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Football really has 11 on offense, 11 on defense, 11 on kickoff returns, 11 on kickoffs, 11 on punt returns, 11 on punts, 11 on field goals, 11 on field goal defense. There is some crossover but it's not as much as people assume. You are also rotating in at least 2 deep on defense and 2-3 deep at WR, TE, and RB.

There are over 100 players on a college football team.

Additionally, football is where the money is and that is all that matters. You arent taking away football scholarships to give to baseball, which has a couple hundred spectators and bleeds money.

(07-12-2021 11:51 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Football really has 11 on offense, 11 on defense, 11 on kickoff returns, 11 on kickoffs, 11 on punt returns, 11 on punts, 11 on field goals, 11 on field goal defense. There is some crossover but it's not as much as people assume. You are also rotating in at least 2 deep on defense and 2-3 deep at WR, TE, and RB.

There are over 100 players on a college football team.

Additionally, football is where the money is and that is all that matters. You arent taking away football scholarships to give to baseball, which has a couple hundred spectators and bleeds money.

I understand all of the above, although I believe there is a good bit of crossover.
I'm also not saying take away from football to give baseball. I'm saying take away from football and you don't have to make up so many women's scholarships for title IX.

Also, I'm onboard with football being the $ maker and as I stated its the only program that I really follow, but the delta in scholarships is huge. (then again so is the delta in revenue football generates)

(07-12-2021 11:03 AM)ODUwildman Wrote:  

(07-12-2021 10:18 AM)The Flagship Wrote:  Also, if you want to know why wrestling was cut, note the number of scholarships.

I don't understand this comment. Wrestling's 9.9 and couldn't even fully stock a starting lineup (10 athletes). Wrestling is one of the sports where you don't have the flexibility to move athletes around as much. Baseball, you can move outfielders around, you can put players in different positions - in wrestling, you're not making the 174-pounder a 133-pounder if someone gets hurt.

Baseball's 11.7 is absurd, but I'm not following the "want to know why wrestling was cut" line as it relates to yet another men's sport the NCAA scholarship limits won't allow an entire starting squad to have a full scholarship.

My point is that there are two factors: scholarship balance (Title IX) and program cost. Adding more women's sports would cost a lot of money (think softball complex). So it came down to cutting a mens program. I'm guessing it came down to baseball, swimming and diving, and wrestling. S/D was probably saved because we already have a womens team and there is no added cost to maintain the pool for the men. So it was either baseball or wrestling. They probably wanted to keep a spring sport even though maintaining the baseball facility is more costly than maintaining wrestling facilities.

Trust me, I'm not happy losing any sport, but difficult decisions had to be made and I'm just drilling down on some of the factors in that process.

5 Rounds are complete in the MLB draft and no Monarchs were chosen yet.

Hunter Gregory picked in the 8th round by Toronto

(07-12-2021 02:26 PM)The Flagship Wrote:  

(07-12-2021 11:03 AM)ODUwildman Wrote:  

(07-12-2021 10:18 AM)The Flagship Wrote:  Also, if you want to know why wrestling was cut, note the number of scholarships.

I don't understand this comment. Wrestling's 9.9 and couldn't even fully stock a starting lineup (10 athletes). Wrestling is one of the sports where you don't have the flexibility to move athletes around as much. Baseball, you can move outfielders around, you can put players in different positions - in wrestling, you're not making the 174-pounder a 133-pounder if someone gets hurt.

Baseball's 11.7 is absurd, but I'm not following the "want to know why wrestling was cut" line as it relates to yet another men's sport the NCAA scholarship limits won't allow an entire starting squad to have a full scholarship.

My point is that there are two factors: scholarship balance (Title IX) and program cost. Adding more women's sports would cost a lot of money (think softball complex). So it came down to cutting a mens program. I'm guessing it came down to baseball, swimming and diving, and wrestling. S/D was probably saved because we already have a womens team and there is no added cost to maintain the pool for the men. So it was either baseball or wrestling. They probably wanted to keep a spring sport even though maintaining the baseball facility is more costly than maintaining wrestling facilities.

Trust me, I'm not happy losing any sport, but difficult decisions had to be made and I'm just drilling down on some of the factors in that process.

Admin drilled it into the ground and couldn’t be forward thinking. Could have added emerging sport (women’s wrestling, approved during Covid) at a minimal cost - same coaches, same facilities, smaller travel footprint. ODU could have again been a leader in women’s sports, but that would be forward thinking. Wood took the soft way out - like always.

Gregory taken by the Blue Jays in the 8th, slot value for the pick is $170,300. As a Junior he does have some leverage

Aaron Holiday just went to the Oakland A's in the 13th round. Like Gregory he has leverage as a junior with eligibility remaining. It'll be interesting to see what they offer and if he can get six figures to sign.

Surprised they are the only two so far.

(07-13-2021 11:57 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  Surprised they are the only two so far.

Yeah. I'm selfishly hoping our Juniors return.

(07-13-2021 12:00 PM)The Flagship Wrote:  

(07-13-2021 11:57 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  Surprised they are the only two so far.

Yeah. I'm selfishly hoping our Juniors return.

Yes, we want as many returning as possible for purely selfish reasons.

Ryne Moore selected by the Brewers in the 18th round.

Bummed Kyle Battle didn't get the call. Hopefully he signs on with an org as an undrafted free agent or latches on in Indy ball ASAP to get some looks.

(07-13-2021 01:47 PM)Old Dom Swag Wrote:  Bummed Kyle Battle didn't get the call. Hopefully he signs on with an org as an undrafted free agent or latches on in Indy ball ASAP to get some looks.

I expect Battle and Tommy Bell to get scooped up quickly on the free agent market. The big question mark is Garriola. Does he come back or does he sign? Free agency isn’t ideal now for underclassmen so I assume he comes back but you never know until they do.

It really doesn't make a ton of sense for Bell and Garriola to sign as UDFA. Not if they believe in themselves.

Even Holiday should probably come back. I think he could dominate next year if he gets his control in order.

(07-13-2021 03:04 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  It really doesn't make a ton of sense for Bell and Garriola to sign as UDFA. Not if they believe in themselves.

Even Holiday should probably come back. I think he could dominate next year if he gets his control in order.

And Moore should too. But I won’t count on any coming back until we know for sure.

(07-13-2021 03:18 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(07-13-2021 03:04 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  It really doesn't make a ton of sense for Bell and Garriola to sign as UDFA. Not if they believe in themselves.

Even Holiday should probably come back. I think he could dominate next year if he gets his control in order.

And Moore should too. But I won’t count on any coming back until we know for sure.

Yeah, I forgot about him. That would be a major coup for us to have him back. Plus we have a couple waiting in the wings to announce once the draft gets settled.

(07-13-2021 02:04 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(07-13-2021 01:47 PM)Old Dom Swag Wrote:  Bummed Kyle Battle didn't get the call. Hopefully he signs on with an org as an undrafted free agent or latches on in Indy ball ASAP to get some looks.

I expect Battle and Tommy Bell to get scooped up quickly on the free agent market. The big question mark is Garriola. Does he come back or does he sign? Free agency isn’t ideal now for underclassmen so I assume he comes back but you never know until they do.

I have a feeling the mistake Garriola made during the Summer of 2019 is part of the reason he wasn’t drafted.

Hopefully he has a chance to prove that it was a mistake.

Bummed for Battle. I really thought someone would take him.

(07-13-2021 06:02 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(07-13-2021 02:04 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(07-13-2021 01:47 PM)Old Dom Swag Wrote:  Bummed Kyle Battle didn't get the call. Hopefully he signs on with an org as an undrafted free agent or latches on in Indy ball ASAP to get some looks.

I expect Battle and Tommy Bell to get scooped up quickly on the free agent market. The big question mark is Garriola. Does he come back or does he sign? Free agency isn’t ideal now for underclassmen so I assume he comes back but you never know until they do.

I have a feeling the mistake Garriola made during the Summer of 2019 is part of the reason he wasn’t drafted.

Hopefully he has a chance to prove that it was a mistake.

I'm thinking it was his performance in Columbia.