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RE: New football assistant coach
(03-06-2021 02:28 AM)Ourland Wrote:  Leave RU alone. He's a doctor California, if I'm not mistaken. He'd rather cure humans than Rice Football, and I don't blame him. RU, quit teasing us. If you want to coach, come jump back in. If not, leave us alone with your coaching innuendos. It's a tired schtick. None of it is amusing anymore from both sides.

I won't speak for RU here, but I will make some logical assumptions. This is MY opinion based on lots of conversations, but nothing that he has ever said.

- A doctor makes a lot more than a HS football coach. It would be detrimental to his family for him to make that jump and start all over.

- While he has a passion for both Football and Medicine, his TRUE passion regarding football is for what I would refer to as 'Rice' style football, where you're working with true students, relatively high IQ people.... and not guys for whom you have to dumb down a concept or a conversation in order to get them to understand you. While many guys at many schools would understand him, there would be significant portions of them who would not. Rice guys would. Other coaches have noted it.

- When he was in Cali, his only real option was to get hired as a full time coach at a salary at least in the ballpark of Medicine. Now that he's moving to Texas, there is at least some opportunity to get him involved as a consultant or other capacity so that he can demonstrate his value and worth... HOWEVER...

- The challenge in coaching is that it is mostly an apprenticeship field... where people are expected to 'pay their dues' in order to advance... but more significantly, the best decision for a young coach to make is to do exactly what everyone else does... because that opens thousands of potential doors for you... but the guy who (as an example) specializes in 'something different' is going to be vastly more limited in their potential destinations.... or if you do it and are successful, that others will copy what you did and make it all the less special. They won't just be copying you from game films, but they will be hiring you away... and then the place you used to work will take those people you taught the 'game' to and keep it... That's how these 'Belichick' coaching tree dynasties happen, with one key difference... Belichick is the head coach. He is having assistants hired away to be head coaches... and when he hires a new coach to replace that one, they grow up in the method. That's entirely different from having an 'ASSISTANT" be the key cog to the method... because its too easy to hire him away and if you do, its hard to replace what he did, since HE was the key cog. I hope that's clear... because its a key concept.

Because of Rice's affinity for RU and the type of player Rice is likely to recruit and attract... and with him returning to the area, I believe there is an opportunity to figure something out here.... BUT... It involves buy in from either Bloom or Karlgaard... (much more from JK if it doesn't have bloom)

I'd like to see Bloom (by HIS choice) have some conversations with RU... and give his concepts regarding (especially) offense some consideration to see if he can find some way to incorporate RU. I'd also like to see JK do the same, because its not just about the product on the field. You have to leverage EVERYTHING that you have.

What I don't want is what has happened so far, where conversations take place but the only 'buy in' is to take the 'free' ideas and try and do them in a way that works with what they're already doing or with their own thoughts... which means you're most often not really buying in.... you're just taking free advice and sticking to your own plan with a few modifications. Said differently... If you're going to try and reach out to healthcare workers in the med center to make a connection between sports and healthcare, the message coming from someone who has never worked in healthcare isn't as effective as form one who has... because you don't know the personalities and language and challenges.

In the simplest example, we spoke earlier about establishing the run. If that is your offense then you can't really incorporate RUs concepts... because a defense will simply shut down the run and you spend the rest of the game beating your head against the wall. It doesn't mean you can't run... far from it. WHat it means is that you aren't 'taking what the defense gives you' and establishing the run by taking them OUT of a defense that targets the run. You have to be able to adapt on the fly if you're going to 'take what they give you'. Adapting on the fly and adapting on the sideline (meerkat) are not the same thing. An RPO is 'adaptation on the fly 101'.
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(03-08-2021 11:44 AM)ruowls Wrote:  
(03-06-2021 02:37 PM)Ourland Wrote:  
(03-06-2021 09:37 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
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(03-06-2021 09:10 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  MYOB

I’m not taking sides, but this is an open discussion forum. If you don’t want others jumping in, take the discussion to PM’s.

I guess I should have expanded my response, so here goes:

MYOB. Don't be telling RU what to do. If he wants to practice medicine or coach football or both or neither, that's his business.

RU obviously doesn't want to coach, or he would be doing it. Quit embarrassing yourselves. You guys are a bunch of donkeys being led around by a carrot on a stick.

You don't know much. I have an affinity for my schools. And history has shown that I am more than willing to help. I had a friend and former teammate from HS who I played with who was the head coach. He was a O lineman in school and asked me to help fix their passing game. So, I advised him for a year and then became his OC for 3 years. I have helped my son's youth team and coached it as well as worked with his HS team. He is currently a sophomore and didn't get to play this season. He is actually a very good QB and is already 6-3. He wants to play FBS football and would love to go to Rice. Rice would be lucky to have him.

As for Rice, I have invested a tremendous amount of sweat for Rice. It is my school and I would love nothing more than to fix Rice football. Just so you know, I played football there. Even when I was there, the receiver coach told me one day that for that day I was going to teach the receivers what it was that I actually did as the coaches had no idea how I did what I did. So I do have a history of coaching at Rice to improve their passing game (even if it was just for a day). A little more information about me and my time at Rice. I played receiver. I was a team captain, AP honorable mention All-American, All-SWC, and Academic All-SWC as a receiver. I was invited to the Colts camp as a free agent. I also was offered a job to be the receiver coach at Vanderbilt. I chose to go to medical school and practice medicine. I am selective in where and who I will coach and Rice is on the list. So go ahead and tell me what you think I will and will not do or what you think I am capable in accomplishing.
By the way, starting next week, I will be a resident of Texas and living in a north Houston city and be a Texas doctor and my son will be a HS QB in TX so he can be closer to more of the colleges he is interested in.
I will always look at Rice football as my team and want the best for it and want to fix it if requested. I can watch Rice sports with my family and share my passion with them if Rice and it's fans don't share my passion for the betterment of Rice football.

Trust me, we're all familiar with the superlatives. They've been listed here ad nauseum. I think it's awesome that you love Rice Football, and that you feel you can coach on the collegiate FBS level. Now it's time to act. Contact Joe Karlgaard. Tell him you are ready to be considered seriously for a coaching position. Welcome back to Texas.
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(03-08-2021 04:43 PM)Ourland Wrote:  Trust me, we're all familiar with the superlatives. They've been listed here ad nauseum. I think it's awesome that you love Rice Football, and that you feel you can coach on the collegiate FBS level. Now it's time to act. Contact Joe Karlgaard. Tell him you are ready to be considered seriously for a coaching position. Welcome back to Texas.

He did, when Bailiff was here and the suggestion of a meeting with Bailiff was made. I don't remember the precise response but it was highly dismissive. There were conversations about coaching, working with the med center either internally or as a third party... all sorts of thoughts. This is where some of the specific ideas were tried, without the key descriptors that created a potential point of connection.

I won't go into any more detail here, but if you'd like more I'd provide it via PM or phone. My purpose isn't to bash any of these people, it is merely to say that there has been a strong tendency to stick to plans that have worked elsewhere or at other times, despite the clear differences in inputs.
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It takes guts for an AD to make a non-standard hire. We used to have an AD with guts, who hired an aging JUCO coach for us.
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(03-08-2021 05:56 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  It takes guts for an AD to make a non-standard hire. We used to have an AD with guts, who hired an aging JUCO coach for us.

An AD with Rice ties, if I remember correctly.
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(03-08-2021 05:56 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  It takes guts for an AD to make a non-standard hire. We used to have an AD with guts, who hired an aging JUCO coach for us.

Conveniently forgetting that that JUCO coach had 5 national championships in 6 seasons before being hired by that AD? Yes, it was a gutsy hire, but not nearly as gutsy as you paint it. He was a home run hire on paper for any AD who was willing to take the chance.
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(03-08-2021 11:40 PM)markbrindley Wrote:  
(03-08-2021 05:56 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  It takes guts for an AD to make a non-standard hire. We used to have an AD with guts, who hired an aging JUCO coach for us.

Conveniently forgetting that that JUCO coach had 5 national championships in 6 seasons before being hired by that AD? Yes, it was a gutsy hire, but not nearly as gutsy as you paint it. He was a home run hire on paper for any AD who was willing to take the chance.

But only one was willing to take the chance. Lots of others had the chance, but passed on it to make more conventional hires.
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(03-09-2021 12:53 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(03-08-2021 11:40 PM)markbrindley Wrote:  
(03-08-2021 05:56 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  It takes guts for an AD to make a non-standard hire. We used to have an AD with guts, who hired an aging JUCO coach for us.

Conveniently forgetting that that JUCO coach had 5 national championships in 6 seasons before being hired by that AD? Yes, it was a gutsy hire, but not nearly as gutsy as you paint it. He was a home run hire on paper for any AD who was willing to take the chance.

But only one was willing to take the chance. Lots of others had the chance, but passed on it to make more conventional hires.

That's the point.

If hiring a LOCAL guy with 5 national JUCO championships to coach what was at the time a middling college program for minor dollars is a 'gutsy hire' that takes someone 'willing to take a chance'... what does that tell you about the 'easy' hires? SOME of whom haven't won anything (other than a few games) at ANY level?

Vandy hired Watson and Duke hired Fred... who were respected but really hadn't won much/anything yet... and paid a LOT more than we paid Wayne. Those weren't considered 'gutsy' hires... but hiring a 5 time National JUCO baseball coach is??
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Going back to the origins of this discussion, it would take a "gutsy' AD to hire RU as OC or better. The safe choice is some guy who has served as OC or a top assistant or a former HC. Those are conventional hires. They won't get the AD fired as quickly or easily as a nonconventional hire that fails would. We have had dozens of those. We have one now. We do not have a gutsy AD.

I have to admit, Ru's discussions make my eyes cross. I do not understand football in that depth. I actually prefer simple explanations I can understand like 'pound the rock" or "throw it where they ain't".

And when RU started talking about working here and I realized he was serious, I did not push for him, solely because I would hate to see somebody throw away a career like medicine just to get "Bailiff-ized" by the piranhas here if the results were not as good or as quick as hoped for. I would expect half the patience we have given Bloom.

But now, after decades of conventional hires and standard excuses about needing to recruit better players/more locally/more nationally, I am ready to take a chance on RU, as he is the only one on the horizon I see who seems to be able to take the guys we have NOW and make them more productive - winners. I am ready to try the unconventional approach. The conventional approach does not work for Rice in the modern era. Not the TCU model, not the Boise State model, not the USC model, not any other model. Rice is unique. And I am tired of hearing about the "young hungry assistant".

Wayne came here because Bobby was the only AD who would take the chance on an aging coach with no major college experience. Not withstanding the 5 JUCO championships, that is the most unconventional hire in Rice history - and it turned out to be the best. Kudos to Bobby. Not his only coup. IMO, the best AD we ever had, including Del Conte.

It will never happen, as conventional ADs are way too scared of rolling the dice and having it come up snake eyes. Plus nobody asks me or guys like me. But if it did happen, I think Rice would be the better for it. I would hope RU would be too.

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ADs typically hire coaches who are "in coaching." This is where RU's problem lies. He's not a coach. He's a physician. This is why I find this discussion to be so nonsensical every time it comes up. Not to knock RU more than I already have, but there are literally thousands of coaches out there right now who know the X"s and O's just as well and better than him. Rice needs to find just one of those men before it "rolls the dice" on a fine gentleman who practices medicine. I am not doubting his knowledge of offensive schemes/strategy, but he'll have to apply that knowledge successfully on at least the JUCO level. I don't see him being considered for even a volunteer coaching position at Rice unless he can do that.
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(03-09-2021 02:06 PM)Ourland Wrote:  ADs typically hire coaches who are "in coaching." This is where RU's problem lies. He's not a coach. He's a physician. This is why I find this discussion to be so nonsensical every time it comes up. Not to knock RU more than I already have, but there are literally thousands of coaches out there right now who know the X"s and O's just as well and better than him. Rice needs to find just one of those men before it "rolls the dice" on a fine gentleman who practices medicine. I am not doubting his knowledge of offensive schemes/strategy, but he'll have to apply that knowledge successfully on at least the JUCO level. I don't see him being considered for even a volunteer coaching position at Rice unless he can do that.

I thought my response was fairly clear, but I'll try it in another way.

It's not even really worth responding to this. To be a volunteer assistant at Rice doesn't take any qualifications whatsoever... outside of a desire and I'd hope, some knowledge of the game.

MUCH of what RU espouses wouldn't work especially well on the JUCO level... which is important because RICE IS NOT A JUCO!! Remember when Applewhite said something to the effect of, these guys are smart so I can do things that I couldn't do at other places?? If it would work well at a JUCO then it doesn't make Rice any different than anywhere else. It certainly doesn't take advantage of anything UNIQUE to Rice. Whether or not RU is an answer, I think it CLEAR that your way of selecting coaches hasn't been working.

Joe Moglia was a low level coach from 1968-1983 and then dropped out of coaching completely for 25 years. While certainly different, I see nothing in that resume that implies any ability to succeed at any level in coaching... and nothing that differentiates himself very much from RU. Apparently he didn't either so he went into business.

25 years later he was given a 'volunteer assistant' position at Nebraska (which has MANY more and more experienced people wanting THAT gig than a job at Rice), he bought himself an unimpressive 4 game coaching stint in Omaha minor leagues (1-3) and Coastal Carolina then hired him as their HEAD coach, where he went 56-22 with 3+ 'coach of the year' awards.

There was NO MORE in his resume than RUs to suggest that he should have been hired as a volunteer for Nebraska and CERTAINLY not as head coach for Coastal Carolina... a school where in their first 8 years of playing football they went 63-39... which is VASTLY better against their competition than we have been for most of the past 70 years.

So I suppose my question is, why do you seem to believe that Nebraska should be willing to take a greater risk on a Volunteer assistant than Rice? And please don't tell me 'money'.... because Nebraska already has a whole lot more of that than Rice.

After a year or so of that, why do you seem to believe that Coastal Carolina should be willing to take a greater risk on a head coach than Rice? CC went 11-1 last year in the Sun Belt beating Kansas, #21 ULL and #13 BYU.

So CC was better than we've been (against their competition) when he joined them... Better when he left... and even better (and clearly better than us) afterwards

SO why are they 'stupid' for taking that risk but we're smart?

If you don't believe his schemes will make a difference, that's a different story from what you're arguing here. I can't disprove what hasn't happened and of course I'd suggest there be a meeting of the minds to discuss viability... What you're arguing here though is that somehow we are 'above' doing something unconventional... and that conventional methods are the way we should be going. The steady decline in our rankings despite the significant money that has been added to the coffers and budgets over the same period argues against you.

If its not RU, that's fine... but it needs to be someone who does something different and/or who can connect to students, alums and our physical community better than the last 5 guys or more... preferably 'and'. If you want him to be 'in coaching' then the best way to find out if that is viable is to put him on the staff in some capacity and see if things work at all. If they work AT ALL as a part-time volunteer assistant, they should work EVEN BETTER as a paid assistant (which surprisingly can be competitive to what GPs now make) and even better as an OC or HC.... and if they don't work at all, you've QUITE LITERALLY risked nothing... a volunteer assistant position. Much like the Applewhite being interviewed as QB coach who ends up being OC, I think RU would be worth much more than that and demonstrate it in any serious discussion on the matter,... but you said volunteer...
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I'm familiar with Joe Moglia. He left coaching to become a CEO for a major corporation if I'm not mistaken. He returned to coach Coastal Carolina football from it's inception, and did a remarkable job until he retired. RU will have to do exactly what he did to be taken seriously as a coaching candidate, but he knows this. He'll have to leave his practice behind completely and get on as a volunteer or paid assistant somewhere to prove himself before he gets a gig as an OC or head coach. And let's keep in mind that Moglia is a very rare talent. He's the exception, not the rule. RU may be a mastermind offensive genius for all I know, but it would take a lot of perseverance, hard work, and even some luck for him to pull it off. Impossible? No. Unlikely? Yes. Be it far from me to say it can't be done. I'm ready to lend my support in any way.
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(03-10-2021 12:16 AM)Ourland Wrote:  I'm familiar with Joe Moglia. He left coaching to become a CEO for a major corporation if I'm not mistaken. He returned to coach Coastal Carolina football from it's inception, and did a remarkable job until he retired. RU will have to do exactly what he did to be taken seriously as a coaching candidate, but he knows this. He'll have to leave his practice behind completely and get on as a volunteer or paid assistant somewhere to prove himself before he gets a gig as an OC or head coach. And let's keep in mind that Moglia is a very rare talent. He's the exception, not the rule. RU may be a mastermind offensive genius for all I know, but it would take a lot of perseverance, hard work, and even some luck for him to pull it off. Impossible? No. Unlikely? Yes. Be it far from me to say it can't be done. I'm ready to lend my support in any way.

Your posts can be a little inflammatory. Some of your assumptions are based in your proclivity for the establishment. There is precedent for what myself and others have advocated. It helps to actually look at some of the history of college football and adopt some elements of the past.

First, there have been physician college football coaches in the past. I have posted before that there have been 11 of them and 10 had career winning records. The cumulative winning percentage is above .600 which is significantly greater than the historical Rice winning percentage in football.

Eddie Anderson has elements to emulate. He was a physician who finished with a career coaching record of 201-128-15. Other than him being a physician, the two important points to take are that he was knowledgeable in both football and medicine. A point that you state is essentially unattainable. Secondly, he worked in the University of Iowa Hospital while coaching. He was actually offered the Department Head for the Urology Department if he left coaching. He declined to keep coaching. So, not only can a physician do both and do them well, but they may choose football over medicine. More importantly though, this was a guide to establishing a direct link between healthcare and football. Ironically, Stanford does give an example of this type of direct link as well. Don Bunce was the QB for Stanford for the 1971 Rose Bowl game in which Stanford upset highly regarded Michigan. He became an orthopedic surgeon that worked at the Stanford Hospital and was active with Stanford Football. Speaking of Stanford football, it is also interesting that the origins of "pound the rock" date back to a visionary coach they hired. Clark Shaughnessy was hired in 1940. This was controversial and some thought at the time that this was just a ploy to eliminate football. There were 2 Stanford alums who were in the mix to be hired and one of them actually replaced Shaughnessy. At any rate, all Shaughnessy did at Stanford was lead them to a 16-3 record and come up with the T formation which is the basis for the modern Pro Offense. Sid Luckman took the T formation and developed the modern passing game that would prove to be the basis for the West Coast Offense as well as the Air Coryell Offense. Also, a teammate of Luckman with the Chicago Bears would become a college coach in California and implement a passing offense there and go on to mentor a kid who would go to Rice and play football.

The real precedent for this particular situation is Cal. Cal hired Joe Kapp to be their head coach with absolutely no prior coaching experience. Absolutely none. Also ironically, this hire lead to me coming to Rice instead of Stanford.

So, precedent shows that it is more than plausible for Rice to make such a move. It could accomplish many of the goals that Rice has stated it is trying to achieve. So, it comes back to what some here have been saying. Unfortunately, some, like yourself, want to perpetuate a belief that doing things "by the book" is the path to improve Rice's fortunes.
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(03-10-2021 12:16 AM)Ourland Wrote:  I'm familiar with Joe Moglia. He left coaching to become a CEO for a major corporation if I'm not mistaken. He returned to coach Coastal Carolina football from it's inception, and did a remarkable job until he retired. RU will have to do exactly what he did to be taken seriously as a coaching candidate, but he knows this. He'll have to leave his practice behind completely and get on as a volunteer or paid assistant somewhere to prove himself before he gets a gig as an OC or head coach. And let's keep in mind that Moglia is a very rare talent. He's the exception, not the rule. RU may be a mastermind offensive genius for all I know, but it would take a lot of perseverance, hard work, and even some luck for him to pull it off. Impossible? No. Unlikely? Yes. Be it far from me to say it can't be done. I'm ready to lend my support in any way.

To the bottom, you and I are in the same boat. We both support successful Rice athletics (especially football) and we want 'whatever' gets us there.

I'd note some significant contributory errors in your timeline. I say contributory because they actually somewhat represent my position.

Joe didn't leave coaching to become CEO of a major corporation. He left coaching to join a Training program for Merrill Lynch rookies. I was in the same program a few years after that... so I know what it was like. I was 22... most were 26-28... Joe was around 40. Joe certainly ROSE to that position, but it took 15 years or so. He was not a successful coach who was hired to be a CEO because of his coaching success. He was starting over after an unimpressive coaching record. iirc, he left coaching when Dartmouth dropped football in 1983. I recall Deron MIller joining us at that time. Clearly Joe found his calling at Merrill.

Joe also wasn't the first coach for CC. He joined them in 2012 and they started in 2003. In those 9 years, they on their conference 4 times and made the FCS playoffs numerous times. The first coach there went 63-39. This was NOT a 'struggling' program he was taking over. Why did THEY take that risk? To hire someone whose only previous COACHING experience was 1yr as a Volunteer assistant and an unimpressive start as a coach that he quit 20 years earlier?

SO Joe was a relatively unsuccessful football coach by any measure... Apparently he LEARNED to be a great coach by working OUTSIDE of coaching (learning to lead people, evaluate leadership talent and build teams) and then I guess spending a year at Nebraska as a volunteer.

Yes, it is unique... but so is Rice and our situation. We can't do what everyone else does and expect the same, much less better results.... and the evidence of that is that we are are routinely trending towards the middle (at best) of our conferences (with some highs and lows).

I think we should consider RU... While I have more confidence than most because of my familiarity with him and his ideas, I completely understand that ideas are not a guarantee of success. He needs to be vetted both as a coach and his ideas as a 'business' (which I have been part of)... but the 'safe' answer for an AD (Joe Moglia wasn't a 'safe' answer for Coastal Carolina)... isn't working for us.

SO between myself and RU, we're about as close to Joe Moglia as you can get (LOL)
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RU for coach and Ham for AD.
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RE: New football assistant coach
(03-10-2021 12:33 PM)ruowls Wrote:  
(03-10-2021 12:16 AM)Ourland Wrote:  I'm familiar with Joe Moglia. He left coaching to become a CEO for a major corporation if I'm not mistaken. He returned to coach Coastal Carolina football from it's inception, and did a remarkable job until he retired. RU will have to do exactly what he did to be taken seriously as a coaching candidate, but he knows this. He'll have to leave his practice behind completely and get on as a volunteer or paid assistant somewhere to prove himself before he gets a gig as an OC or head coach. And let's keep in mind that Moglia is a very rare talent. He's the exception, not the rule. RU may be a mastermind offensive genius for all I know, but it would take a lot of perseverance, hard work, and even some luck for him to pull it off. Impossible? No. Unlikely? Yes. Be it far from me to say it can't be done. I'm ready to lend my support in any way.

Your posts can be a little inflammatory. Some of your assumptions are based in your proclivity for the establishment. There is precedent for what myself and others have advocated. It helps to actually look at some of the history of college football and adopt some elements of the past.

First, there have been physician college football coaches in the past. I have posted before that there have been 11 of them and 10 had career winning records. The cumulative winning percentage is above .600 which is significantly greater than the historical Rice winning percentage in football.

Eddie Anderson has elements to emulate. He was a physician who finished with a career coaching record of 201-128-15. Other than him being a physician, the two important points to take are that he was knowledgeable in both football and medicine. A point that you state is essentially unattainable. Secondly, he worked in the University of Iowa Hospital while coaching. He was actually offered the Department Head for the Urology Department if he left coaching. He declined to keep coaching. So, not only can a physician do both and do them well, but they may choose football over medicine. More importantly though, this was a guide to establishing a direct link between healthcare and football. Ironically, Stanford does give an example of this type of direct link as well. Don Bunce was the QB for Stanford for the 1971 Rose Bowl game in which Stanford upset highly regarded Michigan. He became an orthopedic surgeon that worked at the Stanford Hospital and was active with Stanford Football. Speaking of Stanford football, it is also interesting that the origins of "pound the rock" date back to a visionary coach they hired. Clark Shaughnessy was hired in 1940. This was controversial and some thought at the time that this was just a ploy to eliminate football. There were 2 Stanford alums who were in the mix to be hired and one of them actually replaced Shaughnessy. At any rate, all Shaughnessy did at Stanford was lead them to a 16-3 record and come up with the T formation which is the basis for the modern Pro Offense. Sid Luckman took the T formation and developed the modern passing game that would prove to be the basis for the West Coast Offense as well as the Air Coryell Offense. Also, a teammate of Luckman with the Chicago Bears would become a college coach in California and implement a passing offense there and go on to mentor a kid who would go to Rice and play football.

The real precedent for this particular situation is Cal. Cal hired Joe Kapp to be their head coach with absolutely no prior coaching experience. Absolutely none. Also ironically, this hire lead to me coming to Rice instead of Stanford.

So, precedent shows that it is more than plausible for Rice to make such a move. It could accomplish many of the goals that Rice has stated it is trying to achieve. So, it comes back to what some here have been saying. Unfortunately, some, like yourself, want to perpetuate a belief that doing things "by the book" is the path to improve Rice's fortunes.

When Bloomgren is gone, apply for the job.
03-10-2021 02:58 PM
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