(12-10-2020 10:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-10-2020 10:16 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 01:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 01:28 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 10:10 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  The statistical analysis the republicans are putting forward to show the improbability of Biden’s victory are fundamentally flawed. You can’t assume that every batch of votes reported comes from a randomized sample of all votes in the state.

This is actually false. The attempt is to show 'fraud'... and thus an extra 50,000 votes randomly showing up in a liberal stronghold that skews 90/10 for Biden with no other similar outcomes in the other direction is highly suspicious/statistically improbable.... so while your statement above may not be incorrect, it isn't the entire basis of their position. It is merely the baseline for it.

(12-09-2020 10:53 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  And that's problem. After the fact there is no way to prove it. The problem needs to be addressed before the fact, with adequate prevention and detection controls. One party opposes those things.

This. Hence although I care nothing about changing this election, I am not against these suits moving forward in order to make sure that confidence in our process and elections is restored. Democrats had no faith in 2016 and Republicans no faith in 2020. Democrats acting like this is 'unique' are laughable. The specifics may be unique, but the concept that an election did not reflect the will of the people and the options that result is not at all.

So if a few morons claimed the 2016 election was stolen, that makes it okay for millions of morons to claim the 2020 election was stolen?

For Gods sake man, Hillary conceded in no time and that election was much much much closer. There is NO comparison to what trump and his minions are doing here to 2016. And throw in that he's likely only doing this to raise money, makes it even worse.

75,000,000 people voted for Trump. The majority of them believe there was fraudulent activity based on events seen on election night via broadcast and web media. Those events were followed up with eye-witness legally sworn testimony of fraudulent activities as well as statistical analysis.

There's a meme that's been floating around recently that states:

Quote:One anonymous whistle-blower was OK to impeach the President but 1000s of sworn affidavits on fraud not worth investigating?

For 75 MILLION people, the idea that ONE person can accuse Trump of wrong-doing results in both Democrats and the media going full-throttle on delegitimizing his presidency seemed like a witch hunt. Watching those same politicians and media outlets not only disregard the overwhelming evidence of election fraud but actively censuring it only reinforces the belief of election fraud for those 75,000,000 people.


You don't have to agree that fraud occurred, but to discount very serious and firmly grounded concerns places you in the complicit category.

They. Aren't. That's why the courts are ALL rejecting them! Wake up my good man. You're missing life.

lol...NONE HAVE BEEN HEARD. NOT ONE. NONE HAVE BEEN DISMISSED ON MERITS. NOT ONE.

Lets all acknowledge that Tom continues to rely on the same media that said "nothing to see here" with regard to Hunter Bidens lap top. He's relying on the same media that told us the dossier was serious verfied information. He's relying on the same media that told us Trump was absolutely lying when he said that a vaccine would be ready by the end of the year. So--take young Tom with a grain of salt. He thinks he's right because he actually thinks the propaganda playing over and over again in his ears is real. lol----"Why this was the cleanest and most accurate election ever!!! No fraud anywhere anytime anyway!!!! Now--get back to burning those books I told you to get rid of!!!!"

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it probably is a duck. We all saw what happened and we all really know what happened. Some of us just want to win so bad they will sell their soul to Satan to get it.

PA Responds :

"The cascading series of compounding defects in Texas’s filings is only underscored by the surreal alternate reality that those filings attempt to construct. That alternate reality includes an absurd statistical analysis positing that the probability of PresidentElect Biden winning the election was “one in a quadrillion.” Bill of Complaint at 6. Texas’s effort to get this Court to pick the next President has no basis in law or fact. The Court should not abide this seditious abuse of the judicial process, and should send a clear and unmistakable signal that such abuse must never be replicated."

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/2....FINAL.pdf

(12-10-2020 02:38 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  PA Responds :

"The cascading series of compounding defects in Texas’s filings is only underscored by the surreal alternate realitythat those filings attempt to construct. That alternate reality includes an absurd statistical analysis positing that the probability of PresidentElect Biden winning the election was “one in a quadrillion.” Bill of Complaint at 6. Texas’s effort to get this Court to pick the next President has no basis in law or fact. The Court should not abide this seditious abuse of the judicial process, and should send a clear and unmistakable signal that such abuse must never be replicated."

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/2....FINAL.pdf

the bold txt is sufficient fify...

(12-10-2020 02:38 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  PA Responds :

"The cascading series of compounding defects in Texas’s filings is only underscored by the surreal alternate reality that those filings attempt to construct. That alternate reality includes an absurd statistical analysis positing that the probability of PresidentElect Biden winning the election was “one in a quadrillion.” Bill of Complaint at 6. Texas’s effort to get this Court to pick the next President has no basis in law or fact. The Court should not abide this seditious abuse of the judicial process, and should send a clear and unmistakable signal that such abuse must never be replicated."

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/2....FINAL.pdf

So--math doesnt matter. The election was flawless because we said it was---but---whatever you do----dont make us reverify those signatures.....because they are super duper perfect.....trust us. I just dont understand why verifying signatures is so opposed by all these election officials that claiming everything is "perfect" and 2020 was the "most fraud free election ever". If thats the case---I'd think they would be proud to to show how effective and flawless their signature verification system worked.

(12-10-2020 02:53 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-10-2020 02:38 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  PA Responds :

"The cascading series of compounding defects in Texas’s filings is only underscored by the surreal alternate reality that those filings attempt to construct. That alternate reality includes an absurd statistical analysis positing that the probability of PresidentElect Biden winning the election was “one in a quadrillion.” Bill of Complaint at 6. Texas’s effort to get this Court to pick the next President has no basis in law or fact. The Court should not abide this seditious abuse of the judicial process, and should send a clear and unmistakable signal that such abuse must never be replicated."

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/2....FINAL.pdf

So--math doesnt matter. The election was flawless because we said it was---but---whatever you do----dont make us reverify those signatures.....because they are super duper perfect.....trust us

If your math is based on absurd assumptions then yes, it doesn't matter.

DC and 22 states file in support of GA, PA, WI, MI.

MOTION FOR LEAVE TO FILE AND BRIEF FOR THE
DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA AND THE STATES AND TERRITORIES OF
CALIFORNIA, COLORADO, CONNECTICUT, DELAWARE, GUAM, HAWAII,
ILLINOIS, MAINE, MARYLAND, MASSACHUSETTS, MINNESOTA,
NEVADA, NEW JERSEY, NEW MEXICO, NEW YORK, NORTH CAROLINA,
OREGON, RHODE ISLAND, VERMONT, VIRGINIA, U.S. VIRGIN ISLANDS,
AND WASHINGTON AS AMICI CURIAE IN SUPPORT OF DEFENDANTS
AND IN OPPOSITION TO PLAINTIFF’S MOTION FOR LEAVE TO FILE A
BILL OF COMPLAINT

(12-10-2020 02:29 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-10-2020 10:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-10-2020 10:16 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 01:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 01:28 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  This is actually false. The attempt is to show 'fraud'... and thus an extra 50,000 votes randomly showing up in a liberal stronghold that skews 90/10 for Biden with no other similar outcomes in the other direction is highly suspicious/statistically improbable.... so while your statement above may not be incorrect, it isn't the entire basis of their position. It is merely the baseline for it.


This. Hence although I care nothing about changing this election, I am not against these suits moving forward in order to make sure that confidence in our process and elections is restored. Democrats had no faith in 2016 and Republicans no faith in 2020. Democrats acting like this is 'unique' are laughable. The specifics may be unique, but the concept that an election did not reflect the will of the people and the options that result is not at all.

So if a few morons claimed the 2016 election was stolen, that makes it okay for millions of morons to claim the 2020 election was stolen?

For Gods sake man, Hillary conceded in no time and that election was much much much closer. There is NO comparison to what trump and his minions are doing here to 2016. And throw in that he's likely only doing this to raise money, makes it even worse.

75,000,000 people voted for Trump. The majority of them believe there was fraudulent activity based on events seen on election night via broadcast and web media. Those events were followed up with eye-witness legally sworn testimony of fraudulent activities as well as statistical analysis.

There's a meme that's been floating around recently that states:

Quote:One anonymous whistle-blower was OK to impeach the President but 1000s of sworn affidavits on fraud not worth investigating?

For 75 MILLION people, the idea that ONE person can accuse Trump of wrong-doing results in both Democrats and the media going full-throttle on delegitimizing his presidency seemed like a witch hunt. Watching those same politicians and media outlets not only disregard the overwhelming evidence of election fraud but actively censuring it only reinforces the belief of election fraud for those 75,000,000 people.


You don't have to agree that fraud occurred, but to discount very serious and firmly grounded concerns places you in the complicit category.

They. Aren't. That's why the courts are ALL rejecting them! Wake up my good man. You're missing life.

lol...NONE HAVE BEEN HEARD. NOT ONE. NONE HAVE BEEN DISMISSED ON MERITS. NOT ONE.

Lets all acknowledge that Tom continues to rely on the same media that said "nothing to see here" with regard to Hunter Bidens lap top. He's relying on the same media that told us the dossier was serious verfied information. He's relying on the same media that told us Trump was absolutely lying when he said that a vaccine would be ready by the end of the year. So--take young Tom with a grain of salt. He thinks he's right because he actually thinks the propaganda playing over and over again in his ears is real. lol----"Why this was the cleanest and most accurate election ever!!! No fraud anywhere anytime anyway!!!! Now--get back to burning those books I told you to get rid of!!!!"

What on earth are you talking about? Have you not ready any of these opinions or decisions by the courts? I've read several where they take apart each one of these so called witnesses. Ones that don't get heard are mostly due to the fact that trump's lawyers are inept...asking for remedies against stuff that has already passed their expiration date, etc. or just improper filings.

It's my opinion that trump doesn't really want many of them decided anyway. He's using his base like clowns...raising millions.

Ohio weighs in...

Michigan responds :

The Constitution has entrusted the states to determine their electors in a presidential election. Consistent with Michigan law, the State of Michigan has certified its presidential vote and the election in Michigan is over. The challenge here is an unprecedented one, without factual foundation or a valid legal basis. This Court should summarily dismiss the motion to file the bill of complaint. To do otherwise would make this Court the arbiter of all future national elections.

The base of Texas’s claims rests on an assertion that Michigan has violated its own election laws. Not true. That claim has been rejected in the federal and state courts in Michigan, and just yesterday the Michigan Supreme Court rejected a last-ditch effort to request an audit. Not only is the complaint meritless here, but its jurisdictional flaws abound and provide solid ground to dispose of this action.

(12-10-2020 03:03 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-10-2020 02:29 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-10-2020 10:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-10-2020 10:16 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 01:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  So if a few morons claimed the 2016 election was stolen, that makes it okay for millions of morons to claim the 2020 election was stolen?

For Gods sake man, Hillary conceded in no time and that election was much much much closer. There is NO comparison to what trump and his minions are doing here to 2016. And throw in that he's likely only doing this to raise money, makes it even worse.

75,000,000 people voted for Trump. The majority of them believe there was fraudulent activity based on events seen on election night via broadcast and web media. Those events were followed up with eye-witness legally sworn testimony of fraudulent activities as well as statistical analysis.

There's a meme that's been floating around recently that states:

Quote:One anonymous whistle-blower was OK to impeach the President but 1000s of sworn affidavits on fraud not worth investigating?

For 75 MILLION people, the idea that ONE person can accuse Trump of wrong-doing results in both Democrats and the media going full-throttle on delegitimizing his presidency seemed like a witch hunt. Watching those same politicians and media outlets not only disregard the overwhelming evidence of election fraud but actively censuring it only reinforces the belief of election fraud for those 75,000,000 people.


You don't have to agree that fraud occurred, but to discount very serious and firmly grounded concerns places you in the complicit category.

They. Aren't. That's why the courts are ALL rejecting them! Wake up my good man. You're missing life.

lol...NONE HAVE BEEN HEARD. NOT ONE. NONE HAVE BEEN DISMISSED ON MERITS. NOT ONE.

Lets all acknowledge that Tom continues to rely on the same media that said "nothing to see here" with regard to Hunter Bidens lap top. He's relying on the same media that told us the dossier was serious verfied information. He's relying on the same media that told us Trump was absolutely lying when he said that a vaccine would be ready by the end of the year. So--take young Tom with a grain of salt. He thinks he's right because he actually thinks the propaganda playing over and over again in his ears is real. lol----"Why this was the cleanest and most accurate election ever!!! No fraud anywhere anytime anyway!!!! Now--get back to burning those books I told you to get rid of!!!!"

What on earth are you talking about? Have you not ready any of these opinions or decisions by the courts? I've read several where they take apart each one of these so called witnesses. Ones that don't get heard are mostly due to the fact that trump's lawyers are inept...asking for remedies against stuff that has already passed their expiration date, etc. or just improper filings.

It's my opinion that trump either doesn't want many of them decided anyway. He's using his base like clowns...raising millions.

NOT. ONE. WITNESS. TESTIFIED. IN. THOSE. COURTS.

NOT ONE.

Sorry. Every one of those judges dismissed the case on something other than merit. I know that because they never heard the cases. Most were dismissed on the basis of being too late, no standing, or some other technicality. The truth is, I suspect these judges really dont want to hear these cases--because if its true---its a huge issue. This isnt some local dog catcher election where its not a big deal---its the presidency.

By the way, most of these cases are not really dismissed---they are simply not granting the immediate injunctive relief requested (but it will give the judge later grounds to dismiss the case as moot since the inauguration will be Jan 20). I think these judges are flat out afraid. They dont want to find out if the claims are true because they fear finding out the claims ARE true far more than they fear the general low grade public distrust that results from a seriously suspicious looking election.

(12-10-2020 03:03 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-10-2020 02:29 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-10-2020 10:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-10-2020 10:16 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 01:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  So if a few morons claimed the 2016 election was stolen, that makes it okay for millions of morons to claim the 2020 election was stolen?

For Gods sake man, Hillary conceded in no time and that election was much much much closer. There is NO comparison to what trump and his minions are doing here to 2016. And throw in that he's likely only doing this to raise money, makes it even worse.

75,000,000 people voted for Trump. The majority of them believe there was fraudulent activity based on events seen on election night via broadcast and web media. Those events were followed up with eye-witness legally sworn testimony of fraudulent activities as well as statistical analysis.

There's a meme that's been floating around recently that states:

Quote:One anonymous whistle-blower was OK to impeach the President but 1000s of sworn affidavits on fraud not worth investigating?

For 75 MILLION people, the idea that ONE person can accuse Trump of wrong-doing results in both Democrats and the media going full-throttle on delegitimizing his presidency seemed like a witch hunt. Watching those same politicians and media outlets not only disregard the overwhelming evidence of election fraud but actively censuring it only reinforces the belief of election fraud for those 75,000,000 people.


You don't have to agree that fraud occurred, but to discount very serious and firmly grounded concerns places you in the complicit category.

They. Aren't. That's why the courts are ALL rejecting them! Wake up my good man. You're missing life.

lol...NONE HAVE BEEN HEARD. NOT ONE. NONE HAVE BEEN DISMISSED ON MERITS. NOT ONE.

Lets all acknowledge that Tom continues to rely on the same media that said "nothing to see here" with regard to Hunter Bidens lap top. He's relying on the same media that told us the dossier was serious verfied information. He's relying on the same media that told us Trump was absolutely lying when he said that a vaccine would be ready by the end of the year. So--take young Tom with a grain of salt. He thinks he's right because he actually thinks the propaganda playing over and over again in his ears is real. lol----"Why this was the cleanest and most accurate election ever!!! No fraud anywhere anytime anyway!!!! Now--get back to burning those books I told you to get rid of!!!!"

What on earth are you talking about? Have you not ready any of these opinions or decisions by the courts? I've read several where they take apart each one of these so called witnesses. Ones that don't get heard are mostly due to the fact that trump's lawyers are inept...asking for remedies against stuff that has already passed their expiration date, etc. or just improper filings.

It's my opinion that trump doesn't really want many of them decided anyway. He's using his base like clowns...raising millions.

Raised 200 million, 70% going to Trumps PAC that he can spend on travel and launder through his hotels over the next four years. Spent like 8M on the election challenges.

The grift is on.

(12-10-2020 03:14 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-10-2020 03:03 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-10-2020 02:29 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-10-2020 10:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-10-2020 10:16 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  75,000,000 people voted for Trump. The majority of them believe there was fraudulent activity based on events seen on election night via broadcast and web media. Those events were followed up with eye-witness legally sworn testimony of fraudulent activities as well as statistical analysis.

There's a meme that's been floating around recently that states:



For 75 MILLION people, the idea that ONE person can accuse Trump of wrong-doing results in both Democrats and the media going full-throttle on delegitimizing his presidency seemed like a witch hunt. Watching those same politicians and media outlets not only disregard the overwhelming evidence of election fraud but actively censuring it only reinforces the belief of election fraud for those 75,000,000 people.


You don't have to agree that fraud occurred, but to discount very serious and firmly grounded concerns places you in the complicit category.

They. Aren't. That's why the courts are ALL rejecting them! Wake up my good man. You're missing life.

lol...NONE HAVE BEEN HEARD. NOT ONE. NONE HAVE BEEN DISMISSED ON MERITS. NOT ONE.

Lets all acknowledge that Tom continues to rely on the same media that said "nothing to see here" with regard to Hunter Bidens lap top. He's relying on the same media that told us the dossier was serious verfied information. He's relying on the same media that told us Trump was absolutely lying when he said that a vaccine would be ready by the end of the year. So--take young Tom with a grain of salt. He thinks he's right because he actually thinks the propaganda playing over and over again in his ears is real. lol----"Why this was the cleanest and most accurate election ever!!! No fraud anywhere anytime anyway!!!! Now--get back to burning those books I told you to get rid of!!!!"

What on earth are you talking about? Have you not ready any of these opinions or decisions by the courts? I've read several where they take apart each one of these so called witnesses. Ones that don't get heard are mostly due to the fact that trump's lawyers are inept...asking for remedies against stuff that has already passed their expiration date, etc. or just improper filings.

It's my opinion that trump either doesn't want many of them decided anyway. He's using his base like clowns...raising millions.

NOT. ONE. WITNESS. TESTIFIED. IN. THOSE. COURTS.

NOT ONE.

Sorry. Every one of those judges dismissed the case on something other than merit. I know that because they never heard the cases. Most were dismissed on the basis of being too late, no standing, or some other technicality. The truth is, I suspect these judges really dont want to hear these cases--because if its true---its a huge issue. This isnt some local dog catcher election where its not a big deal---its the presidency.

By the way, most of these cases are not really dismissed---they are simply not granting the immediate injunctive relief requested (but it will give the judge later grounds to dismiss the case as moot since the inauguration will be Jan 20). I think they dont want to find out if the claims are true because they fear finding out the claims ARE true far more than they fear the general low grade distrust that results from a seriously suspicious looking election.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion...as wrong at it is.

(12-10-2020 03:15 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(12-10-2020 03:03 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-10-2020 02:29 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-10-2020 10:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-10-2020 10:16 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  75,000,000 people voted for Trump. The majority of them believe there was fraudulent activity based on events seen on election night via broadcast and web media. Those events were followed up with eye-witness legally sworn testimony of fraudulent activities as well as statistical analysis.

There's a meme that's been floating around recently that states:



For 75 MILLION people, the idea that ONE person can accuse Trump of wrong-doing results in both Democrats and the media going full-throttle on delegitimizing his presidency seemed like a witch hunt. Watching those same politicians and media outlets not only disregard the overwhelming evidence of election fraud but actively censuring it only reinforces the belief of election fraud for those 75,000,000 people.


You don't have to agree that fraud occurred, but to discount very serious and firmly grounded concerns places you in the complicit category.

They. Aren't. That's why the courts are ALL rejecting them! Wake up my good man. You're missing life.

lol...NONE HAVE BEEN HEARD. NOT ONE. NONE HAVE BEEN DISMISSED ON MERITS. NOT ONE.

Lets all acknowledge that Tom continues to rely on the same media that said "nothing to see here" with regard to Hunter Bidens lap top. He's relying on the same media that told us the dossier was serious verfied information. He's relying on the same media that told us Trump was absolutely lying when he said that a vaccine would be ready by the end of the year. So--take young Tom with a grain of salt. He thinks he's right because he actually thinks the propaganda playing over and over again in his ears is real. lol----"Why this was the cleanest and most accurate election ever!!! No fraud anywhere anytime anyway!!!! Now--get back to burning those books I told you to get rid of!!!!"

What on earth are you talking about? Have you not ready any of these opinions or decisions by the courts? I've read several where they take apart each one of these so called witnesses. Ones that don't get heard are mostly due to the fact that trump's lawyers are inept...asking for remedies against stuff that has already passed their expiration date, etc. or just improper filings.

It's my opinion that trump doesn't really want many of them decided anyway. He's using his base like clowns...raising millions.

Raised 200 million, 70% going to Trumps PAC that he can spend on travel and launder through his hotels over the next four years. Spent like 8M on the election challenges.

The grift is on.

And it all makes sense when you think about it. He's cash broke otherwise and no US bank is going to lend him any money. So he'll bilk his idiot base...and then declare he's running in 2024 so he can keep the grift going. Not to mention, his "promise" of another run will likely result in foreign countries being willing to lend him money in hopes of future influence. You always have to follow the money with this conman.

(12-10-2020 03:11 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  Michigan responds :

The Constitution has entrusted the states to determine their electors in a presidential election. Consistent with Michigan law, the State of Michigan has certified its presidential vote and the election in Michigan is over. The challenge here is an unprecedented one, without factual foundation or a valid legal basis. This Court should summarily dismiss the motion to file the bill of complaint. To do otherwise would make this Court the arbiter of all future national elections.

The base of Texas’s claims rests on an assertion that Michigan has violated its own election laws. Not true. That claim has been rejected in the federal and state courts in Michigan, and just yesterday the Michigan Supreme Court rejected a last-ditch effort to request an audit. Not only is the complaint meritless here, but its jurisdictional flaws abound and provide solid ground to dispose of this action.

And this is what I find the most distressing. Its pretty obvious to even the most common layman that the plain english laws of Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan that the laws were broken (especially in Pennsylvania). Yet---those courts wont even listen to arguments? At some point, the gas lighting by public officials who just want to let the fraudulent vote stand simply becomes a farce.

(12-10-2020 03:18 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And it all makes sense when you think about it. He's cash broke otherwise and no US bank is going to lend him any money. So he'll bilk his idiot base...and then declare he's running in 2024 so he can keep the grift going. Not to mention, his "promise" of another run will likely result in foreign countries being willing to lend him money in hopes of future influence. You always have to follow the money with this conman.

That's quite a bit of speculation based upon no factual evidence.

"He's cash broke." Based upon what? You haven't seen his bank statements, have you? By any reckoning, he has substantial assets which could be liquidated fairly quickly if need be.

Everything else from there to the end of your screed pretty much depends on that. And that is questionable at best.

(12-10-2020 03:21 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-10-2020 03:11 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  Michigan responds :

The Constitution has entrusted the states to determine their electors in a presidential election. Consistent with Michigan law, the State of Michigan has certified its presidential vote and the election in Michigan is over. The challenge here is an unprecedented one, without factual foundation or a valid legal basis. This Court should summarily dismiss the motion to file the bill of complaint. To do otherwise would make this Court the arbiter of all future national elections.

The base of Texas’s claims rests on an assertion that Michigan has violated its own election laws. Not true. That claim has been rejected in the federal and state courts in Michigan, and just yesterday the Michigan Supreme Court rejected a last-ditch effort to request an audit. Not only is the complaint meritless here, but its jurisdictional flaws abound and provide solid ground to dispose of this action.

And this is what I find the most distressing. Its pretty obvious to even the most common layman that the plain english laws of Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan that the laws were broken (especially in Pennsylvania). Yet---those courts wont even listen to arguments? At some point, the gas lighting by public officials who just want to let the fraudulent vote stand simply becomes a farce.

Because the arguments aren't valid. Nothing these states did have been shown to disenfranchise any voters nor count votes that were never cast by the voters.

Courts, with good reason, are VERY reluctant to not count votes from people who are acting in good faith to exercise their constitutional right of voting.

None of this means there was any grand fraud perpetrated.

Not to mention that the vast majority of these so called arguments are just people who don't know what the **** they're talking about!

(12-10-2020 03:25 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-10-2020 03:18 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And it all makes sense when you think about it. He's cash broke otherwise and no US bank is going to lend him any money. So he'll bilk his idiot base...and then declare he's running in 2024 so he can keep the grift going. Not to mention, his "promise" of another run will likely result in foreign countries being willing to lend him money in hopes of future influence. You always have to follow the money with this conman.

That's quite a bit of speculation based upon no factual evidence.

"He's cash broke." Based upon what? You haven't seen his bank statements, have you? By any reckoning, he has substantial assets which could be liquidated fairly quickly if need be.

Everything else from there to the end of your screed pretty much depends on that. And that is questionable at best.

I base my opinion on reporting that I find credible...just as you base your "fraud enough to overturn the election" claim on reporting you find credible.

Nobody really expects these states where everything is all screwed up to just come out and admit that there were major problems.

They are all in CYA mode, never mind that in the minds of half the country, their state is now a laughing stock, unable to run an election cleanly and get their votes counted in a timely matter.

Look at Florida and how screwed up their elections were in the past. This time, they had everything wrapped up on Election night. It can be done but not if you have a certain party who happens to control the 'machinery' and has a pre-determined outcome as your goal.

(12-10-2020 03:29 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Nobody really expects these states where everything is all screwed up to just come out and admit that there were major problems.

They are all in CYA mode, never mind that in the minds of half the country, their state is now a laughing stock, unable to run an election cleanly and get their votes counted in a timely matter.

Look at Florida and how screwed up their elections were in the past. This time, they had everything wrapped up on Election night. It can be done but not if you have a certain party who happens to control the 'machinery' and has a pre-determined outcome as your goal.

Dude, you can't be this ******* stupid. BOTH Michigan and Pennsylvania tried to make changes like Florida so they could process mail in ballots early and the GOP blocked them in both states. This lead directly to what we had...counting the next day. If the changes were made, trump would have never been way ahead and would not be able to claim he was cheated and raised money off of that. Interesting.....