(03-09-2021 02:06 PM)Ourland Wrote: ADs typically hire coaches who are "in coaching." This is where RU's problem lies. He's not a coach. He's a physician. This is why I find this discussion to be so nonsensical every time it comes up. Not to knock RU more than I already have, but there are literally thousands of coaches out there right now who know the X"s and O's just as well and better than him. Rice needs to find just one of those men before it "rolls the dice" on a fine gentleman who practices medicine. I am not doubting his knowledge of offensive schemes/strategy, but he'll have to apply that knowledge successfully on at least the JUCO level. I don't see him being considered for even a volunteer coaching position at Rice unless he can do that.
I thought my response was fairly clear, but I'll try it in another way.
It's not even really worth responding to this. To be a volunteer assistant at Rice doesn't take any qualifications whatsoever... outside of a desire and I'd hope, some knowledge of the game.
MUCH of what RU espouses wouldn't work especially well on the JUCO level... which is important because RICE IS NOT A JUCO!! Remember when Applewhite said something to the effect of, these guys are smart so I can do things that I couldn't do at other places?? If it would work well at a JUCO then it doesn't make Rice any different than anywhere else. It certainly doesn't take advantage of anything UNIQUE to Rice. Whether or not RU is an answer, I think it CLEAR that your way of selecting coaches hasn't been working.
Joe Moglia was a low level coach from 1968-1983 and then dropped out of coaching completely for 25 years. While certainly different, I see nothing in that resume that implies any ability to succeed at any level in coaching... and nothing that differentiates himself very much from RU. Apparently he didn't either so he went into business.
25 years later he was given a 'volunteer assistant' position at Nebraska (which has MANY more and more experienced people wanting THAT gig than a job at Rice), he bought himself an unimpressive 4 game coaching stint in Omaha minor leagues (1-3) and Coastal Carolina then hired him as their HEAD coach, where he went 56-22 with 3+ 'coach of the year' awards.
There was NO MORE in his resume than RUs to suggest that he should have been hired as a volunteer for Nebraska and CERTAINLY not as head coach for Coastal Carolina... a school where in their first 8 years of playing football they went 63-39... which is VASTLY better against their competition than we have been for most of the past 70 years.
So I suppose my question is, why do you seem to believe that Nebraska should be willing to take a greater risk on a Volunteer assistant than Rice? And please don't tell me 'money'.... because Nebraska already has a whole lot more of that than Rice.
After a year or so of that, why do you seem to believe that Coastal Carolina should be willing to take a greater risk on a head coach than Rice? CC went 11-1 last year in the Sun Belt beating Kansas, #21 ULL and #13 BYU.
So CC was better than we've been (against their competition) when he joined them... Better when he left... and even better (and clearly better than us) afterwards
SO why are they 'stupid' for taking that risk but we're smart?
If you don't believe his schemes will make a difference, that's a different story from what you're arguing here. I can't disprove what hasn't happened and of course I'd suggest there be a meeting of the minds to discuss viability... What you're arguing here though is that somehow we are 'above' doing something unconventional... and that conventional methods are the way we should be going. The steady decline in our rankings despite the significant money that has been added to the coffers and budgets over the same period argues against you.
If its not RU, that's fine... but it needs to be someone who does something different and/or who can connect to students, alums and our physical community better than the last 5 guys or more... preferably 'and'. If you want him to be 'in coaching' then the best way to find out if that is viable is to put him on the staff in some capacity and see if things work at all. If they work AT ALL as a part-time volunteer assistant, they should work EVEN BETTER as a paid assistant (which surprisingly can be competitive to what GPs now make) and even better as an OC or HC.... and if they don't work at all, you've QUITE LITERALLY risked nothing... a volunteer assistant position. Much like the Applewhite being interviewed as QB coach who ends up being OC, I think RU would be worth much more than that and demonstrate it in any serious discussion on the matter,... but you said volunteer...