or click here for image fires

Wildfires are not doing anything in Mexico, either.

Mother Nature hates the U.S. maybe?

And that is how you start conspiracy theory!

(09-12-2020 12:45 AM)BEARCATDALE Wrote:  
or click here for image fires

Wildfires are not doing anything in Mexico, either.

Mother Nature hates the U.S. maybe?

No such thing as "mother nature".

There is a God in heaven though. And he does pass judgment and His judgements are righteous and true.

I have felt for a while He has allowed the ignorance of the Godless west coast progressives to set up their own destruction by their own polices and hands. Their foolish forest polices (among other things) have made that region essentially a pile of dry timbers just waiting for a match.

At the same time he holds back the rain from those areas, as we all know they have had record droughts throughout that region the last 10+ years.

This is the most progressive region of America and look at how their polices have destroyed their environment, destroyed their ability to keep the lights on and destroyed their governments and cities, and caused a mass exodus.

And yet those lunatics look at everyone else and sky scream that its our faults. They are insane.

Or... maybe Canada doesn't have a bunch of a-holes in their country doing anything they can to reek havoc on everything so that they can get Trudeau ousted from office.

The correct answer is that what is shown is a map of United States wildfires, which naturally wouldn't have fires in Canada or Mexico listed.

Here is Canada's wildfire map:

https://cwfis.cfs.nrcan.gc.ca/interactiv...=2020#iMap


Mexico, being a failed third world state, doesn't have an active wildfire map online.

Maybe they aren’t handcuffed be the environmentalist whackos.


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1. A healthy ecosystem can not survive without wildfires. There are certain plant species which flower directly after a wildfire (when competing plants have been removed.) Also, some seeds need to be exposed to wildfire "smoke" in order to germinate. So natural wildfires, started by lightning strikes, is a common and needed occurrence. It also helps keep in check woody material which would crowd out other non-woody plant species.

2. California is an example of stupid activism controlling the environment. They file continuous lawsuits to prevent controlled burns, because of MUH TREES. They fail to rake. They grow non-native trees such as eucalyptus, which can cloud the air around them with an essential oil mist that ignites if someone farts too closely to them. This sets up a disaster when things do catch on fire. The fires in california are not WILD fires. They are man-made superheated holocausts due to the exteme build up of woody material over time. THese types of fire detroy the habitat in the short term, removes everything from the soil, and sets up for landslides when they get a heavy rain afterwards.

Because these types of fire cross state lines, I would like to see the feds step in and force california to take action to quell the conditions that allow this to happen.

(09-12-2020 03:54 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-12-2020 12:45 AM)BEARCATDALE Wrote:  
or click here for image fires

Wildfires are not doing anything in Mexico, either.

Mother Nature hates the U.S. maybe?

No such thing as "mother nature".

There is a God in heaven though. And he does pass judgment and His judgements are righteous and true.

I have felt for a while He has allowed the ignorance of the Godless west coast progressives to set up their own destruction by their own polices and hands. Their foolish forest polices (among other things) have made that region essentially a pile of dry timbers just waiting for a match.

At the same time he holds back the rain from those areas, as we all know they have had record droughts throughout that region the last 10+ years.

This is the most progressive region of America and look at how their polices have destroyed their environment, destroyed their ability to keep the lights on and destroyed their governments and cities, and caused a mass exodus.

And yet those lunatics look at everyone else and sky scream that its our faults. They are insane.

Sodom and Gomorrah.

(09-12-2020 12:11 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(09-12-2020 03:54 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-12-2020 12:45 AM)BEARCATDALE Wrote:  
or click here for image fires

Wildfires are not doing anything in Mexico, either.

Mother Nature hates the U.S. maybe?

No such thing as "mother nature".

There is a God in heaven though. And he does pass judgment and His judgements are righteous and true.

I have felt for a while He has allowed the ignorance of the Godless west coast progressives to set up their own destruction by their own polices and hands. Their foolish forest polices (among other things) have made that region essentially a pile of dry timbers just waiting for a match.

At the same time he holds back the rain from those areas, as we all know they have had record droughts throughout that region the last 10+ years.

This is the most progressive region of America and look at how their polices have destroyed their environment, destroyed their ability to keep the lights on and destroyed their governments and cities, and caused a mass exodus.

And yet those lunatics look at everyone else and sky scream that its our faults. They are insane.

Sodom and Gomorrah.

Is that what Hurricane Katrina was too?
The 2011 Tuscaloosa, Alabama tornadoes?
Hurricane Harvey in 2017?
Hurricane Michael in Florida?
The Mississippi Valley flooding last year?

Natural disasters are natural disasters.

(09-12-2020 01:03 PM)ShrackUAB Wrote:  

(09-12-2020 12:11 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(09-12-2020 03:54 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-12-2020 12:45 AM)BEARCATDALE Wrote:  
or click here for image fires

Wildfires are not doing anything in Mexico, either.

Mother Nature hates the U.S. maybe?

No such thing as "mother nature".

There is a God in heaven though. And he does pass judgment and His judgements are righteous and true.

I have felt for a while He has allowed the ignorance of the Godless west coast progressives to set up their own destruction by their own polices and hands. Their foolish forest polices (among other things) have made that region essentially a pile of dry timbers just waiting for a match.

At the same time he holds back the rain from those areas, as we all know they have had record droughts throughout that region the last 10+ years.

This is the most progressive region of America and look at how their polices have destroyed their environment, destroyed their ability to keep the lights on and destroyed their governments and cities, and caused a mass exodus.

And yet those lunatics look at everyone else and sky scream that its our faults. They are insane.

Sodom and Gomorrah.

Is that what Hurricane Katrina was too?
The 2011 Tuscaloosa, Alabama tornadoes?
Hurricane Harvey in 2017?
Hurricane Michael in Florida?
The Mississippi Valley flooding last year?

Natural disasters are natural disasters.

Nothing on this earth is by chance. YES, all natural disasters are a from of judgment. If man was not in rebellion against his Creator, we would have ZERO natural disasters.

A non believer may not like hearing that, but one day you too will know and confess HE is real. ALL will in the end.

(09-12-2020 01:10 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-12-2020 01:03 PM)ShrackUAB Wrote:  

(09-12-2020 12:11 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(09-12-2020 03:54 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-12-2020 12:45 AM)BEARCATDALE Wrote:  
or click here for image fires

Wildfires are not doing anything in Mexico, either.

Mother Nature hates the U.S. maybe?

No such thing as "mother nature".

There is a God in heaven though. And he does pass judgment and His judgements are righteous and true.

I have felt for a while He has allowed the ignorance of the Godless west coast progressives to set up their own destruction by their own polices and hands. Their foolish forest polices (among other things) have made that region essentially a pile of dry timbers just waiting for a match.

At the same time he holds back the rain from those areas, as we all know they have had record droughts throughout that region the last 10+ years.

This is the most progressive region of America and look at how their polices have destroyed their environment, destroyed their ability to keep the lights on and destroyed their governments and cities, and caused a mass exodus.

And yet those lunatics look at everyone else and sky scream that its our faults. They are insane.

Sodom and Gomorrah.

Is that what Hurricane Katrina was too?
The 2011 Tuscaloosa, Alabama tornadoes?
Hurricane Harvey in 2017?
Hurricane Michael in Florida?
The Mississippi Valley flooding last year?

Natural disasters are natural disasters.

Nothing on this earth is by chance. YES, all natural disasters are a from of judgment. If man was not in rebellion against his Creator, we would have ZERO natural disasters.

A non believer may not like hearing that, but one day you too will know and confess HE is real. ALL will in the end.

Nonsense. No where in the Bible does it say God is behind every natural disaster as a form of judgement. You're just pulling things out of your ***. Weather is weather. Things can just happen and not just because someone is being judged by a higher being.

Minnesota and Illinois are two of the least likely states to get a natural disaster in the country. Must mean they're incredibly pious.

The South is one of the hardest hit regions by natural disasters. Must mean we're all just in need of the most judgement. Totally has nothing to do with our positioning as landmasses.

(09-12-2020 06:31 PM)ShrackUAB Wrote:  Nonsense. No where in the Bible does it say God is behind every natural disaster as a form of judgement. You're just pulling things out of your ***. Weather is weather.

Talk about a facepalm post.

Maybe you somehow missed this, but there is a little story in the Bible about a man called Noah where God once flooded and destroyed the ENTIRE PLANET in judgment. And you are seriously trying to argue the Bible does not say God is in total control of the weather and uses natural disasters as judgment? Have you never heard of the plagues of Egypt, the story of Johan and the storm He sent or His judgment of Nineveh? Have you not read the COUNTLESS verses of God warning people of Him sending storms, disasters, droughts, earthquakes, and every other natural disaster in judgement? Have you not read Jesus' words about the natural disaster and weather at the end of days?

Both the OT and NT are very clear about the fact that disasters and death exists in the world for one single reason...... God's judgment due to our fall and sin. Without his judgment for our sin, there is not ONE SINGLE DEATH or disaster in the world.

You REALLY need to not talk about whats in the Bible because you clearly are out of your depth here. God openly talks about his total control over the weather from one end of the Bible to the other and all points in between. I can fill up the thread with hundreds of verses of Him warning nations and people that He is sovereign over the weather and He is the one who brings the rains and withholds the rains and brings death, disaster and judgement over the whole earth. Just at it is Him alone who brings blessings and peace. None of it is random or chance.

You don't believe in the Bible, fine. But if you are seriously going to argue the Bible does not say these things you are making a spectacular fool of yourself.

(09-13-2020 12:53 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-12-2020 06:31 PM)ShrackUAB Wrote:  Nonsense. No where in the Bible does it say God is behind every natural disaster as a form of judgement. You're just pulling things out of your ***. Weather is weather.

Talk about a facepalm post.

Maybe you somehow missed this, but there is a little story in the Bible about a man called Noah where God once flooded and destroyed the ENTIRE PLANET in judgment. And you are seriously trying to argue the Bible does not say God is in total control of the weather and uses natural disasters as judgment? Have you never heard of the plagues of Egypt, the story of Johan and the storm He sent or His judgment of Nineveh? Have you not read the COUNTLESS verses of God warning people of Him sending storms, disasters, droughts, earthquakes, and every other natural disaster in judgement? Have you not read Jesus' words about the natural disaster and weather at the end of days?

Both the OT and NT are very clear about the fact that disasters and death exists in the world for one single reason...... God's judgment due to our fall and sin. Without his judgment for our sin, there is not ONE SINGLE DEATH or disaster in the world.

You REALLY need to not talk about whats in the Bible because you clearly are out of your depth here. God openly talks about his total control over the weather from one end of the Bible to the other and all points in between. I can fill up the thread with hundreds of verses of Him warning nations and people that He is sovereign over the weather and He is the one who brings the rains and withholds the rains and brings death, disaster and judgement over the whole earth. Just at it is Him alone who brings blessings and peace. None of it is random or chance.

You don't believe in the Bible, fine. But if you are seriously going to argue the Bible does not say these things you are making a spectacular fool of yourself.

You started off by saying you believe the current wildfires were specifically because of the godless West Coast progressive. I'd love to hear your reasoning for all of the other natural disasters and why the people of their regions deserved them.

Then you said: "YES, all natural disasters are a from of judgment"

Not some, not a few, not a majority, but ALL natural disasters are because of judgement from God. The Bible does not say that all natural disasters are because of judgement from God.

Simply citing Sodom and Gomorrah and other calamity stories doesn't mean any time a disaster happens it is because God is pouring on his wrath or judgement. There are multiple famines and disasters mentioned in the Bible with God having nothing to do with any of them.

We can disagree on nearly anything pertaining to the Bible because it is heavily up for interpretation. And obviously the easy fall back is to just point to Adam and Eve and original sin as you can sort of use that as an argument for anything, but I don't think the Bible implies all disasters are out of God's judgement.

But my understanding of it is because God allows natural disaster to happen. That doesn't mean every singular specific disaster is because God is judging such and such group of people. Natural disasters just happen in an imperfect world. Jesus has implied that people who die in a disaster were often in the wrong place at the wrong time. I.e. chance

There is randomness. God gave man free will and the ability to choose. Bad things happen to good people and good things happen to bad people, at least relative to our own moral compasses. Not everything is a predetermined path and not everything has a reason behind it. Otherwise there would be no such thing as free will. I think people preach that so they can try to get through life when the truly difficult times happen psychologically, and that is okay, but it's just not reality.

Trying to pinpoint why a natural disaster happened or placing blame becomes a dangerous game. Anyone can say anything for any reason. I could just as well say, "God is punishing us with these wildfires, hurricanes, and a nationwide pandemic for electing a morally bankrupt man in Donald Trump to the Presidency " People see what they want to see. Doesn't mean it's right.

Enough ranting from me on this subject though.

(09-12-2020 01:10 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Nothing on this earth is by chance. YES, all natural disasters are a from of judgment. If man was not in rebellion against his Creator, we would have ZERO natural disasters.

A non believer may not like hearing that, but one day you too will know and confess HE is real. ALL will in the end.

Amen Brother...

(09-13-2020 06:34 AM)ShrackUAB Wrote:  You started off by saying you believe the current wildfires were specifically because of the godless West Coast progressive. I'd love to hear your reasoning for all of the other natural disasters and why the people of their regions deserved them.

Then you said: "YES, all natural disasters are a from of judgment"

Not some, not a few, not a majority, but ALL natural disasters are because of judgement from God. The Bible does not say that all natural disasters are because of judgement from God.

Simply citing Sodom and Gomorrah and other calamity stories doesn't mean any time a disaster happens it is because God is pouring on his wrath or judgement. There are multiple famines and disasters mentioned in the Bible with God having nothing to do with any of them.

We can disagree on nearly anything pertaining to the Bible because it is heavily up for interpretation. And obviously the easy fall back is to just point to Adam and Eve and original sin as you can sort of use that as an argument for anything, but I don't think the Bible implies all disasters are out of God's judgement.

But my understanding of it is because God allows natural disaster to happen. That doesn't mean every singular specific disaster is because God is judging such and such group of people. Natural disasters just happen in an imperfect world. Jesus has implied that people who die in a disaster were often in the wrong place at the wrong time. I.e. chance

There is randomness. God gave man free will and the ability to choose. Bad things happen to good people and good things happen to bad people, at least relative to our own moral compasses. Not everything is a predetermined path and not everything has a reason behind it. Otherwise there would be no such thing as free will. I think people preach that so they can try to get through life when the truly difficult times happen psychologically, and that is okay, but it's just not reality.

Trying to pinpoint why a natural disaster happened or placing blame becomes a dangerous game. Anyone can say anything for any reason. I could just as well say, "God is punishing us with these wildfires, hurricanes, and a nationwide pandemic for electing a morally bankrupt man in Donald Trump to the Presidency " People see what they want to see. Doesn't mean it's right.

Enough ranting from me on this subject though.

YES, the Bibles does say every single death and natural disasters are due to judgment from God over mans sin and fall. That is EXACTLY what the Bible says. Death and destruction entered the world through mans fall, That is precisely what the Bible teaches on this from Genesis through Revelation. You might as well argue you read Moby Dick and there is no boat and no whale. Its best just to not argue about books you haven't even read and don't even know what they say on the topic.

I did NOT say every single one was due to a recent event, that is you twisting my words for obvious reasons. I said ALL death and natural disasters are a result of God's judgment on man after the fall, just as the Bible says. ALL terrible things that happen are a result of Gods judgment on us...death, disease, earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, etc. Some are due to modern sins and actions, others are more general parts of his judgment on all man. But every one of then are a DIRECT result of God's judgments and are not events that would have randomly happen on their own. He knows every single hair of your head, He knew everything about you and everything you would do before you were born, BEFORE THE WORLD WAS EVEN MADE. There is not one single event that happened in this world that HE did not know would happen before the world was made and that He did not willfully set in motion. That is not an "interpretation"what the Bible teaches word for word.

As scripture says, its rains on the just and unjust. Even the just fall under his judgment in this life, even the just are judged to die and face trials and tribulations. You don't have to be evil to have bad things happen, you are already under his judgment. But as the Bible shows us from Genesis through Revelation, He also sends specific judgements on the wicked as He sees fit.

If you had actually read the Bible you would have known nearly every prophet, King, Man of God, Apostle, even the smallest person in the Bible looked at bad things that happened in the world and identified them with judgment from God for peoples sin. That is literally written in nearly every book of the Bible. The idea that we are not supposed to acknowledged and discern sin and Gods judgments against it in today's world is the complete opposite of what the Bible teaches. You can't preach the gospel without discern and warning people of their sin and Judgment from God both in this life and eternity.

Its best you just not argue these things, you are clearly out of your depth here on what the Bible says.

(09-12-2020 06:31 PM)ShrackUAB Wrote:  

(09-12-2020 01:10 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-12-2020 01:03 PM)ShrackUAB Wrote:  

(09-12-2020 12:11 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(09-12-2020 03:54 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  No such thing as "mother nature".

There is a God in heaven though. And he does pass judgment and His judgements are righteous and true.

I have felt for a while He has allowed the ignorance of the Godless west coast progressives to set up their own destruction by their own polices and hands. Their foolish forest polices (among other things) have made that region essentially a pile of dry timbers just waiting for a match.

At the same time he holds back the rain from those areas, as we all know they have had record droughts throughout that region the last 10+ years.

This is the most progressive region of America and look at how their polices have destroyed their environment, destroyed their ability to keep the lights on and destroyed their governments and cities, and caused a mass exodus.

And yet those lunatics look at everyone else and sky scream that its our faults. They are insane.

Sodom and Gomorrah.

Is that what Hurricane Katrina was too?
The 2011 Tuscaloosa, Alabama tornadoes?
Hurricane Harvey in 2017?
Hurricane Michael in Florida?
The Mississippi Valley flooding last year?

Natural disasters are natural disasters.

Nothing on this earth is by chance. YES, all natural disasters are a from of judgment. If man was not in rebellion against his Creator, we would have ZERO natural disasters.

A non believer may not like hearing that, but one day you too will know and confess HE is real. ALL will in the end.

Nonsense. No where in the Bible does it say God is behind every natural disaster as a form of judgement. You're just pulling things out of your ***. Weather is weather. Things can just happen and not just because someone is being judged by a higher being.

Minnesota and Illinois are two of the least likely states to get a natural disaster in the country. Must mean they're incredibly pious.

The South is one of the hardest hit regions by natural disasters. Must mean we're all just in need of the most judgement. Totally has nothing to do with our positioning as landmasses.

You are to be commended for your logic and reasoning ability. (UAB) The true God does not try humans with evil things such as fire, hurricanes, floods, and the like. To do so would make the True God evil. Some Preachers teach such things because their hearts are full of Worldly Reasonings and therfore they say things that match up with Worldly thinking. An ancient example of this type reasoning can be found in the Book of Job in the Bible . His so called friends used this same reasoning against Job after Job lost all he had due to natural disaster. They told Job he must have done something to cause his suffering. Please note that in that case it was not the true God who was bringing harm to humans (Job). It was Satan who harms humans. No human is free from the unfavorable circumstances that can befall any human at any time. This happens worldwide to the Rightous as well as the unrightous. Those who teach that the True God is doing these things have not come to know the True God. Jesus commented on an accident that befell men in his day. Someone who teaches that a Loving God does these horrible things to humans needs emidiate help . The Bible teaches exactly opposite of this.
How hopeless is it to believe the whole state of Oregan and California do not posses some followers of the True God ?
This is the reasoning that happens when Evil men mix limited Bible Understanding with Politics of the day.

(09-13-2020 06:56 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-13-2020 06:34 AM)ShrackUAB Wrote:  You started off by saying you believe the current wildfires were specifically because of the godless West Coast progressive. I'd love to hear your reasoning for all of the other natural disasters and why the people of their regions deserved them.

Then you said: "YES, all natural disasters are a from of judgment"

Not some, not a few, not a majority, but ALL natural disasters are because of judgement from God. The Bible does not say that all natural disasters are because of judgement from God.

Simply citing Sodom and Gomorrah and other calamity stories doesn't mean any time a disaster happens it is because God is pouring on his wrath or judgement. There are multiple famines and disasters mentioned in the Bible with God having nothing to do with any of them.

We can disagree on nearly anything pertaining to the Bible because it is heavily up for interpretation. And obviously the easy fall back is to just point to Adam and Eve and original sin as you can sort of use that as an argument for anything, but I don't think the Bible implies all disasters are out of God's judgement.

But my understanding of it is because God allows natural disaster to happen. That doesn't mean every singular specific disaster is because God is judging such and such group of people. Natural disasters just happen in an imperfect world. Jesus has implied that people who die in a disaster were often in the wrong place at the wrong time. I.e. chance

There is randomness. God gave man free will and the ability to choose. Bad things happen to good people and good things happen to bad people, at least relative to our own moral compasses. Not everything is a predetermined path and not everything has a reason behind it. Otherwise there would be no such thing as free will. I think people preach that so they can try to get through life when the truly difficult times happen psychologically, and that is okay, but it's just not reality.

Trying to pinpoint why a natural disaster happened or placing blame becomes a dangerous game. Anyone can say anything for any reason. I could just as well say, "God is punishing us with these wildfires, hurricanes, and a nationwide pandemic for electing a morally bankrupt man in Donald Trump to the Presidency " People see what they want to see. Doesn't mean it's right.

Enough ranting from me on this subject though.

YES, the Bibles does say every single death and natural disasters are due to judgment from God over mans sin and fall. That is EXACTLY what the Bible says. Death and destruction entered the world through mans fall, That is precisely what the Bible teaches on this from Genesis through Revelation. You might as well argue you read Moby Dick and there is no boat and no whale. Its best just to not argue about books you haven't even read and don't even know what they say on the topic.

I did NOT say every single one was due to a recent event, that is you twisting my words for obvious reasons. I said ALL death and natural disasters are a result of God's judgment on man after the fall, just as the Bible says. ALL terrible things that happen are a result of Gods judgment on us...death, disease, earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, etc. Some are due to modern sins and actions, others are more general parts of his judgment on all man. But every one of then are a DIRECT result of God's judgments and are not events that would have randomly happen on their own. He knows every single hair of your head, He knew everything about you and everything you would do before you were born, BEFORE THE WORLD WAS EVEN MADE. There is not one single event that happened in this world that HE did not know would happen before the world was made and that He did not willfully set in motion. That is not an "interpretation"what the Bible teaches word for word.

As scripture says, its rains on the just and unjust. Even the just fall under his judgment in this life, even the just are judged to die and face trials and tribulations. You don't have to be evil to have bad things happen, you are already under his judgment. But as the Bible shows us from Genesis through Revelation, He also sends specific judgements on the wicked as He sees fit.

If you had actually read the Bible you would have known nearly every prophet, King, Man of God, Apostle, even the smallest person in the Bible looked at bad things that happened in the world and identified them with judgment from God for peoples sin. That is literally written in nearly every book of the Bible. The idea that we are not supposed to acknowledged and discern sin and Gods judgments against it in today's world is the complete opposite of what the Bible teaches. You can't preach the gospel without discern and warning people of their sin and Judgment from God both in this life and eternity.

You keeping falling back to original sin, but this is not what your original post implied. Sure, you can literally say anything that ever happens or will happen is simply because of Adam and Eve being cast out of the Garden of Eden because of their original sin. I can see that as an argument (though kind of a weak one in my view), but you made a point to speak of these fires happening specifically because of the "godless west coast progressive".

That's not just you speaking back to original sin. That's you seeing what you want to see in a natural disaster. Blaming who you want to blame. You're saying this is God judging the "godless west coast progressive", not just a result of God's general judgement on man. You're telling me you believe it is likely due to specific sinners.

Quote:Its best you just not argue these things, you are clearly out of your depth here on what the Bible says.

Thou doth protest too much. The Bible can be interpreted in a variety of ways. A thousand pastors might preach it a thousand different ways. There are thousands of translations. You're just a human on a message board. You do not know for certain all the intentions behind the text and neither do I, just like we don't know the intentions behind a natural disaster or if there even are any.

"Then a great and powerful wind tore the mountains apart and shattered the rocks before the Lord, but the Lord was not in the wind. After the wind there was an earthquake, but the Lord was not in the earthquake. 12 After the earthquake came a fire, but the Lord was not in the fire. And after the fire came a gentle whisper. 13 When Elijah heard it, he pulled his cloak over his face and went out and stood at the mouth of the cave."

You are welcome to your opinion and I should not have responded by calling your post nonsense, but I do not agree with your interpretation. Have a good day.

Talltrain is a Jehovahs Witness, thus his backwards and strange views on the text of the Bible.

Despise his oddball claims, the text of the Bible tells us word for word that God absolutely judges cities and people with natural disasters. It was God who destroyed the entire earth with a global flood, its was God who destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for their sin and several other cities in that area. It was God who brought the plagues and death to Egypt, it was God who judged man for his sin with death, disaster and famine. It was God who sent famine, death and destruction to Israel for their sins, and blessed them when they followed His laws.

Man is responsible for his actions and sin, but God is the judge and brings judgement for sin. But His judgement is always righteous. A loving father corrects and disciplines the son he loves. Its not a difficult or foreign concept to understand.



"For the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and chastises every son whom he receives.” Hebrews 12:6

"Blessed is the man You discipline, O LORD, and teach from Your law" Psalm 94:12

"My son, do not reject the discipline of the LORD, and do not loathe His rebuke" Proverbs 3:11

"Thou shalt also consider in thine heart, that, as a man chasteneth his son, so the LORD thy God chasteneth thee." Duet 8:5

"for the LORD disciplines the one He loves, as a father the son in whom he delights." Proverbs 3:12

"If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? Hebrews 12:7

"Those I love, I rebuke and discipline. Therefore be earnest and repent." Revelation 3:19

"He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him disciplines him diligently." Proverbs 13:4

People wonder why there is so little respect for the Bible and it's Godly principles that all men should live by. Look no further than so called religious leaders teachers teaching thoughts that originate from Demons. The True God set a time for Judgement of a World alienated from him. This includes those that clearly contradict what the Bible Teaches about disaster which includes fires as seen on the West coast. Simple reasoning will show that the fires do not discriminate among people. Black, white, rich, poor those that know God and those that don't ,are all affected if they find themselves in the path of these catastrophes. This is much like the many churchs destroyed in other regions by unforeseen events. All a person has to do is read the many other faulty reasonings provide by these Preachers on this site to see a basic lack of Bible understanding. They even tie in there Politcal leanings to many of their misunderstandings of Scripture. Their first claim when confronted with their lack of understanding is to claim that other Posters have not Read the Bible, when it is they that show by their words and actions that they lack understanding. According to their reasoning, any man, such as Job, is under the judgement of God because of suffering. The Bible says something different. Placing the blame for ills that people suffer upon the True and Loving God is Evil. People who study the Bible in a serious way, know this type of reasoning is in error. Turn away from such reasoning and come to know the True God. Knowing God sets one free of such stupidity as the Scripture declares .