(05-15-2020 06:13 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 06:04 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt would trade appy for uab. Academics need to be considered here.

Sorry but clt must accept regionalization like the rest of us, painful as it may be.

Regionalization is the factor USM wants at this time and our best arrangement would be with ULL, South Alabama, Troy, UAB, ULM, La Tech, McNeese, and Lamar. That is a 9 school lineup, bus trips to all, and leaves us FOUR non conference football games that can be scheduled to help pay the bills. Don't be shocked at the inclusion of Lamar and McNeese, their potential is equal to or superior to most. All the other schools can form leagues on either side of this mid south group.

(05-15-2020 07:54 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 07:36 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 07:21 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 07:08 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 06:23 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  I'd like to add Patrick is one of the best people covering C-USA. He regularly puts out material on Southern Miss and C-USA when far too many in other C- USA markets don't care enough to write about us. Another flaw in the "add big markets idea". I think some of the smallest markets in the league care the most.

That guy is a hack. His article is an op-ed, not a work of actual journalism. And, I'd love to see your evidence for "the small markets caring more". That's just your opinion.

Do you not understand the difference in an Opinion piece and a news article? Newspapers have both.

My evidence would be attendance and the amount of articles like this churned out from local papers.

And him being a hack is also just your opinion.

* I absolutely understand the difference, and he did not present this as an op-ed. That's why it is fake-click-bait-news, and he is an agenda promoting hack.



* When it comes to attendance, I see a bigger difference based on divisions more than market size....

2019 C-USA Attendance Averages (Major Markets in Bold)

WEST
Southern Miss- 24,765
UAB- 24,726
Rice- 22,212
North Texas- 21,358
LA Tech- 20,439
UTSA- 19904
UTEP- 17,093

EAST
Marshall- 23,190
ODU- 18,234
FAU- 17,607
WKU- 15,191
MTSU- 14,253
FIU- 13,874
Charlotte- 12,319



* I don't follow the beat writers from around C-USA, but I know our guy in Denton puts out North Texas/C-USA articles almost daily. I don't know if he writes the most, but he certainly writes as many as any other in this conference, even those from the smaller markets.

You include El Paso as a major market but it's market size is 93rd vs. Charleston-Huntington market size that's 70th. So that makes no sense. Also Murfreesboro falls into the Nashville market. So they would fall info a major market. Again, wrong.
Also Birmingham is 45th. You consider that major? I mean, it's not tiny but it's not Houston.

And anyone who's turned on the TV knows there's nowhere close to that many fans in the stands for some of those schools. Those are reported tickets sold.

Also men's basketball attendance should be in the argument as well. Not just football.

Lol. Do you really want to continue this with me?

Excellent Retort. And, if I may add to your market corrections. Not only is the Boro only about 32 miles outside the city limits of Music City: let us take note that Nashville is a TOP 30 Market. And (wait for it) there are more MTSU alums living in Nashville than UT or any other college or university's actual alums. Most are too lazy too go to a game but we all watch TV.

(05-15-2020 08:09 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 06:13 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 06:04 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt would trade appy for uab. Academics need to be considered here.

Sorry but clt must accept regionalization like the rest of us, painful as it may be.

Regionalization is the factor USM wants at this time and our best arrangement would be with ULL, South Alabama, Troy, UAB, ULM, La Tech, McNeese, and Lamar. That is a 9 school lineup, bus trips to all, and leaves us FOUR non conference football games that can be scheduled to help pay the bills. Don't be shocked at the inclusion of Lamar and McNeese, their potential is equal to or superior to most. All the other schools can form leagues on either side of this mid south group.

UL will never be in the same conference as Lamar and McNeese again sorry main, both are our formal rivals and we have left them in the past sub out Rice and someone else and that a maybe

(05-15-2020 08:09 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 06:13 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 06:04 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt would trade appy for uab. Academics need to be considered here.

Sorry but clt must accept regionalization like the rest of us, painful as it may be.

Regionalization is the factor USM wants at this time and our best arrangement would be with ULL, South Alabama, Troy, UAB, ULM, La Tech, McNeese, and Lamar. That is a 9 school lineup, bus trips to all, and leaves us FOUR non conference football games that can be scheduled to help pay the bills. Don't be shocked at the inclusion of Lamar and McNeese, their potential is equal to or superior to most. All the other schools can form leagues on either side of this mid south group.

That is a brutal baseball league


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(05-15-2020 07:54 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 07:36 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 07:21 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 07:08 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 06:23 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  I'd like to add Patrick is one of the best people covering C-USA. He regularly puts out material on Southern Miss and C-USA when far too many in other C- USA markets don't care enough to write about us. Another flaw in the "add big markets idea". I think some of the smallest markets in the league care the most.

That guy is a hack. His article is an op-ed, not a work of actual journalism. And, I'd love to see your evidence for "the small markets caring more". That's just your opinion.

Do you not understand the difference in an Opinion piece and a news article? Newspapers have both.

My evidence would be attendance and the amount of articles like this churned out from local papers.

And him being a hack is also just your opinion.

* I absolutely understand the difference, and he did not present this as an op-ed. That's why it is fake-click-bait-news, and he is an agenda promoting hack.



* When it comes to attendance, I see a bigger difference based on divisions more than market size....

2019 C-USA Attendance Averages (Major Markets in Bold)

WEST
Southern Miss- 24,765
UAB- 24,726
Rice- 22,212
North Texas- 21,358
LA Tech- 20,439
UTSA- 19904
UTEP- 17,093

EAST
Marshall- 23,190
ODU- 18,234
FAU- 17,607
WKU- 15,191
MTSU- 14,253
FIU- 13,874
Charlotte- 12,319



* I don't follow the beat writers from around C-USA, but I know our guy in Denton puts out North Texas/C-USA articles almost daily. I don't know if he writes the most, but he certainly writes as many as any other in this conference, even those from the smaller markets.

You include El Paso as a major market but it's market size is 93rd vs. Charleston-Huntington market size that's 70th. So that makes no sense. Also Murfreesboro falls into the Nashville market. So they would fall info a major market. Again, wrong.
Also Birmingham is 45th. You consider that major? I mean, it's not tiny but it's not Houston.

And anyone who's turned on the TV knows there's nowhere close to that many fans in the stands for some of those schools. Those are reported tickets sold.

Also men's basketball attendance should be in the argument as well. Not just football.

Lol. Do you really want to continue this with me?

Until we define what constitutes a major market, it is a useless topic to debate. Personally, I think the bigger issue is the disproportionate number of programs in the east that can't average 20k, and that has nothing to do with market size.


2019 C-USA Attendance Averages (Below 20k in bold)

WEST
Southern Miss- 24,765
UAB- 24,726
Rice- 22,212
North Texas- 21,358
LA Tech- 20,439
UTSA- 19904
UTEP- 17,093

EAST
Marshall- 23,190
ODU- 18,234
FAU- 17,607
WKU- 15,191
MTSU- 14,253
FIU- 13,874
Charlotte- 12,319

(05-15-2020 09:01 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 07:54 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 07:36 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 07:21 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 07:08 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  That guy is a hack. His article is an op-ed, not a work of actual journalism. And, I'd love to see your evidence for "the small markets caring more". That's just your opinion.

Do you not understand the difference in an Opinion piece and a news article? Newspapers have both.

My evidence would be attendance and the amount of articles like this churned out from local papers.

And him being a hack is also just your opinion.

* I absolutely understand the difference, and he did not present this as an op-ed. That's why it is fake-click-bait-news, and he is an agenda promoting hack.



* When it comes to attendance, I see a bigger difference based on divisions more than market size....

2019 C-USA Attendance Averages (Major Markets in Bold)

WEST
Southern Miss- 24,765
UAB- 24,726
Rice- 22,212
North Texas- 21,358
LA Tech- 20,439
UTSA- 19904
UTEP- 17,093

EAST
Marshall- 23,190
ODU- 18,234
FAU- 17,607
WKU- 15,191
MTSU- 14,253
FIU- 13,874
Charlotte- 12,319



* I don't follow the beat writers from around C-USA, but I know our guy in Denton puts out North Texas/C-USA articles almost daily. I don't know if he writes the most, but he certainly writes as many as any other in this conference, even those from the smaller markets.

You include El Paso as a major market but it's market size is 93rd vs. Charleston-Huntington market size that's 70th. So that makes no sense. Also Murfreesboro falls into the Nashville market. So they would fall info a major market. Again, wrong.
Also Birmingham is 45th. You consider that major? I mean, it's not tiny but it's not Houston.

And anyone who's turned on the TV knows there's nowhere close to that many fans in the stands for some of those schools. Those are reported tickets sold.

Also men's basketball attendance should be in the argument as well. Not just football.

Lol. Do you really want to continue this with me?

Until we define what constitutes a major market, it is a useless topic to debate. Personally, I think the bigger issue is the disproportionate number of programs in the east that can't average 20k, and that has nothing to do with market size.


2019 C-USA Attendance Averages (Below 20k in bold)

WEST
Southern Miss- 24,765
UAB- 24,726
Rice- 22,212
North Texas- 21,358
LA Tech- 20,439
UTSA- 19904
UTEP- 17,093

EAST
Marshall- 23,190
ODU- 18,234
FAU- 17,607
WKU- 15,191
MTSU- 14,253
FIU- 13,874
Charlotte- 12,319

So you twist my major markets plan didn't work argument into an East vs West argument all while confusing the size of the markets you're trying to argue. And continuing to argue obviously inaccurate average football attendance. (Watch a Rice game, 22k fans aren't there)

This is you in a nutshell, Joe. Every time. Nonsensical spin mixed with inaccuracies.

(05-15-2020 06:56 PM)Dowless Wrote:  I would love to see more regional conferences. If we are honest with ourselves no one watches games on ESPN+ except the fans we have. Many of us at Charlotte would travel to App St, Coastal, etc.. I think it would bring more butts in the seats, which brings more excitement and local exposure. I would go to more games because if I can watch them on TV for less money why drive 3 hours to a game, fight traffic, and weather. TV didn't bring the fans to the game it brought the game to the fans. You don't grow your base by showing a game on a box with 200 other options. You grow it by putting students and kids in the stands.

At Rice, back in the SWC days, we would play all of our September and early October football games at night. The fans loved it. Typically, we weren't an attractive TV game, so we could start our games at ideal times for attendance.
All of our opponents were familiar and regional. The fact that we moved away from that has hurt a lot.

(05-15-2020 09:32 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 09:01 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 07:54 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 07:36 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 07:21 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  Do you not understand the difference in an Opinion piece and a news article? Newspapers have both.

My evidence would be attendance and the amount of articles like this churned out from local papers.

And him being a hack is also just your opinion.

* I absolutely understand the difference, and he did not present this as an op-ed. That's why it is fake-click-bait-news, and he is an agenda promoting hack.



* When it comes to attendance, I see a bigger difference based on divisions more than market size....

2019 C-USA Attendance Averages (Major Markets in Bold)

WEST
Southern Miss- 24,765
UAB- 24,726
Rice- 22,212
North Texas- 21,358
LA Tech- 20,439
UTSA- 19904
UTEP- 17,093

EAST
Marshall- 23,190
ODU- 18,234
FAU- 17,607
WKU- 15,191
MTSU- 14,253
FIU- 13,874
Charlotte- 12,319



* I don't follow the beat writers from around C-USA, but I know our guy in Denton puts out North Texas/C-USA articles almost daily. I don't know if he writes the most, but he certainly writes as many as any other in this conference, even those from the smaller markets.

You include El Paso as a major market but it's market size is 93rd vs. Charleston-Huntington market size that's 70th. So that makes no sense. Also Murfreesboro falls into the Nashville market. So they would fall info a major market. Again, wrong.
Also Birmingham is 45th. You consider that major? I mean, it's not tiny but it's not Houston.

And anyone who's turned on the TV knows there's nowhere close to that many fans in the stands for some of those schools. Those are reported tickets sold.

Also men's basketball attendance should be in the argument as well. Not just football.

Lol. Do you really want to continue this with me?

Until we define what constitutes a major market, it is a useless topic to debate. Personally, I think the bigger issue is the disproportionate number of programs in the east that can't average 20k, and that has nothing to do with market size.


2019 C-USA Attendance Averages (Below 20k in bold)

WEST
Southern Miss- 24,765
UAB- 24,726
Rice- 22,212
North Texas- 21,358
LA Tech- 20,439
UTSA- 19904
UTEP- 17,093

EAST
Marshall- 23,190
ODU- 18,234
FAU- 17,607
WKU- 15,191
MTSU- 14,253
FIU- 13,874
Charlotte- 12,319

So you twist my major markets plan didn't work argument into an East vs West argument all while confusing the size of the markets you're trying to argue. And continuing to argue obviously inaccurate average football attendance. (Watch a Rice game, 22k fans aren't there)

This is you in a nutshell, Joe. Every time. Nonsensical spin mixed with inaccuracies.

If you define the metrics for a major market we can have that discussion. As for the attendance issues in the east, I don't know what to tell you. These are the numbers from the NCAA. But whatever.

(05-15-2020 04:39 PM)Eagleyed Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 01:14 PM)TTT Wrote:  

Quote:For the Group of 5 conferences that don’t bring in millions of dollars in TV money, life may return to simpler times when cable networks didn’t call the shots for conference expansion and realignment. Revenue from TV contracts has dried up in recent years, leaving less of a hurdle if conference officials sit down to iron out a realignment plan.

The Sun Belt and Conference USA both draw about $500,000 per school from their multimedia deals and the two leagues seem a good fit for realignment.

What’s the value in playing Florida International or UTEP when there are multiple programs in the Sun Belt that would be much better regional rivals for a program like Southern Miss?

Full article
https://www.sunherald.com/sports/college...fDuERX8ns0

Revenue from TV contracts hasn't dried up. Its gone up for every conference but cusa. Judy just sucks at any kind of negotiation and tried to convince everyone that tv money had dried up. Then other conferences have negotiated after us and gotten more.

Sports are one of the last thing people watch live TV for. Which means its one of the only things people still watch commercials for. All the money is in live sports right. Judy just took the TV execs at their word when they spouted that nonsense to get a cheaper deal.

Or a league that lost its most attractive teams to the wreckage of the Big East and replaced them with a collection of FCS, Sun Belt (and not the teams doing best in football) and from WAC got priced like Sun Belt for a reason.

Refusing Tuesday and Wednesday didn’t help the price either. Splitting content up didn’t help because ESPN adds a premium to have the ability to select games on 12 day notice. I believe they ended up taking 8 Sun Belt Saturday games that way last year most on ESPNU. CUSA leaders wanted to keep the CBSSN slots and that’s understandable because CBSSN treats its schools right and doesn’t drone on pimping P5 games during the broadcast. Can’t speak to the NFLN broadcasts


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(05-15-2020 09:48 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 09:32 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 09:01 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 07:54 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 07:36 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  * I absolutely understand the difference, and he did not present this as an op-ed. That's why it is fake-click-bait-news, and he is an agenda promoting hack.



* When it comes to attendance, I see a bigger difference based on divisions more than market size....

2019 C-USA Attendance Averages (Major Markets in Bold)

WEST
Southern Miss- 24,765
UAB- 24,726
Rice- 22,212
North Texas- 21,358
LA Tech- 20,439
UTSA- 19904
UTEP- 17,093

EAST
Marshall- 23,190
ODU- 18,234
FAU- 17,607
WKU- 15,191
MTSU- 14,253
FIU- 13,874
Charlotte- 12,319



* I don't follow the beat writers from around C-USA, but I know our guy in Denton puts out North Texas/C-USA articles almost daily. I don't know if he writes the most, but he certainly writes as many as any other in this conference, even those from the smaller markets.

You include El Paso as a major market but it's market size is 93rd vs. Charleston-Huntington market size that's 70th. So that makes no sense. Also Murfreesboro falls into the Nashville market. So they would fall info a major market. Again, wrong.
Also Birmingham is 45th. You consider that major? I mean, it's not tiny but it's not Houston.

And anyone who's turned on the TV knows there's nowhere close to that many fans in the stands for some of those schools. Those are reported tickets sold.

Also men's basketball attendance should be in the argument as well. Not just football.

Lol. Do you really want to continue this with me?

Until we define what constitutes a major market, it is a useless topic to debate. Personally, I think the bigger issue is the disproportionate number of programs in the east that can't average 20k, and that has nothing to do with market size.


2019 C-USA Attendance Averages (Below 20k in bold)

WEST
Southern Miss- 24,765
UAB- 24,726
Rice- 22,212
North Texas- 21,358
LA Tech- 20,439
UTSA- 19904
UTEP- 17,093

EAST
Marshall- 23,190
ODU- 18,234
FAU- 17,607
WKU- 15,191
MTSU- 14,253
FIU- 13,874
Charlotte- 12,319

So you twist my major markets plan didn't work argument into an East vs West argument all while confusing the size of the markets you're trying to argue. And continuing to argue obviously inaccurate average football attendance. (Watch a Rice game, 22k fans aren't there)

This is you in a nutshell, Joe. Every time. Nonsensical spin mixed with inaccuracies.

If you define the metrics for a major market we can have that discussion. As for the attendance issues in the east, I don't know what to tell you. These are the numbers from the NCAA. But whatever.

Thered nothing to define. Market sizes are already defined. There's nothing to argue. Google it.

As for attendance. Using tickets sold is just intellectually dishonest. Turn on a TV and use your eyes.

(05-15-2020 05:41 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 04:25 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  The only actual news in this opinion article is this....

"Conference USA is discussing setting up more pod play to reduce travel expenses in sports like baseball, softball and basketball. Also, the Sun Herald has learned that the league is weighing the possibility of cutting down on league games so football programs can schedule more non-conference contests closer to home."

The rest of the article is just this hacks opinion of what he wants. There will be no mutual realignment. The hack has no league source speaking about any impending realignment. It is just his personal agenda. Fake news.

Read more here: https://www.sunherald.com/sports/college...rylink=cpy

I assume cutting down on league games would mean dropping cross divisional play. I've said before but this season a move like that would save FIU a trip to UTEP and save UTEP a trip to Charlotte. Two of the longest trips in conference this year. Finding more regional opponents should not be difficult if other conferences want to save money this year as well.

If we can cut down to only one cross division game that would be awesome. Same goes for basketball.

Start operating as two separate conferences until tournaments/championship games.

(05-15-2020 06:06 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 05:41 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 04:25 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  The only actual news in this opinion article is this....

"Conference USA is discussing setting up more pod play to reduce travel expenses in sports like baseball, softball and basketball. Also, the Sun Herald has learned that the league is weighing the possibility of cutting down on league games so football programs can schedule more non-conference contests closer to home."

The rest of the article is just this hacks opinion of what he wants. There will be no mutual realignment. The hack has no league source speaking about any impending realignment. It is just his personal agenda. Fake news.

Read more here: https://www.sunherald.com/sports/college...rylink=cpy

I assume cutting down on league games would mean dropping cross divisional play. I've said before but this season a move like that would save FIU a trip to UTEP and save UTEP a trip to Charlotte. Two of the longest trips in conference this year. Finding more regional opponents should not be difficult if other conferences want to save money this year as well.

I understand that under the current circumstances, the conference could eliminate cross-divisional football games for this season, and I'm okay with that. But as things improve, we need to get back to playing the usual conference schedules. Would that be in 2021 or 22? I don't know. But, if no cross divisional games becomes the new norm, just so that some programs can travel to more body-bag (budget balancing) games every season, than C-USA will become even more of a joke.

No thanks. I'd much rather schedule another OOC game as opposed to playing anyone from Texas in conference.

(05-15-2020 09:01 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 07:54 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 07:36 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 07:21 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 07:08 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  That guy is a hack. His article is an op-ed, not a work of actual journalism. And, I'd love to see your evidence for "the small markets caring more". That's just your opinion.

Do you not understand the difference in an Opinion piece and a news article? Newspapers have both.

My evidence would be attendance and the amount of articles like this churned out from local papers.

And him being a hack is also just your opinion.

* I absolutely understand the difference, and he did not present this as an op-ed. That's why it is fake-click-bait-news, and he is an agenda promoting hack.



* When it comes to attendance, I see a bigger difference based on divisions more than market size....

2019 C-USA Attendance Averages (Major Markets in Bold)

WEST
Southern Miss- 24,765
UAB- 24,726
Rice- 22,212
North Texas- 21,358
LA Tech- 20,439
UTSA- 19904
UTEP- 17,093

EAST
Marshall- 23,190
ODU- 18,234
FAU- 17,607
WKU- 15,191
MTSU- 14,253
FIU- 13,874
Charlotte- 12,319



* I don't follow the beat writers from around C-USA, but I know our guy in Denton puts out North Texas/C-USA articles almost daily. I don't know if he writes the most, but he certainly writes as many as any other in this conference, even those from the smaller markets.

You include El Paso as a major market but it's market size is 93rd vs. Charleston-Huntington market size that's 70th. So that makes no sense. Also Murfreesboro falls into the Nashville market. So they would fall info a major market. Again, wrong.
Also Birmingham is 45th. You consider that major? I mean, it's not tiny but it's not Houston.

And anyone who's turned on the TV knows there's nowhere close to that many fans in the stands for some of those schools. Those are reported tickets sold.

Also men's basketball attendance should be in the argument as well. Not just football.

Lol. Do you really want to continue this with me?

Until we define what constitutes a major market, it is a useless topic to debate. Personally, I think the bigger issue is the disproportionate number of programs in the east that can't average 20k, and that has nothing to do with market size.


2019 C-USA Attendance Averages (Below 20k in bold)

WEST
Southern Miss- 24,765
UAB- 24,726
Rice- 22,212
North Texas- 21,358
LA Tech- 20,439
UTSA- 19904
UTEP- 17,093

EAST
Marshall- 23,190
ODU- 18,234
FAU- 17,607
WKU- 15,191
MTSU- 14,253
FIU- 13,874
Charlotte- 12,319

Care to compare basketball attendance?

(05-15-2020 07:36 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 07:21 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 07:08 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 06:23 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  I'd like to add Patrick is one of the best people covering C-USA. He regularly puts out material on Southern Miss and C-USA when far too many in other C- USA markets don't care enough to write about us. Another flaw in the "add big markets idea". I think some of the smallest markets in the league care the most.

That guy is a hack. His article is an op-ed, not a work of actual journalism. And, I'd love to see your evidence for "the small markets caring more". That's just your opinion.

Do you not understand the difference in an Opinion piece and a news article? Newspapers have both.

My evidence would be attendance and the amount of articles like this churned out from local papers.

And him being a hack is also just your opinion.

* I absolutely understand the difference, and he did not present this as an op-ed. That's why it is fake-click-bait-news, and he is an agenda promoting hack.



* When it comes to attendance, I see a bigger difference based on divisions more than market size....

2019 C-USA Attendance Averages (Major Markets in Bold)

WEST
Southern Miss- 24,765
UAB- 24,726
Rice- 22,212
North Texas- 21,358
LA Tech- 20,439
UTSA- 19904
UTEP- 17,093

EAST
Marshall- 23,190
ODU- 18,234
FAU- 17,607
WKU- 15,191
MTSU- 14,253
FIU- 13,874
Charlotte- 12,319



* I don't follow the beat writers from around C-USA, but I know our guy in Denton puts out North Texas/C-USA articles almost daily. I don't know if he writes the most, but he certainly writes as many as any other in this conference, even those from the smaller markets.

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Both of you are still dealing with FAKE NEWS....made up numbers that are up to 60+ % off. Numbers pulled out of thin air. Worse than CNN

From now on why dont we stop saying attendance and just say the number someone puts in a box score. Make believe or not.

(05-15-2020 11:38 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 07:36 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 07:21 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 07:08 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 06:23 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  I'd like to add Patrick is one of the best people covering C-USA. He regularly puts out material on Southern Miss and C-USA when far too many in other C- USA markets don't care enough to write about us. Another flaw in the "add big markets idea". I think some of the smallest markets in the league care the most.

That guy is a hack. His article is an op-ed, not a work of actual journalism. And, I'd love to see your evidence for "the small markets caring more". That's just your opinion.

Do you not understand the difference in an Opinion piece and a news article? Newspapers have both.

My evidence would be attendance and the amount of articles like this churned out from local papers.

And him being a hack is also just your opinion.

* I absolutely understand the difference, and he did not present this as an op-ed. That's why it is fake-click-bait-news, and he is an agenda promoting hack.



* When it comes to attendance, I see a bigger difference based on divisions more than market size....

2019 C-USA Attendance Averages (Major Markets in Bold)

WEST
Southern Miss- 24,765
UAB- 24,726
Rice- 22,212
North Texas- 21,358
LA Tech- 20,439
UTSA- 19904
UTEP- 17,093

EAST
Marshall- 23,190
ODU- 18,234
FAU- 17,607
WKU- 15,191
MTSU- 14,253
FIU- 13,874
Charlotte- 12,319



* I don't follow the beat writers from around C-USA, but I know our guy in Denton puts out North Texas/C-USA articles almost daily. I don't know if he writes the most, but he certainly writes as many as any other in this conference, even those from the smaller markets.

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Both of you are still dealing with FAKE NEWS....made up numbers that are up to 60+ % off. Numbers pulled out of thin air. Worse than CNN

From now on why dont we stop saying attendance and just say the number someone puts in a box score. Make believe or not.

Don't lump me in with Joe. I was literally telling him his numbers weren't accurate. Twice.

(05-15-2020 08:39 PM)StillGotIt Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 08:09 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 06:13 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 06:04 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt would trade appy for uab. Academics need to be considered here.

Sorry but clt must accept regionalization like the rest of us, painful as it may be.

Regionalization is the factor USM wants at this time and our best arrangement would be with ULL, South Alabama, Troy, UAB, ULM, La Tech, McNeese, and Lamar. That is a 9 school lineup, bus trips to all, and leaves us FOUR non conference football games that can be scheduled to help pay the bills. Don't be shocked at the inclusion of Lamar and McNeese, their potential is equal to or superior to most. All the other schools can form leagues on either side of this mid south group.

That is a brutal baseball league


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Might also be one of the top FCS conferences.

Over the past 5 years

ULL 1 winning season
ULM 0
USA 0
Troy 3
McNeese, FCS
Lamar, FCS

No wonder S. Miss wants to play in a conference like that. They might, actually be able to compete for a championship. But only if Tech loses 2 games and that's probably a long shot.

As for basketball A 16 seed goes to the winner which 9 out of 10 years will come from these 3 schools...

Tech, ULL, UAB

(05-15-2020 08:22 PM)Cajuns1252 Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 08:09 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 06:13 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 06:04 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt would trade appy for uab. Academics need to be considered here.

Sorry but clt must accept regionalization like the rest of us, painful as it may be.

Regionalization is the factor USM wants at this time and our best arrangement would be with ULL, South Alabama, Troy, UAB, ULM, La Tech, McNeese, and Lamar. That is a 9 school lineup, bus trips to all, and leaves us FOUR non conference football games that can be scheduled to help pay the bills. Don't be shocked at the inclusion of Lamar and McNeese, their potential is equal to or superior to most. All the other schools can form leagues on either side of this mid south group.

UL will never be in the same conference as Lamar and McNeese again sorry main, both are our formal rivals and we have left them in the past sub out Rice and someone else and that a maybe

If the Cajuns aren't interested then Ark State wouldn't be out of bounds. Rice widens the spread (Houston-Birmingham) too far.

(05-15-2020 10:00 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 09:48 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 09:32 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 09:01 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 07:54 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  You include El Paso as a major market but it's market size is 93rd vs. Charleston-Huntington market size that's 70th. So that makes no sense. Also Murfreesboro falls into the Nashville market. So they would fall info a major market. Again, wrong.
Also Birmingham is 45th. You consider that major? I mean, it's not tiny but it's not Houston.

And anyone who's turned on the TV knows there's nowhere close to that many fans in the stands for some of those schools. Those are reported tickets sold.

Also men's basketball attendance should be in the argument as well. Not just football.

Lol. Do you really want to continue this with me?

Until we define what constitutes a major market, it is a useless topic to debate. Personally, I think the bigger issue is the disproportionate number of programs in the east that can't average 20k, and that has nothing to do with market size.


2019 C-USA Attendance Averages (Below 20k in bold)

WEST
Southern Miss- 24,765
UAB- 24,726
Rice- 22,212
North Texas- 21,358
LA Tech- 20,439
UTSA- 19904
UTEP- 17,093

EAST
Marshall- 23,190
ODU- 18,234
FAU- 17,607
WKU- 15,191
MTSU- 14,253
FIU- 13,874
Charlotte- 12,319

So you twist my major markets plan didn't work argument into an East vs West argument all while confusing the size of the markets you're trying to argue. And continuing to argue obviously inaccurate average football attendance. (Watch a Rice game, 22k fans aren't there)

This is you in a nutshell, Joe. Every time. Nonsensical spin mixed with inaccuracies.

If you define the metrics for a major market we can have that discussion. As for the attendance issues in the east, I don't know what to tell you. These are the numbers from the NCAA. But whatever.

Thered nothing to define. Market sizes are already defined. There's nothing to argue. Google it.

As for attendance. Using tickets sold is just intellectually dishonest. Turn on a TV and use your eyes.

So, using the only common reported attendance stat provided by the NCAA is dishonest? Okay, provide me with a better attendance stat.

clt says major markets are the top 25. Anything else is a mid major market.

I just hope that whenever the SBC/CUSA eventually merge we can somehow find a way to make the NOLA bowl the conference winner vs. a P5 team.