose another FB member, they need two more men's team sports besides basketball, and they of course do not have any others.

Howard, Delaware State, NC Central, Norfolk State and South Carolina State are all potential flight risks.

Morgan State is probably the only football school that is not a flight risk along with the non football schools of Coppin State and UMES

Who wants Delaware State and SC State? Howard, NCCU, and Norfolk I can see getting invites to other conferences, but who’s coming knocking on DSU’s door?

Delaware State seems to have made overtures to the NEC.

Eventually they might pay off, but being a state football school and aggressive about getting out, it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility. Clearly not a top choice, but if the NEC wanted a pair, Howard and Delaware State would make sense.

And SC State?

(06-28-2021 02:07 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  And SC State?

If the Big South needs a football school they would be available. 2 FB only affiliates from the north and 2 ASun schools help make up the 8 team Big South conference in the sport of football.

With only 4 all sports football members i could easily see a scenario where all 3 southern MEAC football schools are needed to preserve that football league.

The HBCU barrier has already been broken in that league too.

Again, nothing imminent, but say if the ASun's desired expansion results in the SoCon having to take Campbell as well as losing Kennesaw and UNA, the 3 southern MEAC schools would fit very well and solidify Big South football longterm.

The Big South does sponsor baseball and soccer so they don't NEED to have 6 football members, but they do like that auto bid as they are not a traditional FCS power

If i was ranking MEAC schools in terms of flight risk/desirability to others it would be
1. Howard
2. NC Central
3. Norfolk State
4. SC State
5. Delaware State
6. Morgan State
7/8. Coppin State/UMES

I know we’re in a SLC thread, but while we are on a general discussion about conferences on the verge of meeting minimum NCAA requirements, the MEAC will stay together until/unless:

a. A member decides they can’t financially afford D1 and drops to D2
b. NC Central and/or Norfolk St get an invite by a more geographically friendly conference (Big South, ASUN)

Morgan St, Coppin St, UMES, and SC St have no where to go. Howard seems content how things are but would be a full member of the NEC with one phone call if things ever blew up. Delaware St’s only move out is riding Howard’s coattails.

(06-28-2021 02:23 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I know we’re in a SLC thread, but while we are on a general discussion about conferences on the verge of meeting minimum NCAA requirements, the MEAC will stay together until/unless:

a. A member decides they can’t financially afford D1 and drops to D2
b. NC Central and/or Norfolk St get an invite by a more geographically friendly conference (Big South, ASUN)

Morgan St, Coppin St, UMES, and SC St have no where to go. Howard seems content how things are but would be a full member of the NEC with one phone call if things ever blew up. Delaware St’s only move out is riding Howard’s coattails.

Agree.

Based on their actions, Howard has everything line up to move to the NEC should the ship sink. They don't seem interested in sinking the ship though.

Based on the NEC's action, they do not seem too interested in Delaware State at all. Delaware State had to go to the Southland for Women's Golf even though the NEC took Howard's program. However, if Howard came on as all sports, 12 might work better than 11

Merrimack
Bryant
CCSU
Sacred Heart
LIU Brooklyn
St. Francis Brooklyn

Howard
Delaware St
Mt. St. Mary's
St. Francis PA
FDU
Wagner

You could even do travel partners or scheduling quads
Merrimack-Bryant
Sacred Heart-CCSU

LIU Brooklyn-St. Francis Brooklyn
Wagner-FDU

Howard-Delaware St
Mt. St. Mary's-St. Francis PA

Augusta made overtures to go D1 in the past for all sports. A-Sun would be the place. Same with Columbus State.
West Florida might be more interested in joining the A-Sun instead.

The D2 in MIAA that seemed to have a bigger plan to upgrade facilities is Central Oklahoma.
UCO sports:
baseball
wrestling
basketball
golf
football

Womens:
basketball
rowing
softball
cross country
soccer
track
tennis
volleyball

They could add Men's tennis, men's cross country/track and women's wrestling and one more sports.

UCO already did some major upgrades to their baseball facilities recently.

Augusta University m/w golf joins as affiliates
Francis Marion's Mens golf
Delaware State W's Golf

All three joins as affiliates.

(06-28-2021 06:25 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Augusta University m/w golf joins as affiliates
Francis Marion's Mens golf
Delaware State W's Golf

All three joins as affiliates.

Wow, how did we not know that. It was already posted in this thread 4 days ago.

(06-28-2021 02:01 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(06-28-2021 01:51 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Is there anyone out there who would want some or all of the 4 MEAC baseball teams as affiliates? It seems doubtful that they’d be able to get back to 6.

America East will be down to 7 in baseball with Hartford pulling out.

They could take the MEAC 4 plus UMBC and have a 5 team southern division if they wanted to. They dont need to do anything as they also sponsor lacrosse and soccer and are above the 6 team auto bid threshold, but if they wanted to pad their numbers it wouldn't be completely illogical. Could help a bit in travel costs for all.

SOUTH
Norfolk St
Coppin State
UMES
UMBC
Delaware State

NORTH
Maine
UMass Lowell
Albany
Binghamton
Stony Brook
NJIT

Nah. Not sure what AE gains by doing that.

(06-28-2021 02:15 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(06-28-2021 02:07 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  And SC State?

If the Big South needs a football school they would be available. 2 FB only affiliates from the north and 2 ASun schools help make up the 8 team Big South conference in the sport of football.

With only 4 all sports football members i could easily see a scenario where all 3 southern MEAC football schools are needed to preserve that football league.

The HBCU barrier has already been broken in that league too.

Again, nothing imminent, but say if the ASun's desired expansion results in the SoCon having to take Campbell as well as losing Kennesaw and UNA, the 3 southern MEAC schools would fit very well and solidify Big South football longterm.

The Big South does sponsor baseball and soccer so they don't NEED to have 6 football members, but they do like that auto bid as they are not a traditional FCS power

If i was ranking MEAC schools in terms of flight risk/desirability to others it would be
1. Howard
2. NC Central
3. Norfolk State
4. SC State
5. Delaware State
6. Morgan State
7/8. Coppin State/UMES

What do you base this on?

(06-28-2021 08:06 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  

(06-28-2021 02:15 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(06-28-2021 02:07 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  And SC State?

If the Big South needs a football school they would be available. 2 FB only affiliates from the north and 2 ASun schools help make up the 8 team Big South conference in the sport of football.

With only 4 all sports football members i could easily see a scenario where all 3 southern MEAC football schools are needed to preserve that football league.

The HBCU barrier has already been broken in that league too.

Again, nothing imminent, but say if the ASun's desired expansion results in the SoCon having to take Campbell as well as losing Kennesaw and UNA, the 3 southern MEAC schools would fit very well and solidify Big South football longterm.

The Big South does sponsor baseball and soccer so they don't NEED to have 6 football members, but they do like that auto bid as they are not a traditional FCS power

If i was ranking MEAC schools in terms of flight risk/desirability to others it would be
1. Howard
2. NC Central
3. Norfolk State
4. SC State
5. Delaware State
6. Morgan State
7/8. Coppin State/UMES

What do you base this on?

Howard's actions with other sports show to me they have the NEC ready to go in case of emergency

The southern 3 would fit well in a Big South in need of additional football schools. They are ranked how I perceive the Big South would want them

Delaware St is a "State" brand school and would fit with Howard should the NEC want a pair of D1 football schools

Morgan State plays football if someone is desperate

Coppin State and UMES are warm.bodies like Chicago State

(06-28-2021 08:41 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(06-28-2021 08:06 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  

(06-28-2021 02:15 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(06-28-2021 02:07 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  And SC State?

If the Big South needs a football school they would be available. 2 FB only affiliates from the north and 2 ASun schools help make up the 8 team Big South conference in the sport of football.

With only 4 all sports football members i could easily see a scenario where all 3 southern MEAC football schools are needed to preserve that football league.

The HBCU barrier has already been broken in that league too.

Again, nothing imminent, but say if the ASun's desired expansion results in the SoCon having to take Campbell as well as losing Kennesaw and UNA, the 3 southern MEAC schools would fit very well and solidify Big South football longterm.

The Big South does sponsor baseball and soccer so they don't NEED to have 6 football members, but they do like that auto bid as they are not a traditional FCS power

If i was ranking MEAC schools in terms of flight risk/desirability to others it would be
1. Howard
2. NC Central
3. Norfolk State
4. SC State
5. Delaware State
6. Morgan State
7/8. Coppin State/UMES

What do you base this on?

Howard's actions with other sports show to me they have the NEC ready to go in case of emergency

The southern 3 would fit well in a Big South in need of additional football schools. They are ranked how I perceive the Big South would want them

Delaware St is a "State" brand school and would fit with Howard should the NEC want a pair of D1 football schools

Morgan State plays football if someone is desperate

Coppin State and UMES are warm.bodies like Chicago State

Howard is literally the school the saved the MEAC about a year ago. Their President and AD have been very instrumental in not only keeping the other schools in the league but reaching out to to schools like Virginia State. Unless something crazy happens the MEAC doesn't have to worry about anyone else leaving for the moment.

(06-28-2021 08:54 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  

(06-28-2021 08:41 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(06-28-2021 08:06 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  

(06-28-2021 02:15 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(06-28-2021 02:07 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  And SC State?

If the Big South needs a football school they would be available. 2 FB only affiliates from the north and 2 ASun schools help make up the 8 team Big South conference in the sport of football.

With only 4 all sports football members i could easily see a scenario where all 3 southern MEAC football schools are needed to preserve that football league.

The HBCU barrier has already been broken in that league too.

Again, nothing imminent, but say if the ASun's desired expansion results in the SoCon having to take Campbell as well as losing Kennesaw and UNA, the 3 southern MEAC schools would fit very well and solidify Big South football longterm.

The Big South does sponsor baseball and soccer so they don't NEED to have 6 football members, but they do like that auto bid as they are not a traditional FCS power

If i was ranking MEAC schools in terms of flight risk/desirability to others it would be
1. Howard
2. NC Central
3. Norfolk State
4. SC State
5. Delaware State
6. Morgan State
7/8. Coppin State/UMES

What do you base this on?

Howard's actions with other sports show to me they have the NEC ready to go in case of emergency

The southern 3 would fit well in a Big South in need of additional football schools. They are ranked how I perceive the Big South would want them

Delaware St is a "State" brand school and would fit with Howard should the NEC want a pair of D1 football schools

Morgan State plays football if someone is desperate

Coppin State and UMES are warm.bodies like Chicago State

Howard is literally the school the saved the MEAC about a year ago. Their President and AD have been very instrumental in not only keeping the other schools in the league but reaching out to to schools like Virginia State. Unless something crazy happens the MEAC doesn't have to worry about anyone else leaving for the moment.

You must have missed the part in this thread where I said: "Based on their actions, Howard has everything line up to move to the NEC should the ship sink. They don't seem interested in sinking the ship though"

My personal opinion is that the southern flank is the most likely to move on if the Big South needs more football schools in the future. Howard has their ducks in a row if/When that happens, but isn't going to be the one to pull the trigger on the MEAC
But they could today if they wanted to.

No prior Southland connections but prior to the Pac-12, this new hire did work in the DFW area at Conference USA.

(06-28-2021 02:38 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(06-28-2021 02:23 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I know we’re in a SLC thread, but while we are on a general discussion about conferences on the verge of meeting minimum NCAA requirements, the MEAC will stay together until/unless:

a. A member decides they can’t financially afford D1 and drops to D2
b. NC Central and/or Norfolk St get an invite by a more geographically friendly conference (Big South, ASUN)

Morgan St, Coppin St, UMES, and SC St have no where to go. Howard seems content how things are but would be a full member of the NEC with one phone call if things ever blew up. Delaware St’s only move out is riding Howard’s coattails.

Agree.

Based on their actions, Howard has everything line up to move to the NEC should the ship sink. They don't seem interested in sinking the ship though.

Based on the NEC's action, they do not seem too interested in Delaware State at all. Delaware State had to go to the Southland for Women's Golf even though the NEC took Howard's program. However, if Howard came on as all sports, 12 might work better than 11

Merrimack
Bryant
CCSU
Sacred Heart
LIU Brooklyn
St. Francis Brooklyn

Howard
Delaware St
Mt. St. Mary's
St. Francis PA
FDU
Wagner

You could even do travel partners or scheduling quads
Merrimack-Bryant
Sacred Heart-CCSU

LIU Brooklyn-St. Francis Brooklyn
Wagner-FDU

Howard-Delaware St
Mt. St. Mary's-St. Francis PA

Not a bad idea, but it seems rather charitable. Why give up a 1 in 7 chance at the post season for a 1 in 11?

(06-29-2021 12:58 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(06-28-2021 02:38 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(06-28-2021 02:23 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I know we’re in a SLC thread, but while we are on a general discussion about conferences on the verge of meeting minimum NCAA requirements, the MEAC will stay together until/unless:

a. A member decides they can’t financially afford D1 and drops to D2
b. NC Central and/or Norfolk St get an invite by a more geographically friendly conference (Big South, ASUN)

Morgan St, Coppin St, UMES, and SC St have no where to go. Howard seems content how things are but would be a full member of the NEC with one phone call if things ever blew up. Delaware St’s only move out is riding Howard’s coattails.

Agree.

Based on their actions, Howard has everything line up to move to the NEC should the ship sink. They don't seem interested in sinking the ship though.

Based on the NEC's action, they do not seem too interested in Delaware State at all. Delaware State had to go to the Southland for Women's Golf even though the NEC took Howard's program. However, if Howard came on as all sports, 12 might work better than 11

Merrimack
Bryant
CCSU
Sacred Heart
LIU Brooklyn
St. Francis Brooklyn

Howard
Delaware St
Mt. St. Mary's
St. Francis PA
FDU
Wagner

You could even do travel partners or scheduling quads
Merrimack-Bryant
Sacred Heart-CCSU

LIU Brooklyn-St. Francis Brooklyn
Wagner-FDU

Howard-Delaware St
Mt. St. Mary's-St. Francis PA

Not a bad idea, but it seems rather charitable. Why give up a 1 in 7 chance at the post season for a 1 in 11?

NEC already has 10. If they get Howard, do they want 11? 11 is workable but someone will always have an off day in conference play

My bad—I meant to reply to the person suggesting that America East take the 4 MEAC baseball schools