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RE: Is Dixie St destined for the Big Sky?
I believe I remember one of Tarletons last years in the NAIA hosting nationals for track and field. Around 1990 or 1991. Guys my age, help me out. Yeah, the trajectory there is certainly different than many other schools.
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RE: Is Dixie St destined for the Big Sky?
(08-27-2020 08:19 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(08-27-2020 08:50 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(08-26-2020 11:36 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  Unless NMSU is talking with FCS schools ready to move up to the FBS, I have to believe there are some grumblings in the western CUSA and SBC; to possibly make a more regional (Texas centric) football conference under the WAC banner. Will it come to pass, I don't know?

Well as a western SBC member we'd love to be with the Texas CUSA schools but we really like the SBC for the most part. Frankly the WAC would be a huge downgrade in all sports and no offense to the Tarleton peeps but we wouldnt want to give up being conferencemates with Louisiana, Arkansas St, GSU, APP, GS, Troy, USA, and Coastal for Tarleton.

Lol...I see no difference between Tarleton (as-is) and half the teams in the Sun Belt. You will have a very hard time convincing me Louisiana-Monroe, Arkansas State and South Alabama are head and shoulders above the 2nd largest institution in the Texas A&M System. And let us not forget it wasn't that long ago we had Southwest Texas State getting kicked around in the Southland Conference, after spending 50 years in D2 with the Lone Star Conference. And ask yourself, who is the real geographical outlier in the Sun Belt? Yes, you bobbie cats just might be in for a "huge downgrade" with Tarleton in the WAC before you know it. I really hope Texas State and Tarleton find a way to play each other soon. Just might be an eye opener for ya.

Look I'm sorry I hurt your feelings but the fact that it would be a downgrade is a fact.

Now you think we're going to rejoin the WAC? wow....
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RE: Is Dixie St destined for the Big Sky?
(08-28-2020 10:50 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(08-27-2020 08:19 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(08-27-2020 08:50 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(08-26-2020 11:36 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  Unless NMSU is talking with FCS schools ready to move up to the FBS, I have to believe there are some grumblings in the western CUSA and SBC; to possibly make a more regional (Texas centric) football conference under the WAC banner. Will it come to pass, I don't know?

Well as a western SBC member we'd love to be with the Texas CUSA schools but we really like the SBC for the most part. Frankly the WAC would be a huge downgrade in all sports and no offense to the Tarleton peeps but we wouldnt want to give up being conferencemates with Louisiana, Arkansas St, GSU, APP, GS, Troy, USA, and Coastal for Tarleton.

Lol...I see no difference between Tarleton (as-is) and half the teams in the Sun Belt. You will have a very hard time convincing me Louisiana-Monroe, Arkansas State and South Alabama are head and shoulders above the 2nd largest institution in the Texas A&M System. And let us not forget it wasn't that long ago we had Southwest Texas State getting kicked around in the Southland Conference, after spending 50 years in D2 with the Lone Star Conference. And ask yourself, who is the real geographical outlier in the Sun Belt? Yes, you bobbie cats just might be in for a "huge downgrade" with Tarleton in the WAC before you know it. I really hope Texas State and Tarleton find a way to play each other soon. Just might be an eye opener for ya.

Look I'm sorry I hurt your feelings but the fact that it would be a downgrade is a fact.

Now you think we're going to rejoin the WAC? wow....

Opinion. Not fact.

You didn't make it about the conference, you specifically said playing in a league with Tarleton would be a "huge downgrade". I disagree, and there are facts to support it. Never forget where you came from, bobbie cat.
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RE: Is Dixie St destined for the Big Sky?
(08-28-2020 11:09 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(08-28-2020 10:50 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(08-27-2020 08:19 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(08-27-2020 08:50 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(08-26-2020 11:36 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  Unless NMSU is talking with FCS schools ready to move up to the FBS, I have to believe there are some grumblings in the western CUSA and SBC; to possibly make a more regional (Texas centric) football conference under the WAC banner. Will it come to pass, I don't know?

Well as a western SBC member we'd love to be with the Texas CUSA schools but we really like the SBC for the most part. Frankly the WAC would be a huge downgrade in all sports and no offense to the Tarleton peeps but we wouldnt want to give up being conferencemates with Louisiana, Arkansas St, GSU, APP, GS, Troy, USA, and Coastal for Tarleton.

Lol...I see no difference between Tarleton (as-is) and half the teams in the Sun Belt. You will have a very hard time convincing me Louisiana-Monroe, Arkansas State and South Alabama are head and shoulders above the 2nd largest institution in the Texas A&M System. And let us not forget it wasn't that long ago we had Southwest Texas State getting kicked around in the Southland Conference, after spending 50 years in D2 with the Lone Star Conference. And ask yourself, who is the real geographical outlier in the Sun Belt? Yes, you bobbie cats just might be in for a "huge downgrade" with Tarleton in the WAC before you know it. I really hope Texas State and Tarleton find a way to play each other soon. Just might be an eye opener for ya.

Look I'm sorry I hurt your feelings but the fact that it would be a downgrade is a fact.

Now you think we're going to rejoin the WAC? wow....

Opinion. Not fact.

You didn't make it about the conference, you specifically said playing in a league with Tarleton would be a "huge downgrade". I disagree, and there are facts to support it. Never forget where you came from, bobbie cat.

I literally said "the WAC would be" a downgrade. You even bolded it. It just so happens yall are now in that league, but my bad for singling yall out. I do want yall to do good, yall are practically my family school.

What facts do you have? Conference RPIs?
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The WAC would be a downgrade for any team in a current FBS conference for the simple reason that the WAC isn't a signatory to the CFP agreement and there's no guaranty that it would be invited to join the party even if it succeeded in restoring its sponsorship of what the NCAA would consider FBS football.
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RE: Is Dixie St destined for the Big Sky?
(08-28-2020 12:55 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  The WAC would be a downgrade for any team in a current FBS conference for the simple reason that the WAC isn't a signatory to the CFP agreement and there's no guaranty that it would be invited to join the party even if it succeeded in restoring its sponsorship of what the NCAA would consider FBS football.
Yup. That FBS payout is worth something. Also being G5 is still better than some FCS affiliations.


2013---
My question to you is this. A lot changes in 10 years, would a Tarleton with FBS football be a better SBC conference mate than UTArlington (without football)?


Look where TXST was 10 years ago and where they are now
Middle of the Drive (pre stadium expansion ), before Emerging Research status.
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RE: Is Dixie St destined for the Big Sky?
(08-28-2020 12:55 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  The WAC would be a downgrade for any team in a current FBS conference for the simple reason that the WAC isn't a signatory to the CFP agreement and there's no guaranty that it would be invited to join the party even if it succeeded in restoring its sponsorship of what the NCAA would consider FBS football.

If they're secure long term certainly not. Wouldn't take too many schools to feel they're about to be pushed out plus a couple FCS programs.
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RE: Is Dixie St destined for the Big Sky?
(08-28-2020 11:59 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(08-28-2020 11:09 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(08-28-2020 10:50 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(08-27-2020 08:19 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(08-27-2020 08:50 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  Well as a western SBC member we'd love to be with the Texas CUSA schools but we really like the SBC for the most part. Frankly the WAC would be a huge downgrade in all sports and no offense to the Tarleton peeps but we wouldnt want to give up being conferencemates with Louisiana, Arkansas St, GSU, APP, GS, Troy, USA, and Coastal for Tarleton.

Lol...I see no difference between Tarleton (as-is) and half the teams in the Sun Belt. You will have a very hard time convincing me Louisiana-Monroe, Arkansas State and South Alabama are head and shoulders above the 2nd largest institution in the Texas A&M System. And let us not forget it wasn't that long ago we had Southwest Texas State getting kicked around in the Southland Conference, after spending 50 years in D2 with the Lone Star Conference. And ask yourself, who is the real geographical outlier in the Sun Belt? Yes, you bobbie cats just might be in for a "huge downgrade" with Tarleton in the WAC before you know it. I really hope Texas State and Tarleton find a way to play each other soon. Just might be an eye opener for ya.

Look I'm sorry I hurt your feelings but the fact that it would be a downgrade is a fact.

Now you think we're going to rejoin the WAC? wow....

Opinion. Not fact.

You didn't make it about the conference, you specifically said playing in a league with Tarleton would be a "huge downgrade". I disagree, and there are facts to support it. Never forget where you came from, bobbie cat.

I literally said "the WAC would be" a downgrade. You even bolded it. It just so happens yall are now in that league, but my bad for singling yall out. I do want yall to do good, yall are practically my family school.

What facts do you have? Conference RPIs?

we wouldnt want to give up being conferencemates with Louisiana, Arkansas St, GSU, APP, GS, Troy, USA, and Coastal for Tarleton.

Yes, you are correct, I bolded the wrong offensive remark. None of those schools, outside of App State, Troy and maybe Ark St, really offer anything worth travelling halfway across the country for. Tarleton is right in TXST's backyard, and would put butts in seats.
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RE: Is Dixie St destined for the Big Sky?
(08-28-2020 01:28 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  
(08-28-2020 12:55 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  The WAC would be a downgrade for any team in a current FBS conference for the simple reason that the WAC isn't a signatory to the CFP agreement and there's no guaranty that it would be invited to join the party even if it succeeded in restoring its sponsorship of what the NCAA would consider FBS football.
Yup. That FBS payout is worth something. Also being G5 is still better than some FCS affiliations.


2013---
My question to you is this. A lot changes in 10 years, would a Tarleton with FBS football be a better SBC conference mate than UTArlington (without football)?


Look where TXST was 10 years ago and where they are now
Middle of the Drive (pre stadium expansion ), before Emerging Research status.

On a quick glance I would have to say that an FBS Tarleton might be a better SBC member than UTA, but thats assuming the SBC needs another FB school and Tarleton knocked their transition out of the park. Looking at other sports though you know how solid UTA is at basketball and baseball. Can Tarleton be an improvement over them in those sports in 10 years? It's definitely possible but there's a lot of work to be done. Are y'all gonna expand your football stadium again, get a new arena, and new baseball stadium in the next 10 years?
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(08-28-2020 03:47 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(08-28-2020 11:59 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(08-28-2020 11:09 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(08-28-2020 10:50 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(08-27-2020 08:19 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  Lol...I see no difference between Tarleton (as-is) and half the teams in the Sun Belt. You will have a very hard time convincing me Louisiana-Monroe, Arkansas State and South Alabama are head and shoulders above the 2nd largest institution in the Texas A&M System. And let us not forget it wasn't that long ago we had Southwest Texas State getting kicked around in the Southland Conference, after spending 50 years in D2 with the Lone Star Conference. And ask yourself, who is the real geographical outlier in the Sun Belt? Yes, you bobbie cats just might be in for a "huge downgrade" with Tarleton in the WAC before you know it. I really hope Texas State and Tarleton find a way to play each other soon. Just might be an eye opener for ya.

Look I'm sorry I hurt your feelings but the fact that it would be a downgrade is a fact.

Now you think we're going to rejoin the WAC? wow....

Opinion. Not fact.

You didn't make it about the conference, you specifically said playing in a league with Tarleton would be a "huge downgrade". I disagree, and there are facts to support it. Never forget where you came from, bobbie cat.

I literally said "the WAC would be" a downgrade. You even bolded it. It just so happens yall are now in that league, but my bad for singling yall out. I do want yall to do good, yall are practically my family school.

What facts do you have? Conference RPIs?

we wouldnt want to give up being conferencemates with Louisiana, Arkansas St, GSU, APP, GS, Troy, USA, and Coastal for Tarleton.

Yes, you are correct, I bolded the wrong offensive remark. None of those schools, outside of App State, Troy and maybe Ark St, really offer anything worth travelling halfway across the country for. Tarleton is right in TXST's backyard, and would put butts in seats.

Again apologies for the remark. I should've just said WAC instead of singling y'all out. But yeah, looking at the attendance from our 2011 season we had 15k for our game against y'all which was good, but we also averaged about 15k that whole season.

What do you mean that those schools don't have anything worth travelling halfway across the country for?
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RE: Is Dixie St destined for the Big Sky?
(08-29-2020 12:25 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(08-28-2020 01:28 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  
(08-28-2020 12:55 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  The WAC would be a downgrade for any team in a current FBS conference for the simple reason that the WAC isn't a signatory to the CFP agreement and there's no guaranty that it would be invited to join the party even if it succeeded in restoring its sponsorship of what the NCAA would consider FBS football.
Yup. That FBS payout is worth something. Also being G5 is still better than some FCS affiliations.


2013---
My question to you is this. A lot changes in 10 years, would a Tarleton with FBS football be a better SBC conference mate than UTArlington (without football)?


Look where TXST was 10 years ago and where they are now
Middle of the Drive (pre stadium expansion ), before Emerging Research status.

On a quick glance I would have to say that an FBS Tarleton might be a better SBC member than UTA, but thats assuming the SBC needs another FB school and Tarleton knocked their transition out of the park. Looking at other sports though you know how solid UTA is at basketball and baseball. Can Tarleton be an improvement over them in those sports in 10 years? It's definitely possible but there's a lot of work to be done. Are y'all gonna expand your football stadium again, get a new arena, and new baseball stadium in the next 10 years?

Football, probably add more seating or minor upgrades.
Basketball, Wisdom Gymnasium is due up next to be renovated.
Baseball, I don't see why we wouldn't get a new stadium.
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(08-29-2020 07:28 PM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  
(08-29-2020 12:25 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(08-28-2020 01:28 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  
(08-28-2020 12:55 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  The WAC would be a downgrade for any team in a current FBS conference for the simple reason that the WAC isn't a signatory to the CFP agreement and there's no guaranty that it would be invited to join the party even if it succeeded in restoring its sponsorship of what the NCAA would consider FBS football.
Yup. That FBS payout is worth something. Also being G5 is still better than some FCS affiliations.


2013---
My question to you is this. A lot changes in 10 years, would a Tarleton with FBS football be a better SBC conference mate than UTArlington (without football)?


Look where TXST was 10 years ago and where they are now
Middle of the Drive (pre stadium expansion ), before Emerging Research status.

On a quick glance I would have to say that an FBS Tarleton might be a better SBC member than UTA, but thats assuming the SBC needs another FB school and Tarleton knocked their transition out of the park. Looking at other sports though you know how solid UTA is at basketball and baseball. Can Tarleton be an improvement over them in those sports in 10 years? It's definitely possible but there's a lot of work to be done. Are y'all gonna expand your football stadium again, get a new arena, and new baseball stadium in the next 10 years?

Football, probably add more seating or minor upgrades.
Basketball, Wisdom Gymnasium is due up next to be renovated.
Baseball, I don't see why we wouldn't get a new stadium.

I get that those will all happen at some point, but in 10 years? Thats a lot.
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(08-30-2020 12:02 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(08-29-2020 07:28 PM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  
(08-29-2020 12:25 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(08-28-2020 01:28 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  
(08-28-2020 12:55 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  The WAC would be a downgrade for any team in a current FBS conference for the simple reason that the WAC isn't a signatory to the CFP agreement and there's no guaranty that it would be invited to join the party even if it succeeded in restoring its sponsorship of what the NCAA would consider FBS football.
Yup. That FBS payout is worth something. Also being G5 is still better than some FCS affiliations.


2013---
My question to you is this. A lot changes in 10 years, would a Tarleton with FBS football be a better SBC conference mate than UTArlington (without football)?


Look where TXST was 10 years ago and where they are now
Middle of the Drive (pre stadium expansion ), before Emerging Research status.

On a quick glance I would have to say that an FBS Tarleton might be a better SBC member than UTA, but thats assuming the SBC needs another FB school and Tarleton knocked their transition out of the park. Looking at other sports though you know how solid UTA is at basketball and baseball. Can Tarleton be an improvement over them in those sports in 10 years? It's definitely possible but there's a lot of work to be done. Are y'all gonna expand your football stadium again, get a new arena, and new baseball stadium in the next 10 years?

Football, probably add more seating or minor upgrades.
Basketball, Wisdom Gymnasium is due up next to be renovated.
Baseball, I don't see why we wouldn't get a new stadium.

I get that those will all happen at some point, but in 10 years? Thats a lot.

Really just the two but it is a lot for the 10 year time frame.
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(08-29-2020 12:46 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(08-28-2020 03:47 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(08-28-2020 11:59 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(08-28-2020 11:09 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(08-28-2020 10:50 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  Look I'm sorry I hurt your feelings but the fact that it would be a downgrade is a fact.

Now you think we're going to rejoin the WAC? wow....

Opinion. Not fact.

You didn't make it about the conference, you specifically said playing in a league with Tarleton would be a "huge downgrade". I disagree, and there are facts to support it. Never forget where you came from, bobbie cat.

I literally said "the WAC would be" a downgrade. You even bolded it. It just so happens yall are now in that league, but my bad for singling yall out. I do want yall to do good, yall are practically my family school.

What facts do you have? Conference RPIs?

we wouldnt want to give up being conferencemates with Louisiana, Arkansas St, GSU, APP, GS, Troy, USA, and Coastal for Tarleton.

Yes, you are correct, I bolded the wrong offensive remark. None of those schools, outside of App State, Troy and maybe Ark St, really offer anything worth travelling halfway across the country for. Tarleton is right in TXST's backyard, and would put butts in seats.

Again apologies for the remark. I should've just said WAC instead of singling y'all out. But yeah, looking at the attendance from our 2011 season we had 15k for our game against y'all which was good, but we also averaged about 15k that whole season.

What do you mean that those schools don't have anything worth travelling halfway across the country for?

Fair enough, apology accepted.

My point is having a regional opponent, or possibly even a conference mate, like Tarleton to schedule games with ain't such a bad thing. Head to head, I'd take Tarleton over half the teams in the SBC today, as-is.

And it wasn't that long ago TXST/SWTXST stood at the same crossroad that Tarleton is at today, with the exception that Tarleton is basically trying to leapfrog a miserable FCS conference marriage.

https://txstatebobcats.com/sports/2011/1...0105111351

I think TXST absolutely has to consider a WAC reunion if the WAC can build a Texas vs. the Western U.S. conference, which it almost certainly has to do to get get where it wants to go.
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(08-30-2020 07:19 PM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  
(08-30-2020 12:02 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(08-29-2020 07:28 PM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  
(08-29-2020 12:25 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(08-28-2020 01:28 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  Yup. That FBS payout is worth something. Also being G5 is still better than some FCS affiliations.


2013---
My question to you is this. A lot changes in 10 years, would a Tarleton with FBS football be a better SBC conference mate than UTArlington (without football)?


Look where TXST was 10 years ago and where they are now
Middle of the Drive (pre stadium expansion ), before Emerging Research status.

On a quick glance I would have to say that an FBS Tarleton might be a better SBC member than UTA, but thats assuming the SBC needs another FB school and Tarleton knocked their transition out of the park. Looking at other sports though you know how solid UTA is at basketball and baseball. Can Tarleton be an improvement over them in those sports in 10 years? It's definitely possible but there's a lot of work to be done. Are y'all gonna expand your football stadium again, get a new arena, and new baseball stadium in the next 10 years?

Football, probably add more seating or minor upgrades.
Basketball, Wisdom Gymnasium is due up next to be renovated.
Baseball, I don't see why we wouldn't get a new stadium.

I get that those will all happen at some point, but in 10 years? Thats a lot.

Really just the two but it is a lot for the 10 year time frame.

Memorial Stadium "new visitors" (East Stands) expansion is already planned and funded. As is a light Wisdom upgrade. Those will happen within 5 years, not 10. The baseball/softball complex, however, is anybody's guess. Needs a total overhaul..
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(08-31-2020 08:58 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(08-29-2020 12:46 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(08-28-2020 03:47 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(08-28-2020 11:59 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(08-28-2020 11:09 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  Opinion. Not fact.

You didn't make it about the conference, you specifically said playing in a league with Tarleton would be a "huge downgrade". I disagree, and there are facts to support it. Never forget where you came from, bobbie cat.

I literally said "the WAC would be" a downgrade. You even bolded it. It just so happens yall are now in that league, but my bad for singling yall out. I do want yall to do good, yall are practically my family school.

What facts do you have? Conference RPIs?

we wouldnt want to give up being conferencemates with Louisiana, Arkansas St, GSU, APP, GS, Troy, USA, and Coastal for Tarleton.

Yes, you are correct, I bolded the wrong offensive remark. None of those schools, outside of App State, Troy and maybe Ark St, really offer anything worth travelling halfway across the country for. Tarleton is right in TXST's backyard, and would put butts in seats.

Again apologies for the remark. I should've just said WAC instead of singling y'all out. But yeah, looking at the attendance from our 2011 season we had 15k for our game against y'all which was good, but we also averaged about 15k that whole season.

What do you mean that those schools don't have anything worth travelling halfway across the country for?

Fair enough, apology accepted.

My point is having a regional opponent, or possibly even a conference mate, like Tarleton to schedule games with ain't such a bad thing. Head to head, I'd take Tarleton over half the teams in the SBC today, as-is.

And it wasn't that long ago TXST/SWTXST stood at the same crossroad that Tarleton is at today, with the exception that Tarleton is basically trying to leapfrog a miserable FCS conference marriage.

https://txstatebobcats.com/sports/2011/1...0105111351

I think TXST absolutely has to consider a WAC reunion if the WAC can build a Texas vs. the Western U.S. conference, which it almost certainly has to do to get get where it wants to go.

Sure another regional opponent would be nice but we have plenty already. I'm sure we will schedule y'all in something soon, assuming sports get played.

We're fine on our "island" in the Sun Belt. I used to want to be in CUSA to be with their 4 Texas teams but now with our almost annual series vs UTSA, the Sun Belt becoming a better football conference, pretty even in basketball with us being one spot higher in conference NET ranking, and our superior TV deal I'm good with being in the Sun Belt. It would be nice to get a series with UNT or UTEP though. I get the impression from our board that a lot of TXST fans feel similarly.

WAC makes no sense for us. If half the conference is in TX and the rest is spread out over the western half of the country that sounds like a pretty raw deal for those western schools. Why would they be okay with that? Why would those Texas schools want that?
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RE: Is Dixie St destined for the Big Sky?
(09-01-2020 09:28 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(08-31-2020 08:58 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(08-29-2020 12:46 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(08-28-2020 03:47 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(08-28-2020 11:59 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  I literally said "the WAC would be" a downgrade. You even bolded it. It just so happens yall are now in that league, but my bad for singling yall out. I do want yall to do good, yall are practically my family school.

What facts do you have? Conference RPIs?

we wouldnt want to give up being conferencemates with Louisiana, Arkansas St, GSU, APP, GS, Troy, USA, and Coastal for Tarleton.

Yes, you are correct, I bolded the wrong offensive remark. None of those schools, outside of App State, Troy and maybe Ark St, really offer anything worth travelling halfway across the country for. Tarleton is right in TXST's backyard, and would put butts in seats.

Again apologies for the remark. I should've just said WAC instead of singling y'all out. But yeah, looking at the attendance from our 2011 season we had 15k for our game against y'all which was good, but we also averaged about 15k that whole season.

What do you mean that those schools don't have anything worth travelling halfway across the country for?

Fair enough, apology accepted.

My point is having a regional opponent, or possibly even a conference mate, like Tarleton to schedule games with ain't such a bad thing. Head to head, I'd take Tarleton over half the teams in the SBC today, as-is.

And it wasn't that long ago TXST/SWTXST stood at the same crossroad that Tarleton is at today, with the exception that Tarleton is basically trying to leapfrog a miserable FCS conference marriage.

https://txstatebobcats.com/sports/2011/1...0105111351

I think TXST absolutely has to consider a WAC reunion if the WAC can build a Texas vs. the Western U.S. conference, which it almost certainly has to do to get get where it wants to go.

Sure another regional opponent would be nice but we have plenty already. I'm sure we will schedule y'all in something soon, assuming sports get played.

We're fine on our "island" in the Sun Belt. I used to want to be in CUSA to be with their 4 Texas teams but now with our almost annual series vs UTSA, the Sun Belt becoming a better football conference, pretty even in basketball with us being one spot higher in conference NET ranking, and our superior TV deal I'm good with being in the Sun Belt. It would be nice to get a series with UNT or UTEP though. I get the impression from our board that a lot of TXST fans feel similarly.

WAC makes no sense for us. If half the conference is in TX and the rest is spread out over the western half of the country that sounds like a pretty raw deal for those western schools. Why would they be okay with that? Why would those Texas schools want that?
Like you, I originally wanted the Bobcats in CUSA with UNT, Rice, and UTSA. Playing Texas teams puts butts in the seats, easy roadtrips, and bragging rights because i work with alumni from these schools.

UTSA should be on the schedule every year regardless if conferences. However annual games in DFW and Houston would be nice. I don't care if it is Rice or the Coogs.

The Sun Belt TV contract and use of ESPN+ is way better than trying to find cusa on 3 different network and the Facebook app.

I like that the league is on an upward trend and I've grown comfortable with the league and like the games against the Cajuns and South.

UTEP has always been and will continue to be a non-starter. Given the choice I would rather see the Cats play New Mexico State if traveling that far.

If Tarleton played Texas State in Stephenville, its a quick trip up 281 for Hill Country alumni and out 377/I-20 for the DFW folks. Its Way easier than driving to Lafayette or Monroe but it's not exactly a destination roadtrip like proper metroplex games in SMU or TCU.
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RE: Is Dixie St destined for the Big Sky?
“ Given the choice I would rather see the Cats play New Mexico State if traveling that far.”

That far??? Lol. Wow, y’all really are eastern. Makes me wonder you handle the travel the Sunbelt gives you.
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RE: Is Dixie St destined for the Big Sky?
(09-01-2020 12:44 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  
(09-01-2020 09:28 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(08-31-2020 08:58 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(08-29-2020 12:46 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(08-28-2020 03:47 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  we wouldnt want to give up being conferencemates with Louisiana, Arkansas St, GSU, APP, GS, Troy, USA, and Coastal for Tarleton.

Yes, you are correct, I bolded the wrong offensive remark. None of those schools, outside of App State, Troy and maybe Ark St, really offer anything worth travelling halfway across the country for. Tarleton is right in TXST's backyard, and would put butts in seats.

Again apologies for the remark. I should've just said WAC instead of singling y'all out. But yeah, looking at the attendance from our 2011 season we had 15k for our game against y'all which was good, but we also averaged about 15k that whole season.

What do you mean that those schools don't have anything worth travelling halfway across the country for?

Fair enough, apology accepted.

My point is having a regional opponent, or possibly even a conference mate, like Tarleton to schedule games with ain't such a bad thing. Head to head, I'd take Tarleton over half the teams in the SBC today, as-is.

And it wasn't that long ago TXST/SWTXST stood at the same crossroad that Tarleton is at today, with the exception that Tarleton is basically trying to leapfrog a miserable FCS conference marriage.

https://txstatebobcats.com/sports/2011/1...0105111351

I think TXST absolutely has to consider a WAC reunion if the WAC can build a Texas vs. the Western U.S. conference, which it almost certainly has to do to get get where it wants to go.

Sure another regional opponent would be nice but we have plenty already. I'm sure we will schedule y'all in something soon, assuming sports get played.

We're fine on our "island" in the Sun Belt. I used to want to be in CUSA to be with their 4 Texas teams but now with our almost annual series vs UTSA, the Sun Belt becoming a better football conference, pretty even in basketball with us being one spot higher in conference NET ranking, and our superior TV deal I'm good with being in the Sun Belt. It would be nice to get a series with UNT or UTEP though. I get the impression from our board that a lot of TXST fans feel similarly.

WAC makes no sense for us. If half the conference is in TX and the rest is spread out over the western half of the country that sounds like a pretty raw deal for those western schools. Why would they be okay with that? Why would those Texas schools want that?
Like you, I originally wanted the Bobcats in CUSA with UNT, Rice, and UTSA. Playing Texas teams puts butts in the seats, easy roadtrips, and bragging rights because i work with alumni from these schools.

UTSA should be on the schedule every year regardless if conferences. However annual games in DFW and Houston would be nice. I don't care if it is Rice or the Coogs.

The Sun Belt TV contract and use of ESPN+ is way better than trying to find cusa on 3 different network and the Facebook app.

I like that the league is on an upward trend and I've grown comfortable with the league and like the games against the Cajuns and South.

UTEP has always been and will continue to be a non-starter. Given the choice I would rather see the Cats play New Mexico State if traveling that far.

If Tarleton played Texas State in Stephenville, its a quick trip up 281 for Hill Country alumni and out 377/I-20 for the DFW folks. Its Way easier than driving to Lafayette or Monroe but it's not exactly a destination roadtrip like proper metroplex games in SMU or TCU.

The only thing I really like about playing UTEP is that they would bring fans to Bobcat Stadium and I would love to go see a game at the Sun Bowl and work in a Big Bend trip. Just a two game series would be enough.

I guess it's just hard for me to envision us playing in Stephenville. I know everyone's mantra on here is "what about in 10 years?" but for now Tarleton is FCS, and thats obviously a no go. Maybe Tarleton is FBS in 10 years. That would be impressive as hell and in that case yea let's play, but frankly, this FBS WAC needs so many dominoes to fall right that I don't think it's very likely to happen. If that ever actually changes then I wouldn't mind us going up there.
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