(05-09-2020 04:59 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 04:37 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 04:35 PM)solohawks Wrote:  The defense is going to need to prove a felony was committed...

No. That’s not how that works. That’s not how that works at all.

The DEFENSE doesn’t need to prove anything. That’s the prosecution’s job sweetheart.



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The prosecution has video proof of a man being shot to death. Now it is the job of the defense to prove the actions that lead to the situation were justified. Tall order.

The defense has video of a man that turned towards, attacked, punched and tried to wrestle a man’s gun away. Now it is the job of the prosecutor to prove it wasn’t self defense.

Not a tall order for the defense anymore. Especially given the latest video available to show context.


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(05-09-2020 04:54 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 04:11 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  The plot thickens...


https://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/gbi-...r80R7CTnL/

How many of my fellow joggers out there take quick detours into houses or houses under construction while “jogging”?

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Honestly, I do it a lot when I go for walks with my dog. I wouldn't say I go IN, but I've definitely poked my head in before to look around. I see others do it a lot too. Depends on the build stage. If this is pre-door installation, it seems innocent enough. If someone is opening doors to go in, it is more questionable.

I've done it. I was thinking about buying a house. One time driving around we stopped and someone called the police on me and my friends and they pulled up and questioned us after we got back in the car. It was cold and I huddled up but when the police said keep you hands where I can see him I didn't complain. I followed instructions. So white people get stopped for that.

But I never do that sort of thing when running.

(05-09-2020 05:04 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 04:59 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 04:37 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 04:35 PM)solohawks Wrote:  The defense is going to need to prove a felony was committed...

No. That’s not how that works. That’s not how that works at all.

The DEFENSE doesn’t need to prove anything. That’s the prosecution’s job sweetheart.



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The prosecution has video proof of a man being shot to death. Now it is the job of the defense to prove the actions that lead to the situation were justified. Tall order.

The defense has video of a man that turned towards, attacked, punched and tried to wrestle a man’s gun away. Now it is the job of the prosecutor to prove it wasn’t self defense.

Not a tall order.


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They confronted him. He didn't seek them out. He's not on their property putting them in danger. You don't get to start a confrontation with someone and then claim self defense when that person fights back.

(05-09-2020 04:59 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 04:37 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 04:35 PM)solohawks Wrote:  The defense is going to need to prove a felony was committed...

No. That’s not how that works. That’s not how that works at all.

The DEFENSE doesn’t need to prove anything. That’s the prosecution’s job sweetheart.



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The prosecution has video proof of a man being shot to death. Now it is the job of the defense to prove the actions that lead to the situation were justified. Tall order.

Just the opposite. The prosecution has to prove beyond a reasonable that it was murder....2 guys. All they need 1 not guilty on the jury.

(05-09-2020 05:05 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 04:54 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 04:11 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  The plot thickens...


https://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/gbi-...r80R7CTnL/

How many of my fellow joggers out there take quick detours into houses or houses under construction while “jogging”?

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Honestly, I do it a lot when I go for walks with my dog. I wouldn't say I go IN, but I've definitely poked my head in before to look around. I see others do it a lot too. Depends on the build stage. If this is pre-door installation, it seems innocent enough. If someone is opening doors to go in, it is more questionable.

I've done it. I was thinking about buying a house. One time driving around we stopped and someone called the police on me and my friends and they pulled up and questioned us after we got back in the car. It was cold and I huddled up but when the police said keep you hands where I can see him I didn't complain. I followed instructions. So white people get stopped for that.

But I never do that sort of thing when running.

I’m assuming that you weren’t carrying a hammer at the time.

I’m also assuming if you’re an avid or daily runner, that you don’t do so in cargo shorts.


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(05-09-2020 05:07 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 05:05 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 04:54 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 04:11 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  The plot thickens...


https://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/gbi-...r80R7CTnL/

How many of my fellow joggers out there take quick detours into houses or houses under construction while “jogging”?

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Honestly, I do it a lot when I go for walks with my dog. I wouldn't say I go IN, but I've definitely poked my head in before to look around. I see others do it a lot too. Depends on the build stage. If this is pre-door installation, it seems innocent enough. If someone is opening doors to go in, it is more questionable.

I've done it. I was thinking about buying a house. One time driving around we stopped and someone called the police on me and my friends and they pulled up and questioned us after we got back in the car. It was cold and I huddled up but when the police said keep you hands where I can see him I didn't complain. I followed instructions. So white people get stopped for that.

But I never do that sort of thing when running.

I’m assuming that you weren’t carrying a hammer at the time.

I’m also assuming if you’re an avid or daily runner, that you don’t do so in cargo shorts.


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Cargo shorts are a crime unto themselves.

(05-09-2020 04:59 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 04:37 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 04:35 PM)solohawks Wrote:  The defense is going to need to prove a felony was committed...

No. That’s not how that works. That’s not how that works at all.

The DEFENSE doesn’t need to prove anything. That’s the prosecution’s job sweetheart.



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The prosecution has video proof of a man being shot to death. Now it is the job of the defense to prove the actions that lead to the situation were justified. Tall order.

You are getting closer but still not there

It's the prosecution's job to prove the charge beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury of peers.

Depends on how they charge them and to what degree.

If the glove dont fit....

(05-07-2020 08:41 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(05-06-2020 10:14 PM)Kronke Wrote:  The area was experiencing robberies, and he was caught looking into (scouting?) a house. He was "jogging" 12 miles from his house, so 24 miles (minimum) round trip. Was he training for a marathon? That's a hell of a jog.

Where did you get 12 miles from? His mom lived less than a mile away as the crow flies, and roughly 2.5 miles away if you stuck to roadways and didn't take any shortcuts. I'm not sure if he was living with his mom at the time or not, though.

Kronke, you need to clarify your statement. Where did you get 12 miles?

(05-09-2020 05:04 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 04:59 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 04:37 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 04:35 PM)solohawks Wrote:  The defense is going to need to prove a felony was committed...

No. That’s not how that works. That’s not how that works at all.

The DEFENSE doesn’t need to prove anything. That’s the prosecution’s job sweetheart.



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The prosecution has video proof of a man being shot to death. Now it is the job of the defense to prove the actions that lead to the situation were justified. Tall order.

The defense has video of a man that turned towards, attacked, punched and tried to wrestle a man’s gun away. Now it is the job of the prosecutor to prove it wasn’t self defense.

Not a tall order for the defense anymore. Especially given the latest video available to show context.


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But, does the victim not also have the right to defend himself in that situation? Was the shooter’s right to self defense unreasonable?

To be clear, I have no idea so I’m not picking a side. I’m just pointing out that there’s a lot to unpack give these particular facts.

(05-09-2020 05:10 PM)ArmyBlazer Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 05:04 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 04:59 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 04:37 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 04:35 PM)solohawks Wrote:  The defense is going to need to prove a felony was committed...

No. That’s not how that works. That’s not how that works at all.

The DEFENSE doesn’t need to prove anything. That’s the prosecution’s job sweetheart.



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The prosecution has video proof of a man being shot to death. Now it is the job of the defense to prove the actions that lead to the situation were justified. Tall order.

The defense has video of a man that turned towards, attacked, punched and tried to wrestle a man’s gun away. Now it is the job of the prosecutor to prove it wasn’t self defense.

Not a tall order for the defense anymore. Especially given the latest video available to show context.


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But, does the victim not also have the right to defend himself in that situation? Was the shooter’s right to self defense unreasonable?

To be clear, I have no idea so I’m not picking a side. I’m just pointing out that there’s a lot to unpack give these particular facts.

If I were a lawyer (which I’m obviously not) I’d venture to argue that once the runner ran away from the direction he was originally headed and changed course toward the man with a gun and assaulted him FIRST, that changes who is the attacker and who is the defender.

If I’m walking down the street past you, you yell whatever you want at me and I change course and come towards you and lay hands on you... you’re defending yourself at that moment, IMO.


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(05-09-2020 04:51 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 04:37 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 04:11 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  The plot thickens...


https://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/gbi-...r80R7CTnL/

How many of my fellow joggers out there take quick detours into houses or houses under construction while “jogging”?

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Here in NW st John's county? I do it all the time. I like looking at what they are doing. But, I'm white

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In cargo pants and boots carrying a hammer? Must be new thing.

Can you link the hammer and cargo pants?

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(05-09-2020 05:16 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 04:51 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 04:37 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 04:11 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  The plot thickens...


https://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/gbi-...r80R7CTnL/

How many of my fellow joggers out there take quick detours into houses or houses under construction while “jogging”?

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Here in NW st John's county? I do it all the time. I like looking at what they are doing. But, I'm white

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In cargo pants and boots carrying a hammer? Must be new thing.

Can you link the hammer and cargo pants?

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We doing actual facts now?

(05-09-2020 05:17 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 05:16 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 04:51 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 04:37 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 04:11 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  The plot thickens...


https://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/gbi-...r80R7CTnL/

How many of my fellow joggers out there take quick detours into houses or houses under construction while “jogging”?

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Here in NW st John's county? I do it all the time. I like looking at what they are doing. But, I'm white

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In cargo pants and boots carrying a hammer? Must be new thing.

Can you link the hammer and cargo pants?

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We doing actual facts now?

If you want

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(05-09-2020 04:58 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 04:54 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 04:11 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  The plot thickens...


https://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/gbi-...r80R7CTnL/

How many of my fellow joggers out there take quick detours into houses or houses under construction while “jogging”?

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Honestly, I do it a lot when I go for walks with my dog. I wouldn't say I go IN, but I've definitely poked my head in before to look around. I see others do it a lot too. Depends on the build stage. If this is pre-door installation, it seems innocent enough. If someone is opening doors to go in, it is more questionable.

I don't trespass on other peoples property because, you know, I dont wanna get shot. But that's me.

Snowflake

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(05-09-2020 04:11 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  The plot thickens...


https://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/gbi-...r80R7CTnL/

How many of my fellow joggers out there take quick detours into houses or houses under construction while “jogging”?

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That Ninja was out jogging lol.

(05-09-2020 05:15 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 05:10 PM)ArmyBlazer Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 05:04 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 04:59 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 04:37 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  No. That’s not how that works. That’s not how that works at all.

The DEFENSE doesn’t need to prove anything. That’s the prosecution’s job sweetheart.



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The prosecution has video proof of a man being shot to death. Now it is the job of the defense to prove the actions that lead to the situation were justified. Tall order.

The defense has video of a man that turned towards, attacked, punched and tried to wrestle a man’s gun away. Now it is the job of the prosecutor to prove it wasn’t self defense.

Not a tall order for the defense anymore. Especially given the latest video available to show context.


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But, does the victim not also have the right to defend himself in that situation? Was the shooter’s right to self defense unreasonable?

To be clear, I have no idea so I’m not picking a side. I’m just pointing out that there’s a lot to unpack give these particular facts.

If I were a lawyer (which I’m obviously not) I’d venture to argue that once the runner ran away from the direction he was originally headed and changed course toward the man with a gun and assaulted him FIRST, that changes who is the attacker and who is the defender.

If I’m walking down the street past you, you yell whatever you want at me and I change course and come towards you and lay hands on you... you’re defending yourself at that moment, IMO.


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That’s a tough argument. Besides, I’m sure you would agree that an unarmed man doesn’t lose the right to self defense just because they try to disarm someone that’s pulled a gun on them, correct? You generally can’t initiate a confrontation and then claim self defense if things go south on you. Obviously, there’s exceptions to that based on the facts. That’s why I asked whether or not the shooter’s right to self defense was unreasonable (voluntary manslaughter).

Either way, Trey Gowdy was right about this case. It shouldn’t have taken the video getting released to send it to a grand jury.

(05-09-2020 05:18 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 04:58 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 04:54 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 04:11 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  The plot thickens...


https://www.ajc.com/news/crime--law/gbi-...r80R7CTnL/

How many of my fellow joggers out there take quick detours into houses or houses under construction while “jogging”?

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Honestly, I do it a lot when I go for walks with my dog. I wouldn't say I go IN, but I've definitely poked my head in before to look around. I see others do it a lot too. Depends on the build stage. If this is pre-door installation, it seems innocent enough. If someone is opening doors to go in, it is more questionable.

I don't trespass on other peoples property because, you know, I dont wanna get shot. But that's me.

Snowflake

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I ain't as spry as I once was.

Here's your hammer

from the video. Supposedly dropped.

(05-09-2020 05:29 PM)ArmyBlazer Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 05:15 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 05:10 PM)ArmyBlazer Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 05:04 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(05-09-2020 04:59 PM)Niner National Wrote:  The prosecution has video proof of a man being shot to death. Now it is the job of the defense to prove the actions that lead to the situation were justified. Tall order.

The defense has video of a man that turned towards, attacked, punched and tried to wrestle a man’s gun away. Now it is the job of the prosecutor to prove it wasn’t self defense.

Not a tall order for the defense anymore. Especially given the latest video available to show context.


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But, does the victim not also have the right to defend himself in that situation? Was the shooter’s right to self defense unreasonable?

To be clear, I have no idea so I’m not picking a side. I’m just pointing out that there’s a lot to unpack give these particular facts.

If I were a lawyer (which I’m obviously not) I’d venture to argue that once the runner ran away from the direction he was originally headed and changed course toward the man with a gun and assaulted him FIRST, that changes who is the attacker and who is the defender.

If I’m walking down the street past you, you yell whatever you want at me and I change course and come towards you and lay hands on you... you’re defending yourself at that moment, IMO.


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That’s a tough argument. Besides, I’m sure you would agree that an unarmed man doesn’t lose the right to self defense just because they try to disarm someone that’s pulled a gun on them, correct? You generally can’t initiate a confrontation and then claim self defense if things go south on you. Obviously, there’s exceptions to that based on the facts. That’s why I asked whether or not the shooter’s right to self defense was unreasonable (voluntary manslaughter).

Either way, Trey Gowdy was right about this case. It shouldn’t have taken the video getting released to send it to a grand jury.

Yeah. That's crazy. should have been charged with something too. That is some suspicious frickery

Not while jogging, but there’s a building in Wake Forest that has been under construction off and on for like 3 years. I’ve stopped by it and walked out there to see what it was.

Also, where is this cargo shorts, hammer, and boots sh*t coming from? Those look like long bball shorts to me.

(05-09-2020 05:37 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Not while jogging, but there’s a building in Wake Forest that has been under construction off and on for like 3 years. I’ve stopped by it and walked out there to see what it was.

Also, where is this cargo shorts, hammer, and boots sh*t coming from? Those look like long bball shorts to me.

AJC said they were khakis. Hammer was laying in the road. Maybe they should have a trial or something