I am seeing this as a civil war among Republicans vs Republicans. The Republicans who are in the know in these states being sued said there were no fraud. Republicans from outside of the states are screaming fraud. Do you want Trump to destroy the Republican party by having elected leaders fighting others?

(12-09-2020 01:16 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 11:46 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 11:42 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 10:59 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 10:31 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  I'm not talking about the vote counts.

Post your statistical analysis.

why explain what has already been defined in too many other threads...

pissin' on tits is excramentally insolvent....

I haven't seen a valid statistical analysis posted in the other threads, they have all been fundamentally flawed.

therefore, ewe offer zero proof = 0...

yet, ewe offer nothing to invalidate...

the numbers/timeline/forensics relative to historical #s/%s vs. 2020 IN THE POTUS ELECTION IS BY ITSELF A STATISTICAL IMPOSSIBILITY IN A HANDFUL OF COUNTIES....WTF ELSE IS RELEVANT, DIPSHITE...

EWE'RE A TROLL + STATISTICALLY BRAINDEAD

if ya choose to take down the fairness clause, I can fix that down the road at my choosing....

#suckThatTeat

You have no relevant argument to present. I don't have to offer proof to dispute the drivel you are typing.

Someone posted that the statistical analysis was valid and swayed their thinking, I asked to see it.

If you think you have a valid statistical analysis that supports fraud post it or STFU.

These 4 states illegally changed election rules in their states. If the SCOTUS allows them to get away with it, they will forever have corrupted election law in this country. Texas HAD to pursue this. Happy that the SCOTUS is hearing the case.

(12-09-2020 09:38 AM)Claw Wrote:  Anyone got the current list of states on the suit?

Yes. Texas.

As of a couple hours ago, no other states have officially joined.

(12-09-2020 02:23 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  These 4 states illegally changed election rules in their states. If the SCOTUS allows them to get away with it, they will forever have corrupted election law in this country. Texas HAD to pursue this. Happy that the SCOTUS is hearing the case.

States run their own elections and have wide reaching power to do so.
Those states are okay with those changes currently based upon their supreme court rulings to date.

This is going nowhere.

(12-09-2020 02:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 02:23 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  These 4 states illegally changed election rules in their states. If the SCOTUS allows them to get away with it, they will forever have corrupted election law in this country. Texas HAD to pursue this. Happy that the SCOTUS is hearing the case.

States run their own elections and have wide reaching power to do so.
Those states are okay with those changes currently based upon their supreme court rulings to date.

This is going nowhere.

THEY DIDNT FOLLOW THE LAW.

States have power to run their elections by passing election law. But they must follow that law.

(12-09-2020 02:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 02:23 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  These 4 states illegally changed election rules in their states. If the SCOTUS allows them to get away with it, they will forever have corrupted election law in this country. Texas HAD to pursue this. Happy that the SCOTUS is hearing the case.

States run their own elections and have wide reaching power to do so.
Those states are okay with those changes currently based upon their supreme court rulings to date.

This is going nowhere.

Could be. We'll see.

(12-09-2020 02:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 02:23 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  These 4 states illegally changed election rules in their states. If the SCOTUS allows them to get away with it, they will forever have corrupted election law in this country. Texas HAD to pursue this. Happy that the SCOTUS is hearing the case.

States run their own elections and have wide reaching power to do so.
Those states are okay with those changes currently based upon their supreme court rulings to date.

This is going nowhere.

They have wide-reaching power that they didn't use.

They went the other way. The way that isn't legal.

(12-09-2020 01:41 PM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 01:16 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 11:46 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 11:42 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 10:59 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  Post your statistical analysis.

why explain what has already been defined in too many other threads...

pissin' on tits is excramentally insolvent....

I haven't seen a valid statistical analysis posted in the other threads, they have all been fundamentally flawed.

therefore, ewe offer zero proof = 0...

yet, ewe offer nothing to invalidate...

the numbers/timeline/forensics relative to historical #s/%s vs. 2020 IN THE POTUS ELECTION IS BY ITSELF A STATISTICAL IMPOSSIBILITY IN A HANDFUL OF COUNTIES....WTF ELSE IS RELEVANT, DIPSHITE...

EWE'RE A TROLL + STATISTICALLY BRAINDEAD

if ya choose to take down the fairness clause, I can fix that down the road at my choosing....

#suckThatTeat

You have no relevant argument to present. I don't have to offer proof to dispute the drivel you are typing.

Someone posted that the statistical analysis was valid and swayed their thinking, I asked to see it.

If you think you have a valid statistical analysis that supports fraud post it or STFU.

I gave ewe (as others have in detail in tooooooo many threads) a synopsis above...playing coy via ignorance is never valid rreasoning to dispute...that's all ewe and skewering dipshites have in the tank...we knew such long ago....all the faggoos accomplished was to cheat better than anticipated....that was a misstep...

I know ewer game....see sig line 4...

(12-09-2020 01:39 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I am seeing this as a civil war among Republicans vs Republicans. The Republicans who are in the know in these states being sued said there were no fraud. Republicans from outside of the states are screaming fraud. Do you want Trump to destroy the Republican party by having elected leaders fighting others?

What are you even talking about? In Georgia, criminal election behavior has been PROVEN. They are counting votes after throwing out all the media and observers (there is air tight video evidence). Furthermore, the biggest and most likely source of fraud---the signatures on the mail in ballots---have never been verified against the actual signatures in the voter data base. Honestly--thats all most Republicans want (its all I want at any rate). Verify the signatures and let the chips fall where they may. If they show Trump lost---so be it----But if the signatures dont match---those votes are fraudulent and need to be tossed. There is nothing unreasonable or odd about that request---yet everyone seems to be scared to death to actually check the signatures in a way that is meaningful. Even you'd have to admit that refusal to do something so reasonable and prudent is suspicious as hell.

(12-09-2020 02:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 02:23 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  These 4 states illegally changed election rules in their states. If the SCOTUS allows them to get away with it, they will forever have corrupted election law in this country. Texas HAD to pursue this. Happy that the SCOTUS is hearing the case.

States run their own elections and have wide reaching power to do so.
Those states are okay with those changes currently based upon their supreme court rulings to date.

This is going nowhere.

Obama was that convinced about Heller as well.

The SCOTUS has heard TONS of cases regarding 'late changes' to election processes... and most often sided with the unconstitutionality of that. So it remains to be seen how they define 'late'... and that is only one potential issue. The challenge here is interesting in that it isn't someone in Georgia complaining that the late change disenfranchised them, it is that the late changes in GA impacted the outcome of the state (which would be the same argument) but also the outcome for the nation (which is how Texas claims standing). Interesting position to take... obviously done to avoid distracting Republicans in the state from the run-off. They don't have to worry about this. They aren't really being sued per se. Democrats would be the ones responding to the challenge because they want to keep the outcome.

I have no idea how they will decide... they MAY take a pass based on jurisdiction which is essentially what you argue... but clearly there is not a consensus about that, else they wouldn't even hear the opening arguments.

(12-08-2020 10:07 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  What a laughable, subjective filing.
“Democrat voters” receiving more favorable treatment”... how is that to be determined?

“The appearance of voting irregularities”... a claim that has been consistently disproven, oft-times “with prejudice”, by lower courts

This filing is nothing more than a Trump stump speech written in legalese; so no, it will not be taken up by the SCOTUS.

Ooooops.

More mensa.

(12-09-2020 02:50 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 01:39 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I am seeing this as a civil war among Republicans vs Republicans. The Republicans who are in the know in these states being sued said there were no fraud. Republicans from outside of the states are screaming fraud. Do you want Trump to destroy the Republican party by having elected leaders fighting others?

What are you even talking about? In Georgia, criminal election behavior has been PROVEN. They are counting votes after throwing out all the media and observers (there is air tight video evidence). Furthermore, the biggest and most likely source of fraud---the signatures on the mail in ballots---have never been verified against the actual signatures in the voter data base. Honestly--thats all most Republicans want (its all I want at any rate). Verify the signatures and let the chips fall where they may. If they show Trump lost---so be it----But if the signatures dont match---those votes are fraudulent and need to be tossed. There is nothing unreasonable or odd about that request---yet everyone seems to be scared to death to actually check the signatures in a way that is meaningful. Even you'd have to admit that refusal to do something so reasonable and prudent is suspicious as hell.

Saying 'there is no fraud' and saying that signatures were not verified are not the same thing... so responding to David, you're reading too many headlines and not enough of the subject or actual court filings. The ballots aren't necessarily FRAUDULENT (which requires proof of intent to deceive) but they ARE potentially INVALID. SO there can be no proof of fraud, but also invalid votes which were cast as a result of changes to the rules that may have made it impossible/impractical to verify all of the signatures.... and people usually call ballots thrown out because they fail verification, fraud.... even if that doesn't fit the legal definition. They COULD be fraudulent, but they have not been proven to be so. There is no need to prove them fraudulent to have them thrown out. They just need to be determined 'not to match', however THAT is defined.

(12-09-2020 02:50 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 01:39 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I am seeing this as a civil war among Republicans vs Republicans. The Republicans who are in the know in these states being sued said there were no fraud. Republicans from outside of the states are screaming fraud. Do you want Trump to destroy the Republican party by having elected leaders fighting others?

What are you even talking about? In Georgia, criminal election behavior has been PROVEN. They are counting votes after throwing out all the media and observers (there is air tight video evidence). Furthermore, the biggest and most likely source of fraud---the signatures on the mail in ballots---have never been verified against the actual signatures in the voter data base. Honestly--thats all most Republicans want (its all I want at any rate). Verify the signatures and let the chips fall where they may. If they show Trump lost---so be it----But if the signatures dont match---those votes are fraudulent and need to be tossed. There is nothing unreasonable or odd about that request---yet everyone seems to be scared to death to actually check the signatures in a way that is meaningful. Even you'd have to admit that refusal to do something so reasonable and prudent is suspicious as hell.

The Republicans who were in those rooms saw that the ballots were checked. It was a lie by somebody who was not allowed to witnessed the counting, and videos can be doctored. They have found that some of these videos had been altered a bit or edited in some places. I am calling the fraud on the Trump's team for trying to steal the election away from Biden. You guys can't faced the facts that Biden is more popular with favorable ratings of 54% of this country. Trump have about 60% disapproval ratings. Biden is at the point of his favorable polling.

To the infighting claim... I actually think this could be a bit of brilliance in that Republicans in GA aren't going to defend the suit much, but Democrats in GA will... while a run-off election is taking place.

But more to the point, this position merely deflects from the actual infighting going on between Dems and Progs over Biden's cabinet. They haven't even STARTED talking about legislation and we're seeing some fairly heavy jabs.

(12-09-2020 03:11 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The Republicans who were in those rooms saw that the ballots were checked. It was a lie by somebody who was not allowed to witnessed the counting, and videos can be doctored. They have found that some of these videos had been altered a bit or edited in some places. I am calling the fraud on the Trump's team for trying to steal the election away from Biden. You guys can't faced the facts that Biden is more popular with favorable ratings of 54% of this country. Trump have about 60% disapproval ratings. Biden is at the point of his favorable polling.

Rules are rules dude. If they followed the rules then they will be upheld and you have nothing to worry about...

That said, Biden's favorability is meaningless as are any polls, once again despite a poor showing in 2016, STILL missed the boat pretty badly in 2020.

Most of the Republicans unhappy with Trump's decisions here would still welcome him in office over Biden by a wide margin.

(12-09-2020 03:13 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  To the infighting claim... I actually think this could be a bit of brilliance in that Republicans in GA aren't going to defend the suit much, but Democrats in GA will... while a run-off election is taking place.

But more to the point, this position merely deflects from the actual infighting going on between Dems and Progs over Biden's cabinet. They haven't even STARTED talking about legislation and we're seeing some fairly heavy jabs.

Meh.

There isn't really anything for any Democrats in Georgia to do/worry about. It would most likely be up to the State AG to answer to anything that SCOTUS asks for, and he's a Republican.

Regardless, look for SCOTUS to just issue another denied statement like they did for PA.

This case will represent a new definition of 'Frivolous' in legal text books in the future.

Trust me, this stunt is far from brilliant. Ask any SCOTUS expert. It's nothing more than a potential pardon weather balloon for the Texas AG.

(12-09-2020 03:18 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 03:11 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The Republicans who were in those rooms saw that the ballots were checked. It was a lie by somebody who was not allowed to witnessed the counting, and videos can be doctored. They have found that some of these videos had been altered a bit or edited in some places. I am calling the fraud on the Trump's team for trying to steal the election away from Biden. You guys can't faced the facts that Biden is more popular with favorable ratings of 54% of this country. Trump have about 60% disapproval ratings. Biden is at the point of his favorable polling.

Rules are rules dude. If they followed the rules then they will be upheld and you have nothing to worry about...

That said, Biden's favorability is meaningless as are any polls, once again despite a poor showing in 2016, STILL missed the boat pretty badly in 2020.

Most of the Republicans unhappy with Trump's decisions here would still welcome him in office over Biden by a wide margin.

The states handle their own elections. These states have already litigated 2020 and have certified their results, essentially stating they were within the rules as the state sees them. SCOTUS is not going to do anything to change that.

(12-09-2020 03:18 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 03:11 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The Republicans who were in those rooms saw that the ballots were checked. It was a lie by somebody who was not allowed to witnessed the counting, and videos can be doctored. They have found that some of these videos had been altered a bit or edited in some places. I am calling the fraud on the Trump's team for trying to steal the election away from Biden. You guys can't faced the facts that Biden is more popular with favorable ratings of 54% of this country. Trump have about 60% disapproval ratings. Biden is at the point of his favorable polling.

Rules are rules dude. If they followed the rules then they will be upheld and you have nothing to worry about...

That said, Biden's favorability is meaningless as are any polls, once again despite a poor showing in 2016, STILL missed the boat pretty badly in 2020.

Most of the Republicans unhappy with Trump's decisions here would still welcome him in office over Biden by a wide margin.

The Republicans in these states changed the rules in a special session because of this pandemics. The Republicans in these states like PA, Michigan, Wisconsin and Nevada went mail in ballots for something in exchange. The Republicans got what they wanted, and the Democrats got theirs. Trump wants to break that deal which was legal done by the state's legislation in a time of crisis. The Supreme Court will not break that since it was a state's right, and done legally.

So what's next after this fails?