What the hell is wrong with mullets? Btw we were definitely looking at him and Mike Houston

(12-07-2020 02:48 PM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  

(12-07-2020 10:06 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(12-07-2020 09:42 AM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  JMU could/should be hosting top 20 teams like BYU is Harrisonburg

It's one of those things that a fraction don't exhibit excitement on here (I think primarily as support for the administration's decisions), but when it finally happens EVERYONE will be very happy and excited.

Now BDK might be a different situation. I'm not sure his reluctance......

(12-07-2020 10:31 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Some people just really value the path to earning a championship (FCS playoff postseason). I disagree with them, but that’s a valid thought, at least logically.

I'm very happy with where we are. Has nothing to do with the Administration. If they split the P6 and G5 and create a playoff system for G5 I am all in. Otherwise, I much prefer playing for National Championships regularly and hosting Game Days. We get more National exposure by playing in ESPN playoff games on a Friday night and for the Natty on a Saturday morning than catching lightning in a bottle once every lifetime and have a season like CCU this year. Staying relevant will be very difficult for the them. They haven't done much since their World Series title in baseball. We are relevant every year.

If you think more people tuned into a FCS quarter/semi final game over last saturday's CCU/BYU game you are sadly mistaken. The fact that the NC is on saturday morning should tell you how much regular college football fans care about it. According to you we basically have to make the NC every year which isnt guaranteed to get the same amount of exposure as a regular season game for coastal.

The WS that CCU won was also brought up multiple times during the game and the week leading up to it where everyone stated how much it helped their athletic program so i'd say that one season made them relevant for a long time.

Btw we do not regularly host gamedays. It's happened twice. As much as it pains me to say it but espn only considers us when its a terrible slate of games due to some of the big boys having off years. We are never going to be the first choice for gameday while were at the FCS level

(12-08-2020 07:32 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(12-07-2020 02:48 PM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  

(12-07-2020 10:06 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(12-07-2020 09:42 AM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  JMU could/should be hosting top 20 teams like BYU is Harrisonburg

It's one of those things that a fraction don't exhibit excitement on here (I think primarily as support for the administration's decisions), but when it finally happens EVERYONE will be very happy and excited.

Now BDK might be a different situation. I'm not sure his reluctance......

(12-07-2020 10:31 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Some people just really value the path to earning a championship (FCS playoff postseason). I disagree with them, but that’s a valid thought, at least logically.

I'm very happy with where we are. Has nothing to do with the Administration. If they split the P6 and G5 and create a playoff system for G5 I am all in. Otherwise, I much prefer playing for National Championships regularly and hosting Game Days. We get more National exposure by playing in ESPN playoff games on a Friday night and for the Natty on a Saturday morning than catching lightning in a bottle once every lifetime and have a season like CCU this year. Staying relevant will be very difficult for the them. They haven't done much since their World Series title in baseball. We are relevant every year.

If you think more people tuned into a FCS quarter/semi final game over last saturday's CCU/BYU game you are sadly mistaken. The fact that the NC is on saturday morning should tell you how much regular college football fans care about it. According to you we basically have to make the NC every year which isnt guaranteed to get the same amount of exposure as a regular season game for coastal.

The WS that CCU won was also brought up multiple times during the game and the week leading up to it where everyone stated how much it helped their athletic program so i'd say that one season made them relevant for a long time.

Btw we do not regularly host gamedays. It's happened twice. As much as it pains me to say it but espn only considers us when its a terrible slate of games due to some of the big boys having off years. We are never going to be the first choice for gameday while were at the FCS level

So now fans are criticizing our hosting of Gameday because we weren’t the first choice? No schools host it regularly.

Gameday was a huge success for ESPN. Its own Hosts rated it in the top 3 or 5 of all Gamedays they have ever done. It has been proven that being FCS doesn’t impair JMUs ability to host Gameday.

The game last weekend was a great get for Coastal from a branding and advertising perspective. It is pointless to compare it to the branding JMU receives from playoff games and Gameday because both were valuable to their respective schools. It’s like comparing the distance of two home runs. They are both home runs for goodness sake. Who cares how far they went.

If we lose no more money going to FBS isn't that a win?



I have a hard time believing only 20 schools make money. Probably how you spin the calculations.

Big Ten university and the annual revenue they draw from athletics, according to the Equity in Athletics Data Analysis database:

University of Michigan - $175 million
Pennsylvania State University - $164.5 million
University of Wisconsin - $151.3 million
Ohio State University - $147.7 million
University of Iowa - $144 million
University of Nebraska - $130.3 million
Indiana University - $126.4 million
University of Minnesota - $122.7 million
Michigan State University - $116.2 million
Northwestern University - $111.4 million
Purdue University - $110.8 million
University of Maryland - $108.8 million
University of Illinois - $100.2 million
Rutgers University - $83 million

Have to think SEC and ACC make as much or likely more.

Our budget of all costs is around 33 million a year.

I'm not saying G5s make this type of revenues, simply saying it's hard for me to imagine how more than 20 D1 schools don't make money on athletics.

Does their revenue include payments from the TV deals? What else goes into the revenue calculation? How much of Equity in Athletics' revenue calculation would JMU be able to grow if we were at the FBS level?

I'm not asking these questions to be contradictory or take the "FCS for Lyfe" approach, it's actual curiosity. I have heard that only a few schools make money on football, but not sure about the full athletic departments. I'm sure the March Madness money helps, and now that the Men's and Women's College World Series are also getting some air time on the four letter network, there is money to be made from finding success in those sports, especially if the St. Pete's Invitational in softball can keep growing after this year.

(12-08-2020 07:32 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(12-07-2020 02:48 PM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  

(12-07-2020 10:06 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(12-07-2020 09:42 AM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  JMU could/should be hosting top 20 teams like BYU is Harrisonburg

It's one of those things that a fraction don't exhibit excitement on here (I think primarily as support for the administration's decisions), but when it finally happens EVERYONE will be very happy and excited.

Now BDK might be a different situation. I'm not sure his reluctance......

(12-07-2020 10:31 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Some people just really value the path to earning a championship (FCS playoff postseason). I disagree with them, but that’s a valid thought, at least logically.

I'm very happy with where we are. Has nothing to do with the Administration. If they split the P6 and G5 and create a playoff system for G5 I am all in. Otherwise, I much prefer playing for National Championships regularly and hosting Game Days. We get more National exposure by playing in ESPN playoff games on a Friday night and for the Natty on a Saturday morning than catching lightning in a bottle once every lifetime and have a season like CCU this year. Staying relevant will be very difficult for the them. They haven't done much since their World Series title in baseball. We are relevant every year.

If you think more people tuned into a FCS quarter/semi final game over last saturday's CCU/BYU game you are sadly mistaken. The fact that the NC is on saturday morning should tell you how much regular college football fans care about it. According to you we basically have to make the NC every year which isnt guaranteed to get the same amount of exposure as a regular season game for coastal.

The WS that CCU won was also brought up multiple times during the game and the week leading up to it where everyone stated how much it helped their athletic program so i'd say that one season made them relevant for a long time.

Btw we do not regularly host gamedays. It's happened twice. As much as it pains me to say it but espn only considers us when its a terrible slate of games due to some of the big boys having off years. We are never going to be the first choice for gameday while were at the FCS level

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college...ratings/2/

(12-08-2020 10:48 AM)Dukester Wrote:  If we lose no more money going to FBS isn't that a win?



I have a hard time believing only 20 schools make money. Probably how you spin the calculations.

Big Ten university and the annual revenue they draw from athletics, according to the Equity in Athletics Data Analysis database:

University of Michigan - $175 million
Pennsylvania State University - $164.5 million
University of Wisconsin - $151.3 million
Ohio State University - $147.7 million
University of Iowa - $144 million
University of Nebraska - $130.3 million
Indiana University - $126.4 million
University of Minnesota - $122.7 million
Michigan State University - $116.2 million
Northwestern University - $111.4 million
Purdue University - $110.8 million
University of Maryland - $108.8 million
University of Illinois - $100.2 million
Rutgers University - $83 million

Have to think SEC and ACC make as much or likely more.

Our budget of all costs is around 33 million a year.

I'm not saying G5s make this type of revenues, simply saying it's hard for me to imagine how more than 20 D1 schools don't make money on athletics.

of course they make money.

but it's like Patrick Ewing said when justifying his large contract:

"Sure we make a lot. We need it because we spend a lot too"

(12-08-2020 07:32 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(12-07-2020 02:48 PM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  

(12-07-2020 10:06 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(12-07-2020 09:42 AM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  JMU could/should be hosting top 20 teams like BYU is Harrisonburg

It's one of those things that a fraction don't exhibit excitement on here (I think primarily as support for the administration's decisions), but when it finally happens EVERYONE will be very happy and excited.

Now BDK might be a different situation. I'm not sure his reluctance......

(12-07-2020 10:31 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Some people just really value the path to earning a championship (FCS playoff postseason). I disagree with them, but that’s a valid thought, at least logically.

I'm very happy with where we are. Has nothing to do with the Administration. If they split the P6 and G5 and create a playoff system for G5 I am all in. Otherwise, I much prefer playing for National Championships regularly and hosting Game Days. We get more National exposure by playing in ESPN playoff games on a Friday night and for the Natty on a Saturday morning than catching lightning in a bottle once every lifetime and have a season like CCU this year. Staying relevant will be very difficult for the them. They haven't done much since their World Series title in baseball. We are relevant every year.

If you think more people tuned into a FCS quarter/semi final game over last saturday's CCU/BYU game you are sadly mistaken. The fact that the NC is on saturday morning should tell you how much regular college football fans care about it. According to you we basically have to make the NC every year which isnt guaranteed to get the same amount of exposure as a regular season game for coastal.

The WS that CCU won was also brought up multiple times during the game and the week leading up to it where everyone stated how much it helped their athletic program so i'd say that one season made them relevant for a long time.

Btw we do not regularly host gamedays. It's happened twice. As much as it pains me to say it but espn only considers us when its a terrible slate of games due to some of the big boys having off years. We are never going to be the first choice for gameday while were at the FCS level

I think BSKBs point is more that JMU's viewership over the years adds up due to our consistent high level of performance whereas CCU football has been "irrelevant" up until this year and could be completely irrelevant next season. Carry on.

Cincy-Tulsa Game #1 is off.

is this a calculated move by the AAC?

the two were scheduled to meet again in the AAC championship game. By eliminating Saturday's game, this assures that at most you have two 1-loss teams, instead of the possibility
of them splitting the two games and Cincy having 1 loss and Tulsa 2, opening the door for CCU to get the access bowl bid

i think a 1 loss AAC champion in Tulsa gets in over undefeated CCU.

Cancelling Saturday assures either Cincy is unbeaten and its a no brainer. or Tulsa is a 1 loss champ with that only loss being a close one @ a ranked Oklahoma State.

Michigan - Ohio State off.

(12-08-2020 01:54 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  Cincy-Tulsa Game #1 is off.

is this a calculated move by the AAC?

the two were scheduled to meet again in the AAC championship game. By eliminating Saturday's game, this assures that at most you have two 1-loss teams, instead of the possibility
of them splitting the two games and Cincy having 1 loss and Tulsa 2, opening the door for CCU to get the access bowl bid

i think a 1 loss AAC champion in Tulsa gets in over undefeated CCU.

Cancelling Saturday assures either Cincy is unbeaten and its a no brainer. or Tulsa is a 1 loss champ with that only loss being a close one @ a ranked Oklahoma State.

Either way - we're not part of the conversation unfortunately

It would be more exciting to have the chance to be colluded against and screwed over than another NC or two

(12-08-2020 05:02 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  

(12-08-2020 01:54 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  Cincy-Tulsa Game #1 is off.

is this a calculated move by the AAC?

the two were scheduled to meet again in the AAC championship game. By eliminating Saturday's game, this assures that at most you have two 1-loss teams, instead of the possibility
of them splitting the two games and Cincy having 1 loss and Tulsa 2, opening the door for CCU to get the access bowl bid

i think a 1 loss AAC champion in Tulsa gets in over undefeated CCU.

Cancelling Saturday assures either Cincy is unbeaten and its a no brainer. or Tulsa is a 1 loss champ with that only loss being a close one @ a ranked Oklahoma State.

Either way - we're not part of the conversation unfortunately

It would be more exciting to have the chance to be colluded against and screwed over than another NC or two

Yes, I hope we are in Coastal or Liberty’s shoes someday soon. ESPN called the Coastal-BYU game the game of the season like we said on this thread. Amazing game. Can only imagine if all fans had been allowed.

The espn guys have not stopped talking about Coastal the last few days and have been talking about them for most of the season. Same with Liberty to a lesser degree. Now they are talking about Coastal on the top 25 playoff show. We can dream...

(12-08-2020 07:04 PM)jmudukes001 Wrote:  

(12-08-2020 05:02 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  

(12-08-2020 01:54 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  Cincy-Tulsa Game #1 is off.

is this a calculated move by the AAC?

the two were scheduled to meet again in the AAC championship game. By eliminating Saturday's game, this assures that at most you have two 1-loss teams, instead of the possibility
of them splitting the two games and Cincy having 1 loss and Tulsa 2, opening the door for CCU to get the access bowl bid

i think a 1 loss AAC champion in Tulsa gets in over undefeated CCU.

Cancelling Saturday assures either Cincy is unbeaten and its a no brainer. or Tulsa is a 1 loss champ with that only loss being a close one @ a ranked Oklahoma State.

Either way - we're not part of the conversation unfortunately

It would be more exciting to have the chance to be colluded against and screwed over than another NC or two

Yes, I hope we are in Coastal or Liberty’s shoes someday soon. ESPN called the Coastal-BYU game the game of the season like we said on this thread. Amazing game. Can only imagine if all fans had been allowed.

The espn guys have not stopped talking about Coastal the last few days and have been talking about them for most of the season. Same with Liberty to a lesser degree. Now they are talking about Coastal on the top 25 playoff show. We can dream...

Can we also just pause for a moment and remember that we're talking about COASTAL... they didn't even have a football team in 2002 when our win over uva was turning 20 years old and when we were starting our rise to the 2004 national championship.
The nay-sayers like to talk about the P5 country club and the history of Alabama or Ohio State football dating back 100+ years. But let it sink in that I have underwear older than coastal's football team from a university that is almost 50 years younger than JMU with half the enrollment and less than half the endowment and someHOW they are being discussed.

I, for one, will be very interested to watch Coastal's enrollment data over the next 8-20 months (fall 21 and fall 22). For posterity, current enrollment is reported as 10,484 with 70% acceptance rate. "front porch to the university"......

(12-09-2020 08:22 AM)JMUrcc06 Wrote:  

(12-08-2020 07:04 PM)jmudukes001 Wrote:  

(12-08-2020 05:02 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  

(12-08-2020 01:54 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  Cincy-Tulsa Game #1 is off.

is this a calculated move by the AAC?

the two were scheduled to meet again in the AAC championship game. By eliminating Saturday's game, this assures that at most you have two 1-loss teams, instead of the possibility
of them splitting the two games and Cincy having 1 loss and Tulsa 2, opening the door for CCU to get the access bowl bid

i think a 1 loss AAC champion in Tulsa gets in over undefeated CCU.

Cancelling Saturday assures either Cincy is unbeaten and its a no brainer. or Tulsa is a 1 loss champ with that only loss being a close one @ a ranked Oklahoma State.

Either way - we're not part of the conversation unfortunately

It would be more exciting to have the chance to be colluded against and screwed over than another NC or two

Yes, I hope we are in Coastal or Liberty’s shoes someday soon. ESPN called the Coastal-BYU game the game of the season like we said on this thread. Amazing game. Can only imagine if all fans had been allowed.

The espn guys have not stopped talking about Coastal the last few days and have been talking about them for most of the season. Same with Liberty to a lesser degree. Now they are talking about Coastal on the top 25 playoff show. We can dream...

Can we also just pause for a moment and remember that we're talking about COASTAL... they didn't even have a football team in 2002 when our win over uva was turning 20 years old and when we were starting our rise to the 2004 national championship.
The nay-sayers like to talk about the P5 country club and the history of Alabama or Ohio State football dating back 100+ years. But let it sink in that I have underwear older than coastal's football team from a university that is almost 50 years younger than JMU with half the enrollment and less than half the endowment and someHOW they are being discussed.

I, for one, will be very interested to watch Coastal's enrollment data over the next 8-20 months (fall 21 and fall 22). For posterity, current enrollment is reported as 10,484 with 70% acceptance rate. "front porch to the university"......

Be careful, you are making the "we can't" crowd via uncomfortable.

(12-09-2020 03:08 PM)Anders Wrote:  

Call me wat you want, I have become more interested in checking in on ODU, LU, Coastal and & App scores (fcs move ups trying to progress) while I do something useful like exercising than spending all day traveling and watching JMU beat the tar out of Norfolk State, Towson, whomever we are playing at BFS.

I am not saying that I won't go to games at BFS or I wont enjoy the games I do go to, just saying it is not a "must go" like it was years past when I actually thought JMU was going to make a move a be LU or Coastal making a little noise for offering a fight.

Those are strong numbers for the ccu-byu gam. Especially in contrast to the numbers sunbelt games have been drawing all year.

But it’s still funny how some of you boost this up but ignore this:

2016 fcs title game, jmu-ysu: 1.562m viewers
2017 fcs title game, jmu-ndsu: 1.515m viewers
2019 fcs title game, jmu- ndsu: 2.69m viewers.

Some of you act like the college football world is all in on ccu, and the exposure is off the charts, yet the biggest game in their history didn’t draw as many viewers as any of our title game appearances, which are being dismissed as if they didn’t happen and nobody watched.

(12-09-2020 03:40 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  2016 fcs title game, jmu-ysu: 1.562m viewers
2017 fcs title game, jmu-ndsu: 1.515m viewers
2019 fcs title game, jmu- ndsu: 2.69m viewers.

Those are good numbers but the top two were on ESPN while the 2019 was on ABC and were the only game on TV. BYU@CCU was on ESPNU at 5pm against other games. JMU is heavily talked about in the CFB world during the week around the FCS Championship game and a couple days after. CCU has been riding this for half a season and it'll continue for several more weeks if they keep winning.

(12-09-2020 04:23 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(12-09-2020 03:40 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  2016 fcs title game, jmu-ysu: 1.562m viewers
2017 fcs title game, jmu-ndsu: 1.515m viewers
2019 fcs title game, jmu- ndsu: 2.69m viewers.

Those are good numbers but the top two were on ESPN while the 2019 was on ABC and were the only game on TV. BYU@CCU was on ESPNU at 5pm against other games. JMU is heavily talked about in the CFB world during the week around the FCS Championship game and a couple days after. CCU has been riding this for half a season and it'll continue for several more weeks if they keep winning.

Nooo..don't feed the Duke Dawg - these are not comparable stats. Full stop.
- living in the past
- regular season vs FINALS
- the path to reach finals is wayyy less probable than a regular season game

How long can the FCS at all costs crowd hang on? It's damaging JMU