(11-08-2020 02:29 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 01:02 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 12:47 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 12:27 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 11:44 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  They also are very much a religious university, our private schools are nominally religous, Tulsa retains its religious affiliations and has religious degrees but operates as a secular school and has a mosque on campus as well as several christian denominations. SMU is similar if I am remembering correctly. Temple started with a church/school connection but has to a certain extent always been secular. I don't believe Tulane has any religious affiliation. Our privates are closer to eastern private universities or USC/Stanford than we are to the catholic or religious schools of the south.

The AAC is a big tent tolerating the beliefs of all creeds - including those held by the largest Protestant denomination. It would be a shameful and against decency to let bigotry stand in the way of an otherwise acceptable candidate.

They are not an otherwise acceptable candidate. They share nothing in common with the other schools, they are religous, other schools are not. They aren't based on a metro area like almost every other school. They do not come with any of the academics almost every other school has. They do not come with any of the athletic history of a Navy or even an ECU who are the two schools who most don't fit the mold.

Liberty has basically zero success in basketball
Liberty has no history other than a very recent and to be honest not that impressive run in football.
Unlike say Houston, SMU, Tulsa, Tulane, Memphis, and Cincinatti has no past history of association or conference affiliation, or recent relationships with those schools like UCF, USF, or ECU.

Liberty doesn't fit for lots of reasons, the religion/politics is just one.

To clarify, one reason you oppose entry to Liberty is because of their religious and political beliefs despite the fact those beliefs are shared by millions and millions of your fellow Americans?

To clarify, you clearly share those views and want to climb up on that cross, nothing I or anyone else says will stop you from doing that.

Can you name a university that is currently in this conference who has a specifically expressed purpose of promoting a particular religous/political view point?

One of these things is not like the others, this is not a judgement call on their philosophical foundation or anyone else's American or otherwise. One of the many reasons Liberty does not fit is that their primary purpose (higher education based on faith) is not the same as the majority (10/12) of the AAC purpose (higher education for a metro area). They lack the history of having a NYD bowl, just ECU and USF don't have one and many schools have multiples, or producing viable Heisman candidates/winner. They also lack success in an area that the conference has the most recent historical success and ties men's basketball.

You want it to be about Liberty's religon, but it's about trying to slam a square into a round hole. Navy is truly unique and ECU has a more regional setting but if you look at the rest of the conference whether public or private the schools share a lot of characteristics, even in how they have had present and past success is similar (homegrown talent as a core). The not new schools to FBS (UCF/USF) have history in the same conference sometimes multiple times. Most spent time in the MVC, then one group went to the WAC and one went CUSA, then blended together, before separating and then coming back together in the AAC. TCU and Louisville, to a lesser degree Pitt also match this. Liberty doesn't.

Even looking at the consensus contenders its schools either also historically related: Army unique (also past conference school for some teams), Boise a metro (also past conference school for some), BYU unique (also former conference school for some) and with NYD game history and for BYU a strong overall athletic history including basketball. Two of those have national championships. The next most popular option is Air Force who fits with Navy and is mostly talked about as a back up selection.

Liberty doesn't fit any of those descriptions, they have none of that and no commonality with the current majority of schools.

Just to make sure that was clear this time.

Thanks, the answer is yes.

The bottom line is Liberty - like all schools with accreditation - needs to show the money. All else is secondary - especially views on religion where tolerate is a bedrock of our Republic.

(11-08-2020 06:16 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  I hate giving Tulsa fans credit for anything, but they are far and beyond the best at trolling

Sigh... it's true.

Someone on our board said Aresco was on the radio last week and implied we want to add someone rather than stay at 11

(11-07-2020 09:18 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(11-07-2020 07:51 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  You really think 500,000 viewer per game is a good average viewership number?

500,000 viewers for a single game isn't top notch but if you look through the viewership ratings at this website, it would be quite a good average viewership number.

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college...v-ratings/

Let's consider BYU's viewership numbers, for example, since the MWC got off to such a late start:

week 1: 1,150,000
week 2: DNP
week 3: postponed (vs. Army)
week 4: 795,000
week 5: 505,000
week 6: 317,000
week 7: 1,160,000
week 8: 716,000
week 9: 778,000
week 10: not yet available (Boise St.)

At present, BYU's average viewership has been over 700,000 per game, which is higher than any of the other P5 teams.


Now, let's consider Cincy's viewership:

week 1: not available
week 2: not available
week 3: not available
week 4: 1,080,000
week 5: not available
week 6: not available
week 7: not available
week 8: 485,000
week 9: 679,000

Presumably, the "not listed" viewership numbers were below 200,000 per game. If this is correct, then Cincinnati's average 2020 viewership, per game, may be in the 500,000 range.


Navy:

week 1: 1,150,000
week 2: not available
week 3: 1,350,000
week 4: not available
week 5: not available
week 6: not available
week 7: 261,000
week 8: not available
week 9: 218,000

Based on similar assumptions, Navy's average 2020 viewership, per game, may be in the 400,000 to 500,000 range.


KANSAS:

week 1: not listed
week 2: 375,000
week 3: not listed
week 4: 301,000
week 5: 905,000
week 6: not listed
week 7: 1,460,000
week 8: 289,000
week 9: 247,000

These numbers are consistent with an average per game viewership similar to Navy's (400,000 to 500,000 per game)

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Here are some more numbers to consider:

APP ST (data available for weeks 2, 3, & 8):

week 2: 408,000
week 3: 1,250,000
week 8: 384,000

MARSHALL (data available for weeks 1 & 3):

week 1: 980,000
week 3: 1,250,000

MEMPHIS (data available for weeks 1 & 3):

week 1: 1,030,000
week 5: 315,000
week 7: 1,900,000
week 9: 679,000

BOISE STATE:

week 8: 549,000

LOUISIANA:

week 2: 1,680,000
week 3: 422,000
week 4: 246,000

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Some other P5 games:

K ST-WVU 669,000
IND-RUT 506,000
IA ST-KANSAS 247,000
TCU-BAYLOR 353,000
PUR-ILL "not available"
IOWA-PUR 795,000
WVU-TX TECH 685,000
RUT-MSU 608,000
KU-K ST 289,000
MD-NORTHWESTERN 186,000
TX TECH-K ST 557,000
IOWA ST-TCU 346,000
KANSAS-BAYLOR 301,000

I get what you are saying based on this years numbers, but just a reminder, there vis nothing normal about this year.

(11-08-2020 04:50 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 03:36 PM)thespywhozaggedme Wrote:  This thread was so topic specific, yet it has been hijacked by talk of Liberty, Marshall, Oral Roberts, Devry, etc.

sigh

Oh for shame.... someone brought over troll info from another board and it didn't work out the way they thought it would.

Liberty is as viable a candidate as Boise is, which is to say neither will be AAC teams. Go home fanhood.

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(11-08-2020 04:56 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 03:22 PM)panama Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 03:08 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 02:38 PM)panama Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 12:38 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  Like ORU, Samford, or Lipscomb, John Brown University or all kinds of smaller private schools dotted across the south and closely associated with particular faiths. The difference is the size, which is driven by it popularity as an online christian school and it has FBS football which is a product of its christian online school. Much like BYU you can not seperate its religous roots from its educational purpose and everything else stems from that. The basis of most the schools in the AAC is their metro area (ECU is regional and Navy is military), not a faith/religous community. The schools exist to provide a higher education to the people of the city whether private or public. Liberty unlike BYU does not come with a century plus of educational history to ground its academics or its national importance/history in athletics. Liberty doesn't fit well and doesn't come with the advantages necessary to overcome athletic opposition or academic opposition, they are just kind of ok at both.

Any those have an AIU business model?

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Oral Robert's saw a 700ft jesus who told him either the church donated enough money for him to pay the rent or he was going to take Oral on to heaven. I can tell you some other stories about shady things and them losing some accreditation. Other schools have similar shakey academic type structures that don't seem to fit a "normal" higher institution of learning standard or questionable financial models.

Tomato tomato as they say.

And yet...

See that's where speculation ends and reality begins. The reality is that Liberty has offered many many conferences bags of cash and has had zero takers.

Presidents decide and they have at various times decided they don't want the for profit diploma mill. Now think, that part is objectionable to career academics and administrators. Imagine how the icing of their other issues tastes.

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Well, no bigger conference will take them at least. They lack the qualities necessary to get in the AAC or P5. C-USA seems uninterested and far too large already. The MAC is a tight group with long standing ties, they prefer stability and bus travel. The Sunbelt is the up and coming league, which is probably Liberty's best shot, but they too seem totally uninterested. Liberty is the 15 year old foster kid with a history of abuse and a skirting of the rules that has just kept them out of juvenile hall, not a lot of people looking to take that situation on.

In the last realignment cycle everyone was taken and moved except them. CUSA took a bunch of SBC schools and a a few startups from FCS INSTEAD of Liberty. Let's not be disingenuous about this.

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(11-08-2020 05:22 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 04:52 PM)thespywhozaggedme Wrote:  For what it's worth a Wyoming "insider" recently posted this in the same thread:

I have heard rumblings along these lines as well. Nothing concrete, but I would not be surprised at all. We will see but I have a feeling it has legs.

It was determined to be false and completely ridiculous.

Boise State likes being the tallest midget in the MWC.

Or maybe playing schools their fans recognize regionally? What a concept.

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Georgia State....

...All sports

Lol...um.no.

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(11-08-2020 05:51 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  I welcome our Blue Smurf field friends to the AAC

There are two people on this board that I absolutely trust, slhnavy91 and you. Please don't ruin that.

Here's a gem from over there that's kind of funny,

"The Boise v. Tulane rivalry will highlight those responsible for hauling and delivering medical goods versus those responsible for administering them."

(11-08-2020 06:16 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 06:02 PM)thespywhozaggedme Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 05:00 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 04:53 PM)thespywhozaggedme Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 04:50 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  Oh for shame.... someone brought over troll info from another board and it didn't work out the way they thought it would.

Liberty is as viable a candidate as Boise is, which is to say neither will be AAC teams. Go home fanhood.

What is with the "troll" talk? Go back to making videos on tik tok.

Sitting here waiting for a St. Mary's poster on a WCC board to confirm, announcement on next Tuesday.

Of course nothing is official until David St independently verifies colorado school of mines as the MW replacement.

Now this is a quality troll post, fine sir

I hate giving Tulsa fans credit for anything, but they are far and beyond the best at trolling

They have to have something to occupy themselves with until the offseason rolls around

(11-08-2020 12:09 PM)thespywhozaggedme Wrote:  Here’s the latest response from him, answering my question:


boisewitha-s
Posted 1 hour ago
11 hours ago, thespywhozaggedme said:
I asked earlier, and I don’t mean to be pushy but can you expand a little bit on your insider info? Are any other teams joining us? Will it be for next season? Can you hint at how you know? Thanks


Not gonna reveal my source. It’s bsu only. Western division will be smu, Houston, cincy, Memphis, Tulsa and bsu.


gonzaga made the wcc happen for bsu olys

That proves he's full of crap. Navy absolutely wants to stay in the West. That split is what a goober would say when he doesn't know any better.

(11-08-2020 12:09 PM)thespywhozaggedme Wrote:  Here’s the latest response from him, answering my question:


boisewitha-s
Posted 1 hour ago
11 hours ago, thespywhozaggedme said:
I asked earlier, and I don’t mean to be pushy but can you expand a little bit on your insider info? Are any other teams joining us? Will it be for next season? Can you hint at how you know? Thanks


Not gonna reveal my source. It’s bsu only. Western division will be smu, Houston, cincy, Memphis, Tulsa and bsu.


gonzaga made the wcc happen for bsu olys

That proposed ^^^ Western division with out Navy in it is foolish.

IF Boise is to join the AAC however Tulane may be the more favorable candidate moving to the East division.

(11-08-2020 09:10 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 12:09 PM)thespywhozaggedme Wrote:  Here’s the latest response from him, answering my question:


boisewitha-s
Posted 1 hour ago
11 hours ago, thespywhozaggedme said:
I asked earlier, and I don’t mean to be pushy but can you expand a little bit on your insider info? Are any other teams joining us? Will it be for next season? Can you hint at how you know? Thanks


Not gonna reveal my source. It’s bsu only. Western division will be smu, Houston, cincy, Memphis, Tulsa and bsu.


gonzaga made the wcc happen for bsu olys

That proves he's full of crap. Navy absolutely wants to stay in the West. That split is what a goober would say when he doesn't know any better.

Navy would like to be in the same division with Tulane. They still would have games with SMU and Memphis. Just not as regularly. Cincinnati has a lot of history with Houston, Memphis and Tulsa. This proposal is not too preposterous.

With the Sunday night game a pathetic blowout, I decided to see if I could find a hint of this anywhere on a Boise State message board. After all, a Boise State fan who's connected would undoubtedly have dropped a hint of it on one of their boards rather than dropping such a pearl of wisdom on a general MWC board. Or, if it was "done," somebody else would have mentioned it.

Crickets. Not a single post about any of this on any of their boards.

What's more, if it was "done," that would have meant the other presidents would have voted on it, and one of those would have dropped a hint of this. Hell, the Memphis administration lives to leak insider information. Not a peep.

This isn't real.

USFFan

Did Boise ever fork over that 5 Million for breaking the last contract!

I’d tell them to pound sand. They wanted special treatment last time after signing the agreement. I’d tell them the deal they walked away from was better than they will be offered at any point going forward.

(11-08-2020 10:52 PM)usffan Wrote:  With the Sunday night game a pathetic blowout, I decided to see if I could find a hint of this anywhere on a Boise State message board. After all, a Boise State fan who's connected would undoubtedly have dropped a hint of it on one of their boards rather than dropping such a pearl of wisdom on a general MWC board. Or, if it was "done," somebody else would have mentioned it.

Crickets. Not a single post about any of this on any of their boards.

What's more, if it was "done," that would have meant the other presidents would have voted on it, and one of those would have dropped a hint of this. Hell, the Memphis administration lives to leak insider information. Not a peep.

In my opinion, This isn't real.

USFFan

Fixed it for accuracy. Because he’s on record as stating that it will be announced after the football season. So around that time we will know if he was legit, or full of crap. But until then, neither you nor I know.

(11-08-2020 08:02 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 05:51 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  I welcome our Blue Smurf field friends to the AAC

There are two people on this board that I absolutely trust, slhnavy91 and you. Please don't ruin that.

I am shocked I tell you, shocked. My honor has been soiled.