I was thinking about that 1992 schedule and at the time it seemed normal. Today it would seem great. I guess that is what happens when you stand pat and let others pass you by.

It really was the glory years of JMU scheduling. When they joined the yankee/A-10 in 1993 the schedule became softer.

Take a look at the these years for JMU’s schedule. The numbers represent how many opponents were FBS/1-A at the time or have become FBS since then.

1992 5
1991 5
1990 4
1989 5
1988 5
1987 4
1986 4

I still believe Yeager had the pulse of the landscape changes, without the support or energy from his member presidents to act and address the change.

I think Yeager envisioned bringing up at least the top half of the football conference to FBS en masse. Maybe the CAA would have sponsored both an FCS and an FBS level.

FBS might have been ODU, UMass, GA State, ECU, JMU, Delaware, Nova, and Towson. Maybe even W&M.

I think a coordinated move today is very unlikely, but I would selfishly like to see JMU, Delaware, and Nova move up together to Indy status as permanent scheduling partners. Each program has its own issues, but moving together could mitigate the fears that hold some to inaction.

Yeager recognizes the changes and had ideas that were best for the conference. As an individual JMU program, however, moving to Indy is even better than the “what if Yeager had been successful” scenario.

(12-31-2020 08:01 AM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  I was thinking about that 1992 schedule and at the time it seemed normal. Today it would seem great. I guess that is what happens when you stand pat and let others pass you by.

It really was the glory years of JMU scheduling. When they joined the yankee/A-10 in 1993 the schedule became softer.

Take a look at the these years for JMU’s schedule. The numbers represent how many opponents were FBS/1-A at the time or have become FBS since then.

1992 5
1991 5
1990 4
1989 5
1988 5
1987 4
1986 4

A good bit of the change in scheduling has been brought about by head coaches. Gone are the days of Bobby Bowden saying anyone, anywhere. What we have now are coaches wanting to pad their win loss record with easy out of conference games. FCS football is also in decline due to schools moving up.

(12-31-2020 10:33 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(12-31-2020 08:01 AM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  I was thinking about that 1992 schedule and at the time it seemed normal. Today it would seem great. I guess that is what happens when you stand pat and let others pass you by.

It really was the glory years of JMU scheduling. When they joined the yankee/A-10 in 1993 the schedule became softer.

Take a look at the these years for JMU’s schedule. The numbers represent how many opponents were FBS/1-A at the time or have become FBS since then.

1992 5
1991 5
1990 4
1989 5
1988 5
1987 4
1986 4

A good bit of the change in scheduling has been brought about by head coaches. Gone are the days of Bobby Bowden saying anyone, anywhere. What we have now are coaches wanting to pad their win loss record with easy out of conference games. FCS football is also in decline due to schools moving up.

There is some desire to pad schedules, but there is also an interest in our of conference regional rivalries. Rivalries greatly boost interest. I’m a UGA fan - Clemson & Tech are out of conference rivals.

Even P5s, with great rivals in conference, have room for noncon regional rivalries.

(12-30-2020 10:12 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  I’m not a fan of going FBS and that is one of the big reasons why. Our administration struggles to schedule 3 OOC games per year. Their brains may explode if they have to schedule 12 games per year. With a new aggressive and connected AD, then yes the possibilities are better for building a nice independent FBS schedule.
Take a look at JMU’s schedule from 1992 the last year they were FCS/1-AA independent.

At Va Tech
At Richmond
Hofstra
At Youngstown State
Northeastern
App State
At Georgia Southern
At Towson
William & Mary
Liberty
At Central Florida

Of course, the landscape has changed and 5 of those teams are FBS. Somehow JMU is sitting on its thumbs a decade after move ups started to proliferate.

Cool schedule - I guess it’s also how you look at things but 2 of the teams don’t sponsor football anymore. I think most would like to see us move up divisions and feel like we have maxed out in FCS/1AA yet it’s hard to deny that JMU football has flourished over the last 25-30 years.

(12-31-2020 11:51 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(12-30-2020 10:12 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  I’m not a fan of going FBS and that is one of the big reasons why. Our administration struggles to schedule 3 OOC games per year. Their brains may explode if they have to schedule 12 games per year. With a new aggressive and connected AD, then yes the possibilities are better for building a nice independent FBS schedule.
Take a look at JMU’s schedule from 1992 the last year they were FCS/1-AA independent.

At Va Tech
At Richmond
Hofstra
At Youngstown State
Northeastern
App State
At Georgia Southern
At Towson
William & Mary
Liberty
At Central Florida

Of course, the landscape has changed and 5 of those teams are FBS. Somehow JMU is sitting on its thumbs a decade after move ups started to proliferate.

Cool schedule - I guess it’s also how you look at things but 2 of the teams don’t sponsor football anymore. I think most would like to see us move up divisions and feel like we have maxed out in FCS/1AA yet it’s hard to deny that JMU football has flourished over the last 25-30 years.

To expand on this line of thinking a little- one of my beliefs in life especially in the social media/cable news/message board time that we are living in is that things are never as bad as people make them out to be nor are they ever as good as people present. There is a lot of gray and things are relative.

Hofstra and Northeastern are two relatively highly regarded schools and they elected to discontinue football. Some JMU fans who are concerned with our spending may say JMU should have done the same and spent more on basketball. While both Hofstra and Northeastern have relatively successful basketball programs they have made the NCAAs twice each over the last 20 years which is essentially the same as JMU. During this time JMU football has flourished and in particular over the last 5+ years and despite the FCS division JMU has managed to garner a lot of attention as a result of our Football team. Sometimes we lose sight of how good we’ve been and how well positioned we are.

(12-31-2020 11:51 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(12-30-2020 10:12 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  I’m not a fan of going FBS and that is one of the big reasons why. Our administration struggles to schedule 3 OOC games per year. Their brains may explode if they have to schedule 12 games per year. With a new aggressive and connected AD, then yes the possibilities are better for building a nice independent FBS schedule.
Take a look at JMU’s schedule from 1992 the last year they were FCS/1-AA independent.

At Va Tech
At Richmond
Hofstra
At Youngstown State
Northeastern
App State
At Georgia Southern
At Towson
William & Mary
Liberty
At Central Florida

Of course, the landscape has changed and 5 of those teams are FBS. Somehow JMU is sitting on its thumbs a decade after move ups started to proliferate.

Cool schedule - I guess it’s also how you look at things but 2 of the teams don’t sponsor football anymore. I think most would like to see us move up divisions and feel like we have maxed out in FCS/1AA yet it’s hard to deny that JMU football has flourished over the last 25-30 years.

I'd agree that JMU football began progressing around '04, the previous 15 years were typical fcs years, small crowds, little out of town alum engagement and the locals saying "I go for the band" and that is not flourishing.

I was a student in the mid 90's and it's not much of a stretch to say as a football fan, I did not know JMU had a football team. I attended one football game as a student, coincidently, vs now FBS App State.

For many of us, '04 was the beginning of upward football branding and hopes of playing VT and UVA at home like the peer we claim to be. That was about the time the DC claimed, "get your tickets while you can" and "read between the lines."

It was also around '04 that many of us, some on this board asked for a vision for football and 16 years later we don't know if the latest anti competitive athletics president will be renewed or not...but we still are being asked for money.

Many wise people would agree, a person // org are either getting better or getting worse. Regardless of what JMU has accomplished since 1990, are we getting better or worse today? We can't progress as fcs which means we are getting worse.

Remaining fcs is not a viable financial return option regardless of how it is spun or does the spinning.

It is time to **** or get off the pot and rename BFS to CCG (Choices Cheer Grounds).

Our horse won't or can't get it done.

I am no fan of Lenin but he once accurately said, "there are decades when nothing happens and weeks when decades happen." Covid caused decades to happen in 2020 and JMU again appears unprepared, not by Bourne or King, but by the BOV & their president.

(12-31-2020 02:05 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(12-31-2020 11:51 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(12-30-2020 10:12 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  I’m not a fan of going FBS and that is one of the big reasons why. Our administration struggles to schedule 3 OOC games per year. Their brains may explode if they have to schedule 12 games per year. With a new aggressive and connected AD, then yes the possibilities are better for building a nice independent FBS schedule.
Take a look at JMU’s schedule from 1992 the last year they were FCS/1-AA independent.

At Va Tech
At Richmond
Hofstra
At Youngstown State
Northeastern
App State
At Georgia Southern
At Towson
William & Mary
Liberty
At Central Florida

Of course, the landscape has changed and 5 of those teams are FBS. Somehow JMU is sitting on its thumbs a decade after move ups started to proliferate.

Cool schedule - I guess it’s also how you look at things but 2 of the teams don’t sponsor football anymore. I think most would like to see us move up divisions and feel like we have maxed out in FCS/1AA yet it’s hard to deny that JMU football has flourished over the last 25-30 years.

I'd agree that JMU football began progressing around '04, the previous 15 years were typical fcs years, small crowds, little out of town alum engagement and the locals saying "I go for the band" and that is not flourishing.

I was a student in the mid 90's and it's not much of a stretch to say as a football fan, I did not know JMU had a football team. I attended one football game as a student, coincidently, vs now FBS App State.

For many of us, '04 was the beginning of upward football branding and hopes of playing VT and UVA at home like the peer we claim to be. That was about the time the DC claimed, "get your tickets while you can" and "read between the lines."

It was also around '04 that many of us, some on this board asked for a vision for football and 16 years later we don't know if the latest anti competitive athletics president will be renewed or not...but we still are being asked for money.

Many wise people would agree, a person // org are either getting better or getting worse. Regardless of what JMU has accomplished since 1990, are we getting better or worse today? We can't progress as fcs which means we are getting worse.

Remaining fcs is not a viable financial return option regardless of how it is spun or does the spinning.

It is time to **** or get off the pot and rename BFS to CCG (Choices Cheer Grounds).

Our horse won't or can't get it done.

I am no fan of Lenin but he once accurately said, "there are decades when nothing happens and weeks when decades happen." Covid caused decades to happen in 2020 and JMU again appears unprepared, not by Bourne or King, but by the BOV & their president.

The truth is that despite not moving up a division we have been getting better all along- better on and off the field, better in terms of recruiting, in terms of coaching staff, in terms of facilities, in terms of support, in terms of brand, in terms of media, better across the board. We continue to get better.

(12-31-2020 02:54 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(12-31-2020 02:05 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(12-31-2020 11:51 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(12-30-2020 10:12 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  I’m not a fan of going FBS and that is one of the big reasons why. Our administration struggles to schedule 3 OOC games per year. Their brains may explode if they have to schedule 12 games per year. With a new aggressive and connected AD, then yes the possibilities are better for building a nice independent FBS schedule.
Take a look at JMU’s schedule from 1992 the last year they were FCS/1-AA independent.

At Va Tech
At Richmond
Hofstra
At Youngstown State
Northeastern
App State
At Georgia Southern
At Towson
William & Mary
Liberty
At Central Florida

Of course, the landscape has changed and 5 of those teams are FBS. Somehow JMU is sitting on its thumbs a decade after move ups started to proliferate.

Cool schedule - I guess it’s also how you look at things but 2 of the teams don’t sponsor football anymore. I think most would like to see us move up divisions and feel like we have maxed out in FCS/1AA yet it’s hard to deny that JMU football has flourished over the last 25-30 years.

I'd agree that JMU football began progressing around '04, the previous 15 years were typical fcs years, small crowds, little out of town alum engagement and the locals saying "I go for the band" and that is not flourishing.

I was a student in the mid 90's and it's not much of a stretch to say as a football fan, I did not know JMU had a football team. I attended one football game as a student, coincidently, vs now FBS App State.

For many of us, '04 was the beginning of upward football branding and hopes of playing VT and UVA at home like the peer we claim to be. That was about the time the DC claimed, "get your tickets while you can" and "read between the lines."

It was also around '04 that many of us, some on this board asked for a vision for football and 16 years later we don't know if the latest anti competitive athletics president will be renewed or not...but we still are being asked for money.

Many wise people would agree, a person // org are either getting better or getting worse. Regardless of what JMU has accomplished since 1990, are we getting better or worse today? We can't progress as fcs which means we are getting worse.

Remaining fcs is not a viable financial return option regardless of how it is spun or does the spinning.

It is time to **** or get off the pot and rename BFS to CCG (Choices Cheer Grounds).

Our horse won't or can't get it done.

I am no fan of Lenin but he once accurately said, "there are decades when nothing happens and weeks when decades happen." Covid caused decades to happen in 2020 and JMU again appears unprepared, not by Bourne or King, but by the BOV & their president.

The truth is that despite not moving up a division we have been getting better all along- better on and off the field, better in terms of recruiting, in terms of coaching staff, in terms of facilities, in terms of support, in terms of brand, in terms of media, better across the board. We continue to get better.

While this is true, we are also nearing the peak of what can be accomplished in FCS, and it is time to make a move.

Your point is valid, but what Hart and Hazed are saying has some truth also. Three of the schools we played as peers in 1992 have significantly advanced their programs to where we are losing ground in comparison : UCF, App State, and now Liberty have all shown they can build successful FBS programs. It’s time for us as well. If we don’t move, eventually we are likely to look more like Montana, Delaware or Youngstown St do today. They had FCS glory years as well.

(12-31-2020 04:16 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(12-31-2020 02:54 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(12-31-2020 02:05 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(12-31-2020 11:51 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(12-30-2020 10:12 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  I’m not a fan of going FBS and that is one of the big reasons why. Our administration struggles to schedule 3 OOC games per year. Their brains may explode if they have to schedule 12 games per year. With a new aggressive and connected AD, then yes the possibilities are better for building a nice independent FBS schedule.
Take a look at JMU’s schedule from 1992 the last year they were FCS/1-AA independent.

At Va Tech
At Richmond
Hofstra
At Youngstown State
Northeastern
App State
At Georgia Southern
At Towson
William & Mary
Liberty
At Central Florida

Of course, the landscape has changed and 5 of those teams are FBS. Somehow JMU is sitting on its thumbs a decade after move ups started to proliferate.

Cool schedule - I guess it’s also how you look at things but 2 of the teams don’t sponsor football anymore. I think most would like to see us move up divisions and feel like we have maxed out in FCS/1AA yet it’s hard to deny that JMU football has flourished over the last 25-30 years.

I'd agree that JMU football began progressing around '04, the previous 15 years were typical fcs years, small crowds, little out of town alum engagement and the locals saying "I go for the band" and that is not flourishing.

I was a student in the mid 90's and it's not much of a stretch to say as a football fan, I did not know JMU had a football team. I attended one football game as a student, coincidently, vs now FBS App State.

For many of us, '04 was the beginning of upward football branding and hopes of playing VT and UVA at home like the peer we claim to be. That was about the time the DC claimed, "get your tickets while you can" and "read between the lines."

It was also around '04 that many of us, some on this board asked for a vision for football and 16 years later we don't know if the latest anti competitive athletics president will be renewed or not...but we still are being asked for money.

Many wise people would agree, a person // org are either getting better or getting worse. Regardless of what JMU has accomplished since 1990, are we getting better or worse today? We can't progress as fcs which means we are getting worse.

Remaining fcs is not a viable financial return option regardless of how it is spun or does the spinning.

It is time to **** or get off the pot and rename BFS to CCG (Choices Cheer Grounds).

Our horse won't or can't get it done.

I am no fan of Lenin but he once accurately said, "there are decades when nothing happens and weeks when decades happen." Covid caused decades to happen in 2020 and JMU again appears unprepared, not by Bourne or King, but by the BOV & their president.

The truth is that despite not moving up a division we have been getting better all along- better on and off the field, better in terms of recruiting, in terms of coaching staff, in terms of facilities, in terms of support, in terms of brand, in terms of media, better across the board. We continue to get better.

While this is true, we are also nearing the peak of what can be accomplished in FCS, and it is time to make a move.

Your point is valid, but what Hart and Hazed are saying has some truth also. Three of the schools we played as peers in 1992 have significantly advanced their programs to where we are losing ground in comparison : UCF, App State, and now Liberty have all shown they can build successful FBS programs. It’s time for us as well. If we don’t move, eventually we are likely to look more like Montana, Delaware or Youngstown St do today. They had FCS glory years as well.

I am all for us moving up and think it’s time I’m just presenting the other side and keeping things in perspective around how much we have accomplished and continue to. We’ve proven you can continue to grow as a program in FCS. I agree the ceiling is lower and we are at it yet we do co to use to raise the ceiling as well for our program and our division even.

(12-31-2020 02:54 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(12-31-2020 02:05 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(12-31-2020 11:51 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(12-30-2020 10:12 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  I’m not a fan of going FBS and that is one of the big reasons why. Our administration struggles to schedule 3 OOC games per year. Their brains may explode if they have to schedule 12 games per year. With a new aggressive and connected AD, then yes the possibilities are better for building a nice independent FBS schedule.
Take a look at JMU’s schedule from 1992 the last year they were FCS/1-AA independent.

At Va Tech
At Richmond
Hofstra
At Youngstown State
Northeastern
App State
At Georgia Southern
At Towson
William & Mary
Liberty
At Central Florida

Of course, the landscape has changed and 5 of those teams are FBS. Somehow JMU is sitting on its thumbs a decade after move ups started to proliferate.

Cool schedule - I guess it’s also how you look at things but 2 of the teams don’t sponsor football anymore. I think most would like to see us move up divisions and feel like we have maxed out in FCS/1AA yet it’s hard to deny that JMU football has flourished over the last 25-30 years.

I'd agree that JMU football began progressing around '04, the previous 15 years were typical fcs years, small crowds, little out of town alum engagement and the locals saying "I go for the band" and that is not flourishing.

I was a student in the mid 90's and it's not much of a stretch to say as a football fan, I did not know JMU had a football team. I attended one football game as a student, coincidently, vs now FBS App State.

For many of us, '04 was the beginning of upward football branding and hopes of playing VT and UVA at home like the peer we claim to be. That was about the time the DC claimed, "get your tickets while you can" and "read between the lines."

It was also around '04 that many of us, some on this board asked for a vision for football and 16 years later we don't know if the latest anti competitive athletics president will be renewed or not...but we still are being asked for money.

Many wise people would agree, a person // org are either getting better or getting worse. Regardless of what JMU has accomplished since 1990, are we getting better or worse today? We can't progress as fcs which means we are getting worse.

Remaining fcs is not a viable financial return option regardless of how it is spun or does the spinning.

It is time to **** or get off the pot and rename BFS to CCG (Choices Cheer Grounds).

Our horse won't or can't get it done.

I am no fan of Lenin but he once accurately said, "there are decades when nothing happens and weeks when decades happen." Covid caused decades to happen in 2020 and JMU again appears unprepared, not by Bourne or King, but by the BOV & their president.

The truth is that despite not moving up a division we have been getting better all along- better on and off the field, better in terms of recruiting, in terms of coaching staff, in terms of facilities, in terms of support, in terms of brand, in terms of media, better across the board. We continue to get better.

This is true.

Sometimes I think JMU’s success in FB has unleashed an unrealistic and unreasonable tide of rising expectations among a portion of our fan base. I’m all for lofty ambitions and reaching for the stars, however, JMU is not well positioned with alums with deep pockets or with an endowment that makes aggressive initiatives possible. Especially in the aftermath of the impact COVID has wrecked upon the university budget.

May 2021 bring peace and prosperity to the nation and to JMU’s athletic programs!

(12-31-2020 09:51 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(12-31-2020 02:54 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(12-31-2020 02:05 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(12-31-2020 11:51 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(12-30-2020 10:12 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  I’m not a fan of going FBS and that is one of the big reasons why. Our administration struggles to schedule 3 OOC games per year. Their brains may explode if they have to schedule 12 games per year. With a new aggressive and connected AD, then yes the possibilities are better for building a nice independent FBS schedule.
Take a look at JMU’s schedule from 1992 the last year they were FCS/1-AA independent.

At Va Tech
At Richmond
Hofstra
At Youngstown State
Northeastern
App State
At Georgia Southern
At Towson
William & Mary
Liberty
At Central Florida

Of course, the landscape has changed and 5 of those teams are FBS. Somehow JMU is sitting on its thumbs a decade after move ups started to proliferate.

Cool schedule - I guess it’s also how you look at things but 2 of the teams don’t sponsor football anymore. I think most would like to see us move up divisions and feel like we have maxed out in FCS/1AA yet it’s hard to deny that JMU football has flourished over the last 25-30 years.

I'd agree that JMU football began progressing around '04, the previous 15 years were typical fcs years, small crowds, little out of town alum engagement and the locals saying "I go for the band" and that is not flourishing.

I was a student in the mid 90's and it's not much of a stretch to say as a football fan, I did not know JMU had a football team. I attended one football game as a student, coincidently, vs now FBS App State.

For many of us, '04 was the beginning of upward football branding and hopes of playing VT and UVA at home like the peer we claim to be. That was about the time the DC claimed, "get your tickets while you can" and "read between the lines."

It was also around '04 that many of us, some on this board asked for a vision for football and 16 years later we don't know if the latest anti competitive athletics president will be renewed or not...but we still are being asked for money.

Many wise people would agree, a person // org are either getting better or getting worse. Regardless of what JMU has accomplished since 1990, are we getting better or worse today? We can't progress as fcs which means we are getting worse.

Remaining fcs is not a viable financial return option regardless of how it is spun or does the spinning.

It is time to **** or get off the pot and rename BFS to CCG (Choices Cheer Grounds).

Our horse won't or can't get it done.

I am no fan of Lenin but he once accurately said, "there are decades when nothing happens and weeks when decades happen." Covid caused decades to happen in 2020 and JMU again appears unprepared, not by Bourne or King, but by the BOV & their president.

The truth is that despite not moving up a division we have been getting better all along- better on and off the field, better in terms of recruiting, in terms of coaching staff, in terms of facilities, in terms of support, in terms of brand, in terms of media, better across the board. We continue to get better.

This is true.

Sometimes I think JMU’s success in FB has unleashed an unrealistic and unreasonable tide of rising expectations among a portion of our fan base. I’m all for lofty ambitions and reaching for the stars, however, JMU is not well positioned with alums with deep pockets or with an endowment that makes aggressive initiatives possible. Especially in the aftermath of the impact COVID has wrecked upon the university budget.

May 2021 bring peace and prosperity to the nation and to JMU’s athletic programs!

Weak...untrue..other schools have done it..and covid is not the new crutch

JMU is about going after "lofty" and pushing for more. Let's not stop.

At least the coaching staff is all for a move up, if they get any input. CC as much as said that last year.

(01-01-2021 12:38 AM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  

(12-31-2020 09:51 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(12-31-2020 02:54 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(12-31-2020 02:05 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(12-31-2020 11:51 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  Cool schedule - I guess it’s also how you look at things but 2 of the teams don’t sponsor football anymore. I think most would like to see us move up divisions and feel like we have maxed out in FCS/1AA yet it’s hard to deny that JMU football has flourished over the last 25-30 years.

I'd agree that JMU football began progressing around '04, the previous 15 years were typical fcs years, small crowds, little out of town alum engagement and the locals saying "I go for the band" and that is not flourishing.

I was a student in the mid 90's and it's not much of a stretch to say as a football fan, I did not know JMU had a football team. I attended one football game as a student, coincidently, vs now FBS App State.

For many of us, '04 was the beginning of upward football branding and hopes of playing VT and UVA at home like the peer we claim to be. That was about the time the DC claimed, "get your tickets while you can" and "read between the lines."

It was also around '04 that many of us, some on this board asked for a vision for football and 16 years later we don't know if the latest anti competitive athletics president will be renewed or not...but we still are being asked for money.

Many wise people would agree, a person // org are either getting better or getting worse. Regardless of what JMU has accomplished since 1990, are we getting better or worse today? We can't progress as fcs which means we are getting worse.

Remaining fcs is not a viable financial return option regardless of how it is spun or does the spinning.

It is time to **** or get off the pot and rename BFS to CCG (Choices Cheer Grounds).

Our horse won't or can't get it done.

I am no fan of Lenin but he once accurately said, "there are decades when nothing happens and weeks when decades happen." Covid caused decades to happen in 2020 and JMU again appears unprepared, not by Bourne or King, but by the BOV & their president.

The truth is that despite not moving up a division we have been getting better all along- better on and off the field, better in terms of recruiting, in terms of coaching staff, in terms of facilities, in terms of support, in terms of brand, in terms of media, better across the board. We continue to get better.

This is true.

Sometimes I think JMU’s success in FB has unleashed an unrealistic and unreasonable tide of rising expectations among a portion of our fan base. I’m all for lofty ambitions and reaching for the stars, however, JMU is not well positioned with alums with deep pockets or with an endowment that makes aggressive initiatives possible. Especially in the aftermath of the impact COVID has wrecked upon the university budget.

May 2021 bring peace and prosperity to the nation and to JMU’s athletic programs!

Weak...untrue..other schools have done it..and covid is not the new crutch

JMU is about going after "lofty" and pushing for more. Let's not stop.

Open your checkbook. JMU has a $30 million dollar hole in its budget because of COVID, and a move to FBS FB isn’t going to fill that shortfall.

As I shared, there are JMU faithful whose unrealistic expectations have been unleashed with the success and growth of the FB program. Your reply to my point is a prime example.

Happy New Year! 2021 is a new beginning.

Three of JMU's top five donors have refused to support this leadership group.

Extrapolate that metric across all prior donors.

FCS football is not designed for alumni, it is for current students and funded 80% with student fees.

Status quo equals failure for a University with the size and resources of JMU

"I’m all for lofty ambitions and reaching for the stars, however, JMU is not well positioned with alums with deep pockets or with an endowment that makes aggressive initiatives possible."

This is off the mark as it doesn't recognize that FBS Indy would actually be better for the bottom line than the current FCS.


"Open your checkbook. JMU has a $30 million dollar hole in its budget because of COVID, and a move to FBS FB isn’t going to fill that shortfall."

Why open the checkbook before JMU expresses its vision for the future? Why should FBS FB be the responsibility to fix management financial shortfalls? As FBS Indy is a better bottom line than FCS it would at least be a positive financial move. If JMU can't manage this move and make the improvement, why "give" to cover for the sationary inertia?

FBS Dave, JMU's president, Alger does not fundamentally understand that sports are the bridge between alumni and their alma mater (many humans that currently identify as male at least). Alger and past decision makers (Rose) fail to see little correlation between JMU's below state average alum gifting metrics and DII football and 20 years of sub 300 RPI men's basketball.

Alger views competitive sports as an unnecessary variable in the overall cost of higher education. Alger thinks JMU is a big Swarthmore College for kids that did not gain admission into Rutgers.

The "academics" on JMU's campus (the same academics that continue to struggle using technology to online stream their own lectures) have vilified "conference realignment" and have labeled FBS football as financially reckless. Alger agrees. Even if Alger felt differently, Alger is spineless and would not risk angering tenured English & History professors by expending educational resources on silly sports.

Your attempt to clarify that JMU has for years spent G5 football money on fcs football is not going to get through to a fan base that has officially labeled spending G5 football money on fcs product as "cautious."

I like that you stir the pot while we all know that since Covid-19 budget hits, JMU's admin has gone from suspected tone deafness on conference realignment to official tone deafness on conference realignment months before key players in the athletics department retire.

Where we are; JMU would miss on an invitation from the NFL to become the Washington Dukes for the next three years....while "cautiously" spending G5 money on fcs football and watching the regional G5s reorganize to save travel expenses and build rivalries.

(01-01-2021 12:38 AM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  

(12-31-2020 09:51 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(12-31-2020 02:54 PM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(12-31-2020 02:05 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(12-31-2020 11:51 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  Cool schedule - I guess it’s also how you look at things but 2 of the teams don’t sponsor football anymore. I think most would like to see us move up divisions and feel like we have maxed out in FCS/1AA yet it’s hard to deny that JMU football has flourished over the last 25-30 years.

I'd agree that JMU football began progressing around '04, the previous 15 years were typical fcs years, small crowds, little out of town alum engagement and the locals saying "I go for the band" and that is not flourishing.

I was a student in the mid 90's and it's not much of a stretch to say as a football fan, I did not know JMU had a football team. I attended one football game as a student, coincidently, vs now FBS App State.

For many of us, '04 was the beginning of upward football branding and hopes of playing VT and UVA at home like the peer we claim to be. That was about the time the DC claimed, "get your tickets while you can" and "read between the lines."

It was also around '04 that many of us, some on this board asked for a vision for football and 16 years later we don't know if the latest anti competitive athletics president will be renewed or not...but we still are being asked for money.

Many wise people would agree, a person // org are either getting better or getting worse. Regardless of what JMU has accomplished since 1990, are we getting better or worse today? We can't progress as fcs which means we are getting worse.

Remaining fcs is not a viable financial return option regardless of how it is spun or does the spinning.

It is time to **** or get off the pot and rename BFS to CCG (Choices Cheer Grounds).

Our horse won't or can't get it done.

I am no fan of Lenin but he once accurately said, "there are decades when nothing happens and weeks when decades happen." Covid caused decades to happen in 2020 and JMU again appears unprepared, not by Bourne or King, but by the BOV & their president.

The truth is that despite not moving up a division we have been getting better all along- better on and off the field, better in terms of recruiting, in terms of coaching staff, in terms of facilities, in terms of support, in terms of brand, in terms of media, better across the board. We continue to get better.

This is true.

Sometimes I think JMU’s success in FB has unleashed an unrealistic and unreasonable tide of rising expectations among a portion of our fan base. I’m all for lofty ambitions and reaching for the stars, however, JMU is not well positioned with alums with deep pockets or with an endowment that makes aggressive initiatives possible. Especially in the aftermath of the impact COVID has wrecked upon the university budget.

May 2021 bring peace and prosperity to the nation and to JMU’s athletic programs!

Weak...untrue..other schools have done it..and covid is not the new crutch

JMU is about going after "lofty" and pushing for more. Let's not stop.

I agree. I am sick of the excuses! Coastal's endowment is $51 million. Their athletic budget is $25 million, up significantly since they moved up. And we are being told that they were so much better "positioned" than we are. Bullsh!t.

(01-01-2021 03:31 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  FBS Dave, JMU's president, Alger does not fundamentally understand that sports are the bridge between alumni and their alma mater (many humans that currently identify as male at least). Alger and past decision makers (Rose) fail to see little correlation between JMU's below state average alum gifting metrics and DII football and 20 years of sub 300 RPI men's basketball.

Alger views competitive sports as an unnecessary variable in the overall cost of higher education. Alger thinks JMU is a big Swarthmore College for kids that did not gain admission into Rutgers.

The "academics" on JMU's campus (the same academics that continue to struggle using technology to online stream their own lectures) have vilified "conference realignment" and have labeled FBS football as financially reckless. Alger agrees. Even if Alger felt differently, Alger is spineless and would not risk angering tenured English & History professors by expending educational resources on silly sports.

Your attempt to clarify that JMU has for years spent G5 football money on fcs football is not going to get through to a fan base that has officially labeled spending G5 football money on fcs product as "cautious."

I like that you stir the pot while we all know that since Covid-19 budget hits, JMU's admin has gone from suspected tone deafness on conference realignment to official tone deafness on conference realignment months before key players in the athletics department retire.

Where we are; JMU would miss on an invitation from the NFL to become the Washington Dukes for the next three years....while "cautiously" spending G5 money on fcs football and watching the regional G5s reorganize to save travel expenses and build rivalries.

It appears Alger has done some good, but unfortunately his legacy will include stalling athletics and also the corruption of creating a salary for the Lt Gov. Couple that with the the charges of dodging sunshine laws with BOV preps before board meetings, complaints of his absence in engaging state officials, and donor protests, and it seems like he is late in his term as President.

So change is coming, but will that change the view on athletics? Who are the influential BOV that will shape the next leadership?

As this change comes, at least fewer should be parroting the false myths of “JMU can’t afford FBS”, and a greater understanding that you are already invested and already spending. The current status quo is FBS spending without the return. Will the new leadership understand?

(01-01-2021 07:30 PM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  

(01-01-2021 10:32 AM)Dukeman2 Wrote:  Three of JMU's top five donors have refused to support this leadership group.

Extrapolate that metric across all prior donors.

FCS football is not designed for alumni, it is for current students and funded 80% with student fees.

Status quo equals failure for a University with the size and resources of JMU

I can not confirm Dukeman2’s “three out of five” claim. However, I know for a fact that several big donors (I won’t say how high they are) are not in favor of moving to fbs, and it has nothing to do with disagreement or displeasure with JA, JB, or CK. None of those I mention travel far to get to BFS or the new AUB. JMU games are as much about friends/fellowship/networking as anything else. They all love and support JMU, but they are not as concerned as others about conference affiliation etc. In addition, some of them also support other VA/WVA schools not to be named here. They get their fbs fix and big time college sports fix there. I love them all and are thankful they are JMU fans, but when some of your upper tier donors are ambivalent about a move up it does not help that cause. I have been a vocal move to fbs person all along, but unfortunately my donation simply doesn’t move the needle. $$$$ talks . . .

Thank you for sharing this! Many of our larger donors are in it for the social connection (and I am grateful for them), but moving up to FBS puts those folks in a more crowded room of donors and many would prefer more attention. I’ve mentioned the split allegiance thing before. Some just want to be the big fish in town for little old JMU. They can do big-time stuff at their “real” school.