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7 teams in the north and 4 in the south? That really doesn’t make any sense.
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It makes sense in that every CAAF school was happy with their result. JMU gets to play WM/UR 4 times. Nova/UD get to avoid their loss to JMU. I bet everyone told the commissioner they preferred this setup (ignoring the differing feelings about no title game - a different conversation).
10-28-2020 05:39 AM
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So who do we think is most likely to “win the north”? Is there anyone on that side that’s a favorite to run the table as well? I’d say it would have to come down to Villanova or Albany. I think if both us and a team from the north go undefeated, we are both in the playoffs.

Where it gets dicey is if we slip up somehow, most likely on the road at Elon, and end up being a one loss team. Our SOS vs a one loss team in the North I feel like would knock us out of the autobid. While on paper we “should” win all of these games, COVID has proven to be a fickle beast. It only takes one slip up to have an entire unit of the team need to quarantine and miss a game.
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(10-27-2020 10:00 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  7 teams in the north and 4 in the south? That really doesn’t make any sense.


If you insist on this north/south separation, it’s a fair way given a six game schedule. You can’t split 11 teams evenly, but doing 7 and 4 allows each team in the north to have the same SOS and each team in the south to have the same SOS (e.g. every team plays the other teams in their division the same number of times).

You could argue removing the north/south aspect and just doing the draw however they usually do it would be good enough, understanding that not every team plays each other every year. I would have been fine with this as well as outside of being able to say “we are limiting travel as a conference and thus reducing risk”, I don’t see the point in having two division and no championship game.

We ended up with a cupcake schedule. This won’t be a year we can argue with the MVFC over SOS.
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I think the home and home south is lame, but this is a lame season/year so exceptions must be made. I'm also OK with the north beating each other up. I think it's hard to predict somebody coming out of that as 8-0... or at least easier to perceive JMU coming out as CAA champs* at 8-0 (6-0) than it is for somebody in the north to come out undefeated. Even 7-1 (5-1) for the northern teams could be a stretch. And if anybody has a game cancelled or postponed at this point that hurts them. Seems like whatever CAA team plays the most games could have the best shot at winning the spring season.
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(10-27-2020 09:44 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  Really don't like how CAA approached this.

Understand why Cig upset about no Conference championship game now. Its possible to miss playoffs this year for reasons out of our control. CAA did us no favors with the weak schedule and alignment.

If JMU goes 8-0 or 7-1 (with one loss being CAA), then there's no scenario where we don't make the playoffs. You can book it.
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(10-28-2020 06:37 AM)JMU_Newbill Wrote:  So who do we think is most likely to “win the north”? Is there anyone on that side that’s a favorite to run the table as well? I’d say it would have to come down to Villanova or Albany. I think if both us and a team from the north go undefeated, we are both in the playoffs.

Where it gets dicey is if we slip up somehow, most likely on the road at Elon, and end up being a one loss team. Our SOS vs a one loss team in the North I feel like would knock us out of the autobid. While on paper we “should” win all of these games, COVID has proven to be a fickle beast. It only takes one slip up to have an entire unit of the team need to quarantine and miss a game.

Many games nationwide have been postponed in part due to teams having almost entire position units unavailable due to covid positives and quarantines. I would think if we're ravaged (or the opponent is), they'll postpone a game.
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As JMU Nation pointed out in another thread, part of the division break down is due to CoVID related travel restrictions and required quarantines when you travel out of state or out of region to more covid hot spots in the country (i.e. VA and NC more so than the Northeast). Teams cannot afford to waste time quarantining for 14 days when they have a game scheduled the next week.
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Maybe it's Covid, maybe the news, maybe elections,....etc. But just can't get excited about JMU football this spring. Maybe it's the fact of trying to play football and the height of the basketball season. With this schedule it's like we're going thru the motions. Must really suck for the athletes if they feel anything like I do about all this. Hopefully as we get closer to the start, anticipation/excitement will increase for everyone.
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(10-28-2020 09:36 AM)Potomac Wrote:  As JMU Nation pointed out in another thread, part of the division break down is due to CoVID related travel restrictions and required quarantines when you travel out of state or out of region to more covid hot spots in the country (i.e. VA and NC more so than the Northeast). Teams cannot afford to waste time quarantining for 14 days when they have a game scheduled the next week.

Don't disagree that the scheduling is Covid related, but teams have all gotten permission to travel for games this fall. For instance Rutgers travelled to Michigan which is on NJ quarantine list and the team and staff is exempt from 14 day quarantine which is legally unenforceable any way.
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(10-28-2020 09:31 AM)Potomac Wrote:  
(10-27-2020 09:44 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  Really don't like how CAA approached this.

Understand why Cig upset about no Conference championship game now. Its possible to miss playoffs this year for reasons out of our control. CAA did us no favors with the weak schedule and alignment.

If JMU goes 8-0 or 7-1 (with one loss being CAA), then there's no scenario where we don't make the playoffs. You can book it.

May be unlikely, but I don’t think impossible if we go 7-1 on a weak schedule.

JB wanted all the playoff slots to be at large. Instead there will be 11 auto bids this year and 5 at large.

Say Villanova goes 8-0 and Albany 7-1, and both have better SOS.

Will the committee give the CAA 2 at large slots when in a year where there are only 5 total (down from 14)? MVFC gets at least 1 also, so then you would only have 2 at large remaining in year where some other schools like Jacksonville State may have a strong case if they win out.
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(10-28-2020 09:31 AM)Potomac Wrote:  
(10-27-2020 09:44 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  Really don't like how CAA approached this.

Understand why Cig upset about no Conference championship game now. Its possible to miss playoffs this year for reasons out of our control. CAA did us no favors with the weak schedule and alignment.

If JMU goes 8-0 or 7-1 (with one loss being CAA), then there's no scenario where we don't make the playoffs. You can book it.

May be unlikely, but I don’t think impossible if we go 7-1 on a weak schedule.

JB wanted all the playoff slots to be at large. Instead there will be 11 auto bids this year and 5 at large.

Say Villanova goes 8-0 and Albany 7-1, and both have better SOS.

Will the committee give the CAA 2 at large slots when in a year where there are only 5 total (down from 14)? MVFC gets at least 1 also, so then you would only have 2 at large remaining in year where some other schools like Jacksonville State may have a strong case if they win out. And Big Sky is likely in this conversation too with schools like Weber, Montana, Montana St.

At large bids will be tough to come by this year, and it is likely someone gets the short end of the stick on that. Hope it isn’t us.
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(10-28-2020 09:56 AM)jmu98 Wrote:  Don't disagree that the scheduling is Covid related, but teams have all gotten permission to travel for games this fall. For instance Rutgers travelled to Michigan which is on NJ quarantine list and the team and staff is exempt from 14 day quarantine which is legally unenforceable any way.

It would be a poor look for a university to refuse to comply with applicable health guidelines that apply to their situation. I wasn't aware of an exception being granted to Rutgers. That's interesting and kind of defeats the purpose.

Granted football teams are probably testing far more frequently than the common john q public is.
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(10-28-2020 10:56 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  
(10-28-2020 09:31 AM)Potomac Wrote:  
(10-27-2020 09:44 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  Really don't like how CAA approached this.

Understand why Cig upset about no Conference championship game now. Its possible to miss playoffs this year for reasons out of our control. CAA did us no favors with the weak schedule and alignment.

If JMU goes 8-0 or 7-1 (with one loss being CAA), then there's no scenario where we don't make the playoffs. You can book it.

May be unlikely, but I don’t think impossible if we go 7-1 on a weak schedule.

JB wanted all the playoff slots to be at large. Instead there will be 11 auto bids this year and 5 at large.

Say Villanova goes 8-0 and Albany 7-1, and both have better SOS.

Will the committee give the CAA 2 at large slots when in a year where there are only 5 total (down from 14)? MVFC gets at least 1 also, so then you would only have 2 at large remaining in year where some other schools like Jacksonville State may have a strong case if they win out. And Big Sky is likely in this conversation too with schools like Weber, Montana, Montana St.

At large bids will be tough to come by this year, and it is likely someone gets the short end of the stick on that. Hope it isn’t us.

I see the committee tentatively reserving slots for both the CAA North winner and the CAA South winner. However, that would assume that the winners in both finish at 8-0 or 7-1. If Villanova and JMU both finish 8-0 and Albany goes 7-1, Albany will be out - no matter what their SOS is. However, if the South champion goes 5-3, then Albany takes that 2nd slot. (And the same works if we have two 7-1 teams in the South and a 5-3 champ in the North.)

Of course, this is all assuming that other conferences don't collapse. We know a lot can happen in 6 months and there is no guarantee that there will be 11 conferences playing in the Spring. (I'd actually be shocked if all 11 conferences do play.)
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Obvious point here but coaching will really matter this season. Different off season and in season schedule and different environment. The cream will rise to the top in terms of staffs that are organized and cohesive. Conditioning and depth will be tested. Not to mention the oddity of playing the same opponent twice and the adjustments schemes and scouting work that will be involved with beating the same opponent twice within a short period of time.

I like our chances with Coach C and staff.
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Transfers will be interesting as well. You could have an FBS player finish a season in January, and transfer and be practicing with JMU for the spring season a month later.

Would someone who plays in the fall, and transfers to play FCS in the spring:
1) Be in better shape and ready to go?
2) Worn down physically and mentally?
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(10-28-2020 12:53 PM)Potomac Wrote:  
(10-28-2020 09:56 AM)jmu98 Wrote:  Don't disagree that the scheduling is Covid related, but teams have all gotten permission to travel for games this fall. For instance Rutgers travelled to Michigan which is on NJ quarantine list and the team and staff is exempt from 14 day quarantine which is legally unenforceable any way.

It would be a poor look for a university to refuse to comply with applicable health guidelines that apply to their situation. I wasn't aware of an exception being granted to Rutgers. That's interesting and kind of defeats the purpose.

Granted football teams are probably testing far more frequently than the common john q public is.

All of these schools have been given the ability to travel. Syracuse just travelled to SC and there is no quarantine when they are back. Granted I think in both cases the football teams are not spending very much time in the general population, but there is no quarantine. You are correct that they are testing all the time.

As far as the quarantines in general as I noted they are unenforceable and no one in NJ has followed them. Yes, they generally have tried to stay away from people for some time when they get back, but they are not holed up in their house for 14 days. The other hypocrisy is that CT and NJ should be on NY's list by rule but they are exempting each other. PA should be on all three of the tri-states list and they have essentially been exempted as well. It kind of defeats the purpose if you are going to make exceptions to these rules and just gives more ammo to the people who flout them.
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(10-29-2020 07:58 AM)Dukester Wrote:  Transfers will be interesting as well. You could have an FBS player finish a season in January, and transfer and be practicing with JMU for the spring season a month later.

Would someone who plays in the fall, and transfers to play FCS in the spring:
1) Be in better shape and ready to go?
2) Worn down physically and mentally?

I agree the transfer potential could be very interesting. IMHO a transfer down is coming bc of playtime and likely not worn down physically. Conversely, they may also not be in the best shape due to the intensity difference in practice/workouts between your typical fall season and typical offseason. JMU is hitting the weights and conditioning much harder than the FBS teams playing are right now.
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(10-29-2020 08:23 AM)jmu98 Wrote:  It kind of defeats the purpose if you are going to make exceptions to these rules and just gives more ammo to the people who flout them.

I agree. Rules and laws mean nothing without enforcement. That much we've learned lately.
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(10-29-2020 08:23 AM)jmu98 Wrote:  
(10-28-2020 12:53 PM)Potomac Wrote:  
(10-28-2020 09:56 AM)jmu98 Wrote:  Don't disagree that the scheduling is Covid related, but teams have all gotten permission to travel for games this fall. For instance Rutgers travelled to Michigan which is on NJ quarantine list and the team and staff is exempt from 14 day quarantine which is legally unenforceable any way.

It would be a poor look for a university to refuse to comply with applicable health guidelines that apply to their situation. I wasn't aware of an exception being granted to Rutgers. That's interesting and kind of defeats the purpose.

Granted football teams are probably testing far more frequently than the common john q public is.

All of these schools have been given the ability to travel. Syracuse just travelled to SC and there is no quarantine when they are back. Granted I think in both cases the football teams are not spending very much time in the general population, but there is no quarantine. You are correct that they are testing all the time.

As far as the quarantines in general as I noted they are unenforceable and no one in NJ has followed them. Yes, they generally have tried to stay away from people for some time when they get back, but they are not holed up in their house for 14 days. The other hypocrisy is that CT and NJ should be on NY's list by rule but they are exempting each other. PA should be on all three of the tri-states list and they have essentially been exempted as well. It kind of defeats the purpose if you are going to make exceptions to these rules and just gives more ammo to the people who flout them.

NJ is #1 in the nation in deaths per million. And they have the gall to tell people who‘ve travelled to/from states with a FRACTION of the deaths per million to quarantine for 14 days lol. And NY is #2, and CT #4 in deaths per million. Heck, if anything, the quarantine should be the other way around..
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