(05-19-2020 01:12 PM)33laszlo99 Wrote:  

(05-18-2020 12:47 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  The one thing everyone here is forgetting is that even if the P5+others broke away from the NCAA the new structure set up would essentially be almost exactly like the NCAA. The member schools especially the P5 schools create the rules of the NCAA and any new organization would be a mirror image of what we have right now. Yes, they can keep more of the money from the baketball tourny but is a few more million really worth all the headaches? Also now you are cutting off your school from scheduling smaller local schools for sports like soccer, XC, volleyball etc as well as early season buy games for basketball. Now you can only play those select 100ish schools.

It would be just easier for them to throw their weight around and get a larger cut than to break away.

The most important difference between the NCAA and the new organization, call it the NEWCAA, will be that the NEWCAA will have the designation "Inc" attached to its name. It will be a corporation owned by the member institutions. The regulation/oversight currently provided by the NCAA will occupy only a small place in the NEWCAA. The greater purpose of the NEWCAA will be to earn carloads of cash through whatever lines of business they can dream up. Their new exclusive basketball tournament is the first one that comes to mind. Use your imagination. Opportnities abound.

The current NCAA provides regulation and oversight? To whom? Josh Pastner directly and personally?

(05-18-2020 01:08 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(05-18-2020 12:47 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  The one thing everyone here is forgetting is that even if the P5+others broke away from the NCAA the new structure set up would essentially be almost exactly like the NCAA. The member schools especially the P5 schools create the rules of the NCAA and any new organization would be a mirror image of what we have right now. Yes, they can keep more of the money from the baketball tourny but is a few more million really worth all the headaches? Also now you are cutting off your school from scheduling smaller local schools for sports like soccer, XC, volleyball etc as well as early season buy games for basketball. Now you can only play those select 100ish schools.

It would be just easier for them to throw their weight around and get a larger cut than to break away.

I'd rather recreate the NCAA out of thin air and attempt to make rule enforcement even, logical, and fair than persist with the broken and utterly corrupt "rules" and "enforcement" the NCAA peddles right now.

As I said in a comment above, if you leave the NCAA, there's no reason to Xerox the NCAA structure.

A new organization could regulate only football and basketball (for the same reason bank robbers rob banks -- because that's where the money is), while turning over the administration of all other college sports to the national organization for each sport. US Soccer administers college soccer, makes the rules and runs the national championship tournament, USA Gymnastics does the same for gymnastics, the USGA does it for golf, etc., etc. (That also answers the question about competing against teams from "non member" schools in sports other than football and basketball. Those teams can compete in those sports under the umbrella of the national organization for the sport, just as the teams from "member" schools do.)

(05-19-2020 02:09 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(05-18-2020 01:08 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(05-18-2020 12:47 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  The one thing everyone here is forgetting is that even if the P5+others broke away from the NCAA the new structure set up would essentially be almost exactly like the NCAA. The member schools especially the P5 schools create the rules of the NCAA and any new organization would be a mirror image of what we have right now. Yes, they can keep more of the money from the baketball tourny but is a few more million really worth all the headaches? Also now you are cutting off your school from scheduling smaller local schools for sports like soccer, XC, volleyball etc as well as early season buy games for basketball. Now you can only play those select 100ish schools.

It would be just easier for them to throw their weight around and get a larger cut than to break away.

I'd rather recreate the NCAA out of thin air and attempt to make rule enforcement even, logical, and fair than persist with the broken and utterly corrupt "rules" and "enforcement" the NCAA peddles right now.

As I said in a comment above, if you leave the NCAA, there's no reason to Xerox the NCAA structure.

A new organization could regulate only football and basketball (for the same reason bank robbers rob banks -- because that's where the money is), while turning over the administration of all other college sports to the national organization for each sport. US Soccer administers college soccer, makes the rules and runs the national championship tournament, USA Gymnastics does the same for gymnastics, the USGA does it for golf, etc., etc. (That also answers the question about competing against teams from "non member" schools in sports other than football and basketball. Those teams can compete in those sports under the umbrella of the national organization for the sport, just as the teams from "member" schools do.)

The schools don't want 20 different sets of rules to follow. There's a lot of the NCAA that doesn't need replication. Just focus on the essentials.

It sounds like a G-League for the NFL

What I think be a better way to do this whole P5/G5/FCS is to have the P5 split and make a one time entry only deal for anyone with a 40,000 seat stadium.

Some of the G5 are already there. The AAC except a few schools and the MWC is fairly close at a lot of places. Those who aren't could make a decision on whether to upgrade or not.

For the Troy/App St type programs they could chew off 40k and if their conference doesn't have enough schools to retain FBS consolidate into CUSA or find an non-FB conference to park their sports.

That sounds fair to me 40,000 if you don't then have it then you go FCS. If you don't then its justified to alumni why you're competing in FCS.

Having programs like Charlotte with its 16k seater or Coastal with 20k in FBS while Montana with 25k or Delaware with 20k it seems like a very blurred line.