(03-05-2021 10:05 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-04-2021 10:21 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Now, I'm a damn kicker... but how do you defend 'timing and rhythm passing plays'? You crowd/stuff the line and play physical off the ball... you jump the slants and hitches. YOu don't have to cover for long. You drop a defensive lineman or have him 'soft rush' and simply put his hands up. How do you defeat this? You have a very tall QB (which we aren't as likely as most to get) a very ACCURATE QB (which we aren't as likely as most to get) or a very PHYSICAL WR (also which we aren't likely to get)... and that assumes that you are playing tight. The alternative is to keep everything in front of you and let the offense run clock and gain yards... and then tighten the screws inside the 20 by bringing up the safeties (because you have an extra defender against the deep ball). This is what teams did in 2021, where iirc, we had a 19 play drive for a FG. How do you defeat this defensive philosophy? It says how in the quote... by having superior open field players who can take a short pass and turn it into a big play, which again, we aren't as likely to get as others.
So the scheme seems all about having better Jimmy's and Joe's than the defense.... and given our academic requirements, I STILL don't see how that works.
I DO have some respect for Marques... so there is that.

Well, you were a very good kicker, and you had a very good holder who knows a thing or two about offensive football. I'm sure he imparted some of that wisdom.

I've said all along that I thought the tall, accurate QB might be even harder to recruit for this scheme than the big offensive linemen. What I think we can recruit is the Jovoni Johnson type. We can get lots of kids that are a good HS QBs that TexasU and aTm and LSU say, "Come here and play safety," but they want to play QB. And that's not a guy who can sit in the pocket and throw darts. That's a guy that you get on the run and force the defense out of shape. And that offense is not "pound the rock."

Well, after 50+ years of watching recruiting, I think I am now fully converted to the idea that we need coaches who can win with what we have, whatever that is. I can only think of one. His name is not Bloomgren.

(03-05-2021 10:27 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Well, after 50+ years of watching recruiting, I think I am now fully converted to the idea that we need coaches who can win with what we have, whatever that is. I can only think of one. His name is not Bloomgren.

What we have to do is recruit well enough to narrow the gap and then scheme and execute well enough to overcome the gap. Among other implications, the scheme has to reflect the talent that we can expect to get, and we have to get the talent that fits our scheme.

(03-05-2021 10:48 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-05-2021 10:27 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Well, after 50+ years of watching recruiting, I think I am now fully converted to the idea that we need coaches who can win with what we have, whatever that is. I can only think of one. His name is not Bloomgren.

What we have to do is recruit well enough to narrow the gap and then scheme and execute well enough to overcome the gap. Among other implications, the scheme has to reflect the talent that we can expect to get, and we have to get the talent that fits our scheme.

As is the case for the last 50 years+, the plans always start with better recruiting, so by definition it won't get better for several years. I want somebody who can walk on this campus today, and start winning this fall, with the guys we have. Winning will take care of recruiting.

(03-04-2021 10:21 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  RU... Here is the specific lines from your link that jumped out at me...

Quote:In the passing game, play-callers, and Musgrave in particular, call timing and rhythm passing plays that have high percentage completion rates, such as slants, hitches and the like.

With QBs making quick progression reads, it allows receivers to catch the ball in plenty of space, creating opportunities for incredibly athletic players such as Nikko Remigio in the slot and Polk on the outside to get easy receptions and create yards after the catch for big gains.

Now, I'm a damn kicker... but how do you defend 'timing and rhythm passing plays'? You crowd/stuff the line and play physical off the ball... you jump the slants and hitches. YOu don't have to cover for long. You drop a defensive lineman or have him 'soft rush' and simply put his hands up. How do you defeat this? You have a very tall QB (which we aren't as likely as most to get) a very ACCURATE QB (which we aren't as likely as most to get) or a very PHYSICAL WR (also which we aren't likely to get)... and that assumes that you are playing tight. The alternative is to keep everything in front of you and let the offense run clock and gain yards... and then tighten the screws inside the 20 by bringing up the safeties (because you have an extra defender against the deep ball). This is what teams did in 2021, where iirc, we had a 19 play drive for a FG. How do you defeat this defensive philosophy? It says how in the quote... by having superior open field players who can take a short pass and turn it into a big play, which again, we aren't as likely to get as others.

So the scheme seems all about having better Jimmy's and Joe's than the defense.... and given our academic requirements, I STILL don't see how that works.

I DO have some respect for Marques... so there is that.

You are one smart kicker.

Since we are talking passing game.....Absolutely you can jam receivers at the line if they are running quick routes like slants. One of the few absolute no nos for a QB is to throw a quick out into a press defender.
One of the big keys in defending a receiver is to gain the inside underneath position. And this position includes the flight vector (throwing lane) of the football to the receiver (ie: dropping a DL or LB under the receiver or getting their hand up and in the way). The problem with the press is that the initial contact is the key and if you can beat the press you can beat the defense if you then run the route in a way that clears a path for the throwing lane. You don't need the most accurate passer when this happens and you don't have to make the QB run. In the open field, the defense will need a deep cover over the press. In the red zone they do not as the back endzone line acts in this capacity. The problem with running the QB is that the defense does alter but in a bad way for the offense. It compresses the coverage and decreases space and ability for receivers to open a throwing lane. Yes the run threat forces the defense to account for the QB and pulls a defender out of coverage but moving the QB also compresses the field which negates this advantage and may actually require a more accurate pass as the throwing lane is compressed as well.
Additionally, the best way to slow down a fast receiver is to get in their way. It is like blocking in NASCAR. Make them maneuver through traffic and let the slower cars drive up to their inside rear bumper while they are getting impeded.
Gotta go do COVID testing now but I will be back.

(03-05-2021 11:24 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-05-2021 10:48 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-05-2021 10:27 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Well, after 50+ years of watching recruiting, I think I am now fully converted to the idea that we need coaches who can win with what we have, whatever that is. I can only think of one. His name is not Bloomgren.

What we have to do is recruit well enough to narrow the gap and then scheme and execute well enough to overcome the gap. Among other implications, the scheme has to reflect the talent that we can expect to get, and we have to get the talent that fits our scheme.

As is the case for the last 50 years+, the plans always start with better recruiting, so by definition it won't get better for several years. I want somebody who can walk on this campus today, and start winning this fall, with the guys we have. Winning will take care of recruiting.

Well...I am waiting for the call.

(03-05-2021 11:40 AM)ruowls Wrote:  

(03-05-2021 11:24 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-05-2021 10:48 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-05-2021 10:27 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Well, after 50+ years of watching recruiting, I think I am now fully converted to the idea that we need coaches who can win with what we have, whatever that is. I can only think of one. His name is not Bloomgren.

What we have to do is recruit well enough to narrow the gap and then scheme and execute well enough to overcome the gap. Among other implications, the scheme has to reflect the talent that we can expect to get, and we have to get the talent that fits our scheme.

As is the case for the last 50 years+, the plans always start with better recruiting, so by definition it won't get better for several years. I want somebody who can walk on this campus today, and start winning this fall, with the guys we have. Winning will take care of recruiting.

Well...I am waiting for the call.

Aren’t we all...

Waiting for that call to you that is.

(03-05-2021 11:24 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-05-2021 10:48 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-05-2021 10:27 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Well, after 50+ years of watching recruiting, I think I am now fully converted to the idea that we need coaches who can win with what we have, whatever that is. I can only think of one. His name is not Bloomgren.

What we have to do is recruit well enough to narrow the gap and then scheme and execute well enough to overcome the gap. Among other implications, the scheme has to reflect the talent that we can expect to get, and we have to get the talent that fits our scheme.

As is the case for the last 50 years+, the plans always start with better recruiting, so by definition it won't get better for several years. I want somebody who can walk on this campus today, and start winning this fall, with the guys we have. Winning will take care of recruiting.

Well, first you have to take the ones you have and get them to play better. The question is whether you adapt your scheme to them or force them to adapt to your scheme. And it seems to me that the question that needs to be asked and answered is, "Is what we have now indicative of what we can recruit?" If Jovoni Johnson is indicative of what kind of QB you can recruit, then you need to adapt your scheme to your talent. If you think you can recruit something different, maybe you just plug square pegs into round holes for now and hope the right guys show up.

I don't see recruiting as quantitative--so many 4 stars, so many 3 stars--as much as qualitative--get the people to run the schemes I want. I don't think we can get the tall, accurate drop-back passer, but I think we can get a bunch of Jovoni Johnson types--kids who were good HS QBs but TexasU and aTm and LSU say, "Come here and we will let you play safety," and he still wants to play QB. I don't think we can get the dominant O-lineman or D-linemen, but I think we can get a bunch who are a bit smaller, but quick and athletic, and who can play on either side of the ball with the right schemes. With those right schemes, I think we can look at unique talents at each position and recruit people who can be effective in OUR system, without having to go up against the big boys for the 4 and 5 stars.

The scheme that we can do that in cannot be "pound the rock." It just can't. We can't get the linemen and we can't get the QBs, among others.

But you are absolutely right about one thing. In order to have any credibility recruiting, we can't be winning 2-3 games a year. We have to win with what we have in order to have recruiting credibility

(03-05-2021 02:19 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Well, first you have to take the ones you have and get them to play better.

Exactly my point. let's start there.

Quote:But you are absolutely right about one thing. In order to have any credibility recruiting, we can't be winning 2-3 games a year. We have to win with what we have in order to have recruiting credibility

Again, exactly my point. But I disagree on one major point: I am right on more than one thing.

(03-05-2021 11:37 AM)ruowls Wrote:  Gotta go do COVID testing now but I will be back.

Did you pass?

Couldn't agree more with the 'you have to win with what you've got' comments to gain credibility... because these kids have a 2-4yr horizon MAX. If they can't see their team winning a lot within 2 years, you lose a lot of people. It's one thing to say, we're 7-5 without you but we'd be 10-2 with you... and something else to say we're 4-8 without you and 7-5 with you (or worse).

If you can't do that... if you're 3 years in and still trying to get to 0.500... what in the HELL is going to make a kid think that you'll really be around for the next 4 years? Or that if you are, that its because you've 'figured it out'.

I'm not saying that it has no chance of success... Not at all.... but I'm saying that the boat is still sinking and the same size bucket that's not kept up to this point isn't likely (in most people's minds) to suddenly start working better. MOST people are going to think that you've got to get another bucket or a bigger bucket or a secondary bailing source or SOMETHING other than what you're currently doing. You're not having what few successful coaches you've had hired away, but instead you're REPLACING coaches who haven't lived up to expectations.

(03-05-2021 06:39 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(03-05-2021 11:37 AM)ruowls Wrote:  Gotta go do COVID testing now but I will be back.

Did you pass?

Couldn't agree more with the 'you have to win with what you've got' comments to gain credibility... because these kids have a 2-4yr horizon MAX. If they can't see their team winning a lot within 2 years, you lose a lot of people. It's one thing to say, we're 7-5 without you but we'd be 10-2 with you... and something else to say we're 4-8 without you and 7-5 with you (or worse).

If you can't do that... if you're 3 years in and still trying to get to 0.500... what in the HELL is going to make a kid think that you'll really be around for the next 4 years? Or that if you are, that its because you've 'figured it out'.

I'm not saying that it has no chance of success... Not at all.... but I'm saying that the boat is still sinking and the same size bucket that's not kept up to this point isn't likely (in most people's minds) to suddenly start working better. MOST people are going to think that you've got to get another bucket or a bigger bucket or a secondary bailing source or SOMETHING other than what you're currently doing. You're not having what few successful coaches you've had hired away, but instead you're REPLACING coaches who haven't lived up to expectations.

You have to ask if I pass? Much to Owl #s chagrin, I will always pass.

I have been negative on my 2 COVID tests in the past and I have had both immunizations. So, I am good at passing in multiple aspects. I was actually saying I had to go do the telemedicine screenings and order the tests for others.

(03-05-2021 07:34 PM)ruowls Wrote:  You have to ask if I pass? Much to Owl #s chagrin, I will always pass.

(03-05-2021 07:34 PM)ruowls Wrote:  You have to ask if I pass? Much to Owl #s chagrin, I will always pass.

I have no problem with passing. I just want a competent running game to go with it, and you have promised that. Of course, Bloomgren promised that too.

Leave RU alone. He's a doctor California, if I'm not mistaken. He'd rather cure humans than Rice Football, and I don't blame him. RU, quit teasing us. If you want to coach, come jump back in. If not, leave us alone with your coaching innuendos. It's a tired schtick. None of it is amusing anymore from both sides.

(03-06-2021 02:28 AM)Ourland Wrote:  Leave RU alone. He's a doctor California, if I'm not mistaken. He'd rather cure humans than Rice Football, and I don't blame him. RU, quit teasing us. If you want to coach, come jump back in. If not, leave us alone with your coaching innuendos. It's a tired schtick. None of it is amusing anymore from both sides.

MYOB

(03-06-2021 09:10 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-06-2021 02:28 AM)Ourland Wrote:  Leave RU alone. He's a doctor California, if I'm not mistaken. He'd rather cure humans than Rice Football, and I don't blame him. RU, quit teasing us. If you want to coach, come jump back in. If not, leave us alone with your coaching innuendos. It's a tired schtick. None of it is amusing anymore from both sides.

MYOB

I’m not taking sides, but this is an open discussion forum. If you don’t want others jumping in, take the discussion to PM’s.

(03-06-2021 09:34 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(03-06-2021 09:10 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-06-2021 02:28 AM)Ourland Wrote:  Leave RU alone. He's a doctor California, if I'm not mistaken. He'd rather cure humans than Rice Football, and I don't blame him. RU, quit teasing us. If you want to coach, come jump back in. If not, leave us alone with your coaching innuendos. It's a tired schtick. None of it is amusing anymore from both sides.

MYOB

I’m not taking sides, but this is an open discussion forum. If you don’t want others jumping in, take the discussion to PM’s.

I guess I should have expanded my response, so here goes:

MYOB. Don't be telling RU what to do. If he wants to practice medicine or coach football or both or neither, that's his business.

(03-06-2021 09:37 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-06-2021 09:34 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(03-06-2021 09:10 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-06-2021 02:28 AM)Ourland Wrote:  Leave RU alone. He's a doctor California, if I'm not mistaken. He'd rather cure humans than Rice Football, and I don't blame him. RU, quit teasing us. If you want to coach, come jump back in. If not, leave us alone with your coaching innuendos. It's a tired schtick. None of it is amusing anymore from both sides.

MYOB

I’m not taking sides, but this is an open discussion forum. If you don’t want others jumping in, take the discussion to PM’s.

I guess I should have expanded my response, so here goes:

MYOB. Don't be telling RU what to do. If he wants to practice medicine or coach football or both or neither, that's his business.

RU obviously doesn't want to coach, or he would be doing it. Quit embarrassing yourselves. You guys are a bunch of donkeys being led around by a carrot on a stick.

(03-06-2021 02:37 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(03-06-2021 09:37 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-06-2021 09:34 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(03-06-2021 09:10 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-06-2021 02:28 AM)Ourland Wrote:  Leave RU alone. He's a doctor California, if I'm not mistaken. He'd rather cure humans than Rice Football, and I don't blame him. RU, quit teasing us. If you want to coach, come jump back in. If not, leave us alone with your coaching innuendos. It's a tired schtick. None of it is amusing anymore from both sides.

MYOB

I’m not taking sides, but this is an open discussion forum. If you don’t want others jumping in, take the discussion to PM’s.

I guess I should have expanded my response, so here goes:

MYOB. Don't be telling RU what to do. If he wants to practice medicine or coach football or both or neither, that's his business.

RU obviously doesn't want to coach, or he would be doing it. Quit embarrassing yourselves. You guys are a bunch of donkeys being led around by a carrot on a stick.

RU can defend himself.

All I’ll say is the rule of holes applies here. Stop digging!

(03-06-2021 02:37 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(03-06-2021 09:37 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-06-2021 09:34 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(03-06-2021 09:10 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-06-2021 02:28 AM)Ourland Wrote:  Leave RU alone. He's a doctor California, if I'm not mistaken. He'd rather cure humans than Rice Football, and I don't blame him. RU, quit teasing us. If you want to coach, come jump back in. If not, leave us alone with your coaching innuendos. It's a tired schtick. None of it is amusing anymore from both sides.

MYOB

I’m not taking sides, but this is an open discussion forum. If you don’t want others jumping in, take the discussion to PM’s.

I guess I should have expanded my response, so here goes:

MYOB. Don't be telling RU what to do. If he wants to practice medicine or coach football or both or neither, that's his business.

RU obviously doesn't want to coach, or he would be doing it. Quit embarrassing yourselves. You guys are a bunch of donkeys being led around by a carrot on a stick.

You don't know much. I have an affinity for my schools. And history has shown that I am more than willing to help. I had a friend and former teammate from HS who I played with who was the head coach. He was a O lineman in school and asked me to help fix their passing game. So, I advised him for a year and then became his OC for 3 years. I have helped my son's youth team and coached it as well as worked with his HS team. He is currently a sophomore and didn't get to play this season. He is actually a very good QB and is already 6-3. He wants to play FBS football and would love to go to Rice. Rice would be lucky to have him.

As for Rice, I have invested a tremendous amount of sweat for Rice. It is my school and I would love nothing more than to fix Rice football. Just so you know, I played football there. Even when I was there, the receiver coach told me one day that for that day I was going to teach the receivers what it was that I actually did as the coaches had no idea how I did what I did. So I do have a history of coaching at Rice to improve their passing game (even if it was just for a day). A little more information about me and my time at Rice. I played receiver. I was a team captain, AP honorable mention All-American, All-SWC, and Academic All-SWC as a receiver. I was invited to the Colts camp as a free agent. I also was offered a job to be the receiver coach at Vanderbilt. I chose to go to medical school and practice medicine. I am selective in where and who I will coach and Rice is on the list. So go ahead and tell me what you think I will and will not do or what you think I am capable in accomplishing.
By the way, starting next week, I will be a resident of Texas and living in a north Houston city and be a Texas doctor and my son will be a HS QB in TX so he can be closer to more of the colleges he is interested in.
I will always look at Rice football as my team and want the best for it and want to fix it if requested. I can watch Rice sports with my family and share my passion with them if Rice and it's fans don't share my passion for the betterment of Rice football.

(03-08-2021 11:44 AM)ruowls Wrote:  

(03-06-2021 02:37 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(03-06-2021 09:37 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-06-2021 09:34 AM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(03-06-2021 09:10 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  MYOB

I’m not taking sides, but this is an open discussion forum. If you don’t want others jumping in, take the discussion to PM’s.

I guess I should have expanded my response, so here goes:

MYOB. Don't be telling RU what to do. If he wants to practice medicine or coach football or both or neither, that's his business.

RU obviously doesn't want to coach, or he would be doing it. Quit embarrassing yourselves. You guys are a bunch of donkeys being led around by a carrot on a stick.

You don't know much. I have an affinity for my schools. And history has shown that I am more than willing to help. I had a friend and former teammate from HS who I played with who was the head coach. He was a O lineman in school and asked me to help fix their passing game. So, I advised him for a year and then became his OC for 3 years. I have helped my son's youth team and coached it as well as worked with his HS team. He is currently a sophomore and didn't get to play this season. He is actually a very good QB and is already 6-3. He wants to play FBS football and would love to go to Rice. Rice would be lucky to have him.

As for Rice, I have invested a tremendous amount of sweat for Rice. It is my school and I would love nothing more than to fix Rice football. Just so you know, I played football there. Even when I was there, the receiver coach told me one day that for that day I was going to teach the receivers what it was that I actually did as the coaches had no idea how I did what I did. So I do have a history of coaching at Rice to improve their passing game (even if it was just for a day). A little more information about me and my time at Rice. I played receiver. I was a team captain, AP honorable mention All-American, All-SWC, and Academic All-SWC as a receiver. I was invited to the Colts camp as a free agent. I also was offered a job to be the receiver coach at Vanderbilt. I chose to go to medical school and practice medicine. I am selective in where and who I will coach and Rice is on the list. So go ahead and tell me what you think I will and will not do or what you think I am capable in accomplishing.
By the way, starting next week, I will be a resident of Texas and living in a north Houston city and be a Texas doctor and my son will be a HS QB in TX so he can be closer to more of the colleges he is interested in.
I will always look at Rice football as my team and want the best for it and want to fix it if requested. I can watch Rice sports with my family and share my passion with them if Rice and it's fans don't share my passion for the betterment of Rice football.

Welcome to Texas! Look forward to having you here!