(02-03-2021 12:24 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(02-02-2021 02:38 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(02-02-2021 02:12 PM)Bill Wrote:  

(02-02-2021 09:25 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(02-01-2021 11:23 PM)Purple Wrote:  Exactly! For those who want to hide under their beds from the evil COVID monster, go ahead. I will be living my life as usual.

What some see as scaredy cats, others see as common sense, and caring about others.

I care about others, I stay home when I'm sick. When you restrict the movement of the sick, it's called quarantine. When you restrict the movement of the healthy, it's called tyranny. People with common sense understand this.

Not only am I a scaredy cat, but I admit that if I was one of the 40-50% that had Covid but was asymptomatic, I would not be aware I had it and could spread it to others. Additionally if I was one of the 50%-60% that got Covid with symptoms, I probably would not know a day or two before I had symptoms when I was first contagious.

What some see as tyrannical, others see as common sense and caring.

Once again - one event, two different perceptions.

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Quote:Since the start of the pandemic, the CDC estimates that the coronavirus may have infected 83 million Americans, not the 26 million figure you see in the current official tally.

https://bgr.com/2021/02/01/covid-cases-u...-estimate/
So you're asymptomatic is probably more like 80%-85%..

Isn't that 69%? 57M asymptomatic divided by 83M total infected?

My wife and I were talking last night, and (less Covid) we don't ever remember a more healthy winter for the general population. My corporate office of about 100, at times had half the staff with cold or coughs in prior years. I would frequently get that lagging cough they would last for a month. My wife runs a day care with kids having perpetual runny noses all winter.

I don't recall anyone in the corporate office this winter with a cough. Other than one week my wife's daycare has not had the running noses. When I go to stores I don't see anyone coughing. We're into February and I don't know of anyone that got the flu.

Masks and social distancing are obviously the reason.

(02-03-2021 08:49 AM)Dukester Wrote:  My wife and I were talking last night, and (less Covid) we don't ever remember a more healthy winter for the general population. My corporate office of about 100, at times had half the staff with cold or coughs in prior years. I would frequently get that lagging cough they would last for a month. My wife runs a day care with kids having perpetual runny noses all winter.

I don't recall anyone in the corporate office this winter with a cough. Other than one week my wife's daycare has not had the running noses. When I go to stores I don't see anyone coughing. We're into February and I don't know of anyone that got the flu.

Masks and social distancing are obviously the reason.

except for the suicides, drug overdoses, lack of serious disease treatment, a lost year of education for most children. Other than that, its been a pretty healthy winter. Glad we got rid of those coughs.

(02-03-2021 08:49 AM)Dukester Wrote:  My wife and I were talking last night, and (less Covid) we don't ever remember a more healthy winter for the general population. My corporate office of about 100, at times had half the staff with cold or coughs in prior years. I would frequently get that lagging cough they would last for a month. My wife runs a day care with kids having perpetual runny noses all winter.

I don't recall anyone in the corporate office this winter with a cough. Other than one week my wife's daycare has not had the running noses. When I go to stores I don't see anyone coughing. We're into February and I don't know of anyone that got the flu.

Masks and social distancing are obviously the reason.

This makes sense and was exactly what a pediatrician friend of mine said would happen when all of the news media, etc. was talking about the twindemic in the early fall. He said the precautions we were taking were essentially cutting off all of the vectors for the flu to spread. Also, viruses compete against each other so if Covid is more transmissable it will win out just like certain variants of Covid win out over others.

There have been many other medical type issues that have been exacerbated by the pandemic as well. Addiction, suicide, and not seeking treatment for other treatable diseases due to fear are all things that have gotten worse over the past year.

(02-03-2021 09:17 AM)Centdukesfan Wrote:  

(02-03-2021 08:49 AM)Dukester Wrote:  My wife and I were talking last night, and (less Covid) we don't ever remember a more healthy winter for the general population. My corporate office of about 100, at times had half the staff with cold or coughs in prior years. I would frequently get that lagging cough they would last for a month. My wife runs a day care with kids having perpetual runny noses all winter.

I don't recall anyone in the corporate office this winter with a cough. Other than one week my wife's daycare has not had the running noses. When I go to stores I don't see anyone coughing. We're into February and I don't know of anyone that got the flu.

Masks and social distancing are obviously the reason.

except for the suicides, drug overdoses, lack of serious disease treatment, a lost year of education for most children. Other than that, its been a pretty healthy winter. Glad we got rid of those coughs.

Depression, domestic violence, bankruptcy, divorce, kids not getting school meals, job loss, repo’s...

But, hey! What’s not to like?!?

(02-03-2021 09:17 AM)Centdukesfan Wrote:  

(02-03-2021 08:49 AM)Dukester Wrote:  My wife and I were talking last night, and (less Covid) we don't ever remember a more healthy winter for the general population. My corporate office of about 100, at times had half the staff with cold or coughs in prior years. I would frequently get that lagging cough they would last for a month. My wife runs a day care with kids having perpetual runny noses all winter.

I don't recall anyone in the corporate office this winter with a cough. Other than one week my wife's daycare has not had the running noses. When I go to stores I don't see anyone coughing. We're into February and I don't know of anyone that got the flu.

Masks and social distancing are obviously the reason.

except for the suicides, drug overdoses, lack of serious disease treatment, a lost year of education for most children. Other than that, its been a pretty healthy winter. Glad we got rid of those coughs.

I have not seen the correlation between wearing masks and Social Distancing in public leading to suicides and overdoses. If anything, I could see those two practices leading to a quicker return to normalcy, which would help both mental health and kids returning to school.

(02-02-2021 04:07 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Clearly this thread is continuing to spiral toward getting moved to OT, but I have to ask, and I sincerely am looking for the answer. Why didn’t the former administration direct the CDC to make similar changes?

The Trump admin did that many times, asked the CDC to stop lumping the cold, flu and covid into one "Covid positive" group, asked them to separate deaths with "co-morbidities" but the CDC simply said no. If they did, Bridgeforth would've been packed with mask free fans last September. Don't forget, way back in March 2020, Trump was asked what the death rate would be and said "way less than 1%" and the fake news media mocked him for it. They implored us to accept the panic inducing 2.2% "the experts" at the CDC and WHO were saying it would be. What is the death rate today? 0.4%, or way less than 1%. As I said, the CDC did finally make changes to their reporting rules, hours after Biden was installed as president.

How could anyone mock things said like this?

“Suppose that we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light. Supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. But the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That's pretty powerful. Is there a way we can do something like inject disinfectant inside the body to give it a cleaning? It sounds interesting to me, so we'll see."

Or perhaps on March 6th someone saying, "Within a couple of days, infections are going to be down to close to zero. One day, it’s like a miracle. It will disappear.”

Hopefully that miracle will happen in time for the fall 2021 season.

So Bill Dukester can be side by side rooting on the Dukes.

(02-03-2021 10:13 AM)Bill Wrote:  

(02-02-2021 04:07 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Clearly this thread is continuing to spiral toward getting moved to OT, but I have to ask, and I sincerely am looking for the answer. Why didn’t the former administration direct the CDC to make similar changes?

The Trump admin did that many times, asked the CDC to stop lumping the cold, flu and covid into one "Covid positive" group, asked them to separate deaths with "co-morbidities" but the CDC simply said no. If they did, Bridgeforth would've been packed with mask free fans last September. Don't forget, way back in March 2020, Trump was asked what the death rate would be and said "way less than 1%" and the fake news media mocked him for it. They implored us to accept the panic inducing 2.2% "the experts" at the CDC and WHO were saying it would be. What is the death rate today? 0.4%, or way less than 1%. As I said, the CDC did finally make changes to their reporting rules, hours after Biden was installed as president.

Interesting. So they made the exact changes the former administration requested, but only after a new administration took office?

(02-03-2021 10:53 AM)Dukester Wrote:  How could anyone mock things said like this?

“Suppose that we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light. Supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. But the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That's pretty powerful. Is there a way we can do something like inject disinfectant inside the body to give it a cleaning? It sounds interesting to me, so we'll see."

Or perhaps on March 6th someone saying, "Within a couple of days, infections are going to be down to close to zero. One day, it’s like a miracle. It will disappear.”

Hopefully that miracle will happen in time for the fall 2021 season.

So Bill Dukester can be side by side rooting on the Dukes.

you are hilarious - you ask for no political conversations and then write this.

(02-03-2021 11:40 AM)Centdukesfan Wrote:  

(02-03-2021 10:53 AM)Dukester Wrote:  How could anyone mock things said like this?

“Suppose that we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light. Supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. But the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That's pretty powerful. Is there a way we can do something like inject disinfectant inside the body to give it a cleaning? It sounds interesting to me, so we'll see."

Or perhaps on March 6th someone saying, "Within a couple of days, infections are going to be down to close to zero. One day, it’s like a miracle. It will disappear.”

Hopefully that miracle will happen in time for the fall 2021 season.

So Bill Dukester can be side by side rooting on the Dukes.

you are hilarious - you ask for no political conversations and then write this.

Yep, it's hard to not comment when others bring up things you do not agree with.

I'll move this to off topic since it's really not about JMU anymore.

this is dumb.

there you have my thoughts; not that you asked.

carry on.

(02-03-2021 11:51 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(02-03-2021 11:40 AM)Centdukesfan Wrote:  

(02-03-2021 10:53 AM)Dukester Wrote:  How could anyone mock things said like this?

“Suppose that we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light. Supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. But the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That's pretty powerful. Is there a way we can do something like inject disinfectant inside the body to give it a cleaning? It sounds interesting to me, so we'll see."

Or perhaps on March 6th someone saying, "Within a couple of days, infections are going to be down to close to zero. One day, it’s like a miracle. It will disappear.”

Hopefully that miracle will happen in time for the fall 2021 season.

So Bill Dukester can be side by side rooting on the Dukes.

you are hilarious - you ask for no political conversations and then write this.

Yep, it's hard to not comment when others bring up things you do not agree with.

I'll move this to off topic since it's really not about JMU anymore.

You did this. Congrats

Did what? Move an OT convo to the OT section?

(02-03-2021 12:19 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Did what? Move an OT convo to the OT section?

cause the move to an OT section

It could be argued that the posts preceding his were just as much at fault. Politically-fueled misinformation is just as political as his post teasing the former president’s intellect.

(02-03-2021 10:53 AM)Dukester Wrote:  How could anyone mock things said like this?

“Suppose that we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light. Supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. But the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That's pretty powerful. Is there a way we can do something like inject disinfectant inside the body to give it a cleaning? It sounds interesting to me, so we'll see."

Or perhaps on March 6th someone saying, "Within a couple of days, infections are going to be down to close to zero. One day, it’s like a miracle. It will disappear.”

Hopefully that miracle will happen in time for the fall 2021 season.

So Bill Dukester can be side by side rooting on the Dukes.

and then there's this:
https://nurse.org/articles/uv-light-ther...s-covid19/

We all know the less intelligent members of society could jump to no other conclusion than Trump was actually suggesting people use a hyperdermic needle to inject Clorox into their veins, and that he wasn't referring at all to the UV light being the disinfectant, but that's what a fake news media brainwashing will do to the easily fooled.

It was always hard to tell what Trump was saying because his sentences rarely made logical sense. When he managed to speak a coherent sentence, it was frequently unchecked lying.

That link you gave specifically states multiple times that the therapy shown can’t be attributed to his comments that day. I have no desire to ignore intelligent comments from anyone, but once someone lies to my face thousands of times, I ignore them.

(02-03-2021 11:19 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(02-03-2021 10:13 AM)Bill Wrote:  

(02-02-2021 04:07 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Clearly this thread is continuing to spiral toward getting moved to OT, but I have to ask, and I sincerely am looking for the answer. Why didn’t the former administration direct the CDC to make similar changes?

The Trump admin did that many times, asked the CDC to stop lumping the cold, flu and covid into one "Covid positive" group, asked them to separate deaths with "co-morbidities" but the CDC simply said no. If they did, Bridgeforth would've been packed with mask free fans last September. Don't forget, way back in March 2020, Trump was asked what the death rate would be and said "way less than 1%" and the fake news media mocked him for it. They implored us to accept the panic inducing 2.2% "the experts" at the CDC and WHO were saying it would be. What is the death rate today? 0.4%, or way less than 1%. As I said, the CDC did finally make changes to their reporting rules, hours after Biden was installed as president.

Interesting. So they made the exact changes the former administration requested, but only after a new administration took office?

Let me summarize the CDC's reporting rules for the H1N1 virus and Covid19 virus:

H1N1 reporting rules under Obama: "we only count actual infections"
Covid reporting rules under Trump: "new rules, we now count any positive test regardless of symptoms (and our testing methods are so bad most positives are actually negatives, but whatever)"
Covid reporting rules under Biden: "new rules, we are going back to only counting actual infections"

(02-03-2021 02:50 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  It was always hard to tell what Trump was saying because his sentences rarely made logical sense. When he managed to speak a coherent sentence, it was frequently unchecked lying.

That link you gave specifically states multiple times that the therapy shown can’t be attributed to his comments that day. I have no desire to ignore intelligent comments from anyone, but once someone lies to my face thousands of times, I ignore them.

Why do they have to be attributed to his comments? It's clear, to intelligent people, that he was obviously aware of the studies.

So you ignore Biden, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, Fox, Washington Post, NY Times, and all of your favorite politicians, or do you pick and choose when someone is lying to your face??