(05-12-2021 08:10 AM)billymac Wrote:  Interesting goings on at Minnesota. Luke will now have yet another transfer teammate, as the Gophers add 6'8" forward Parker Fox to the roster. That is now SIX transfer students, not including Peyton Willis (CofC), who has yet to be added to the roster. Thorson is definitely building on the fly.

It looks like they may only have one player returning (who averaged 2.8 ppg), everyone else seems like they transferred out of Minnesota.

https://www.verbalcommits.com/schools/minnesota

Transfers Coming to the CAA:
CofC: SO 5'10 Fah'mir Ali (Radford), SO 6'6 Nick Farrar (NC State), GRAD 6'4 Dalton Bolon (West Liberty), GRAD 6'6 John Meeks (Bucknell), GRAD 6'4 Dimitrius Underwood (UT-Dallas), JR 6'11 Charles Lampten (Dawson CC)
Delaware: JR 6'1 Jameer Nelson Jr. (GW), RS FR 6'7 Jyare Davis (Providence)
Drexel: RS SR 6’2 Tre Brown (Colorado St - Pueblo), GRAD 6'6 Melik Martin (Monmouth)
Elon: SR 6'5 Torrence Watson (Missouri)
Hofstra: SO 6'6 Darlinstone Dubar (Iowa St), GRAD 5'10 Zach Cooks (NJIT), JR 6'3 Alejandro Vasquez (St Bonaventure), GRAD 6'8 Jarrod Simmons (Penn), JR 6'4 Aaron Estrada (Oregon)
JMU: GRAD 6'3 Charles Falden (Winthrop), RS SR 6'5 Takal Molson (Seton Hall), SO 6'4 Tyree Ihenacho (North Dakota), RS SR 6'7 Alonzo Shule (Texas St)
Towson: RS SR 6'4 Terry Nolan (Bradley), SR 6'3 Antonio Rizzuto (Albany), SR 6'5 Cam Holden (UT Martin), JR 6'9 Chase Paar (GW)
Northeastern: GRAD 6'8 Nikola Djogo (Notre Dame), JR 6'5 Joe Pridgen (UNCW), GRAD 6'5 Tyreek Scott-Grayson (UAB), SO 6'2 Glen McClintock (Air Force)
UNCW: SO 6'6 Trazarien White (Collin), GRAD 6'6 James Baker Jr. (Morehead St), GRAD 6'3 Jaylen Fornes (Nicholls St), RS SO 6'5 Alec Oglesby (Cleveland St), RS JR 6'9 Amari Kelly (Duquesne)
WM: GRAD 6'7 Brandon Carroll (Florida Southern)

Potential Transfers Leaving the CAA:
CofC: GRAD 6'1 Zep Jasper (Auburn), JR 6'5 DeAngelo Epps (Hampton), SO 6'7 Dontavius King (NCCU), GRAD 6'2 Brevin Galloway (Boston College), JR 6'2 Brenden Tucker, GRAD 6'8 Lorenzo Edwards, RS SR 6'9 Samba Ndiaye, GRAD 6'4 Payton Willis (Minnesota), SO 6'1 D'Avian Houston (Longwood), RS FR 6'5 RJ Ogom (Fort Wayne), SR 6'7 Cam Copeland (Austin Peay)
Drexel: GRAD 6'10 Tadas Kararinas, JR 6'9 TJ Bickerstaff (Boston College)
Elon: SO 6'6 Brandon Harris (Three Rivers), SR 6'8 Federico Poser (turning pro), GRAD 6'7 Simon Wright (Maryland)
Hofstra: GRAD 6'9 Kevin Schutte (Incarnate Word), SO 6'5 Vukasin Masic (Maine)
JMU: JR 6'3 Jayvis Harvey, JR 6'6 TJ Taylor, JR 6’6 Michael Christmas (Longwood), SR 6'10 Joel Mensah
Northeastern: SO 6'6 J'Vonne Hadley (St Thomas), JR 6'0 Tyson Walker (Michigan St), GRAD 6'6 Shaquille Walters
Towson: SR 6'2 Jakigh Dottin, RS JR 6'6 Demetrius Mims
UNCW: SR 6'5 Brian Tolefree, JR 6'7 Jake Boggs (USF), JR 6'6 Imajae Dodd, JR 6'5 Joe Pridgen (Northeastern), GRAD 6'7 John Bowen, SO 6'2 Ja'Juan Carr, GRAD 6'5 Jay Estime
WM: GRAD 6'4 Luke Loewe (Minnesota)

Hofstra F David Green (FR) has entered the transfer portal.

I wonder how many 2020-21 Seniors will just be graduating and moving on with their lives and are deciding not to play that extra year as a Grad student. Jalen Ray and Tareq of Hofstra come to mind. Both were senior starters but are not showing up as transferring somewhere else.

(05-14-2021 11:03 AM)WMTRIBE75 Wrote:  I wonder how many 2020-21 Seniors will just be graduating and moving on with their lives and are deciding not to play that extra year as a Grad student. Jalen Ray and Tareq of Hofstra come to mind. Both were senior starters but are not showing up as transferring somewhere else.

Hofstra hasn't updated to their 21-22 Roster, so there is still a probability that they are both back. I haven't counted up their committed scholarships, but it seems they have enough to cover their incoming freshmen as well as bring back Ray & Coburn if they want. Of course, like you said, still a strong possibility that one or both could move on to their professional lives.

(05-14-2021 11:20 AM)mrjoolius Wrote:  

(05-14-2021 11:03 AM)WMTRIBE75 Wrote:  I wonder how many 2020-21 Seniors will just be graduating and moving on with their lives and are deciding not to play that extra year as a Grad student. Jalen Ray and Tareq of Hofstra come to mind. Both were senior starters but are not showing up as transferring somewhere else.

Hofstra hasn't updated to their 21-22 Roster, so there is still a probability that they are both back. I haven't counted up their committed scholarships, but it seems they have enough to cover their incoming freshmen as well as bring back Ray & Coburn if they want. Of course, like you said, still a strong possibility that one or both could move on to their professional lives.

Ray and Coburn do not have to be counted among the 13 MBB scholarships, if they decide to come back. It comes down to does Hofstra want to fund the 14th and 15th scholarships next year.

(05-14-2021 11:23 AM)billymac Wrote:  

(05-14-2021 11:20 AM)mrjoolius Wrote:  

(05-14-2021 11:03 AM)WMTRIBE75 Wrote:  I wonder how many 2020-21 Seniors will just be graduating and moving on with their lives and are deciding not to play that extra year as a Grad student. Jalen Ray and Tareq of Hofstra come to mind. Both were senior starters but are not showing up as transferring somewhere else.

Hofstra hasn't updated to their 21-22 Roster, so there is still a probability that they are both back. I haven't counted up their committed scholarships, but it seems they have enough to cover their incoming freshmen as well as bring back Ray & Coburn if they want. Of course, like you said, still a strong possibility that one or both could move on to their professional lives.

Ray and Coburn do not have to be counted among the 13 MBB scholarships, if they decide to come back. It comes down to does Hofstra want to fund the 14th and 15th scholarships next year.

And it looks like they are bringing in a bunch of transfers.

(05-14-2021 11:23 AM)billymac Wrote:  

(05-14-2021 11:20 AM)mrjoolius Wrote:  

(05-14-2021 11:03 AM)WMTRIBE75 Wrote:  I wonder how many 2020-21 Seniors will just be graduating and moving on with their lives and are deciding not to play that extra year as a Grad student. Jalen Ray and Tareq of Hofstra come to mind. Both were senior starters but are not showing up as transferring somewhere else.

Hofstra hasn't updated to their 21-22 Roster, so there is still a probability that they are both back. I haven't counted up their committed scholarships, but it seems they have enough to cover their incoming freshmen as well as bring back Ray & Coburn if they want. Of course, like you said, still a strong possibility that one or both could move on to their professional lives.

Ray and Coburn do not have to be counted among the 13 MBB scholarships, if they decide to come back. It comes down to does Hofstra want to fund the 14th and 15th scholarships next year.

Very true. I have a hard time wrapping my head around the scholarship math for next season

(05-14-2021 11:32 AM)mrjoolius Wrote:  

(05-14-2021 11:23 AM)billymac Wrote:  

(05-14-2021 11:20 AM)mrjoolius Wrote:  

(05-14-2021 11:03 AM)WMTRIBE75 Wrote:  I wonder how many 2020-21 Seniors will just be graduating and moving on with their lives and are deciding not to play that extra year as a Grad student. Jalen Ray and Tareq of Hofstra come to mind. Both were senior starters but are not showing up as transferring somewhere else.

Hofstra hasn't updated to their 21-22 Roster, so there is still a probability that they are both back. I haven't counted up their committed scholarships, but it seems they have enough to cover their incoming freshmen as well as bring back Ray & Coburn if they want. Of course, like you said, still a strong possibility that one or both could move on to their professional lives.

Ray and Coburn do not have to be counted among the 13 MBB scholarships, if they decide to come back. It comes down to does Hofstra want to fund the 14th and 15th scholarships next year.

Very true. I have a hard time wrapping my head around the scholarship math for next season

Me too.

(05-14-2021 11:23 AM)billymac Wrote:  

(05-14-2021 11:20 AM)mrjoolius Wrote:  

(05-14-2021 11:03 AM)WMTRIBE75 Wrote:  I wonder how many 2020-21 Seniors will just be graduating and moving on with their lives and are deciding not to play that extra year as a Grad student. Jalen Ray and Tareq of Hofstra come to mind. Both were senior starters but are not showing up as transferring somewhere else.

Hofstra hasn't updated to their 21-22 Roster, so there is still a probability that they are both back. I haven't counted up their committed scholarships, but it seems they have enough to cover their incoming freshmen as well as bring back Ray & Coburn if they want. Of course, like you said, still a strong possibility that one or both could move on to their professional lives.

Ray and Coburn do not have to be counted among the 13 MBB scholarships, if they decide to come back. It comes down to does Hofstra want to fund the 14th and 15th scholarships next year.

For Ray and Coburn, I’d pay for the extra year!


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(03-12-2021 02:46 PM)WillaMary08 Wrote:  Rising JR 6’6 TJ Taylor of JMU will be entering the transfer portal.

https://verbalcommits.com/players/t-j-taylor-va
https://jmusports.com/sports/mens-basket...ylor/16457

TJ Taylor headed to Cal Poly.

https://mobile.twitter.com/VerbalCommits...0216094726

Interesting stats posted about 2020 transfers:

High Major to High Major --- 24% increase in PPG.
Mid Major to High Major --- 54% decrease in PPG.
High Major to Mid Major --- 21% increase in PPG.

Link to tweet

Wonder if players will get the hint about enjoying being a bigger fish in a small pond versus being a small fish in the big pond. Seems like kids are getting it right out of high school then making worse decisions after. A high major kid will perform well at any level and the kids who are slipping through the cracks are mostly landing where they best fit/belong. Obviously these are averages, so there are always exceptions, but hopefully kids see this and realize the dream of transferring up may not be in their best interest beyond exposure.

My take on kids who transfer is that they are making the decision for a lot of different reasons. Some include being homesick, wanting a different situation, coach leaving, playing time, academic fit, etc. Dan's numbers make sense without even doing research. I just hope that we are the right situation for kids we recruit and they find a place to be for four years.

(05-17-2021 07:32 AM)dan10 Wrote:  Interesting stats posted about 2020 transfers:

High Major to High Major --- 24% increase in PPG.
Mid Major to High Major --- 54% decrease in PPG.
High Major to Mid Major --- 21% increase in PPG.

Link to tweet

Wonder if players will get the hint about enjoying being a bigger fish in a small pond versus being a small fish in the big pond. Seems like kids are getting it right out of high school then making worse decisions after. A high major kid will perform well at any level and the kids who are slipping through the cracks are mostly landing where they best fit/belong. Obviously these are averages, so there are always exceptions, but hopefully kids see this and realize the dream of transferring up may not be in their best interest beyond exposure.

There's probably also a certain appeal to playing for a high major school, even if you don't get as much playing time. You have better facilities, a better shot of making the tournament, playing in front of bigger crowds, etc. High major schools by and large (with some exceptions, obviously) also tend to be better academic schools than mid to low majors.

I think that more than ever we need to emphasize to the kids that we recruit that we are recruiting them to be proud members of the William & Mary student body, in addition to being very good basketball players, and that the education that they will receive at W&M should be a very important part of why they choose us to begin with.

If you think about it, how rarely have we had a kid transfer out of our program because their performance on the court has not translated to their getting the kind of minutes that they might think that they deserve. These kids stay because they know the value of a W&M degree and that outweighs any thought that they may have of transferring to another program where they might get more minutes. I can think of several kids on our current roster that might fall into this category.

The key is retaining your really good players and pray that they, along with their parents, remember all of the reasons why they hopefully chose W&M to begin with when visions of being a role player at a P5 program begin swirling around in their heads.

(05-17-2021 09:19 AM)TDenverFan Wrote:  

(05-17-2021 07:32 AM)dan10 Wrote:  Interesting stats posted about 2020 transfers:

High Major to High Major --- 24% increase in PPG.
Mid Major to High Major --- 54% decrease in PPG.
High Major to Mid Major --- 21% increase in PPG.

Link to tweet

Wonder if players will get the hint about enjoying being a bigger fish in a small pond versus being a small fish in the big pond. Seems like kids are getting it right out of high school then making worse decisions after. A high major kid will perform well at any level and the kids who are slipping through the cracks are mostly landing where they best fit/belong. Obviously these are averages, so there are always exceptions, but hopefully kids see this and realize the dream of transferring up may not be in their best interest beyond exposure.

There's probably also a certain appeal to playing for a high major school, even if you don't get as much playing time. You have better facilities, a better shot of making the tournament, playing in front of bigger crowds, etc. High major schools by and large (with some exceptions, obviously) also tend to be better academic schools than mid to low majors.

Absolutely. But too many truly think all of those extras will get them to the NBA, and reality is, thats just not true. May it still raise their profile for overseas? Possibly. However for most, I highly doubt they are choosing to transfer for the education aspect (even if they should). I just thought those numbers were interesting and confirmed what most probably though was the case anyhow

(05-17-2021 09:55 AM)WMTRIBE75 Wrote:  If you think about it, how rarely have we had a kid transfer out of our program because their performance on the court has not translated to their getting the kind of minutes that they might think that they deserve. These kids stay because they know the value of a W&M degree and that outweighs any thought that they may have of transferring to another program where they might get more minutes. I can think of several kids on our current roster that might fall into this category.

I think that just speaks to being low in the pecking order. If you can't get minutes here, it's unlikely any D1 program is going to want to give you a heavy role. Truthfully, very few schools could make a feature guy out of any upperclassmen on our bench. The calculus for the players would be different if they could.

Not sure we've ever had the cache to keep someone talented if they're not getting minutes, because, well...we're rarely good enough to have guys with a lot of talent deep into the bench. The last two seriously skilled guys who lost out on starting spots due to how the chips fell were Malinowski and Whitman and it was not surprising or unfair when either left. Even being the man wasn't enough to keep Loewe without needing to sit a year. I don't think it's primarily about the degree either--enough guys have left without one to suggest to me that it's only a secondary concern compared to considerations about the program, the coach and their minutes.

(05-18-2021 09:09 AM)FauqDawg10 Wrote:  

(05-17-2021 09:55 AM)WMTRIBE75 Wrote:  If you think about it, how rarely have we had a kid transfer out of our program because their performance on the court has not translated to their getting the kind of minutes that they might think that they deserve. These kids stay because they know the value of a W&M degree and that outweighs any thought that they may have of transferring to another program where they might get more minutes. I can think of several kids on our current roster that might fall into this category.

I think that just speaks to being low in the pecking order. If you can't get minutes here, it's unlikely any D1 program is going to want to give you a heavy role. Truthfully, very few schools could make a feature guy out of any upperclassmen on our bench. The calculus for the players would be different if they could.

Not sure we've ever had the cache to keep someone talented if they're not getting minutes, because, well...we're rarely good enough to have guys with a lot of talent deep into the bench. The last two seriously skilled guys who lost out on starting spots due to how the chips fell were Malinowski and Whitman and it was not surprising or unfair when either left. Even being the man wasn't enough to keep Loewe without needing to sit a year. I don't think it's primarily about the degree either--enough guys have left without one to suggest to me that it's only a secondary concern compared to considerations about the program, the coach and their minutes.

I think this definitely depends on the player. Like Pierce's final schools were Michigan, UNC, and Notre Dame, all excellent schools, which makes me think the degree mattered to him (and of course Pierce did graduate from W&M undergrad as well).

Each transfer case is going to be unique. Overall, WM has a lower number of transfers than most schools, but with the rise of the transfer portal we shouldn't be shocked if that number starts to go up.

Sure, we've had transfers to UNC, UVA, Northwestern and Georgetown. We've also had guys transfer to Kansas, UCF, UMBC and Appalachian State. So, you know, mixed bag.

A W&M degree is not nothing. I'm sure it's a major factor in differentiating ourselves in freshman and transfer recruiting when a player has a lot of options to choose from and everyone is sort of promising you the same things. I just think rightly or wrongly, a lot of these kids put basketball first and I am not at all confident that our academics will keep a long-term bench player around if they can transfer with no consequences to (a) someone else on our level promising a bigger role or (b) one of the big boys promising anything. It will be something to keep in mind going forward; I think schools who are complacent will lose out.

All that said, having so many good players you can't possibly play them all is one of the best problems a school can have. To be blunt, right now I'm not worried about anyone outside of our starters getting poached.

Elon picks up 6’11 transfer Andrew Junkin from Mississippi St where he was a walk-on. Junkin redshirted a year, played two (including this last one which doesn’t count) and graduated in three years so he’s a grad transfer with up to three years of eligibility left?

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