I consider myself reasonably intelligent. I have doubts that he was referencing such a study. That guy lied so much that there are literally thousands of documented lies from just during his term. It’s unfortunate that all his lies made it impossible to tell when he was sharing important, true info.

I do assume all politicians are lying when they say something that sounds suspect. Then I “do my own research” to see what’s crackin for reals.

(02-03-2021 02:52 PM)Bill Wrote:  

(02-03-2021 11:19 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(02-03-2021 10:13 AM)Bill Wrote:  

(02-02-2021 04:07 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Clearly this thread is continuing to spiral toward getting moved to OT, but I have to ask, and I sincerely am looking for the answer. Why didn’t the former administration direct the CDC to make similar changes?

The Trump admin did that many times, asked the CDC to stop lumping the cold, flu and covid into one "Covid positive" group, asked them to separate deaths with "co-morbidities" but the CDC simply said no. If they did, Bridgeforth would've been packed with mask free fans last September. Don't forget, way back in March 2020, Trump was asked what the death rate would be and said "way less than 1%" and the fake news media mocked him for it. They implored us to accept the panic inducing 2.2% "the experts" at the CDC and WHO were saying it would be. What is the death rate today? 0.4%, or way less than 1%. As I said, the CDC did finally make changes to their reporting rules, hours after Biden was installed as president.

Interesting. So they made the exact changes the former administration requested, but only after a new administration took office?

Let me summarize the CDC's reporting rules for the H1N1 virus and Covid19 virus:

H1N1 reporting rules under Obama: "we only count actual infections"
Covid reporting rules under Trump: "new rules, we now count any positive test regardless of symptoms (and our testing methods are so bad most positives are actually negatives, but whatever)"
Covid reporting rules under Biden: "new rules, we are going back to only counting actual infections"

So they made the exact changes the former administration requested, but only after a new administration took office?

(02-03-2021 08:49 AM)Dukester Wrote:  My wife and I were talking last night, and (less Covid) we don't ever remember a more healthy winter for the general population. My corporate office of about 100, at times had half the staff with cold or coughs in prior years. I would frequently get that lagging cough they would last for a month. My wife runs a day care with kids having perpetual runny noses all winter.

I don't recall anyone in the corporate office this winter with a cough. Other than one week my wife's daycare has not had the running noses. When I go to stores I don't see anyone coughing. We're into February and I don't know of anyone that got the flu.

Masks and social distancing are obviously the reason.

And they'll be people in positions of power using that as an excuse to try to make masks the new permanent norm. And lots of sheeple willing to go along..

As a strong proponent of personal privacy, I don’t mind masks at all. I don’t need the NSA face-tracking me everywhere I go!

Obviously, I don’t want to wear a mask the rest of my life. This was a joke.

(02-03-2021 06:53 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(02-03-2021 08:49 AM)Dukester Wrote:  My wife and I were talking last night, and (less Covid) we don't ever remember a more healthy winter for the general population. My corporate office of about 100, at times had half the staff with cold or coughs in prior years. I would frequently get that lagging cough they would last for a month. My wife runs a day care with kids having perpetual runny noses all winter.

I don't recall anyone in the corporate office this winter with a cough. Other than one week my wife's daycare has not had the running noses. When I go to stores I don't see anyone coughing. We're into February and I don't know of anyone that got the flu.

Masks and social distancing are obviously the reason.

And they'll be people in positions of power using that as an excuse to try to make masks the new permanent norm. And lots of sheeple willing to go along..

This to me sounds like "they are going to take our guns away argument" or "they will take away my healthcare".

Did Clinton and Obama take away guns like many said would happen? Did anyone lose their healthcare when Obama added a public option? My healthcare has been through my employer my entire professional career, even after Obama Care option was provided. My healthcare has not changed one bit since Obamacare.

To make a comparison on wearing masks during the worst pandemic in a century where millions have died world wide to saying now people will always have to wear masks is ridiculous. Making stuff up that won't happen, and then arguing about it.

Perhaps Democrats should make the argument Republicans are going to make me arm my kids. Instead of making stuff up that is not going to happen, how about discussing what has happened?

Started my life as a Republican. To this day I think Ford would of been the best president if elected to a full term. About 25 years ago I moved to a "fiscally conservative'" / "Socially liberal" position in life. Basically an independent is where I remain. It was hard for me to side with the radical right which started to over take the party. I watch all the news channels and Sunday morning shows and make my decisions accordingly.

I think Maxine Waters is a harmless quack. Don't agree with AOC, and think Bernie is too liberal.

There is no a doubt in my mind the last election was correct. That republicans stand and clap for Marjorie Greene and want Liz Cheney demoted. President incites a crowd to storm the Congress, and stands by and watches as it happens without doing anything to stop it. I never in my life thought I would see White Supremacy groups storm our capital. Also I think there are more people on the right that think of them self as more Trump than republican. "To me" the republican party I once associated myself, with seems like the Tea Party on steroids. I use to be a proud republican.

Now we're in the worst worldwide pandemic in a century and the ex-president convinces 25% of the population that wearing masks is not appropriate or Republican because he felt he needed to pack them in at his pep rallies to get re-elected.

As a white guy - I do know how differently the events of last month would of been if it was BLM that stormed the Capital. In the BLM marches, that appeared to me to by at least 50% white - I get it. Do I agree with vandalization, destruction, or theft that occurred at the time? No, but I agree with BLM cause because it's true if you are black in this country you are not as free as others and you have to act differently. I support the police and would not want to defund them, but I also feel that there are too many in the police that need additional training in regards to consistency in enforcing the law. If someone who supports, or has BLM concerns, takes a knee during the anthem - it does not mean "to me" they are disrespecting the country, police, or military. It's just a peaceful act of showing their concern or lack of equality. Now storming the capital and hunting for the VP or congress - that pisses me off.

Anyway - that is where I am......

Looks like Duke Club members can be there......


Seats for Duke Club Members

(02-04-2021 10:37 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(02-03-2021 06:53 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(02-03-2021 08:49 AM)Dukester Wrote:  My wife and I were talking last night, and (less Covid) we don't ever remember a more healthy winter for the general population. My corporate office of about 100, at times had half the staff with cold or coughs in prior years. I would frequently get that lagging cough they would last for a month. My wife runs a day care with kids having perpetual runny noses all winter.

I don't recall anyone in the corporate office this winter with a cough. Other than one week my wife's daycare has not had the running noses. When I go to stores I don't see anyone coughing. We're into February and I don't know of anyone that got the flu.

Masks and social distancing are obviously the reason.

And they'll be people in positions of power using that as an excuse to try to make masks the new permanent norm. And lots of sheeple willing to go along..

This to me sounds like "they are going to take our guns away argument" or "they will take away my healthcare".

Did Clinton and Obama take away guns like many said would happen? Did anyone lose their healthcare when Obama added a public option? My healthcare has been through my employer my entire professional career, even after Obama Care option was provided. My healthcare has not changed one bit since Obamacare.

To make a comparison on wearing masks during the worst pandemic in a century where millions have died world wide to saying now people will always have to wear masks is ridiculous. Making stuff up that won't happen, and then arguing about it.

Perhaps Democrats should make the argument Republicans are going to make me arm my kids. Instead of making stuff up that is not going to happen, how about discussing what has happened?

Started my life as a Republican. To this day I think Ford would of been the best president if elected to a full term. About 25 years ago I moved to a "fiscally conservative'" / "Socially liberal" position in life. Basically an independent is where I remain. It was hard for me to side with the radical right which started to over take the party. I watch all the news channels and Sunday morning shows and make my decisions accordingly.

I think Maxine Waters is a harmless quack. Don't agree with AOC, and think Bernie is too liberal.

There is no a doubt in my mind the last election was correct. That republicans stand and clap for Marjorie Greene and want Liz Cheney demoted. President incites a crowd to storm the Congress, and stands by and watches as it happens without doing anything to stop it. I never in my life thought I would see White Supremacy groups storm our capital. Also I think there are more people on the right that think of them self as more Trump than republican. "To me" the republican party I once associated myself, with seems like the Tea Party on steroids. I use to be a proud republican.

Now we're in the worst worldwide pandemic in a century and the ex-president convinces 25% of the population that wearing masks is not appropriate or Republican because he felt he needed to pack them in at his pep rallies to get re-elected.

As a white guy - I do know how differently the events of last month would of been if it was BLM that stormed the Capital. In the BLM marches, that appeared to me to by at least 50% white - I get it. Do I agree with vandalization, destruction, or theft that occurred at the time? No, but I agree with BLM cause because it's true if you are black in this country you are not as free as others and you have to act differently. I support the police and would not want to defund them, but I also feel that there are too many in the police that need additional training in regards to consistency in enforcing the law. If someone who supports, or has BLM concerns, takes a knee during the anthem - it does not mean "to me" they are disrespecting the country, police, or military. It's just a peaceful act of showing their concern or lack of equality. Now storming the capital and hunting for the VP or congress - that pisses me off.

Anyway - that is where I am......

Well, now that you veered WAY off topic from the virus:

On the Obamacare lie (I personally know someone who lost his health care plan due to Obamacare)
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/obamas-keep...-the-year/

I won't support a virulently anti police, self described Marxist organization.

As far as 1/6 in DC:
-The FBI stated the storming of the Capitol was planned days beforehand, even CNN and the WaPo reported that.
-It began before Trump even finished his speech.
-Just skimmed through the hr and 13 min transcript. The only time the Capitol Building was mentioned:

Quote:I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.

Quote:So we’re going to, we’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue, I love Pennsylvania Avenue, and we’re going to the Capitol and we’re going to try and give… The Democrats are hopeless. They’re never voting for anything, not even one vote. But we’re going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones, because the strong ones don’t need any of our help, we’re going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.

https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/don...-january-6
So where is this alleged incitement?

FWIW there are claims of over 100k people in DC on 1/6 at the rally (there pics online of a ginormous sea of people near the Ellipse), and the DOJ estimated about 800 entered the Capitol
https://www.wthr.com/article/news/nation...9e68fc28e9

I never in my life thought I'd see marxist/anarchist group being allowed to take over a whole section of a city for weeks, setting up an 'Autonomous Zone" (Seattle), or be allowed to riot for 150+ straight days, carrying out organized attacks against a Fed Courthouse, including trying to burn it down with people in it (Portland). Strange & disturbing times indeed.

(02-04-2021 10:37 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(02-03-2021 06:53 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(02-03-2021 08:49 AM)Dukester Wrote:  My wife and I were talking last night, and (less Covid) we don't ever remember a more healthy winter for the general population. My corporate office of about 100, at times had half the staff with cold or coughs in prior years. I would frequently get that lagging cough they would last for a month. My wife runs a day care with kids having perpetual runny noses all winter.

I don't recall anyone in the corporate office this winter with a cough. Other than one week my wife's daycare has not had the running noses. When I go to stores I don't see anyone coughing. We're into February and I don't know of anyone that got the flu.

Masks and social distancing are obviously the reason.

And they'll be people in positions of power using that as an excuse to try to make masks the new permanent norm. And lots of sheeple willing to go along..

This to me sounds like "they are going to take our guns away argument" or "they will take away my healthcare".

Did Clinton and Obama take away guns like many said would happen? Did anyone lose their healthcare when Obama added a public option? My healthcare has been through my employer my entire professional career, even after Obama Care option was provided. My healthcare has not changed one bit since Obamacare.

To make a comparison on wearing masks during the worst pandemic in a century where millions have died world wide to saying now people will always have to wear masks is ridiculous. Making stuff up that won't happen, and then arguing about it.

Perhaps Democrats should make the argument Republicans are going to make me arm my kids. Instead of making stuff up that is not going to happen, how about discussing what has happened?

Started my life as a Republican. To this day I think Ford would of been the best president if elected to a full term. About 25 years ago I moved to a "fiscally conservative'" / "Socially liberal" position in life. Basically an independent is where I remain. It was hard for me to side with the radical right which started to over take the party. I watch all the news channels and Sunday morning shows and make my decisions accordingly.

I think Maxine Waters is a harmless quack. Don't agree with AOC, and think Bernie is too liberal.

There is no a doubt in my mind the last election was correct. That republicans stand and clap for Marjorie Greene and want Liz Cheney demoted. President incites a crowd to storm the Congress, and stands by and watches as it happens without doing anything to stop it. I never in my life thought I would see White Supremacy groups storm our capital. Also I think there are more people on the right that think of them self as more Trump than republican. "To me" the republican party I once associated myself, with seems like the Tea Party on steroids. I use to be a proud republican.

Now we're in the worst worldwide pandemic in a century and the ex-president convinces 25% of the population that wearing masks is not appropriate or Republican because he felt he needed to pack them in at his pep rallies to get re-elected.

As a white guy - I do know how differently the events of last month would of been if it was BLM that stormed the Capital. In the BLM marches, that appeared to me to by at least 50% white - I get it. Do I agree with vandalization, destruction, or theft that occurred at the time? No, but I agree with BLM cause because it's true if you are black in this country you are not as free as others and you have to act differently. I support the police and would not want to defund them, but I also feel that there are too many in the police that need additional training in regards to consistency in enforcing the law. If someone who supports, or has BLM concerns, takes a knee during the anthem - it does not mean "to me" they are disrespecting the country, police, or military. It's just a peaceful act of showing their concern or lack of equality. Now storming the capital and hunting for the VP or congress - that pisses me off.

Anyway - that is where I am......

Describes me perfectly as well.

Bill, what news outlets do you place your confidence in? Since Trump labeled ALL of them "fake news" (not actually fake news, just things he didn't want to hear) there must not be anyone you can trust.

Elon game.

Only saw the HS style bleachers a couple of times, looked to be around 50% capacity or more.

Makes one wonder, does the ‘Rona know to stop at Lake Gaston or something?!? Aside from the incompetent rollout of Va’s vaccine approach, is Va having a measurably worse time with the virus than N.C.?

250 people across the board for everything in the State is just lazy and dumb. What if more than 250 all just show up at a youth lax or soccer tourney? They gonna start arresting parents and grandparents for watching their kids play? C’mon people, think. Common damn sense.

I was eyeballing JMU @ Elon tix for 3/6, but it would seem like they never hit the open market down there. Did hear their band playing. And saw what looked to be more than 250 scattered in their home-side bleachers.

If Elon ticket demand was this high for the Davidson game, I got no chance for 3/6 unless NC allows more. Feel like I have more chance to attend one in VA than in NC at this point. Fingers crossed the capacity max goes up soon (Monday?).

https://richmond.com/sports/local/teel-a...26a7d.html

(02-20-2021 06:47 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  I was eyeballing JMU @ Elon tix for 3/6, but it would seem like they never hit the open market down there. Did hear their band playing. And saw what looked to be more than 250 scattered in their home-side bleachers.

If Elon ticket demand was this high for the Davidson game, I got no chance for 3/6 unless NC allows more. Feel like I have more chance to attend one in VA than in NC at this point. Fingers crossed the capacity max goes up soon (Monday?).

Elon game stats show 980 for Davidson FWIW. So Maybe they have a 1k cap in NC. Or maybe its like 25%, and 980 is all they were gonna get for Davidson in colder than normal Feb weather..

Nah, I called their ticket office to make sure I knew what the situation is for 3/6. Ticketing director answered and told me they used up all their allowed capacity with season ticket holder requests for the Davidson game. Said they would have put the remaining few for sale to the public, but it never got to that point. I imagine they will have stronger demand for our game vs the Davidson game.