At first glance without reading much into it, love this idea primarily for rivalries it can create...specifically App St/Charlotte becoming an every year thing in football.

I think the deafening silence on this subject from both the sun belt and CUSA says something is in the pot right now. I agree with the idea that this is now inevitable, it's just a matter of who goes where.

I have been completely shocked at the silence from both our leagues, as the belt has some of the worst budgets in FBS, and we have the worst revenue to geography ratio of FBS.

(05-15-2020 05:44 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 05:38 PM)Cajuns1252 Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 05:28 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 04:51 PM)Cajuns1252 Wrote:  Personally if this is gonna happy I think we should go to three conferences and not two

South West Conference:

NMSU
UTEP
UTSA
TXST
UNT
ULM (they’ll never be in the same conference as LaTech
Arkansas State
Missouri State
UTA* No football
UALR* no football

Gulf central:

LaTech
Louisiana
Rice
USM
USA
Troy
UAB
MTSU or FAU
WKU or FIU

Atlantic East:

WKU or FAU
MTSU or FIU
Georgia state
Georgia southern
Coastal
UNCC
App state
ODU
Liberty
Marshall

As the writer suggested, take rhe 24 teams and create 3 eight team conferences. Add indy NMSU to the western most league.

UTEP, NMSU, ULM, UTSA, UNT, Rice, Ark St, ULL, Texas St

LTU, USM, UAB, Troy, South Alabama, Georgia St, FIU, FAU

Coastal Carolina, Charlotte, App St, WKU, MTSU, Marshall, ODU, Georgia Southern

This allows LT and ULM to avoid each other but forces UTEP and NMSU to be in the same conference. They play most sports vs each other anyway. This also keeps App St and Georgia Southern together and the Florida pair as well. Also no fcs move ups needed.

It can't be 3 conferencs though since one would be without an autobid.

I don’t hate this conference my only thing is UTEP not UNT have baseball and it’s not secret that Louisiana, Rice, USM and USA major sport to each university is baseball that’s why I had them grouped together.

Affiliates might be the answer for issues like that.

It does not good but this would be a cool concept “I-10” conference:

NMST
UTEP
TXST
UTSA
Rice
Louisiana
USM
USA
New Orleans (no football)
Lamar (no football)

Personally I would still prefer the “Gulf Central” I created before

clt would trade appy for uab. Academics need to be considered here.

(05-15-2020 05:41 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 04:25 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  The only actual news in this opinion article is this....

"Conference USA is discussing setting up more pod play to reduce travel expenses in sports like baseball, softball and basketball. Also, the Sun Herald has learned that the league is weighing the possibility of cutting down on league games so football programs can schedule more non-conference contests closer to home."

The rest of the article is just this hacks opinion of what he wants. There will be no mutual realignment. The hack has no league source speaking about any impending realignment. It is just his personal agenda. Fake news.

Read more here: https://www.sunherald.com/sports/college...rylink=cpy

I assume cutting down on league games would mean dropping cross divisional play. I've said before but this season a move like that would save FIU a trip to UTEP and save UTEP a trip to Charlotte. Two of the longest trips in conference this year. Finding more regional opponents should not be difficult if other conferences want to save money this year as well.

I understand that under the current circumstances, the conference could eliminate cross-divisional football games for this season, and I'm okay with that. But as things improve, we need to get back to playing the usual conference schedules. Would that be in 2021 or 22? I don't know. But, if no cross divisional games becomes the new norm, just so that some programs can travel to more body-bag (budget balancing) games every season, than C-USA will become even more of a joke.

(05-15-2020 05:52 PM)ImfromClayton Wrote:  I think the deafening silence on this subject from both the sun belt and CUSA says something is in the pot right now. I agree with the idea that this is now inevitable, it's just a matter of who goes where.

I have been completely shocked at the silence from both our leagues, as the belt has some of the worst budgets in FBS, and we have the worst revenue to geography ratio of FBS.

there has not been any silence on the issue. every interview a local media has ask an AD/coach about it. The answer has been no talk of realignment. im not sure why you feel the Sun Belt budgets play a role on this issue, raw budget number mean nothing. how well you balanced whatever budget you have is the telling story for each university. and every university is facing major hurdles financially. look no further than the MAC.

If something was in the pot, the "who goes where" would surly be a major hold up.

(05-15-2020 06:04 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt would trade appy for uab. Academics need to be considered here.

Sorry but clt must accept regionalization like the rest of us, painful as it may be.

(05-15-2020 06:13 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 06:04 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  clt would trade appy for uab. Academics need to be considered here.

Sorry but clt must accept regionalization like the rest of us, painful as it may be.

clt says it is easier to get to Birmingham England than Boone nc

(05-15-2020 06:06 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 05:41 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 04:25 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  The only actual news in this opinion article is this....

"Conference USA is discussing setting up more pod play to reduce travel expenses in sports like baseball, softball and basketball. Also, the Sun Herald has learned that the league is weighing the possibility of cutting down on league games so football programs can schedule more non-conference contests closer to home."

The rest of the article is just this hacks opinion of what he wants. There will be no mutual realignment. The hack has no league source speaking about any impending realignment. It is just his personal agenda. Fake news.

Read more here: https://www.sunherald.com/sports/college...rylink=cpy

I assume cutting down on league games would mean dropping cross divisional play. I've said before but this season a move like that would save FIU a trip to UTEP and save UTEP a trip to Charlotte. Two of the longest trips in conference this year. Finding more regional opponents should not be difficult if other conferences want to save money this year as well.

I understand that under the current circumstances, the conference could eliminate cross-divisional football games for this season, and I'm okay with that. But as things improve, we need to get back to playing the usual conference schedules. Would that be in 2021 or 22? I don't know. But, if no cross divisional games becomes the new norm, just so that some programs can travel to more body-bag (budget balancing) games every season, than C-USA will become even more of a joke.

In UTEP's case this season i was thinking of regional opponents like UNM and Texas St.

I'd like to add Patrick is one of the best people covering C-USA. He regularly puts out material on Southern Miss and C-USA when far too many in other C- USA markets don't care enough to write about us. Another flaw in the "add big markets idea". I think some of the smallest markets in the league care the most.

(05-15-2020 05:52 PM)ImfromClayton Wrote:  I think the deafening silence on this subject from both the sun belt and CUSA says something is in the pot right now. I agree with the idea that this is now inevitable, it's just a matter of who goes where.

I have been completely shocked at the silence from both our leagues, as the belt has some of the worst budgets in FBS, and we have the worst revenue to geography ratio of FBS.

True

I would love to see more regional conferences. If we are honest with ourselves no one watches games on ESPN+ except the fans we have. Many of us at Charlotte would travel to App St, Coastal, etc.. I think it would bring more butts in the seats, which brings more excitement and local exposure. I would go to more games because if I can watch them on TV for less money why drive 3 hours to a game, fight traffic, and weather. TV didn't bring the fans to the game it brought the game to the fans. You don't grow your base by showing a game on a box with 200 other options. You grow it by putting students and kids in the stands.

(05-15-2020 06:23 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  I'd like to add Patrick is one of the best people covering C-USA. He regularly puts out material on Southern Miss and C-USA when far too many in other C- USA markets don't care enough to write about us. Another flaw in the "add big markets idea". I think some of the smallest markets in the league care the most.

That guy is a hack. His article is an op-ed, not a work of actual journalism. And, I'd love to see your evidence for "the small markets caring more". That's just your opinion.

(05-15-2020 07:08 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 06:23 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  I'd like to add Patrick is one of the best people covering C-USA. He regularly puts out material on Southern Miss and C-USA when far too many in other C- USA markets don't care enough to write about us. Another flaw in the "add big markets idea". I think some of the smallest markets in the league care the most.

That guy is a hack. His article is an op-ed, not a work of actual journalism. And, I'd love to see your evidence for "the small markets caring more". That's just your opinion.

As are your comments this and many others you make

This will probably happen within the next 5-7 years but I also look for the AAC to be blown up by then. There will be 4-6 schools from there looking for a home.

These are the 28-30 schools I see reorganizing somehow some way.

UAB
FAU
FIU
LA Tech
Marshall
MTSU
Charlotte
UNT
ODU
Rice
USM
UTSA
UTEP
WKU
Appy State
Arkansas State
Coastal Carolina
GA Southern
GA State
ULL
ULM
South Alabama
Texas State
Troy
ECU
Temple
Tulane
Tulsa
SMU (if not snapped up)
USF (if not snapped up)

These are the "All Sports" programs with Little Rock, UT Arlington and Wichita State left off. If or should I say when this does happen it will be fun, crazy, wild, (add adjective here) to see who aligns with each other.

As far as Little Rock and UT Arlington goes, I could see Little Rock going to the Summit League and UT Arlington maybe the Southland. Wichita State I could see a conference try and pull them but I would see them trying to get into the Big East or even A10, if not they could tuck their tales and go back to the MVC.

(05-15-2020 07:14 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  This will probably happen within the next 5-7 years but I also look for the AAC to be blown up by then. There will be 4-6 schools from there looking for a home.

These are the 28-30 schools I see reorganizing somehow some way.

UAB
FAU
FIU
LA Tech
Marshall
MTSU
Charlotte
UNT
ODU
Rice
USM
UTSA
UTEP
WKU
Appy State
Arkansas State
Coastal Carolina
GA Southern
GA State
ULL
ULM
South Alabama
Texas State
Troy
ECU
Temple
Tulane
Tulsa
SMU (if not snapped up)
USF (if not snapped up)

These are the "All Sports" programs with Little Rock, UT Arlington and Wichita State left off. If or should I say when this does happen it will be fun, crazy, wild, (add adjective here) to see who aligns with each other.

As far as Little Rock and UT Arlington goes, I could see Little Rock going to the Summit League and UT Arlington maybe the Southland. Wichita State I could see a conference try and pull them but I would see them trying to get into the Big East or even A10, if not they could tuck their tales and go back to the MVC.

What makes you think the AAC will blow up?

(05-15-2020 07:08 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 06:23 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  I'd like to add Patrick is one of the best people covering C-USA. He regularly puts out material on Southern Miss and C-USA when far too many in other C- USA markets don't care enough to write about us. Another flaw in the "add big markets idea". I think some of the smallest markets in the league care the most.

That guy is a hack. His article is an op-ed, not a work of actual journalism. And, I'd love to see your evidence for "the small markets caring more". That's just your opinion.

Do you not understand the difference in an Opinion piece and a news article? Newspapers have both.

My evidence would be attendance and the amount of articles like this churned out from local papers.

And him being a hack is also just your opinion. But only because you disagree.

(05-15-2020 07:21 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 07:08 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 06:23 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  I'd like to add Patrick is one of the best people covering C-USA. He regularly puts out material on Southern Miss and C-USA when far too many in other C- USA markets don't care enough to write about us. Another flaw in the "add big markets idea". I think some of the smallest markets in the league care the most.

That guy is a hack. His article is an op-ed, not a work of actual journalism. And, I'd love to see your evidence for "the small markets caring more". That's just your opinion.

Do you not understand the difference in an Opinion piece and a news article? Newspapers have both.

My evidence would be attendance and the amount of articles like this churned out from local papers.

And him being a hack is also just your opinion.

* I absolutely understand the difference, and he did not present this as an op-ed. That's why it is fake-click-bait-news, and he is an agenda promoting hack.



* When it comes to attendance, I see a bigger difference based on divisions more than market size....

2019 C-USA Attendance Averages (Major Markets in Bold)

WEST
Southern Miss- 24,765
UAB- 24,726
Rice- 22,212
North Texas- 21,358
LA Tech- 20,439
UTSA- 19904
UTEP- 17,093

EAST
Marshall- 23,190
ODU- 18,234
FAU- 17,607
WKU- 15,191
MTSU- 14,253
FIU- 13,874
Charlotte- 12,319



* I don't follow the beat writers from around C-USA, but I know our guy in Denton puts out North Texas/C-USA articles almost daily. I don't know if he writes the most, but he certainly writes as many as any other in this conference, even those from the smaller markets.

(05-15-2020 07:36 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 07:21 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 07:08 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-15-2020 06:23 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  I'd like to add Patrick is one of the best people covering C-USA. He regularly puts out material on Southern Miss and C-USA when far too many in other C- USA markets don't care enough to write about us. Another flaw in the "add big markets idea". I think some of the smallest markets in the league care the most.

That guy is a hack. His article is an op-ed, not a work of actual journalism. And, I'd love to see your evidence for "the small markets caring more". That's just your opinion.

Do you not understand the difference in an Opinion piece and a news article? Newspapers have both.

My evidence would be attendance and the amount of articles like this churned out from local papers.

And him being a hack is also just your opinion.

* I absolutely understand the difference, and he did not present this as an op-ed. That's why it is fake-click-bait-news, and he is an agenda promoting hack.



* When it comes to attendance, I see a bigger difference based on divisions more than market size....

2019 C-USA Attendance Averages (Major Markets in Bold)

WEST
Southern Miss- 24,765
UAB- 24,726
Rice- 22,212
North Texas- 21,358
LA Tech- 20,439
UTSA- 19904
UTEP- 17,093

EAST
Marshall- 23,190
ODU- 18,234
FAU- 17,607
WKU- 15,191
MTSU- 14,253
FIU- 13,874
Charlotte- 12,319



* I don't follow the beat writers from around C-USA, but I know our guy in Denton puts out North Texas/C-USA articles almost daily. I don't know if he writes the most, but he certainly writes as many as any other in this conference, even those from the smaller markets.

It was obviously presented as an Op-Ed. When "Have To" is in the headline then the writer gives an argument. That's an Op-Ed, friend.

You include El Paso as a major market but it's market size is 93rd vs. Charleston-Huntington market size that's 70th. So that makes no sense. Also Murfreesboro falls into the Nashville market. So they would fall info a major market. Again, wrong.
Also Birmingham is 45th. You consider that major? I mean, it's not tiny but it's not Houston.

And anyone who's turned on the TV knows there's nowhere close to that many fans in the stands for some of those schools. Those are reported tickets sold.

Also men's basketball attendance should be in the argument as well. Not just football.

Lol. Do you really want to continue this with me?

(05-15-2020 07:14 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  This will probably happen within the next 5-7 years but I also look for the AAC to be blown up by then. There will be 4-6 schools from there looking for a home.

These are the 28-30 schools I see reorganizing somehow some way.

UAB
FAU
FIU
LA Tech
Marshall
MTSU
Charlotte
UNT
ODU
Rice
USM
UTSA
UTEP
WKU
Appy State
Arkansas State
Coastal Carolina
GA Southern
GA State
ULL
ULM
South Alabama
Texas State
Troy
ECU
Temple
Tulane
Tulsa
SMU (if not snapped up)
USF (if not snapped up)

These are the "All Sports" programs with Little Rock, UT Arlington and Wichita State left off. If or should I say when this does happen it will be fun, crazy, wild, (add adjective here) to see who aligns with each other.

As far as Little Rock and UT Arlington goes, I could see Little Rock going to the Summit League and UT Arlington maybe the Southland. Wichita State I could see a conference try and pull them but I would see them trying to get into the Big East or even A10, if not they could tuck their tales and go back to the MVC.

Post: #115RE: G5 Conference Descramble
(05-05-2020 12:38 PM)Cajuns1252 Wrote:
(04-15-2020 08:37 AM)Dawgxas Wrote:
Since all the G5 conference have petitioned the NCAA for relief, and Cincinnati has already cut Volleyball, why not realign all the G5 conferences.





I’ll give my never gonna happen Sunbelt, American, C-USA realignment scenario. This is for all sports the matching the matching numbers will be your one cross conference team you will play every year in football.

West East
1 La Tech 1 Southern Miss
2 Arkansas State 2 Memphis
3Rice. 3 Louisiana
4Houston. 4 Tulane
5 Tulsa. 5 Troy
6 SMU. 6 UAB
7UNT. 7 South Alabama

For all other sports travel partners would match up as so

LaTech-UNT
Rice-Houston
Louisiana-Tulane
USM-USA
Troy-UAB
Arkansas State-Memphis
Tulsa-SMU

(UNT and SMU could be travel partners but it puts Tulsa and Tech as travels partners which isn’t fit)