Didn't Boy-zee have a chance to join before then backed out ???

You had your chance. Go away.

Here’s the latest response from him, answering my question:


boisewitha-s
Posted 1 hour ago
11 hours ago, thespywhozaggedme said:
I asked earlier, and I don’t mean to be pushy but can you expand a little bit on your insider info? Are any other teams joining us? Will it be for next season? Can you hint at how you know? Thanks


Not gonna reveal my source. It’s bsu only. Western division will be smu, Houston, cincy, Memphis, Tulsa and bsu.


gonzaga made the wcc happen for bsu olys

(11-08-2020 12:09 PM)thespywhozaggedme Wrote:  Here’s the latest response from him, answering my question:


boisewitha-s
Posted 1 hour ago
11 hours ago, thespywhozaggedme said:
I asked earlier, and I don’t mean to be pushy but can you expand a little bit on your insider info? Are any other teams joining us? Will it be for next season? Can you hint at how you know? Thanks


Not gonna reveal my source. It’s bsu only. Western division will be smu, Houston, cincy, Memphis, Tulsa and bsu.


gonzaga made the wcc happen for bsu olys

It's not real until C Austin Coxs tweets it.

It sounds like people here do not want BYU because they are religious school. Someone needs to tell Aresco.

I don't think they are trying to join other than in some posters' minds.

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(11-08-2020 11:44 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 10:48 AM)panama Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 10:37 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 08:01 AM)panama Wrote:  

(11-07-2020 11:03 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  So it is not academics keeping Liberty from obtaining more than one or two votes. It is not because it is a private school. It is not due to lack of commitment or winning. What is it (assuming it makes sense financially)?

Cultural fit. In any group of presidents that decide their mission and how they run their university doesn't fit. They are more AIU or University of Phoenix than Iowa or Stony Brook. It's why they have not been able to get into any conference. They couldn't get into the most VA centric conference ever (CAA) while in FCS and they are IN Virginia.

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Snobbery toward an accredited school graduating contributing members of our society is an ignominious trait I hope not shared by enlightened and fair minded AAC presidents. Also, there are schools within the AAC already not fitting the traditional university model (which is increasingly melting anyway). "Cultural fit" as you describe is not a valid reason to keep Liberty from consideration.

Your want to know the reason? That's the reason.

They are going to have do a lot to overcome the perception among presidents that they are Devry.

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They also are very much a religious university, our private schools are nominally religous, Tulsa retains its religious affiliations and has religious degrees but operates as a secular school and has a mosque on campus as well as several christian denominations. SMU is similar if I am remembering correctly. Temple started with a church/school connection but has to a certain extent always been secular. I don't believe Tulane has any religious affiliation. Our privates are closer to eastern private universities or USC/Stanford than we are to the catholic or religious schools of the south.

The AAC is a big tent tolerating the beliefs of all creeds - including those held by the largest Protestant denomination. It would be a shameful and against decency to let bigotry stand in the way of an otherwise acceptable candidate.

(11-08-2020 12:14 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 12:09 PM)thespywhozaggedme Wrote:  Here’s the latest response from him, answering my question:


boisewitha-s
Posted 1 hour ago
11 hours ago, thespywhozaggedme said:
I asked earlier, and I don’t mean to be pushy but can you expand a little bit on your insider info? Are any other teams joining us? Will it be for next season? Can you hint at how you know? Thanks


Not gonna reveal my source. It’s bsu only. Western division will be smu, Houston, cincy, Memphis, Tulsa and bsu.


gonzaga made the wcc happen for bsu olys

It's not real until C Austin Coxs tweets it.

Not that I thought this was anything other than bullsh1t before, but a conference with presidents already pissed about Boise reneging on their move years ago is going to risk alienating Navy by moving them to the East (along with Tulane a Central Time Zone team), while moving Cincinnati (an Eastern Time Zone team) into the West for no obvious reason was the icing on the cake. The only thing missing is the press conference at the Four Seasons Fertilizer Plant in Meridian.

USFFan

(11-08-2020 12:23 PM)panama Wrote:  I don't think they are trying to join other than in some posters' minds.

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No but it's good to point out the hypocrisy. BYU is owned by the Church of Latter-day Saints which is very conservative. BYU has a strict code of conduct based in the Mormon religion and also has required religious courses for the students every semester. Like I said, just pointing out the hypocrisy since I'm sure most here would crawl over broken glass if that's what it took to get BYU to accept an invite.

(11-08-2020 12:27 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 11:44 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 10:48 AM)panama Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 10:37 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 08:01 AM)panama Wrote:  Cultural fit. In any group of presidents that decide their mission and how they run their university doesn't fit. They are more AIU or University of Phoenix than Iowa or Stony Brook. It's why they have not been able to get into any conference. They couldn't get into the most VA centric conference ever (CAA) while in FCS and they are IN Virginia.

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Snobbery toward an accredited school graduating contributing members of our society is an ignominious trait I hope not shared by enlightened and fair minded AAC presidents. Also, there are schools within the AAC already not fitting the traditional university model (which is increasingly melting anyway). "Cultural fit" as you describe is not a valid reason to keep Liberty from consideration.

Your want to know the reason? That's the reason.

They are going to have do a lot to overcome the perception among presidents that they are Devry.

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They also are very much a religious university, our private schools are nominally religous, Tulsa retains its religious affiliations and has religious degrees but operates as a secular school and has a mosque on campus as well as several christian denominations. SMU is similar if I am remembering correctly. Temple started with a church/school connection but has to a certain extent always been secular. I don't believe Tulane has any religious affiliation. Our privates are closer to eastern private universities or USC/Stanford than we are to the catholic or religious schools of the south.

The AAC is a big tent tolerating the beliefs of all creeds - including those held by the largest Protestant denomination. It would be a shameful and against decency to let bigotry stand in the way of an otherwise acceptable candidate.

I think most of the anti-Liberty animus is derived from the anti-intellectual rhetoric that came from their former president. I am confident that there was no chance the AAC presidents would have remotely considered them as a viable candidate with Falwell involved. Now that he's gone, I think it's much more up in the air.

USFFan

(11-08-2020 11:56 AM)panama Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 11:44 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 10:48 AM)panama Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 10:37 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 08:01 AM)panama Wrote:  Cultural fit. In any group of presidents that decide their mission and how they run their university doesn't fit. They are more AIU or University of Phoenix than Iowa or Stony Brook. It's why they have not been able to get into any conference. They couldn't get into the most VA centric conference ever (CAA) while in FCS and they are IN Virginia.

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Snobbery toward an accredited school graduating contributing members of our society is an ignominious trait I hope not shared by enlightened and fair minded AAC presidents. Also, there are schools within the AAC already not fitting the traditional university model (which is increasingly melting anyway). "Cultural fit" as you describe is not a valid reason to keep Liberty from consideration.

Your want to know the reason? That's the reason.

They are going to have do a lot to overcome the perception among presidents that they are Devry.

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They also are very much a religious university, our private schools are nominally religous, Tulsa retains its religious affiliations and has religious degrees but operates as a secular school and has a mosque on campus as well as several christian denominations. SMU is similar if I am remembering correctly. Temple started with a church/school connection but has to a certain extent always been secular. I don't believe Tulane has any religious affiliation. Our privates are closer to eastern private universities or USC/Stanford than we are to the catholic or religious schools of the south.

Like want religious schools of the South? Liberty is on a island of its own making. They aren't like any other school. Not like Emory, Davidson, Wofford or anyone else.

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Like ORU, Samford, or Lipscomb, John Brown University or all kinds of smaller private schools dotted across the south and closely associated with particular faiths. The difference is the size, which is driven by it popularity as an online christian school and it has FBS football which is a product of its christian online school. Much like BYU you can not seperate its religous roots from its educational purpose and everything else stems from that. The basis of most the schools in the AAC is their metro area (ECU is regional and Navy is military), not a faith/religous community. The schools exist to provide a higher education to the people of the city whether private or public. Liberty unlike BYU does not come with a century plus of educational history to ground its academics or its national importance/history in athletics. Liberty doesn't fit well and doesn't come with the advantages necessary to overcome athletic opposition or academic opposition, they are just kind of ok at both.

(11-08-2020 12:27 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 11:44 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 10:48 AM)panama Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 10:37 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 08:01 AM)panama Wrote:  Cultural fit. In any group of presidents that decide their mission and how they run their university doesn't fit. They are more AIU or University of Phoenix than Iowa or Stony Brook. It's why they have not been able to get into any conference. They couldn't get into the most VA centric conference ever (CAA) while in FCS and they are IN Virginia.

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Snobbery toward an accredited school graduating contributing members of our society is an ignominious trait I hope not shared by enlightened and fair minded AAC presidents. Also, there are schools within the AAC already not fitting the traditional university model (which is increasingly melting anyway). "Cultural fit" as you describe is not a valid reason to keep Liberty from consideration.

Your want to know the reason? That's the reason.

They are going to have do a lot to overcome the perception among presidents that they are Devry.

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They also are very much a religious university, our private schools are nominally religous, Tulsa retains its religious affiliations and has religious degrees but operates as a secular school and has a mosque on campus as well as several christian denominations. SMU is similar if I am remembering correctly. Temple started with a church/school connection but has to a certain extent always been secular. I don't believe Tulane has any religious affiliation. Our privates are closer to eastern private universities or USC/Stanford than we are to the catholic or religious schools of the south.

The AAC is a big tent tolerating the beliefs of all creeds - including those held by the largest Protestant denomination. It would be a shameful and against decency to let bigotry stand in the way of an otherwise acceptable candidate.

They are not an otherwise acceptable candidate. They share nothing in common with the other schools, they are religous, other schools are not. They aren't based on a metro area like almost every other school. They do not come with any of the academics almost every other school has. They do not come with any of the athletic history of a Navy or even an ECU who are the two schools who most don't fit the mold.

Liberty has basically zero success in basketball
Liberty has no history other than a very recent and to be honest not that impressive run in football.
Unlike say Houston, SMU, Tulsa, Tulane, Memphis, and Cincinatti has no past history of association or conference affiliation, or recent relationships with those schools like UCF, USF, or ECU.

Liberty doesn't fit for lots of reasons, the religion/politics is just one.

(11-08-2020 12:31 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 12:27 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 11:44 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 10:48 AM)panama Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 10:37 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Snobbery toward an accredited school graduating contributing members of our society is an ignominious trait I hope not shared by enlightened and fair minded AAC presidents. Also, there are schools within the AAC already not fitting the traditional university model (which is increasingly melting anyway). "Cultural fit" as you describe is not a valid reason to keep Liberty from consideration.

Your want to know the reason? That's the reason.

They are going to have do a lot to overcome the perception among presidents that they are Devry.

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They also are very much a religious university, our private schools are nominally religous, Tulsa retains its religious affiliations and has religious degrees but operates as a secular school and has a mosque on campus as well as several christian denominations. SMU is similar if I am remembering correctly. Temple started with a church/school connection but has to a certain extent always been secular. I don't believe Tulane has any religious affiliation. Our privates are closer to eastern private universities or USC/Stanford than we are to the catholic or religious schools of the south.

The AAC is a big tent tolerating the beliefs of all creeds - including those held by the largest Protestant denomination. It would be a shameful and against decency to let bigotry stand in the way of an otherwise acceptable candidate.

I think most of the anti-Liberty animus is derived from the anti-intellectual rhetoric that came from their former president. I am confident that there was no chance the AAC presidents would have remotely considered them as a viable candidate with Falwell involved. Now that he's gone, I think it's much more up in the air.

USFFan

I hope you are right. Bigotry has no place in the halls of higher education.

(11-08-2020 12:47 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 12:27 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 11:44 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 10:48 AM)panama Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 10:37 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Snobbery toward an accredited school graduating contributing members of our society is an ignominious trait I hope not shared by enlightened and fair minded AAC presidents. Also, there are schools within the AAC already not fitting the traditional university model (which is increasingly melting anyway). "Cultural fit" as you describe is not a valid reason to keep Liberty from consideration.

Your want to know the reason? That's the reason.

They are going to have do a lot to overcome the perception among presidents that they are Devry.

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They also are very much a religious university, our private schools are nominally religous, Tulsa retains its religious affiliations and has religious degrees but operates as a secular school and has a mosque on campus as well as several christian denominations. SMU is similar if I am remembering correctly. Temple started with a church/school connection but has to a certain extent always been secular. I don't believe Tulane has any religious affiliation. Our privates are closer to eastern private universities or USC/Stanford than we are to the catholic or religious schools of the south.

The AAC is a big tent tolerating the beliefs of all creeds - including those held by the largest Protestant denomination. It would be a shameful and against decency to let bigotry stand in the way of an otherwise acceptable candidate.

They are not an otherwise acceptable candidate. They share nothing in common with the other schools, they are religous, other schools are not. They aren't based on a metro area like almost every other school. They do not come with any of the academics almost every other school has. They do not come with any of the athletic history of a Navy or even an ECU who are the two schools who most don't fit the mold.

Liberty has basically zero success in basketball
Liberty has no history other than a very recent and to be honest not that impressive run in football.
Unlike say Houston, SMU, Tulsa, Tulane, Memphis, and Cincinatti has no past history of association or conference affiliation, or recent relationships with those schools like UCF, USF, or ECU.

Liberty doesn't fit for lots of reasons, the religion/politics is just one.

To clarify, one reason you oppose entry to Liberty is because of their religious and political beliefs despite the fact those beliefs are shared by millions and millions of your fellow Americans?

(11-08-2020 12:22 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  It sounds like people here do not want BYU because they are religious school. Someone needs to tell Aresco.

Isn’t this thread about Boise? Why do you bring in BYU and religion? Are you trolling?

(11-08-2020 07:57 AM)panama Wrote:  

(11-07-2020 10:31 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  

(11-07-2020 09:52 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(11-07-2020 09:44 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(11-07-2020 09:40 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  I don't see how it makes sense for Boise or the AAC. On the other hand, Liberty makes sense for the AAC and Liberty.

I will bet you money Liberty won’t get the votes unless they change their academics. Nothing to do with religion, they accept anyone with a bank account.


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The internet I'm looking at says Liberty's admission standards are similar to current members East Carolina and Memphis. You have a credible link showing they accept everyone based on money? I would like to see it. Thanks

You're both right. They take adult non-traditional students without any serious limitations. They are also part of the service members opportunity college network and are generous with granting credit for prior military courses, as long as they have been evaluated by ACE. Entering freshman, ie traditional students, do have freshmen admission standards, ACT or SAT, etc. I know a lot of people who have taken course work through them and finished degrees. As far as I could tell from tutoring service members Liberty is not lacking in their academics. But I understand where Pony is coming from, they are viewed as a diploma mill by traditional schools.

So...Devry...

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I'm not advocating for them to become members of the AAC, nor am I defending them, just stating facts. They are part of the Service Members Opportunity College which allows military members to pursue higher education on flexible terms. I tutored people in economics, writing, and math courses and I didn't find anything lacking in what was presented and taught. That said, Arizona State and Purdue are part of SOC as well and have a huge online presence and I don't see the PAC12 or the BIG having issues with it. Maybe its because they are old institutions and Liberty basically bank rolled their growth off of online education?

Best move is adding Boise, BYU & SDSU; makes the most sense for all parties.

(11-08-2020 01:02 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 12:47 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 12:27 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 11:44 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 10:48 AM)panama Wrote:  Your want to know the reason? That's the reason.

They are going to have do a lot to overcome the perception among presidents that they are Devry.

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They also are very much a religious university, our private schools are nominally religous, Tulsa retains its religious affiliations and has religious degrees but operates as a secular school and has a mosque on campus as well as several christian denominations. SMU is similar if I am remembering correctly. Temple started with a church/school connection but has to a certain extent always been secular. I don't believe Tulane has any religious affiliation. Our privates are closer to eastern private universities or USC/Stanford than we are to the catholic or religious schools of the south.

The AAC is a big tent tolerating the beliefs of all creeds - including those held by the largest Protestant denomination. It would be a shameful and against decency to let bigotry stand in the way of an otherwise acceptable candidate.

They are not an otherwise acceptable candidate. They share nothing in common with the other schools, they are religous, other schools are not. They aren't based on a metro area like almost every other school. They do not come with any of the academics almost every other school has. They do not come with any of the athletic history of a Navy or even an ECU who are the two schools who most don't fit the mold.

Liberty has basically zero success in basketball
Liberty has no history other than a very recent and to be honest not that impressive run in football.
Unlike say Houston, SMU, Tulsa, Tulane, Memphis, and Cincinatti has no past history of association or conference affiliation, or recent relationships with those schools like UCF, USF, or ECU.

Liberty doesn't fit for lots of reasons, the religion/politics is just one.

To clarify, one reason you oppose entry to Liberty is because of their religious and political beliefs despite the fact those beliefs are shared by millions and millions of your fellow Americans?

To clarify, you clearly share those views and want to climb up on that cross, nothing I or anyone else says will stop you from doing that.

Can you name a university that is currently in this conference who has a specifically expressed purpose of promoting a particular religous/political view point?

One of these things is not like the others, this is not a judgement call on their philosophical foundation or anyone else's American or otherwise. One of the many reasons Liberty does not fit is that their primary purpose (higher education based on faith) is not the same as the majority (10/12) of the AAC purpose (higher education for a metro area). They lack the history of having a NYD bowl, just ECU and USF don't have one and many schools have multiples, or producing viable Heisman candidates/winner. They also lack success in an area that the conference has the most recent historical success and ties men's basketball.

You want it to be about Liberty's religon, but it's about trying to slam a square into a round hole. Navy is truly unique and ECU has a more regional setting but if you look at the rest of the conference whether public or private the schools share a lot of characteristics, even in how they have had present and past success is similar (homegrown talent as a core). The not new schools to FBS (UCF/USF) have history in the same conference sometimes multiple times. Most spent time in the MVC, then one group went to the WAC and one went CUSA, then blended together, before separating and then coming back together in the AAC. TCU and Louisville, to a lesser degree Pitt also match this. Liberty doesn't.

Even looking at the consensus contenders its schools either also historically related: Army unique (also past conference school for some teams), Boise a metro (also past conference school for some), BYU unique (also former conference school for some) and with NYD game history and for BYU a strong overall athletic history including basketball. Two of those have national championships. The next most popular option is Air Force who fits with Navy and is mostly talked about as a back up selection.

Liberty doesn't fit any of those descriptions, they have none of that and no commonality with the current majority of schools.

Just to make sure that was clear this time.

(11-08-2020 12:14 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  It's not real until C Austin Coxs tweets it.

He prefers C.Cox@ Daily fyi.

also what benefit does Boise get for joining the AAC? i just dont buy it.

the path to the NY6 will be harder as they will not be eating cupcakes and they will almost be getting the same amount as navy or wsu and not the full 7+ mil.

it just doesn't add up.

(11-08-2020 12:28 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 12:23 PM)panama Wrote:  I don't think they are trying to join other than in some posters' minds.

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No but it's good to point out the hypocrisy. BYU is owned by the Church of Latter-day Saints which is very conservative. BYU has a strict code of conduct based in the Mormon religion and also has required religious courses for the students every semester. Like I said, just pointing out the hypocrisy since I'm sure most here would crawl over broken glass if that's what it took to get BYU to accept an invite.

BYU isn't Devry

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(11-08-2020 12:38 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 11:56 AM)panama Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 11:44 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 10:48 AM)panama Wrote:  

(11-08-2020 10:37 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Snobbery toward an accredited school graduating contributing members of our society is an ignominious trait I hope not shared by enlightened and fair minded AAC presidents. Also, there are schools within the AAC already not fitting the traditional university model (which is increasingly melting anyway). "Cultural fit" as you describe is not a valid reason to keep Liberty from consideration.

Your want to know the reason? That's the reason.

They are going to have do a lot to overcome the perception among presidents that they are Devry.

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They also are very much a religious university, our private schools are nominally religous, Tulsa retains its religious affiliations and has religious degrees but operates as a secular school and has a mosque on campus as well as several christian denominations. SMU is similar if I am remembering correctly. Temple started with a church/school connection but has to a certain extent always been secular. I don't believe Tulane has any religious affiliation. Our privates are closer to eastern private universities or USC/Stanford than we are to the catholic or religious schools of the south.

Like want religious schools of the South? Liberty is on a island of its own making. They aren't like any other school. Not like Emory, Davidson, Wofford or anyone else.

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Like ORU, Samford, or Lipscomb, John Brown University or all kinds of smaller private schools dotted across the south and closely associated with particular faiths. The difference is the size, which is driven by it popularity as an online christian school and it has FBS football which is a product of its christian online school. Much like BYU you can not seperate its religous roots from its educational purpose and everything else stems from that. The basis of most the schools in the AAC is their metro area (ECU is regional and Navy is military), not a faith/religous community. The schools exist to provide a higher education to the people of the city whether private or public. Liberty unlike BYU does not come with a century plus of educational history to ground its academics or its national importance/history in athletics. Liberty doesn't fit well and doesn't come with the advantages necessary to overcome athletic opposition or academic opposition, they are just kind of ok at both.

Any those have an AIU business model?

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